all the late greats
Hi. I've reading BCB for about two years but I never post. When I selected my username, perhaps 12 to 18 months ago, I chose to reference to an obscure Cub from my own youth, a reliever named Laddie Renfroe. I've also noticed that several other BCB users have chosen similar handles. Specifically, I've seen Gary Varsho, Jerry Mumphrey, and Les Lancaster. I have two questions, not just for those users but for the whole community:
1. Which current Cubs could become similar fan favorites?
2. For those of you that chose a more conventional handle, which player would you have chosen as a similarly beloved Cub from your childhood? Rather, there's only one Ernie Banks (or Sandberg, or Sosa, etc.) but who was your favorite seemingly obscure player?
Here are my own answers...
First, which current Cub might serve as such a touchstone for today's kids? Sam Fuld is my choice. Hustlin' little guy, good glove, and he's both an econ major out of Stanford as well as a former STATS Inc. intern, making him probably the only big leaguer inclined to discuss VORP, WARP, and other all those other metrics that sound like made-up words from `The Princess Bride'. I'm disappointed that he seems to be playing his way off the roster this spring.
Second, I chose Laddie Renfroe as my username because he was a gloriously ridiculous player, he made me laugh, and I distinctly recall being riveted to the TV set during his few appearances, rooting hard for him to succeed. Listed at 5'11", 200 lbs, he was a short, fat, right-handed reliever who threw submarine style. He had coke-bottle glasses and a mustache. He looked like a fat hillbilly version of Dan Quisenberry. Renfroe didn't fare very well with the Cubs, finishing his two-week, four-game career with a 13.50 ERA. From the game logs, it appears that he was the emergency pitcher, the guy you put in when a) everyone else is tired, b) the game is out of hand and nobody needs work, or c) you're not quite ready to put in Doug Dascenzo. He was already 29 years old by that point, and he'd been in the Cubs system for seven years. It's worth noting that he did win 19 games in 1989, leading the minors, throwing 132 innings in 78 appearances for Charlotte, then the Cubs AA affiliate. So he was durable and, at least that year, really lucky. Unfortunately, I can't find a picture online, although I know that he had a baseball card the following year.
As a kid, I also had a special fondness for, in no particular order...
1. Mumphrey.
2. Jeff Pico, he of the debut shut-out.
3. Hector Villaneuva, the BP home run king.
4. Chico Walker, more so for his second go-round with the team. That inside-the-park grand slam is a good memory.
5. Steve Christmas, because it only takes one big hit to make an impression on a young fan.
6. Porfirio Altimirano. If I shut my eyes, I can hear Harry trying in vain to articulate his name.
7. Lloyd McClendon. For 1989 and, later, his literal base stealing.
8. Mike Harkey. Remember how good he looked late in '88?
9. Noce.
10. I could go on forever as it's too hard to choose just ten guys. I just hope that somebody else brings up Steve Rain....or Cuno Barragan....or Rosey Brown...or Henry Cotto...or the jug-eared shortstop from the 1989 Charlotte Knights...
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In addition to Fuld...
Incidentally, here's a picture of Renfroe. This is from a 1988 Iowa Cubs set:

Have we
TUFFY RHODES!
the cajun canecjun
i root for the theriot/fontenot DP combo, both because they've been together for many years and also because and i hope they chatter to each other in bayou french ("et tu" to signal 'you cover' in case of a steal attempt).
is it me, or does fontenot bear a strong resemblance to mickey morandini?...minus the peach-fuzz mustache.
as for the card pic, thanks. the posed delivery is wonderful. he's much skinnier there than i recalled but the set is iowa '88 which would make the photograph from '87, four years earlier than his unfortunate debut.
i think i have a bruce bochte from that iowa '88 set. penguin swag.
upon further inspection...
but somewhere, lurking in a box, is my '88 Iowa Cubs Billy Bathe card. It's only value, except as tinder, is that for 20 years I've been under the impression that Oakland A's traded him to the Cubs for Ron Cey, which would've made him "Penguin Swag" if I hadn't been wrong. So it's worth nothing but aren't most of my old baseball cards? Anybody out there want a 1989 Donruss Drew Hall?
