Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: 2011 In Extreme Home Runs

all the late greats

Hi.  I've reading BCB for about two years but I never post.  When I selected my username, perhaps 12 to 18 months ago, I chose to reference to an obscure Cub from my own youth, a reliever named Laddie Renfroe.  I've also noticed that several other BCB users have chosen similar handles.  Specifically, I've seen Gary Varsho, Jerry Mumphrey, and Les Lancaster.  I have two questions, not just for those users but for the whole community:

1.    Which current Cubs could become similar fan favorites?

2.    For those of you that chose a more conventional handle, which player would you have chosen as a similarly beloved Cub from your childhood?  Rather, there's only one Ernie Banks (or Sandberg, or Sosa, etc.) but who was your favorite seemingly obscure player?

Here are my own answers...

First, which current Cub might serve as such a touchstone for today's kids?  Sam Fuld is my choice.  Hustlin' little guy, good glove, and he's both an econ major out of Stanford as well as a former STATS Inc. intern, making him probably the only big leaguer inclined to discuss VORP, WARP, and other all those other metrics that sound like made-up words from `The Princess Bride'.  I'm disappointed that he seems to be playing his way off the roster this spring.

Second, I chose Laddie Renfroe as my username because he was a gloriously ridiculous player, he made me laugh, and I distinctly recall being riveted to the TV set during his few appearances, rooting hard for him to succeed.  Listed at 5'11", 200 lbs, he was a short, fat, right-handed reliever who threw submarine style.  He had coke-bottle glasses and a mustache.  He looked like a fat hillbilly version of Dan Quisenberry.  Renfroe didn't fare very well with the Cubs, finishing his two-week, four-game career with a 13.50 ERA.  From the game logs, it appears that he was the emergency pitcher, the guy you put in when a) everyone else is tired, b) the game is out of hand and nobody needs work, or c) you're not quite ready to put in Doug Dascenzo.  He was already 29 years old by that point, and he'd been in the Cubs system for seven years.  It's worth noting that he did win 19 games in 1989, leading the minors, throwing 132 innings in 78 appearances for Charlotte, then the Cubs AA affiliate.  So he was durable and, at least that year, really lucky.  Unfortunately, I can't find a picture online, although I know that he had a baseball card the following year.

As a kid, I also had a special fondness for, in no particular order...

1.    Mumphrey.
2.    Jeff Pico, he of the debut shut-out.
3.    Hector Villaneuva, the BP home run king.
4.    Chico Walker, more so for his second go-round with the team.  That inside-the-park grand slam is a good memory.
5.    Steve Christmas, because it only takes one big hit to make an impression on a young fan.
6.    Porfirio Altimirano.  If I shut my eyes, I can hear Harry trying in vain to articulate his name.
7.    Lloyd McClendon.  For 1989 and, later, his literal base stealing.
8.    Mike Harkey.  Remember how good he looked late in '88?
9.    Noce.
10.    I could go on forever as it's too hard to choose just ten guys.  I just hope that somebody else brings up Steve Rain....or Cuno Barragan....or Rosey Brown...or Henry Cotto...or the jug-eared shortstop from the 1989 Charlotte Knights...

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

Comment 89 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

In addition to Fuld...
... Mike Fontenot.

Incidentally, here's a picture of Renfroe. This is from a 1988 Iowa Cubs set:

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 11, 2008 4:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Have we
forgotten the Greatest Opening Day Hitting Exhibition Ever?

TUFFY RHODES!

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 11, 2008 5:18 AM CDT reply actions  

the cajun canecjun
fontenot...good call.  perhaps i'm too cynical these days, cause i do things like look at his second half splits and dismiss a few ridiculous games early in the year.

i root for the theriot/fontenot DP combo, both because they've been together for many years and also because and i hope they chatter to each other in bayou french ("et tu" to signal 'you cover' in case of a steal attempt).

is it me, or does fontenot bear a strong resemblance to mickey morandini?...minus the peach-fuzz mustache.

as for the card pic, thanks.  the posed delivery is wonderful.  he's much skinnier there than i recalled but the set is iowa '88 which would make the photograph from '87, four years earlier than his unfortunate debut.

i think i have a bruce bochte from that iowa '88 set.  penguin swag.

by LaddieRenfroe on Mar 11, 2008 5:28 AM CDT reply actions  

upon further inspection...
the "penguin swag" was in reference to what the cubs got for ron cey.  according to baseballreference, they received luis quinones in exchange for the penguin.  in that trade, the cubs got neither bruce bochy nor bruce bochte.  they didn't even get billy bathe...

but somewhere, lurking in a box, is my '88 Iowa Cubs Billy Bathe card.  It's only value, except as tinder, is that for 20 years I've been under the impression that Oakland A's traded him to the Cubs for Ron Cey, which would've made him "Penguin Swag" if I hadn't been wrong.  So it's worth nothing but aren't most of my old baseball cards?  Anybody out there want a 1989 Donruss Drew Hall?

