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Sad State of Chicago Sports

As taken from an ESPN.com article. Heres the link:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jackson/080206&sportCat=mlb

Really makes you wonder, well makes me wonder. Where exactly are we headed. As an avid Chicago sports fan, I remain optimistic after reading this article. Thoughts?

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I read that yesterday
And it made me think that the writer strongly dislikes Chicago and had nothing else to write about.  I saw on the MLB page of ESPN and it seemed out of place.

The article annoyed me, but then again I had no idea why it was written NOW

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Feb 7, 2008 12:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

scoop jackson
is actually a Chicago guy. I am not a fan of his at all. He's written several articles over the years that have really rubbed my the wrong way. specifically he wrote an article during the 2005 playoffs wondering why Cubs fans weren't excited about how his sox were doing.

i'll take a glance at his stuff, but I don't really pay that much attention to they guy.

AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike on Feb 7, 2008 12:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Scoop Jackson?
Say no more. He's an idiot. I won't even stoop to reading his crap.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 7, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

don't sugar coat it Al
say how you really feel. :)
AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike on Feb 7, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

re: Scoop Jackson?
So you're saying you won't, in effect, "stoop to Scoop."
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by dat cubfan daver on Feb 7, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed - Scoop Jackson isn't worthy of your time.
I remember the article he wrote about the Sox and how Cubs fans weren't cheering for them. As I recall, he said it was because we're RACIST. Yep, that's the reason I dislike the White Sox - because they are so much more multicultural than the Cubs. Gimme a break.

by mportsch on Feb 7, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Aggh the race card.
Love it when Dusty pulled, it was like he was the first black person to every succeed in Chicago.  if only Michael Jordan was black, oh wait.

What does race have to do with Cub fans disliking everything White Sox?  If I recall lots of fanbases dislikes lots of others.

Yankees/Red Sox, defenitly a race thing

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Feb 7, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh no you didn't!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 7, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I also read that yesterday...
let him have his opinion. A city like Chicago, with all it's history and rich traditions, cannot be on top all the time. Yeah, the Sox won in 05, the Bears were NFC champs a year ago, and the Cubs are on their way.

I still like the fact that Chicago is the only city with all of it's sporting venues within the city limits.

You ARE freaking out MAN!

by crw89 on Feb 7, 2008 12:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Any ass clown...
can skim the sports headlines the past several months, compile them and come up with that pile.

No insight and no real knowledge of the teams.

He'd fit right in with the Telander's, Downey's and Ladewski's here.

I've come to grips that any "writer" or "columnist" that has an article about hockey will be run through with a fine tooth comb just because there's so many of them that don't know shit about hockey.

But when it comes to baseball and the fact its covered 100x more than hockey in this country, it makes me sad to believe an editor would allow articles with absolutely no substance.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 7, 2008 12:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Whoever this guy is, he's an idiot
"And now, one week away from pitchers and catchers showing up for spring training, many see the Cubs slipping into the same Lee Oskar darkness in the NL Central that the Bears did in the NFC North -- even with the addition of the great, unseen Kosuke Fukudome."

What? Who are these "many" Jackson refers to? Sounds like a writer who wants to hide his own opinions with an BS attribution.

Journalism 101: If it isn't a quote and it's subjective, it's crap.

"Hey! If the moon were made of ribs, wouldja eat it? I know I would!"

by cubs0505 on Feb 7, 2008 1:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

My question is why...
...anyone thinks Chicago is such a great sports town?  Sure we have great fans but our baseball teams have won a total of 6 World Championships (including only 3 in the last 100 years) in the entire 131 year history of baseball.  The Bears used to be dominant and were good from 1984-1991 but they've been to a total of two Superbowls out of 52.  The Blackhawks have not won the Stanley Cup in 47 years and they've only been to the finals one time in those 47 years and they were swept.  They have won only 3 Stanley Cups despite being an Original Six team.  The Bulls had a remarkable run during the Jordan era but otherwise have been an unremarkable franchise.  So tell me why anyone thinks now is really any different?

by jolietconvict on Feb 7, 2008 1:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

you should check your numbers before...
you write. I skimmed that and found 3 mistakes. One I'll give you as a typo; it's 42 superbowls.

Sad to say, it's only 5 baseball world series championships; the Cubs in '07 and '08, the Sox in '06 (beating the Cubs 4-2 after the Cubs went 116-36), '17 and 2005.

The 'Hawks were to the finals 3 times since the '61 cup, not once. Yes they were swept last time in '92 but they also lost 4-3 to the Canadiens in the '71 cup finals (Lemaire fog goal) and again to the Canadiens 4-2 in the '73 cup finals (post Golden Jet era began).

Where the argument of great sports town is the support of its' teams fans. However intrinsically the city overall is better W/L wise than they were 20-25 years ago; with the exception of the 'Hawks.

The Cubs, Sox, Bears and Bulls were pretty much pitiful in the 70's into the 80's, only the 'Hawks were good. By contrast there's been multiple division winners by each of the teams in the last 15 years. Take out the Reinsdorf-induced 1994 baseball strike and its not too hard to imagine the Sox having won the WS that year also. They were a damned good team in 1994.

by blackhawk24 on Feb 7, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If...
... the above poster is going to cite "the entire 131-year history of baseball", then the city of Chicago has six more titles -- that's the number of NL pennants that the Cubs (then known as the White Stockings) won in the 19th Century.