And yeah, Tuffy Rhodes. I recall that Karl "Tuffy" Rhodes became a prodigious power hitter in Japan, which makes me gloomy about those projections for Fukedome to hit 25 homers....290/.330/.435, 12 HR, 70 RBI. The OBP is low because he'll press, have we seen one Japanese hitter in MLB that works the count? In the spirit of comparison, Kosuke will prove to be a Japanese Dave Martinez, fitting as he also wears #1.
Cubs
All-Time Cub: Dave Martinez (my aunt knew him)
Welcome
- Paul Popovich (my first autograph)
- Willie Smith (the '69 home run)
- Nate Oliver (not sure why)
- Carmen Fanzone (great name)
- Joe Wallis (his nickname was Tarzan)
- Pete LaCock (he looked good)
- Ray Burris (I thought he was another Fergie)
All good selections
Wow good names
Paul "super sub" Popovich was one of my favorites as well. Think of him as a poor mans DeRosa.
Willie Smith will always be remembered for the opening day shot in '69. Did not really do much after that.
Funny I do really remember Nate Oliver. Was he a second baseman or catcher. I don't recall.
Pete LaCock's dad was a game show host whose name escapes me.
I thought the same thing about Burris. Very similiar frame to Fergie. Had high hopes for him for that reason alone.
As Bob Hope would say, "thanks for the memories"
Answers
Pete LaCock's dad was Peter Marshall.
As for Popovich, he was a very poor man's DeRosa :-)
Atta
Rick Wilkins, not sure why
by snley @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Mar 11, 2008 10:31 AM CDT reply actions
Wilkins in high school
by dwm on Mar 11, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Doctorate in Statistics?!
Kevin Foster
Cheers
by moldyfolky on Mar 11, 2008 10:44 AM CDT reply actions
Bobby Bonds.
Bonds got hit by a pitch in his very first at-bat as a Cub; it broke his wrist and he was out for two months, coming back after the 1981 strike was over.
He hit well for about 100 plate appearances, hitting .263/.375/.442, and then fell off the table in the last month, hitting .147/.247/.294 in his final 77 PA; his final numbers as a Cub: .215/.323/.380.
Fan Zone for La Cock
- Can anyone give me an eyewitness account of Fanzone playing the national anthem on his trumpet?
- Fanzone isn't dead. Presumably he can still play the trumpet. Could he come out to the park and use his jazz skills to lead us into the seventh inning stretch?
Memories
Not only Nate Oliver, the Cubs also had Gene Oliver - and I remember an overheard conversation at Wrigley where some clueless person was going on about how it was so hard to tell them apart.
For those not of "a certain age", Nate Oliver was a light-hitting speedster, and Gene Oliver was a lumbering catcher. Oh yes, and Nate was a black guy, Gene was white. I still am not sure whether Gene Oliver or Barry Foote was the slowest Cub in my memory.
Also, a now-obscure reliever named Rich Nye - a genuinely nice guy. When we were kids, we'd hang out by the players' lot and harangue them for autographs on their way to their cars. Rich Nye signed regularly. Don Kessinger always seemed to be carrying something...
Rich Nye
by HectorVillanueva on Mar 11, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Slowest?
by moldyfolky on Mar 11, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Don Kessinger always seemed to be carrying
It's the ellipsis that intrigues....
Carrying what exactly? A basketball? Bottle of scotch? His mistress's handbag? Kessinger fans want to know....
Obviously, Big Hector was my fave
I was always the guy on that cusp, right on the edge of making the team or not - right on the edge of starting or sitting, in every sport I played. Usually I was the second best player at my position, and I was smaller than everyone else my age, so I had to fight harder to keep my spot. I think that's why I identified with Hector, Dougie, Sanchez, and Brown.