And yeah, Tuffy Rhodes.  I recall that Karl "Tuffy" Rhodes became a prodigious power hitter in Japan, which makes me gloomy about those projections for Fukedome to hit 25 homers....290/.330/.435, 12 HR, 70 RBI.  The OBP is low because he'll press, have we seen one Japanese hitter in MLB that works the count?  In the spirit of comparison, Kosuke will prove to be a Japanese Dave Martinez, fitting as he also wears #1.

by LaddieRenfroe on Mar 11, 2008 10:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Cubs
Current Cub:  Ryan Theriot

All-Time Cub:  Dave Martinez (my aunt knew him)

"Oh well, there's always next year!!!" Every Cub fan

by McRipper on Mar 11, 2008 10:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Welcome
I'm a bit older but we all have the scrub favorites when we were kids.  Back then we really didn't understand that many of these players were just plain bad.  Mine included:
  • Paul Popovich (my first autograph)
  • Willie Smith (the '69 home run)
  • Nate Oliver (not sure why)
  • Carmen Fanzone (great name)
  • Joe Wallis (his nickname was Tarzan)
  • Pete LaCock (he looked good)
  • Ray Burris (I thought he was another Fergie)

by rlpete on Mar 11, 2008 10:12 AM CDT reply actions  

All good selections
Also, Carmen Fanzone. And to get really obscure, there was a utility guy I liked enough to take his uniform number -- 21 -- for my own in little league. I had to look him up on Kasey's uniform number page, because I couldn't remember his name: Gene Hiser. Slightly less obscure? Ted Abernathy.
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 11, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow good names
Fanzone also as you will recall played a pretty good trumpet. I think he even played at Wrigley one time.

Paul "super sub" Popovich was one of my favorites as well. Think of him as a poor mans DeRosa.

Willie Smith will always be remembered for the opening day shot in '69. Did not really do much after that.

Funny I do really remember Nate Oliver. Was he a second baseman or catcher. I don't recall.

Pete LaCock's dad was a game show host whose name escapes me.

I thought the same thing about Burris. Very similiar frame to Fergie. Had high hopes for him for that reason alone.

As Bob Hope would say, "thanks for the memories"

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 11, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Answers
Nate Oliver was a reserve infielder.  Gene Oliver, who recently passed away, was the catcher.

Pete LaCock's dad was Peter Marshall.  

As for Popovich, he was a very poor man's DeRosa :-)  

by rlpete on Mar 11, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Atta
boy, I figured someone would answer. Back in the day these questions would drive me nuts trying to recall the name. But today if it bothers me enough I simply go to the net and would be able to find the answers. So thanks for saving me the step.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 11, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rick Wilkins, not sure why
May have been the first summer that I watched the Cubs on a consistent basis that he had a really good year.  Can't answer about current Cubs, as the players I would like aren't necessarily the ones to become fan favorites.

by snley @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Mar 11, 2008 10:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Wilkins in high school
Rick Wilkins was also a very good high school football player, played for my rival and intercepted a play on our final drive, one year, to seal the win. Also, an active memeber of the charity scene down in Jacksonville. As for Fuld, i think he is actually working on his Doctorate in Statistics during the off season. Maybe someday i can get him to explain all the posts from CWYERS i don't understand.

by dwm on Mar 11, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doctorate in Statistics?!
The man's overqualified to be a Major League outfielder.  Aside from that, imagine the payroll ramifications when he eventually hits "Masters plus 15 graduate hours" on the salary scale.  He must be traded at once.

by Rev Gunia on Mar 11, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im happy
He is a smart kid because he will not earn a living playing baseball.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 11, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kevin Foster
He looked good for a few games.  Then there are all the old guys who played a season or a few games with the Cubs at the end of their careers.  Frank Thomas (not the White Sox great), Robin Roberts, I think, Bobby Bonds (remember the three home run game at Busch Stadium or do you remember all the strike outs?), and a whole host of pitchers with their best days behind them.  Those were the days when the farm system produced just a few good players (Santo, Williams, Ken Hubbs), and they had to fill out the roster with some real disasters.  Also they were days when during the week they kept the upper deck closed, and there were very few people in the house.  For all we agonize over our Cubbies today, we generally put an interesting competetive team on the field.
Cheers
Hoping to goodness is not theologically sound. --Linus

by moldyfolky on Mar 11, 2008 10:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Bobby Bonds.
I remember Jack Brickhouse getting SO excited on the telecast, the day Bobby Bonds was acquired -- that was a horrid team, and Brickhouse apparently thought Bonds, who was pretty much done by then, would actually help the Cubs.

Bonds got hit by a pitch in his very first at-bat as a Cub; it broke his wrist and he was out for two months, coming back after the 1981 strike was over.

