Open Thread: Cubs vs. Padres, Thursday 3/13, 3:05 CT

by Al Yellon on Mar 13, 2008 10:28 AM CDT in Game Threads

SCOTTSDALE, Arizona -- Sunshine -- check. Warm breezes -- check. No dirty piles of snow and ice -- check.

Got in late yesterday, flight delayed due to Southwest's grounding of 8% of its fleet for inspections; the plane that was supposed to be on my route was one of the grounded planes, so SW had to send another one. Give them credit, at least, for addressing this somewhat efficiently -- I can't see United or American being that proactive.

A few headlines to get you going this morning:

Jay Mariotti on The Trade That Shall Not Be Named. Nothing new here, move along.
The Wrigley Company is actually considering buying the naming rights for Wrigley Field. So -- maybe we'll have "Wrigley Field at Wrigley Field"?
Bruce Miles on Aramis Ramirez hustling, something Bruce says he's been unfairly criticized for supposedly not doing in the past:

Aramis Ramirez, in the seventh inning of a meaningless exhibition game, tags up from second base and hustles into third, making it safely ahead of the tag.

"Yeah, I was flying on the bases," Ramirez said as he entered the clubhouse afterward and shed a dusty uniform.

Actually, nothing's wrong with this picture, but the fact that Ramirez actually "hustled" into a base might surprise some of his harshest critics.

Here's a profile of Lou Cella, the man who created the Harry Caray statue in 1999, and who is working on the Ernie Banks statue that will be unveiled on Opening Day. (Incidentally, I stopped by the ballpark to pick up some tickets at Will Call yesterday before I left for Arizona. The area at Clark & Addison is still all torn up -- they've only got 18 days left, and they've still got a lot of work to do.)
While the Sun-Times today decided to editorialize on a screaming front page about the state's proposed purchase of Wrigley Field (though, as you know, I have changed my mind and agree with them, this seemed less about their righteous outrage and more about selling papers), Blair Kamin, the Tribune's architecture critic, wrote this thoughtful piece about the entire process.

There! That ought to give you enough to talk about for the next few hours, until this afternoon's game, which will feature Jason Marquis facing our old friend Greg Maddux, starts at 3:05 CT. It's on MLB Audio via the MLB.com Mediacenter, but you will hear the Padres announcers. After Maddux the Cubs will face Wil Ledezma, Kevin Cameron and Mike Gardner. Once again, there is no info on the Cubs website about who else will throw today after Marquis. Here's an educated guess: with two consecutive home games today and tomorrow, and then a game in Tucson on Saturday, this would be a good time to have Kerry Wood throw in back-to-back games.

MLB.com Gameday

If you are going to be at the game today and want to give me a donation to bring to the Project 3000 fundraiser tonight, find me on the LF lawn near the scoreboard, and make out your check to "Project 3000".

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Sori #2

I think that means something is up via a trade.

by cozmotaylor on Mar 13, 2008 10:28 AM CDT reply actions

I don't.

Spring training is a time for experimenting. I suspect it won't last more than a few days, if that.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 13, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions

Lineup

I'm worried about Alfonso Soriano. I think there is open question mark about his health. The fact that Piniella is "experimenting" with moving him into the 2 hole is, for me at least, sending off bells that the Cubs are concerned about Soriano's legs. A Soriano that is unable to play "full-tilt" in his accustomed style of play is a problem.

You can label me an alarmist all you want. Yes, I'm concerned there is something not good going on.

by MDBNIU on Mar 13, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions

The last I read

(I can't remember where), Soriana was quoted as saying that he is 100% from a physical standpoint, but just now has to convince his mind that he is 100%. His 85% comment earlier this spring training had to do with him holding himself back out of fear/caution/habit from last year, rather than anything a doctor or trainer told him to do.

This, I think, is understandable, and will correct itself. I imagine it is unusual for a natural, gifted athlete like Soriano to learn to come back from an injury and go full tilt.