The other guys just came up with big hits in key situations in moments that, for whatever reason, were particulary memorable to me. A lot of the images in my head from last season are Jacque Jones and Angel Pagan - not the stars, but big moments that stuck in my brain for some reason.
I think all of us like rooting for the little guy, or the nice guy, or the one that took the time to sign an autograph. It's interesting to see though, that most of us stop having these favorites after we grew up - and started watching (and understanding) stats a little more. To me, as a little kid, Henry Cotto and Dave Owen were the go to guys, always ready with a big hit - looking at the numbers, that's not quite so, but at 9, I couldn't figure out why they didn't start.
by HectorVillanueva on Mar 11, 2008 12:08 PM CDT reply actions
Hector
One thing
Closest I came to a player autograph was from...
by Jerry Mumphrey on Mar 11, 2008 12:51 PM CDT reply actions
Being only 16
All-time:
Right now, I'd go with Kerry Wood. When you put what he's done for the Cubs next to the Employee, I have so much respect for the guy.
Funny story
Why was he sitting in the upper deck?
Maybe it was because...
There's nothing quite as awkward as the urinal shout-out...
by Shawon O Meter on Mar 11, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha, I took that into consideration
>8)
by Shawon O Meter on Mar 11, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Damon Berryhill
Now, The Riot.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Mar 11, 2008 3:45 PM CDT reply actions
Probably
by Josh Timmers on Mar 11, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Delino DeShields
AS a kid it was:
Now it's gotta be either Theriot or Murton...
Thad
I wonder how he is doing these days?
I think he was a
He also was a good pianist. I think he might have made an album.
by markleonette on Mar 11, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
There was something
My list is mostly from the 80's
Vance Law - Had such potential with that last name
Jim Sundberg - Short time with Cubs but I still remember the day he hit a Grand Slam in the Bot 8 with the Cubs trailing the Pads 8-4. Cubs go on to win 12-8
Frank DiPino - I especially loved the part where the year after he leaves the Cubs to sign with the Cardinals he has a 2.45 ERA in 67 appearances
by Kyle Turney on Mar 11, 2008 7:37 PM CDT reply actions
Re: DiPino
by Shawon O Meter on Mar 12, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Has anyone mentioned Tarzan Joe Wallis?
After having a decent '76, he faded badly the next year and was traded to Cleveland (which was then like being sent to Siberia) for Mike Vail.
Who I also liked. I thought Vail might have become a good everyday outfielder if they'd just let him play.
Joe Wallis
You think I would have liked Dusty
Others that I liked from that time period: Damon Berryhill, Bob Tewksbury, Bill Landrum. Who can forget the hype that surrounded Lance Dickson's first major league start. Of course, he only made two or three more major league appearances.
Manny Trillo, who I only remember from his second stint with the Cubs as a reserve. Chico Walker, if for no other reason than his name.
Lance Dickson
Dickson got hurt.
Dickson
Trillo
Jerry Martin, a Cub regular in the 70s, also came back for a second stint as a utility guy for the team in the early 80s after spending some time away. I'll always remember his unorthodox batting stance, with the bat high above his head.
Oops!
Jerry Martin
He did in fact turn around and glower at us once or twice.
Yet another Can't Miss
Yes!!
Second, his near-miss no-hitter in 1995. This was so tramatic for me, I still remember every detail. Late September at Wrigley on a cool night against the Cardinals. I was a freshman at Illinois State, watching in my dorm room. Two outs in the ninth, no-hitter on the line, and Bernard Gilkey lines a shot to the right-center field gap that Sammy Sosa dove for (even though he had no shot at it) and it ended up going to the wall for a stand-up triple. The next batter (I remember almost everything, but can't recall who it was) popped up, and the game was over. Complete game, 1 hit shutout. 13 years later, I'm still waiting to see my first Cubs no-hitter. I was so upset I don't think I spoke the entire next day. Overall, he had a good year in '95, and came back with nothing in '96. Even now, re-living it is going to send me back to counseling. :)
Sorry
Sorry again
Well....