He hit well for about 100 plate appearances, hitting .263/.375/.442, and then fell off the table in the last month, hitting .147/.247/.294 in his final 77 PA; his final numbers as a Cub: .215/.323/.380.  

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 11, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Um
Hit in the wrist on his first a bat as Cub. Sounds eerily like Frustrated Fans prediction of Soriano getting injured in the first game of the year. DUH
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 11, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fan Zone for La Cock
Going way back...
  1.  Can anyone give me an eyewitness account of Fanzone playing the national anthem on his trumpet?
  2.  Fanzone isn't dead.  Presumably he can still play the trumpet.  Could he come out to the park and use his jazz skills to lead us into the seventh inning stretch?
Maybe Steve Rain (who probably weighs 350 pounds these days) could do an interpretive dance.

by LaddieRenfroe on Mar 11, 2008 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Memories
(aka Gray hair is good for you!)

Not only Nate Oliver, the Cubs also had Gene Oliver - and I remember an overheard conversation at Wrigley where some clueless person was going on about how it was so hard to tell them apart.

For those not of "a certain age", Nate Oliver was a light-hitting speedster, and Gene Oliver was a lumbering catcher.  Oh yes, and Nate was a black guy, Gene was white.  I still am not sure whether Gene Oliver or Barry Foote was the slowest Cub in my memory.

Also, a now-obscure reliever named Rich Nye - a genuinely nice guy.  When we were kids, we'd hang out by the players' lot and harangue them for autographs on their way to their cars.  Rich Nye signed regularly.  Don Kessinger always seemed to be carrying something...

by MN exile on Mar 11, 2008 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Rich Nye
Is still a really nice guy.  He's a veterinarian for exotic birds or some such thing.  My wife works with a vet that used to work with Nye, and she says that he's an awesome guy.
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.

by HectorVillanueva on Mar 11, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Slowest?
Perhaps Harry Chiti was the slowest.  But there were some real slow players and some very bad baserunners.
Hoping to goodness is not theologically sound. --Linus

by moldyfolky on Mar 11, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don Kessinger always seemed to be carrying
something....

It's the ellipsis that intrigues....

Carrying what exactly? A basketball? Bottle of scotch? His mistress's handbag?  Kessinger fans want to know....

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 11, 2008 12:06 PM CDT reply actions  

it's ...
An ellipsis is three, not four!

Generally he was carrying towels or some odds & ends, so his hands were full, meaning no signatures.

Still one hell of a shortstop, though.

by MN exile on Mar 11, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Obviously, Big Hector was my fave
But I also had a fondness for Doug Dascenzo, Mike Harkey, Rey Sanchez, Curtis Wilkerson, Randall Simon, Dave Owen, Brant Brown, and Luis Salazar.

I was always the guy on that cusp, right on the edge of making the team or not - right on the edge of starting or sitting, in every sport I played.  Usually I was the second best player at my position, and I was smaller than everyone else my age, so I had to fight harder to keep my spot.  I think that's why I identified with Hector, Dougie, Sanchez, and Brown.  

The other guys just came up with big hits in key situations in moments that, for whatever reason, were particulary memorable to me.  A lot of the images in my head from last season are Jacque Jones and Angel Pagan - not the stars, but big moments that stuck in my brain for some reason.

I think all of us like rooting for the little guy, or the nice guy, or the one that took the time to sign an autograph.  It's interesting to see though, that most of us stop having these favorites after we grew up - and started watching (and understanding) stats a little more.  To me, as a little kid, Henry Cotto and Dave Owen were the go to guys, always ready with a big hit - looking at the numbers, that's not quite so, but at 9, I couldn't figure out why they didn't start.

This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.

by HectorVillanueva on Mar 11, 2008 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Hector
Hector Villanueva was my first autograph. When I was little I would go to Chicago every summer (I live in KS) and see a series or two and brought the same ball every year. On the same ball I ended up getting Frank Castillo, Paul Assenmacher (sp?), Randy Myers, and a couple others I can't think of.

by bikemonkey on Mar 12, 2008 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

One thing
for certain, the list of Cub players that fit this bill is endless. Not so sure that is a good thing.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 11, 2008 12:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Closest I came to a player autograph was from...
Frank DiPino.  He was signing just outside the dugout, but I decided it wasn't worth the wait and went for a hot dog instead.

by Jerry Mumphrey on Mar 11, 2008 12:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Being only 16
there aren't that many Cubs players that come to mind. Fan favorites I guess in this short period areRyan Theriot and Angel Pagan and Carlos Marmol. I do have a long list of hated players, lol.
Live is boring until March 31st strolls by..

by Chanman25 on Mar 11, 2008 3:37 PM CDT reply actions  

All-time:
Scott Servais. Yeah, I know, he was awful, but imagine this college student as a child watching his first baseball game on TV. My dad turns the TV to WGN, just in time for Scott to hit a home run, one of probably 30-something in his career. I was hooked.