Prince Fielder a vegetarian? Run, carrots, run for your lives!

by TC Cubby on Mar 13, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions

sorry, that last part was less than clear

I believe that last year's leg injury was Soriano's first major injury (let me know if I'm wrong). For someone like Soriano who seems be such a natural athlete, I can imagine that being less than 100%, and playing with caution, was a big adjustment psychologically. I would imagine that letting himself go back to full-tilt also takes some getting used to, now that he has experienced an injury.

Prince Fielder a vegetarian? Run, carrots, run for your lives!

by TC Cubby on Mar 13, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions

IIRC

Sori had a fairly significant hamstring pull in Sept. 2004 and missed the last 2-3 weeks of the season. The next ST, he was still favoring his leg and not running full-speed. He admitted that his hesitation was more mental than physical. Once the season started, he was fine and batting lead-off.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Mar 13, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions

Soriano isn't right....

Read Piniella's comments that go along with his discussion of experimenting with Soriano moving into the 2 hole. Suffice to say I think Piniella is sufficiently concerned about the overall health and effectiveness of the $136 million investment in left field.

by MDBNIU on Mar 13, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions

You are the perfect consumer of news.

You overreact to every single news item. If you are buying the papers, they must love you.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 13, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions

Well...

Well, are YOU concerned about Alfonso Soriano? A 30-something muscularly built athlete (and 8 year, $136 million investment) that has started to incur leg problems. Guys of his age and physicical profile who come up with leg problems usually see those leg problems devevelop into issues that hang like a dark cloud over staying active and offensive production.

Yeah, I'm worried. The fact that Piniella is jiggering the top of the lineup in this manner is signal something isn't right. Soriano strongly prefers the lead-off spot and has forever produced best in that spot. You don't "experiment" with moving a franchise player like him down in the order just for the heck of it.

by MDBNIU on Mar 13, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions

"Started to incur leg problems"???

He had an injury last August. It is healed. As noted elsewhere, the problem appears to be more psychological than physical.

If you have evidence to the contrary, please present it. And don't cite one instance of a spring training lineup change as "evidence".

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 13, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions

What's your evidence?

...that it's psychological as opposed to phyiscal? With all due respect you are dismissive of nearly everything that happens in spring training.

by MDBNIU on Mar 13, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions

Almost everything in spring training...

...is dismissable, and I hate agreeing with you, but here goes. From Carrie Muskat:

Soriano was projected as the Cubs' No. 1 hitter, but Piniella said the change may benefit the left fielder because, this way, he won't be at high risk.

"We want to keep him in the lineup," Piniella said Wednesday. "Last year, he was out a few times with the leg pulls. If you talk to him now, he's 80, 85 percent. Put it this way -- out of the two-hole, it might be easier for him to not have to run as much. We're just going to look at it."

Piniella didn't tell Soriano about the change until they were in the dugout before Wednesday's game against the Rangers, a 5-4 Texas win. The Cubs medical staff has suggested such a switch as well. Soriano tried to run on his own on Tuesday and was thrown out.

Emphasis added.

I'm pretty sure this means the Cubs are going to look at moving Soriano off the leadoff spot, just like they moved him back to left field. Now, does that mean that Ryan Theriot will spend the whole season leading off?

Let's just say, I hope not.

But there's more going on here than it seems at first blush, I think.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 13, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions

re: Almost everything in spring training...

In the business world, this would be referred to as "risk management." In any case, I'm still not sure this indicates that Soriano has leg problems, just that the Cubs are trying to do everything possible to prevent him from having leg problems. The difference, I suppose, is negligible.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Mar 13, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions

sure...

except that one is essentially preventative maintenance -- like getting the oil changed in your car -- and the other is essentially repair -- getting your motor replaced because you -forgot- to get the oil changed in your car.

One is routine. Nothing to panic over. The other is a massive undertaking with a high cost, and us usually unexpected, creating lots of panic.

Since the trainers in Arizona aren't running around like the Keystone Kops, I'm betting is the former -- routine -- rather than the latter -- PANIC!

