More (But Different) Ballpark Talk
Before someone says it, I agree--I can't wait for the first Spring Training game, so that for the next seven months or so, we can talk mostly about what's happening on the field instead of speculation and rumors. These slow February days are driving me crazy.
Going back to the ballpark situation, WSCR "The Score" just reported on one of their news breaks that talks have already been "broached" (whatever that means) about the Cubs playing at least one season in U.S. Cellular Field while Wrigley Field gets a complete facelift, save the bleachers, scoreboard, and of course, the new playing field. Basically, the same thing the Bears did a few years ago, and the same thing the Yankees did in the early '70s when they played two seasons in Shea Stadium. No official sources were listed, but it was reported that this may happen as soon as the 2010 season. A lot of us have predicted, at one point or another, that this is exactly what would happen when the time came to update Wrigley. As someone who loves Wrigley Field and hates The Cell, I have to say that I think this would be a great thing. It would ensure the Cubs stay in Wrigleyville long-term. Thoughts? 48 hours until the first S.T. game!!
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Oh...
I suppose a year in the cell could best be described by Garth from Wayne's World: "It's like a new pair of underwear. At first it's constrictive, but after a while it becomes a part of you."
That's one of the first times I think
Hopefully
I actually wouldn't mind going to the cell, it's only like a mile from my house.(I would miss Wrigley)
Wrigley renovation
I wouldn't want to come back and find out they've sacrificed 10,000 "cheap" seats for more sky boxes.
I would hope that whatever the new grandstand looked like, it would be done in a style reminiscent of what we have now, and not modern a la the Soldier Field fiasco.
I'd expect seats to remain close to the field (almost impossible not to considering the small site acreage).
I also would hope they don't go crazy with in-stadium advertising, which already has gotten too carried away in my opinion.
It would be pretty sickening to have to watch them at the Cell all year, I've got to say. If they can't promise it's ready after one year, I wouldn't go for it.
It's a good point, but unlikely that
Renovation
As for the renovated Wrigley, count me amongst those who has complete trust in whatever the Cubs organization does as far as the ballpark goes. They've done as good of a job as could be expected on their previous renovations. Take one walk through the myriad of new ballparks and you realize that Wrigley's concourse is an absolute dump. The bathrooms are totally inadequate. The grandstands also need a major upgrade.
DmL
I think they would be smart about it....
It might have something to do with the Olympics, but since the main site is supposed to be the Washington Park area and along with south lake front, I would imagine that from a convenience standpoint, they would probably use The Cell for any baseball/softball events. But you never know. They may want to show off the new Wrigley Field to the world.
thats an interesting point
by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Feb 26, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Olympics
I think that if Chicago won the bid
Olympics
olympic baseball at wrigley would be cool
that being said, I could see the games being played in the cell thanks to our mayor's choice in teams.
by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Feb 27, 2008 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
Could you imagine the World Baseball Classic
I believe a widely successful World Baseball Classic in '09 and again in '12 may bode very well for '16 Olympic baseball. We'll find out in 20 months if ChiTown wins the Olympic bid or not.
If we do, that may be yet another reason to renovate Wrigley...
by blackhawk24 on Feb 27, 2008 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Speaking of the first ST game...
BTW - First homer of the year belongs to David Wright (NYM) - he homered his first time up off someone named Katzman for the University of Michigan. Man, those Wolverines just can't catch a break... (said the native Buckeye rather smugly...)
On MLB.com's schedule
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/schedule/index.jsp#20080226
Swear to God...
Thanks for the help.
Does that mean
If the Cubs played at the Cell...
I doubt the Cubs would have all the "noise", though they might make use of the Jumbotron, at least for more information.
There's no way the Cubs would ever play home games at Miller Park. First, it would be logistically impossible to create a schedule where the Brewers and Cubs were never home on the same dates. And while yes, they could "double up" on a few dates, they couldn't do so dozens of times a year. Finally, although a fair number of Cub fans live within an hour's drive of Miller Park, that wouldn't be fair to the rest of us who don't.
The Cell makes sense IF they had to close Wrigley for a year for renovations. However, I have also heard it proposed that the renovations to the main grandstand could be done in sections, over several offseasons (or partly, even DURING seasons) so the Cubs wouldn't have to move at all.
Renovation is desperately needed
I would honestly root against them if itcametothat
by Jerry Mumphrey on Feb 26, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
That would truly be....
thats a terrible twist that I never thought of
to take it even further. Imagine a Cubs - Sox WS with all games played at comiskey.
by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Feb 26, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
It would be weird, all right...