Right now, I'd go with Kerry Wood. When you put what he's done for the Cubs next to the Employee, I have so much respect for the guy.

"Hey! If the moon were made of ribs, wouldja eat it? I know I would!"

by cubs0505 on Mar 11, 2008 3:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Funny story
A couple of years ago I was sitting in the upperdeck and Miller Park.  I go to the bathroom and look about 4 urinals down and there was Scott Servais.  Of course, I yelled "Scott Servais" and he looked at me like I was crazy.

Why was he sitting in the upper deck?

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 11, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe it was because...
...you were pissing where you were looking.

There's nothing quite as awkward as the urinal shout-out...

by Shawon O Meter on Mar 11, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha, I took that into consideration
Thats why I yelled his name while I was leaving and he was washing his hands.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 11, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

>8)
Those trough-style bathrooms can become warzones in the late innings!

by Shawon O Meter on Mar 11, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha
Theyre like a parking lot without the parking lines.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 11, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damon Berryhill
I played catcher growing up, and I just remember he was my favorite Cub not named Grace. I even had his Starting Line-Up figure. I took it hard when he got traded. I have no ideal why :)

Now, The Riot.

by Tangled Up In Blue on Mar 11, 2008 3:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Probably
because he has a very cool cousin.
It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8lbs. 1 oz.

by Josh Timmers on Mar 11, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cool or not
...man her voice is like nails on a chalkboard on that website.  

by Rev Gunia on Mar 11, 2008 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Delino DeShields
I know he's more recent than not.  And not that I cheered for him...but Delino always brought a smile to my face because he was...well...different.  I have no idea why I came to this conclusion.  The cat came across as scuzzy and I found it oddly humorous.

by Rev Gunia on Mar 11, 2008 3:49 PM CDT reply actions  

AS a kid it was:
Thad Bosley!  I always felt bad for him that everyone loved (and deservingly so) Dernier, Moreland, and Sarge.

Now it's gotta be either Theriot or Murton...

"It's a pier 9 brawl!..."

by rrobinson on Mar 11, 2008 5:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Thad
was an excellent pinch hitter! He was one of my favorites back in the mid 1980's.

I wonder how he is doing these days?

"I lof to hit de home ron!"

by Tekboy on Mar 11, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he was a
hitting coach for a major league team a few years back (maybe Oakland).

He also was a good pianist. I think he might have made an album.

by markleonette on Mar 11, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

There was something
I really liked about Glenn Beckert......I think it was because he was about my size, and choked-up on the bat.
Hey Lou, we're long overdue.

by deadcatbounce on Mar 11, 2008 7:00 PM CDT reply actions  

My list is mostly from the 80's
I'd go with:

Vance Law - Had such potential with that last name

Jim Sundberg - Short time with Cubs but I still remember the day he hit a Grand Slam in the Bot 8 with the Cubs trailing the Pads 8-4. Cubs go on to win 12-8

Frank DiPino - I especially loved the part where the year after he leaves the Cubs to sign with the Cardinals he has a 2.45 ERA in 67 appearances

"You know what? You want a job? Go out and earn one." Sweet Lou

by Kyle Turney on Mar 11, 2008 7:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Re: DiPino
...and then gets involved in the bench-clearing brawl w/ a young Mark Grace.

by Shawon O Meter on Mar 12, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

DiPino
He may have been good elsewhere, but he was mediocre with the Cubs, if my memory serves.
"Hey hey - kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, 5-17-79

by danimal15 on Mar 12, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Has anyone mentioned Tarzan Joe Wallis?
Came up at the end of '75, made some spectacular catches and started hitting right away. We all thought we had the CF of the future.

After having a decent '76, he faded badly the next year and was traded to Cleveland (which was then like being sent to Siberia) for Mike Vail.

Who I also liked. I thought Vail might have become a good everyday outfielder if they'd just let him play.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 11, 2008 7:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Joe Wallis
I do remember Joe Wallis and liked him at the time. But trading him for Mike Vail worked out quite well, and I ended up liking Vail even better.
"Hey hey - kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, 5-17-79

by danimal15 on Mar 12, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

You think I would have liked Dusty
more, since most of mine are middle infielders. But Luis Quinones, Angel Salazar, Domingo Ramos, Mike Brumley and Paul Noce.

Others that I liked from that time period: Damon Berryhill, Bob Tewksbury, Bill Landrum. Who can forget the hype that surrounded Lance Dickson's first major league start. Of course, he only made two or three more major league appearances.