And I wouldn't consider them near-misses, but Steve Trachsel took one into the seventh in the 1-game playoff of 1998, and I was in the right field bleachers in 2006 when Sean Marshall took one into the sixth. I still have never seen a Cubs no-hitter. The Milt Pappas game was five years before I was born.
Thanks
I was at the 1998 playoff game where Trachsel pitched no-hit ball, and it was the slowest game I've ever been to. I was applauding when they took him out, because the tension was unbearable and I just wanted the game to end one way or another. The way he was pitching, we might have been there till midnight. Luckily there was a happy ending.
I was one when Pappas pitched that no-hitter, so I, too, have never seen a Cub no-hitter despite the fact that I'm nearly 37. So many close calls over the years, so our luck is bound to change. Of course, with so few pitchers going 9 innings these days in any game, no-hitters are already becoming far less frequent. Seems to me you have to know how to go 9 innings if you're going to pitch a no-hitter. It's one of the reasons I wish managers would let their starters go deeper into games.
I can't believe....
Modern candidates? Well...the recently departed Angel Pagan has one of the great baseball names, so I'll go with him.
by CaughtInTheVines on Mar 11, 2008 10:16 PM CDT reply actions
How about Mandy Colorado?
Obscure guys when I was younger..
Vance Law
Steve Buchelle
Luis Salazaar
Derrick May
i'm glad to see...
Candy "Manny Colorado" Maldonado was the first in an ever-increasing line of Cub players that I simply loathed. I know that I'd been frustrated with players before that, such as Dunston. But Candy came along when I was at the height of adolescense and the innocent optimism of my childhood was rapidly exiting in favor of cynical angst. I recall that the news of his trade broke during a game, so it was announced on the broadcast, and I was overjoyed but also dumbfounded that another team saw fit not just to take Maldonado but GIVE us a player in EXCHANGE for Candy Freaking Maldonado...
...and the icing on that cake was that Glenallen Hill hit like he was Babe Ruth for the rest of that season.
I was at the game...
He hit it in the 6th inning, tying the game at 1. The Cubs won in 13 innings -- it was the first game of a doubleheader. The Cubs also won the second game, which ended about 1:45 am. Bullinger pitched in that game, too, recording his first ML save.
He had two decent years, 1994 and 1995; I always thought he'd become a serviceable 4th or 5th starter, but it never happened.
hmmm
shawon dunston
derrick may
ryno
gracie
rick wilkins
steve buechele (easily my fav)
sosa
derrick may
special random mentions: turk wendell (and his necklace of teeth from animals he killed), brian mcrae and his persistent 5 o'clock shadow, kevin orie aka the next ron santo, and the record holder for wild pitches in an inning: terry adams.
ahhhhh!
Gary Woods, Richie Hebner, Jay Johnstone
I also liked Richie Hebner and Jay Johnstone from that era. Both were happy go lucky players who lightened the atmosphere a bit.
And we can't discount Dave Owen, who got the game-winning hit in the 12-11 "Sandberg game" on June 23, 1984. Can't recall him ever doing much else, but he deserves a footnote in history.
Mike Vail/Jerry Martin
Hey Laddie Renfroe
Doug Dascenzo had to be my favorite super-sub ever. I was actually at a couple of the games where he pitched. After he retired the side in order in his first pitching appearance, he had a look of absolute exuberance on his face as he ran back toward the dugout to be congratulated by all. I can't remember ever seeing a shorter guy on the mound, as he was about my height (5'7). So he's a bit of a hero to me (and maybe to other short guys as well).
I May Be Showing My Age
Great Question
Barry Foot (Foote) I saw him hit a major league pop up that fell in for a single. I was convinced he should have made second.
Didn't Hector homer in his first AB?