And when we won...
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 26, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
And in the ultimate unlikeliness...
That's happened in the past
I didn't know that...
Well...
I feel your pain.
That's what my doctor told me yesterday, too.
The Cubbies have...
The first three games of the series were at Comiskey and the Cubbies lost 2 of 3 at Comiskey. The Cubbies lost the series to Boston too.
The stated reason...
Incidentally, the Red Sox themselves had chosen to play their previous two World Series (1915 and 1916) home games at Braves Field, for the same reason.
Baseball palace...
No doubt they picked Comiskey for the seating capacity but Comiskey was also at that time a much better facility.
Clearly though Wrigley improved thru the years while the grand old Comiskey sadly was allowed to fall in disrepair. That's the tale though of so many historical buildings from Chicago's past.
Plus back then, Weeghman Park
Yep
by Seattle Mike on Feb 26, 2008 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
Something better
Or on 2nd thought, can't Soldier Field be used?
Cubs will win WS this year, so above scenerio won't happen.
As much as I'd like not too
Soldier can't possibly have foul lines of any length even if the plate is in the middle of the field's width near one goal post. Even CF won't be that long.
Miller is too far and scheduling would be a nightmare. There's no olympic stadium within hundreds of miles.
Does U-of-I Champaign have a baseball stadium, yikes...
They'd only have to play elsewhere if the plans are to rip the 2nd deck down and rebuild. That hasn't been determined as needed has it?
Isn't this all predicated on Zell getting his way and selling the ballpark to the state? What would BudLight and MLB have to say about this?
According to "The Score"....
Thanks...
So if I read into this [whole story] a little, is this really a way to get big-ass skyboxes in the ballpark and they'll do it under the disguise of the 'crumbling upper deck', hmmm....
What perspective team owner is gonna want to rent Wrigley and not have control of the revenue stream? And on top if it all, be chained there for 30 years? Who knows what the hell is gonna happen by 2038 or later.
well for starters I'll be 54...
seriously though. I'll start paying closer attention to all of this when I start seeing artist renderings.
by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Feb 26, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
U of I does have a field
-Alexian Field
-Elfstrom Stadium
-That stadium where the Thunderbolts play
-Silver Cross Field
In 1984
Actually....
Read my article...
I will do that.
Not so fast
You from Bahston?
by Seattle Mike on Feb 26, 2008 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
But when we move to Seattle
by Seattle Mike on Feb 26, 2008 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
I guess
And I wouldn't be heartbroken at all if they won the World Series that season.
And other than the 1944 Series that was played completely at Sportsman's Park, the 1921 and 1922 World Series between the Yankees and Giants were played completely at the Polo Grounds. Yankee Stadium opened in 1923.
How is it
Yet you write about the Cubs minor league stuff so fervently.
Are you boycotting? Have trouble traveling?
Don't like the place? Can't take off work (ever)?
Every Cub fan Anglean I know at least catches a game live every few years or so. How, as a great Cubs fan, can you stay away from the Baseball Mecca for ten years?
Shoot - I even see the Cubs at Dodgers Stadium.
by TheEman on Feb 26, 2008 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
I've been to dozens of Cub games
But I live in California, my parents (including my dying father), sister and six nieces and nephews live in Maine and my in-laws live in Idaho (where I can catch minor league Cub games) and Washington.
When I get money and vacation time, I'm afraid Chicago is not high on my list. I put my family first.
by Josh Timmers on Feb 27, 2008 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
I think you've earned...
If anything, it would do some of you "big Cubs" fans a favor to take a trip to Tenessee, or Peoria or Des Moines to check out what life's really like on the farm.
Going to one real Cubs game is a total luxury for my family and me. I can't wait until our boys' second Cubs game on August 29th!
Soriano: "I'm afraid of the wall"
Reason I put this here is, the Cubs apparently already added a 4 feet to the Warning track to appease Soriano, would it be possible to grow ivy on bricks made of foam? Me thinks Soriano would then find out he's allergic to Ivy altogether.
My favorite part of this article however by Sullivan was this nugget of hilarity which I had never heard of before:
Well, for $136M
Perhaps the coaches should show him the clip of Fuld running, catching, crashing, turning and throwing last year, to complete a 9-3 DP.
by blackhawk24 on Feb 27, 2008 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Id rather not
You're correct
Well Sori, you have 4' more of track; use it to your advantage.
by blackhawk24 on Feb 27, 2008 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
This is the key right here.