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 13, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions

With more respect...

than you deserve...

you've framed everything in ST as if it were happening in the regular season
made mountains out of molehills regarding lineups that may or may not come to pass
generally scolded those of us who have a positive outlook about the team in general
bemoaned the as yet unconfirmed "bad things" that you say are happening

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 13, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions

Loud, sustained applause.

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 13, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions

I suspect that you really...

are blowing this out of proportion. Soriano incurred a fairly common leg injury last year with the quad, and took a secondary injury as a result of coming back too soon. His power numbers were fantastic last year after returning, and he acknowledges that most of the issues are in his head. He looks a bit tentative yes, but until (if?) you see him hesitate to leg out extra bases, or lose some speed in the gaps, or this becomes a permanent lineup, you might be jumping the gun.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 13, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions

re: Well...

I just think your language is too strong. I would amend "...jiggering the top of the lineup in this manner is a signal something isn't right" to "...jiggering the top of the lineup in this manner could signal something isn't right." And, yeah, it could. It could also signal a variety of other things.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Mar 13, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions

Bah Humbug

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 13, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions

3 years from now..........................

I wonder how we will all feel about the 136 M $ man..............

I am betting we'll all be begging to get him out of here

by plenz on Mar 13, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions

OR MAYBE

He will blossom, put on some more muscle and hits 50+ bombs and drive in 120 runs while stealing 5-10 bases a year.

IT HAPPENS

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 13, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions

Hmmm...

Will his head stay the same size, though?

"Kosuke draws a walk" is music to my ears.

by cubbybear on Mar 13, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions

If ........

.....we win the World Series between now and then, I WON"T CARE ABOUT him being an overpaid free-swinger!!

"Here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: If you're alive it isn't". ~ Richard Bach

by BigZ 4 Cy on Mar 13, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions

re: Soriano isn't right....

Lou's comments don't necessarily negate the idea that Soriano is fine but simply being extra cautious with his legs after last year's injuries. I agree with TC Cubby's assessment that Soriano's "problem" (if you can even call it that) is more psychological than physical. Bear in mind that Soriano did try to steal a base a day or two ago, and he hit his first home run yesterday. His legs are probably fine. Lou might just be trying to buy Soriano some time to get comfortable before moving him back to the lead-off spot. Or he could just be experimenting with the lineup the way many managers do during spring training.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Mar 13, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions

Loud, sustained applause

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 13, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions

Please don't simply

regurgitate what you hear on The Score and ESPN.

"It's that wonderul relief that comes when they stop hitting you in the head with a hammer."

by lostinthevines on Mar 13, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions

Selling Papers

Yeah, I agree that the Sun-Times was trying to draw attention to itself this morning. And it certainly drew me in. I bought the paper for the first time in weeks. And they definitely need to sell papers. If they can do it by drawing attention to an issue on which politicians and other media have been spreading misinformation and propaganda then I'm all for it. "Objectivity" is overrated in a world of slimy politicians and people like Sam Zell.

by ms9av on Mar 13, 2008 10:35 AM CDT reply actions

Good lord...

less than two months ago Mariotti was writing scathing pieces about the steroid taint on Roberts, and how the Cubs needed to wise up and stay away. Now he's the key to ending a century of suffering. I look at the quality of press today, and truly want to weep.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 13, 2008 11:02 AM CDT reply actions

And just so no one thinks...

that I'm taking cheap shots, from his 1/10/2008 article:

"We have reached a fascinating juncture, then, as baseball observers. Facing Cubdom is an ethical debate far removed from the usual beertap arguments, such as when a manager should pull a starting pitcher or if the girl in the halter top looks better than the girl in the t-shirt. What is more important: (a) trying to win your first World Series in 100 years by acquiring an elite leadoff hitter and second baseman, which would let Lou Piniella drop Alfonso Soriano to third in the batting order and create a powerful lineup; or (b) maintaining integrity as an organization during a scandalous period in baseball history?

I choose integrity."

Sure you do Jay.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 13, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions

The classic columnist approach...

Vehemently say one thing. Then, a few months later, say the opposite. That way, six months to a year after that, you can go back and say "see, this is what I said X months ago..." and be right, either way.

by SouthernCub on Mar 13, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions

Hey he's under a lot of pressure

to come up with a column every day. It's twice as easy is you take both sides of an argument.