Manny Trillo, who I only remember from his second stint with the Cubs as a reserve. Chico Walker, if for no other reason than his name.

by markleonette on Mar 11, 2008 8:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Lance Dickson
I was at his first start, and I, too, remember the hype. What happened to him? He only pitched a few games in the MLB, and he was about 21 at the time. Did he get hurt? You'd think they would have given him a few more chances.
"Hey hey - kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, 5-17-79

by danimal15 on Mar 12, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dickson got hurt.
Elbow trouble, IIRC. He had tremendous talent. It's a shame.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 12, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dickson
Sorry to hear it. Funny how someone with all that hype ends up being a footnote while a guy like Carlos Zambrano, for whom I recall no hype whatsoever upon his debut in 2001, becomes such a success. As Yogi said, "In baseball, you never know."
"Hey hey - kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, 5-17-79

by danimal15 on Mar 12, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Trillo
Indeed he was an excellent reserve in the 80s, but I recall him being a solid regular in the 70s. A shame he was traded. The Cubs managed to miss out on his best years, but got him back when he was old and not an every day player anymore.

Jerry Martin, a Cub regular in the 70s, also came back for a second stint as a utility guy for the team in the early 80s after spending some time away. I'll always remember his unorthodox batting stance, with the bat high above his head.

"Hey hey - kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, 5-17-79

by danimal15 on Mar 12, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oops!
I meant Jerry Morales, not Jerry Martin!
"Hey hey - kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, 5-17-79

by danimal15 on Mar 12, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jerry Martin
I suspect he may yet nurse a small resentment against me and a few friends.  He wanted his contract redone.  We (rather vocally) reminded him, during his right field pregame warmups, of his batting average - then around .235.

He did in fact turn around and glower at us once or twice.

by MN exile on Mar 12, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yet another Can't Miss
Cub prospect...Frank Castillo. I loved Frank Catillo. I bought his rookie cards, I conducted weak apologetics for his failings...dammit. The Cubs make me love and hate all at once.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 11, 2008 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes!!
Someone mentioned Frank Castillo.  I was going all the way down to read all postings on this diary before I contributed.  I loved Frankie.  Two memories: one, his hot wife, who I think had actually worked at Wrigley Field in some capacity, and was always in the front row cheering him on when he pitched.  Somehow, Arne Harris got more than the required quota of Mrs. Castillo shots, as she was quite stunning.  

Second, his near-miss no-hitter in 1995.  This was so tramatic for me, I still remember every detail.  Late September at Wrigley on a cool night against the Cardinals.  I was a freshman at Illinois State, watching in my dorm room.  Two outs in the ninth, no-hitter on the line, and Bernard Gilkey lines a shot to the right-center field gap that Sammy Sosa dove for (even though he had no shot at it) and it ended up going to the wall for a stand-up triple.  The next batter (I remember almost everything, but can't recall who it was) popped up, and the game was over.  Complete game, 1 hit shutout.  13 years later, I'm still waiting to see my first Cubs no-hitter.  I was so upset I don't think I spoke the entire next day.  Overall, he had a good year in '95, and came back with nothing in '96.  Even now, re-living it is going to send me back to counseling.  :)    

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Mar 12, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry
Frank Castillo never pitched 8.2 innings of no-hit ball. The only two Cubs to do that in the last 35 years since the team's last no-hitter were Chuck Rainey in 1983 and Jose Guzman in 1993.
"Hey hey - kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, 5-17-79

by danimal15 on Mar 12, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry again
Wish I had an edit function here. You were right. I was wrong. How the hell did I miss that game?
"Hey hey - kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, 5-17-79

by danimal15 on Mar 12, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well....
I don't remember Jose Guzman doing it in 1993, so I guess that makes us even.  I'll take your word for it, though.  The other near-misses I remember are Jamie Moyer taking one into the ninth inning in 1987, Zambrano took one into the ninth in 2003, and another one at least into the seventh in, I think, 2005.  

And I wouldn't consider them near-misses, but Steve Trachsel took one into the seventh in the 1-game playoff of 1998, and I was in the right field bleachers in 2006 when Sean Marshall took one into the sixth.  I still have never seen a Cubs no-hitter.  The Milt Pappas game was five years before I was born.  

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Mar 12, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks
For being polite to me after I was impolite to you.

I was at the 1998 playoff game where Trachsel pitched no-hit ball, and it was the slowest game I've ever been to. I was applauding when they took him out, because the tension was unbearable and I just wanted the game to end one way or another. The way he was pitching, we might have been there till midnight. Luckily there was a happy ending.

I was one when Pappas pitched that no-hitter, so I, too, have never seen a Cub no-hitter despite the fact that I'm nearly 37. So many close calls over the years, so our luck is bound to change. Of course, with so few pitchers going 9 innings these days in any game, no-hitters are already becoming far less frequent. Seems to me you have to know how to go 9 innings if you're going to pitch a no-hitter. It's one of the reasons I wish managers would let their starters go deeper into games.