Cubs need to dump the brick...
I don't blame him one bit. It's called protecting our $136 million investment.
Soriano
He has to play a certain position. He has to hit leadoff. He has to play cautiously around the wall.
Etc.
Nah... he's in it for the championship...

That is the weakest and lamest excuse ever
As a matter of fact, he shouldn't be sprinting, period! Why take the risk of hurting our 136 million dollar investment. He should also be on a strict 3 swings per game basis. Wouldn't want him pulling a muscle or anything.
NOONE is saying he should wrecklessy jump into the wall but with him, it's just not that he's afraid to run into the wall, but because he is afraid of the wall, he let's alot of balls go over his head, before they even hit the wall. There are a lot of techniques to playing the OF to know how close you are to the wall and whether or not you have a chance of catching that ball. He should put more time into learning those techniques and less time being afraid of running into the wall.
Like I said, it's not just the wall at Wrigley, it's any wall in the League that he's afraid of.
He could always move him back to 2nd, right?
by Jerry Mumphrey on Feb 27, 2008 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Deal with it
It's like a hockey player afraid of the boards. We have a saying about a player afraid to go to the boards for a loose puck, "he can go into the corners with a dozen eggs and not break one of them". Granted its more rough than baseball but the idea is the same. Learn to navigate the hazards of the game.
No one is changing Wrigley. Fonzie has to learn how to do it. It would have been a good idea (why didn't I think of it sooner) to make the HoHoKam track the same width as the expanded track now at Wrigley. That'd give him and the other OF'ers a few weeks head start. Wrigley's track is 4' wider now so this should help him and the other OF'ers as the season progresses.
This is a good start
Complicated Person + Player With Special Needs = Way Too Much Spent on Contract
by blackhawk24 on Feb 27, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe its just me, but...
But then again, maybe that's just me.
by Orval Overall on Feb 27, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah for $136 million dollars
He's got his money, why should he have to give everything he has on Defense. I mean, he's only going to be playing at Wrigley for another 6 years.
I guess...
Come on, we didn't sign Tori Hunter to play LF for us. We got a guy to mash the ball and steal bases. I don't recall the outrage toward Sammy's subpar defense, or is this just because of the size of his contract?
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 27, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
Because Sammy was putting up historic numbers
RE: Sosa
I can remember a couple times when Sosa alligatored it at the wall and he would hear it from the crowd.
Admitting fear...
As for me...I'm afraid of

by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 27, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
2 things....
emphasis mine.
He says he's working on it, can't we at least give him the benefit of the doubt and see what he can do once the season starts?
2. Yes, Sammy put up historic numbers. I don't want to remind you of how most of us think he was doing it in light of some recent events. (cough cough)
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 27, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
FWIW
This is a new year and his 2nd year at Wrigley and it's a new year. He's got a clean slate on this subject, for now. And after 2 or 3 times of pulling short on a ball over his head and at the wall, he should be booed mercilessly :)
I think that...
Sammy
to plaigarize a little...
Somehow that feeds a thread in which he's described as arrogant and not "learn[ing] the proper technique of going back on a ball near the wall, because he makes $136 Million." How on earth do you get from point A to point B?
I am so grateful games start tomorrow -- finally give people a chance to complain about something real, not a non-issue like this is.
by Orval Overall on Feb 27, 2008 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Something real?
That wasn't real? Or the countless other times at Wrigley he gave up on a ball at the wall? That wasn't real either?
As I said, but clearly some people don't have the greatest of reading comprehnsion's, that I acknowledged he said he was working on it and it is a new year and a clean slate for him this year, but after the 2nd or 3rd time he does it, he should hear about it from the fans. Really.
I will admit though
I'll drop it. Otherwise It's just:

interesting...
Must be a pretty overpowering fear to carry from Chicago to Phoenix.
Anyways, yes, I meant something real as in something not as contrived as this.
by Orval Overall on Feb 27, 2008 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
sarcasm
For $136M he should be playing his ass off; period.
There's a way to play aggressively without hurting yourself. I've seen that Rowand [Philly] catch a dozen times. He looks like a careless ass-clown out there. That's not what I want to see from Fonzie.
You know lost in all of this is how he starts his movement once the ball is hit. What makes Pie so good in the OF; especially at a relatively young age? It's his break on the ball when it is hit. Fonzie working on his break-on-contact will help his overall defence.