Since that was the only major league at the time, that'd have to be considered the "world championship". Yes, I know there were some precursors to the WS then, a few postseason series between the NL winner and the AA (American Association, then known as a major league) winner, but there's plenty of debate about whether the winner of those series was a true "world champion" or not.

If not, it's 5 World Series titles for the city of Chicago in 104 World Series (excluding 1994, when there wasn't one). Still not a good record.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Feb 7, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

To go even further
I left off the 131 year history reference in my rant.

I took that as NL but history goes further and so do the Cubs. In fact, the team we know now as the Cubs were founded in 1870 as the White Stockings. That team was displaced for a few years (in hiatus) after its ballpark burned in the great Chicago fire of 1871.

What really bothers me though is this pud is a "sports writer".

by blackhawk24 on Feb 7, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I must admit...
...I kinda like the guy's writing style. It's gotta nice flow. But, as others have already pointed out, he's offering only broad, rather unimaginative statements that toe the usual "I'm a professional sportswriter; therefore, I have to bitch and moan or else no one will take me seriously" line.

On the subject at hand, our Chicago Cubs, he says in part:

And now, one week away from pitchers and catchers showing up for spring training, many see the Cubs slipping into the same Lee Oskar darkness in the NL Central that the Bears did in the NFC North -- even with the addition of the great, unseen Kosuke Fukudome.

Um, who exactly are these "many" you refer to, Mr. Jackson? I fancy myself one who follows baseball fairly closely and the general consensus I see/read/hear is that the NL Central will more than likely be, once again, a dogfight between the Milwaukee Brewers and those Chicago Cubs you just so summarily dismissed (with maybe the Cincinnati Reds replacing last year's St. Louis Cardinals as a dark horse). So the Cubs aren't "slipping" anywhere -- they're positioned quite nicely to battle for a second consecutive division crown. And I won't even get into "We Cubs fans"...

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by dat cubfan daver on Feb 7, 2008 1:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

"Lou Piniella as the prodigal skipper"
??? Once again someone using prodigal in the wrong sense.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Feb 7, 2008 1:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

re: "Lou Piniella...prodigal skipper"
Good point. He misuses it in both the literal and figurative senses. Literally, Merriam-Webster provides the primary definition as "characterized by profuse or wasteful expenditure." He could have tried using this to depict Jim Hendry, I suppose. And if Jackson was referring to the Prodigal Son parable, well, that doesn't make sense either, because Piniella did not return to the Cubs organization. I guess we could call Joe Girardi our "prodigal skipper," should he ever join the club in that capacity.
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by dat cubfan daver on Feb 7, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If he thinks Chicago sports are sad...............
then he should move to Philadelphia!

This upcoming May 31st will be the 25th anniversary of the last professional sports title by a Philadelphia team (Sixers sweeping the LA Lakers in the NBA finals).

25 years of no titles for any of the 4 major pro teams!  

Scoop should stop complaining!

by PhillyCub on Feb 7, 2008 1:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Or San Francisco
Giants, A's, Raiders and Warriors aren't exactly raking in the playoff appearances and championships.  Sorry, I don't know anything and could care less about their hockey team.
I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. - Robert McCloskey

by pageian on Feb 7, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One thing Philly has
is a supportive, patient, and empathetic fanbase.

by morgane on Feb 7, 2008 4:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And the cheesesteaks...
...don't forget the cheesesteaks.
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by dat cubfan daver on Feb 7, 2008 4:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

While we're on the subject.....
I know we chronicle East Coast media bias on an almost daily basis here, but regarding the Philly "fans" (and we'll throw in New York and Boston fans too), why is it that when they act the way they do, it's because they're passionate, according to the media.  When Cub fans boo players, etc. they're just drunks.  Even as I write this, my blood pressure is rising.  Nothing in sports makes me madder than this phenomenon.  
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Feb 8, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Bulls
As much as I love John Paxson he needs to be fired.   He's done an abysmal job of constructing a ballclub.  

Paxson tried to construct an energy team that sweats.   In other words a team that works it's ass off on defense and fights, scrapes and battles for every rebound on both sides of the court.   Invariably, "energy teams" burn out and wind up overwhelmed by teams with talented and sophisticated offenses.   Scott Skiles got every last ounce of production from this energy-built team.   Not surprising, the inmates finally burnt out and turned on the head coach.  

Paxson is also tragically guilty of being in love with certain players.   Kirk Hinrich is biggest example.  

Ben Wallace was an awful acquisition that has turned into poison that is impacting others on the roster.   Ben Gordon is biggest example.  He won't play with a hangnail anymore and there isn't a darn thing Paxson can do about it.    

Tyrus Thomas is a certified bust.   Joakim Noah is as well.  

The Bulls are a MESS.  First order of business has to be to fire Paxson.   Then blow the whole thing up and start over.  

by MDBNIU on Feb 7, 2008 4:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Noah was a high pick
...but never expected to amount to a star, so I doubt he is considered a bust.  Especially through a half year of his career.

Deng and Gordon, especially Deng, have to be pissed they didnt sign for all that money.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Feb 8, 2008 9:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

da bulls!
too bad MJ doesn't stick around instead of thinking he could play baseball!the bulls win 2 more rings easily.i agree with MDB paxson needs to go!we basically have the same team as last year.

by cubz409 on Feb 7, 2008 11:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Anything put out by ESPN..
is crap in my opinion. Or nearly anything anyway.  

It does remind me of a funny quote I heard someone say in the late '80's.."Chicago is home of more dog teams than the Yukon."

Reds will finish above the Cubs in the NL Central. Book it.

by wicubfan on Feb 8, 2008 8:41 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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