"Hey hey - kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, 5-17-79

by danimal15 on Mar 13, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can't believe....
....that no one's mentioned Joe Pepitone! He seems to fit this category, and always appealed to my grade-school self as being kind of a wild & crazy guy, what with the hair and shades and all.

Modern candidates? Well...the recently departed Angel Pagan has one of the great baseball names, so I'll go with him.

by CaughtInTheVines on Mar 11, 2008 10:16 PM CDT reply actions  

How about Mandy Colorado?
AKA Candy Maldonado.  Harry could never get his name right.  Others: Scott Bullett, Kevin Roberson, Jim Bullinger, Tim Blackwell, Steve Swisher, Dave Clark, Rick Wrona, & Drew Hall

by Itchy on Mar 11, 2008 10:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Obscure guys when I was younger..
The ones I can think of off the top of my head are:

Vance Law
Steve Buchelle
Luis Salazaar
Derrick May

by bikemonkey on Mar 12, 2008 1:51 AM CDT reply actions  

i'm glad to see...
...the mentions of Jim Bullinger and Rick Wrona.  Bullinger hit a home run in his first at-bat which made me as wildly optimistic about his future as perhaps any other Cub from my youth.  As I did a bit of homework for the first post, I was pleased to discover that Bullinger played shortstop behind the real Laddie Renfroe the season that Renfroe won 19 games.

Candy "Manny Colorado" Maldonado was the first in an ever-increasing line of Cub players that I simply loathed.  I know that I'd been frustrated with players before that, such as Dunston.  But Candy came along when I was at the height of adolescense and the innocent optimism of my childhood was rapidly exiting in favor of cynical angst.  I recall that the news of his trade broke during a game, so it was announced on the broadcast, and I was overjoyed but also dumbfounded that another team saw fit not just to take Maldonado but GIVE us a player in EXCHANGE for Candy Freaking Maldonado...

...and the icing on that cake was that Glenallen Hill hit like he was Babe Ruth for the rest of that season.

by LaddieRenfroe on Mar 12, 2008 2:39 AM CDT reply actions  

I was at the game...
... in St. Louis when Bullinger hit that home run. Not only was it his first ML at-bat, it was on the first pitch he saw.

He hit it in the 6th inning, tying the game at 1. The Cubs won in 13 innings -- it was the first game of a doubleheader. The Cubs also won the second game, which ended about 1:45 am. Bullinger pitched in that game, too, recording his first ML save.

He had two decent years, 1994 and 1995; I always thought he'd become a serviceable 4th or 5th starter, but it never happened.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 12, 2008 4:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

hmmm
anyone from the line up from ken griffey, jr. baseball for SNES (1993).

shawon dunston
derrick may
ryno
gracie
rick wilkins
steve buechele (easily my fav)
sosa
derrick may

special random mentions: turk wendell (and his necklace of teeth from animals he killed), brian mcrae and his persistent 5 o'clock shadow, kevin orie aka the next ron santo, and the record holder for wild pitches in an inning: terry adams.

How did Neifi Perez, Kevin Orie, and Jeremi Gonzalez get Rookie of the League votes in 1997?

by bgsiggy on Mar 12, 2008 2:59 AM CDT reply actions  

ahhhhh!
how could i forget one dog, Lance Johnson, who ended pretty much every game getting picked off at first.
How did Neifi Perez, Kevin Orie, and Jeremi Gonzalez get Rookie of the League votes in 1997?

by bgsiggy on Mar 12, 2008 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well
There was the 1 Dog and the Crime Dog
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 12, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gary Woods, Richie Hebner, Jay Johnstone
I remember him making some spectacular catches in the mid-1980s. And he was a good guy, who seemed to understand his role and be comfortable with it.

I also liked Richie Hebner and Jay Johnstone from that era. Both were happy go lucky players who lightened the atmosphere a bit.

And we can't discount Dave Owen, who got the game-winning hit in the 12-11 "Sandberg game" on June 23, 1984. Can't recall him ever doing much else, but he deserves a footnote in history.

"Hey hey - kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, 5-17-79

by danimal15 on Mar 12, 2008 8:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Mike Vail/Jerry Martin
I used to like these two guys back in the 70s. They both seemed to get the big hits when we needed them, especially Vail, who was a hitting machine.
"Hey hey - kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, 5-17-79

by danimal15 on Mar 12, 2008 9:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Hey Laddie Renfroe
I really like your list. You reminded me of some guys I hadn't thought of in ages, like Henry Cotto and Mike Harkey.

Doug Dascenzo had to be my favorite super-sub ever. I was actually at a couple of the games where he pitched. After he retired the side in order in his first pitching appearance, he had a look of absolute exuberance on his face as he ran back toward the dugout to be congratulated by all. I can't remember ever seeing a shorter guy on the mound, as he was about my height (5'7). So he's a bit of a hero to me (and maybe to other short guys as well).