Tuffy's quote about hitting 3hr's on opening day (off Doc Gooden) was great...something like, "after the first one I was surprised, the second amazed, after the third one I was scared."
by Lenbob on Mar 12, 2008 10:22 AM CDT reply actions
Villanueva
Julio Zuleta and Roosevelt Brown
More than anybody else, Roosevelt Brown was the guy that I was the most disappointed about him not getting a full-time gig. When Rondell White left, I thought he'd get the LF job, but then Moises came along.... I never was able to really like Moises for that reason.
I guess I also have to include Glenallen Hill on my list. Everytime he came to the plate, I got excited to see how far he might hit the ball, especially after the roof shot.
Obscure names....
Warren Brusstar, George Frazier, Ray Fontenot. (First middle-relievers I remember getting pissed at on a regular basis because they were so bad)
Dave Gumpert. (A decent middle-reliever, as I recall, on a really bad team)
Guy Hoffman (an obscure middle-reliver, and the only reason I remember him was he was the first pitcher I ever saw used as a pinch-runner. I remember asking my father, "Can they do that?")
Steve Christmas (mentioned already, but I specifically remember his one big hit. Harry Caray said something to the effect that he looked like "a kid on Christmas morning.")
Brian Dayett. (First pinch-hit grand slam I ever saw. Played a few years with the Cubs as a decent bench player).
Paul Noce and Mike Brumley (filled in admirably, if not spectacularly, at 2B and SS respectively in 1987 when Sandberg and Dunston got hurt within a few days of each other).
Ray Fontenot's real name was "Silton"...
Julio Zuleta was Pedro Cerrano sprung to life.
Henry Cotto was pretty valuable to the 84 team, as you need a good defensive outfielder if you're starting Moreland and the Sarge out there. For me, I loved him because of the way Milo Hamilton would say name his name. I can't think of way to do it justice in type.
Yeah, that Steve Christmas hit. For the rest of that season, I was always wondering, "where is Steve Christmas?"
Christmas also illustrates a larger point about almost all the really obscure players we've mentioned which is that we remember a specific instance of their success, or failure, or just Harry mispronouncing their name. I can comb through lists of Cub players from the 80s and 90s pick out lots of guys that I don't remember but they're balanced out by the Laddie Renfroes.
Thanks for everybody's submissions, especially the older readers. Like most fan sites, BCB seems to be dominated by folks roughly my own age, say 20-35. Which is why I especially like seeing the references to Al Spangler, Joe Wallis, Rich Nye, etc. For me, part of being a Cub fan was hearing my late father describe the relatively obscure Cubs of his own childhood: Peanuts Lowery, Frankie Baumholtz, and listening on the radio to Toothpick Sam Jones's no-hitter. Even today, I can get my older brother worked up by telling him that Mick Kelleher actually wasn't all that good.
So thanks again.
Gary Scott
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN199204200.shtml
Third baseman that year were Luis Salazar, Chris Jose Viscaino, Chico Walker, Scott, and Doug Stange. Yick.
Schilling
Schilling
Randy Johnson did that...
Maybe
Don't count on it.
(Ready for danimal's diatribe about how pitchers today are wimps...)
Hrumph!
Hector, The Law, and Unforgetable Les
I was also chubby, so of course, Hector Villaneuva was a hero of mine. I had a newspaper picture cut out, enlarged, and pasted on the wall where Andre Dawson was standing at home plate, awaiting a five, after a Mighty Hector home run. I have never seen Hawk smile as big as he did while standing there. It might have been from Hector wobbling around the bases...
And then there is Les Lancaster. Man, he had an awesome '89! I was so proud of him. I just remember thinking so often, before that year, how I was sooooo afraid he'd knee himself in the chin with that weird windup he has. Of course, I don't believe his knee ever came that close to his chin, but man, it was funky. After '89, I just wondered if at some point he actually did, and I missed it.
by JohnMan on Mar 13, 2008 10:10 AM CDT reply actions

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