;-)

"It's that wonderul relief that comes when they stop hitting you in the head with a hammer."

by lostinthevines on Mar 13, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions

LOL

You speak the truth, my friend.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Mar 13, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions

Wrigley Field name

from what I was reading the other day William Wrigley Jr. was saying that they don't advertise the wrigley name. They advertise the individual brands. with that being said here are couple possibilities

Big Red Park @ Wrigley Field (reminds me of the cards though)
Eclipse Stadium @ Wrigley Field
Altoids Park @ Wrigley Field

or my favorite

Hubba Bubba Park @ Wrigley Field.

click here to see more Wrigley Products.

AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Mar 13, 2008 11:04 AM CDT reply actions

Gotta go w/ the natural fit

Big League Chew Park at Wrigley Field! Welcome to the Big League

by snley @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Mar 13, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions

i thought about that one too

that seemed too obvious though.

AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Mar 13, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions

Southwest is being proactive?

They grounded these planes after the FAA fined them $10 million for flying aircraft that they knew had not been inspected.

by paulsbeard on Mar 13, 2008 11:20 AM CDT reply actions

All I was saying was...

... in comparison to American and United, they worked fast to fix the problem and had minimal disruption to their flight schedule. I'd think that AA and/or UA would have stonewalled this as long as possible, cancelled hundreds of flights and inconvenienced as many people as they possibly could.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 13, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions

The way I saw it

The news about a possible fine was about 2 weeks ago, the news they were actually fined was about 1 week ago... they've spent the max amount of time possible working out this solution and also delayed it as long as possible.

UA/AA would of done exactly the same thing because it's a non-issue if there aren't massive flight cancellations... meaning no nasty TV news stories.

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Mar 13, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions

My thoughts...

Go Wrigley Co go! This will take care of all the arguing and division of fans.

I think Soriano should be lower in the order than #2 regardless of his health status.

I really like Harry's statue from the knees up, not so certain how I feel about the area below that. Hopefully Ernie Banks' is classy like that but good below the knees too.

"The only way to prove that you're a good sport is to lose." ~ Ernie Banks

by love the ivy on Mar 13, 2008 11:29 AM CDT reply actions

Wrigley buying the rights

This is about the only way that naming rights can be sold without a huge backlash against the company that purchases them.

I swear that I will only buy Wrigley-branded gum for as long as they are the naming rights holders! (Assuming they don't come up with an awkward name like, Wrigley Ballpark at Wrigley Field, and just leave the name alone!)

GOATBUSTERS! - I ain't afraid of no goat!

by gjdow on Mar 13, 2008 11:32 AM CDT reply actions

Jeff Gordon

Maybe Jeff Gordon can buy the naming rights and change it to Wrigley Stadium.

by Aaron @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Mar 13, 2008 11:38 AM CDT reply actions

hahaha

that was good, i laughed.

Bill James Felix Pie 2008 Projection: .283/.333/.456 16 HR 21 SB

by kylejo on Mar 13, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions

Had to dig deep for that one.

I laughed, too

"It's that wonderul relief that comes when they stop hitting you in the head with a hammer."

by lostinthevines on Mar 13, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions

Psychology

There may be psychology going on in this line up stuff, but it may not really be about Soriano feeling cautious or unready to run in the lead off spot. Maybe Lou is using the legs as an excuse to prepare Soriano for a permanent change following a trade that is coming. So instead of being moved out of his cherished 1-hole because Roberts is here, he is being told that it's because his legs may not be 100%. It gets Lou off the hook if he can blame Soriano's legs instead of his OBP, sidestepping the ego/mental block.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 11:51 AM CDT reply actions

Southwest is more proactive than United?

Apparently not proactive enough to check their planes for safety.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 13, 2008 12:29 PM CDT reply actions

Yes, for the fact that...