"Hey hey - kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, 5-17-79

by danimal15 on Mar 12, 2008 9:04 AM CDT reply actions  

I May Be Showing My Age
But what about Adolpho Philips as a name from the past or Jim Hickman.  Both guys from the late 60s, early 70s that roamed the Wrigley outfield.  I just like saying the name Adolpho.

by Chodes on Mar 12, 2008 10:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Great Question
Mel Hall, I always loved his wide open stance.
Barry Foot (Foote) I saw him hit a major league pop up that fell in for a single.  I was convinced he should have made second.
Didn't Hector homer in his first AB?
Tuffy's quote about hitting 3hr's on opening day (off Doc Gooden) was great...something like, "after the first one I was surprised, the second amazed, after the third one I was scared."

by Lenbob on Mar 12, 2008 10:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Villanueva
And remember what Harry always called him? "Hector Villanova."
"Hey hey - kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, 5-17-79

by danimal15 on Mar 12, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Julio Zuleta and Roosevelt Brown
I remember seeing Julio Zuleta for the first time in a spring training telecast in what must have been the 2000 season.  He looked like he could destroy a ball if he caught it right.  When he got his chances with the Cubs, I came to really enjoy his personality in the dugout and always wanted him to get the PH at bats.

More than anybody else, Roosevelt Brown was the guy that I was the most disappointed about him not getting a full-time gig.  When Rondell White left, I thought he'd get the LF job, but then Moises came along....  I never was able to really like Moises for that reason.

I guess I also have to include Glenallen Hill on my list.  Everytime he came to the plate, I got excited to see how far he might hit the ball, especially after the roof shot.

by kranskie on Mar 12, 2008 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Here ya go...
Paul Assenmacher

...just for the name and the cap askew.

by Jerry Mumphrey on Mar 12, 2008 1:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Good pick
He had some very effective years with the Cubs. As a set-up man, he was great. As a closer, not so good.
"Hey hey - kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, 5-17-79

by danimal15 on Mar 12, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Obscure names....
Tough to think of ones that have not already been named, since I am a late arrival to this party.  But here goes:

Warren Brusstar, George Frazier, Ray Fontenot.  (First middle-relievers I remember getting pissed at on a regular basis because they were so bad)

Dave Gumpert.  (A decent middle-reliever, as I recall, on a really bad team)

Guy Hoffman (an obscure middle-reliver, and the only reason I remember him was he was the first pitcher I ever saw used as a pinch-runner.  I remember asking my father, "Can they do that?")

Steve Christmas (mentioned already, but I specifically remember his one big hit.  Harry Caray said something to the effect that he looked like "a kid on Christmas morning.")  

Brian Dayett. (First pinch-hit grand slam I ever saw.  Played a few years with the Cubs as a decent bench player).

Paul Noce and Mike Brumley (filled in admirably, if not spectacularly, at 2B and SS respectively in 1987 when Sandberg and Dunston got hurt within a few days of each other).  

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Mar 12, 2008 3:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Ray Fontenot's real name was "Silton"...
...and I remember that my best friend's father hated him.  Apparently, Fontenot made a comment that he'd "rather go fishing than play for the Cubs."  In his defense, there are stories that he and Ron Guidry would converse in cajun french when they were teammates on the Yankees, an anecdote that makes it easy for me to root for Theriot and the current Fontenot when they're playing 2B and SS together.

Julio Zuleta was Pedro Cerrano sprung to life.

Henry Cotto was pretty valuable to the 84 team, as you need a good defensive outfielder if you're starting Moreland and the Sarge out there.  For me, I loved him because of the way Milo Hamilton would say name his name.  I can't think of way to do it justice in type.

Yeah, that Steve Christmas hit.  For the rest of that season, I was always wondering, "where is Steve Christmas?"  

Christmas also illustrates a larger point about almost all the really obscure players we've mentioned which is that we remember a specific instance of their success, or failure, or just Harry mispronouncing their name.  I can comb through lists of Cub players from the 80s and 90s pick out lots of guys that I don't remember but they're balanced out by the Laddie Renfroes.

Thanks for everybody's submissions, especially the older readers.  Like most fan sites, BCB seems to be dominated by folks roughly my own age, say 20-35.  Which is why I especially like seeing the references to Al Spangler, Joe Wallis, Rich Nye, etc.  For me, part of being a Cub fan was hearing my late father describe the relatively obscure Cubs of his own childhood: Peanuts Lowery, Frankie Baumholtz, and listening on the radio to Toothpick Sam Jones's no-hitter.  Even today, I can get my older brother worked up by telling him that Mick Kelleher actually wasn't all that good.

So thanks again.

by LaddieRenfroe on Mar 13, 2008 1:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Gary Scott
Transitory third baseman (62 games total) in 91 & 92.  I hated him because my older sister was ga-ga for him due to his looks.  I won't forget the time he hit a grand slam, my sister went berserk.  That was April 20, against the Phillies.  Greg Maddux started for the Cubs, and Curt Schilling came in as a reliever.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN199204200.shtml

Third baseman that year were Luis Salazar, Chris Jose Viscaino, Chico Walker, Scott, and Doug Stange.  Yick.

Prince Fielder a vegetarian? Run, carrots, run for your lives!

by TC Cubby on Mar 13, 2008 6:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Schilling
relieved for the Phillies, of course.
Prince Fielder a vegetarian? Run, carrots, run for your lives!

by TC Cubby on Mar 13, 2008 7:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Schilling
Yep - he was a reliever for the first part of that year (1992) and I believe he racked up a couple saves. Then later in the year he became a starter and ended up throwing 10 complete games in less than 30 starts. Probably the last pitcher to post a save and 10 CGs in the same year.
"Hey hey - kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, 5-17-79

by danimal15 on Mar 13, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Randy Johnson did that...
... in 1993. (10 CG, 1 save)
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 13, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe
Zambrano can do it this year!
"Hey hey - kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, 5-17-79

by danimal15 on Mar 13, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't count on it.
Among all 30 teams last year, there were 112 CG -- less than 4 per team. There was only one TEAM with ten or more -- Toronto, who had 11. And for the first time in ML history, there were three teams that had zero CG -- Texas, Washington and Florida.

(Ready for danimal's diatribe about how pitchers today are wimps...)

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 13, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hrumph!
I don't do diatribes and don't think today's pitchers are wimps. The game has changed and it's not their fault that they're not expected to go 9 anymore. With proper preparation, they could.
"Hey hey - kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, 5-17-79

by danimal15 on Mar 13, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hector, The Law, and Unforgetable Les
When I was a kid, I had to wear glasses all of the time. Because of this, I used to think Vance Law was cool. He wore regular looking glasses and not those Chris Sabo swimming goggles.

I was also chubby, so of course, Hector Villaneuva was a hero of mine. I had a newspaper picture cut out, enlarged, and pasted on the wall where Andre Dawson was standing at home plate, awaiting a five, after a Mighty Hector home run. I have never seen Hawk smile as big as he did while standing there. It might have been from Hector wobbling around the bases...

And then there is Les Lancaster. Man, he had an awesome '89! I was so proud of him. I just remember thinking so often, before that year, how I was sooooo afraid he'd knee himself in the chin with that weird windup he has. Of course, I don't believe his knee ever came that close to his chin, but man, it was funky. After '89, I just wondered if at some point he actually did, and I missed it.

by JohnMan on Mar 13, 2008 10:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to Bleed Cubbie Blue, the Chicago Cubs blog for the SB Nation, created on February 9, 2005 by Al Yellon

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Img_0001_small
Value of Various Plate Approaches
284_small
Cubs' Fantasy Camp 2012 as seen by a Player's Wife
P7200073_small
Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp 2012

Recent FanPosts

Small
Jazz Up Your Recs!
Jeffnewwork_small
What I Expect From The Cubs In 2012
Wrigley_scoreboard_small
What To Do With Alfonso Soriano
Small
A quick update from the 2012 concessions orientation
Caray_small
Is there any FA left worth going after?
Marvin_the_martian_small
Thoughts On Gerardo Concepcion: Trust The Scouts
Star_small
What if Hendry were still our GM instead of TheoJed?

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

FanShots

Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.

Recommended FanShots

Nice article about Ernie Banks
Yankees Hire Jim Hendry
Dale Sveum Meets Early Arrivals At Camp Buss

Recent FanShots

Cubs vs. Rangers In Las Vegas Tickets On Sale Monday 2/13
Hoyer driving to Spring Training with his dog
Hoyer-Soriano likely a Cub to start 2012, Garza extension talk a possibility
Law's Top 100 prospects
Ranking the Farm Systems
WGN Releases Season Schedule
MLB.com Cubs Top 20 prospect list
A position ranking of the NL central by ESPN.
Draft Pick Currency and the Cubs
Yoenis Cespedes

+ New FanShot All FanShots >

Featured Poll

Poll
How many games will the Cubs win in 2012?

  36 votes | Results

It Is Only...

It Is Only...

Cubs By The Numbers

Cubs By The Numbers is a history of the ballclub by uniform number, but the biographies help trace the history of our beloved team in a new way. For everyone who's a Cubs fan, anyone who ever wore the uniform is like family. Cubs By The Numbers reintroduces readers to some of their long-lost ancestors, even ones they think they already know.

Click here to order your copy, available now!

Recent Stories in Ticket Exchanges


Managing Editor

Alyellontoppscard_small Al Yellon

Front Page Contributors

Primary_fc_small Josh Timmers

Marvin_the_martian_small Shawn Domagal-Goldman

Other Contributors

Dsc_0139_small David Sameshima

Toonmike_small Mike Bojanowski