... they got this all done in one day.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 13, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Lou wastes no time with lineup

Pads
Crabbe, SS
Gonzalez, 3B
Gerut, CF
Bard, C
McAnulty, LF
Fick, 1B
Ambres, RF
McDougall, 2B
Maddux, P

Cubs
Theriot, SS
Soriano, LF
Lee, 1B
Ramirez, 3B
Fukudome, RF
DeRosa, 2B
Soto, C
Fuld, CF
Marquis, P

by Bruce Miles on Mar 13, 2008 12:46 PM CDT reply actions

Thanks Bruce

Are you jumping off a ledge like everyone else over this lineup?

ITS SPRING TRAINING. Just like Sam Fuld being in that lineup, its SPRING TRAINING.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 13, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions

No, stay tuned

Lou changes his mind day to day, so there's no reason to jump off buildings _ yet.

by Bruce Miles on Mar 13, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions

Lou

is some version of a dad, coach and therapist. I trust him.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 13, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions

That Padres lineup must be a joke...

You sure that isn't for a minor league game today?

by Damen Jackson on Mar 13, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions

There's a good reason

Many of the Padres are in China playing the Dodgers.

by Bruce Miles on Mar 13, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions

I know...

I just didn't realize that their bench was quite so....thin.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 13, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions

Unfortunately for them...

it's not a joke...

Edmonds is hurt (calf) again.
They have NO IDEA who the LF will be yet.
Giles is always on again/off again and needs days off during the regular season. So the entire outfield is a coin toss for them right now.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 13, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions

Actually,

Chase Hedley has the inside track on being the starter in LF.

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Mar 13, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions

Yeah...

but with an entire 18 ML ABs as his only experience, I don't think Black is writing his name in pen on the lineup cards just yet.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 13, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions

True dat.

But if there is anyone else, I have not heard. (BTW I am in SD.)

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Mar 13, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions

Where bouts?

I live in the Kearny Mesa area...just across Genesse from Mesa College.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 13, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Sorrento Valley

so we are neighbors practically!

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Mar 13, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions

BTW

The Chase Hedley info is according to Lee "Hacksaw" Hamilton

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on Mar 13, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Whenever I hear someone

being overly-critical of Hendry, I think of the Fathers offering actual money to Edmonds.

"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen

by BlueSox on Mar 13, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions

re: Lou wastes no time with lineup

D'oh -- why didn't someone tell me Maddux was pitching today? Sweet. (Ahem, I hope he does terribly, of course.) I also assume we'll see Michael Barrett at some point.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Mar 13, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions

It will be

interesting to see how Marquis does today.

by sue369 on Mar 13, 2008 12:58 PM CDT reply actions

An audition, maybe?

"It's that wonderul relief that comes when they stop hitting you in the head with a hammer."

by lostinthevines on Mar 13, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions

Possibly.

by sue369 on Mar 13, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions

I guess its possible,

its just that every time he pitches its called "an audition". Speaking of auditions, when is Sean Marshall scheduled to pitch again?

by philadelphiacub on Mar 13, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions

My SWA plane

had better be juiced up and ready to fly with no cracks. I land tomorrow at 12:15 and I'm heading to the game, would like to land early so I don't miss much. Like Al, I trust SWA to fix things right the first time.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Mar 13, 2008 1:06 PM CDT reply actions

Red Sox

According to XM Radio Curt Schilling will go on the 60 Day DL. If they were interested in Jason Marquis in the past, one imagines that this increases the likelihood of a deal.

DmL

by dmlichte on Mar 13, 2008 1:12 PM CDT reply actions

Maybe...

I have to believe though that they'll give Colon every chance to take that spot first.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 13, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions

The Red Sox...

... have not gotten to where they are by depending on scrap heap projects like Bartolo Colon. Colon may be a nice bonus if he does something but that organziation is not going to expect him to do anything.

DmL

by dmlichte on Mar 13, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions

How much gum is a lot?

A lot of gum is $400,000,000 X However much it costs per pack = Does the Wrigley Company have enough money?

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 13, 2008 1:55 PM CDT reply actions

I can see it now....

Bulls 402 ta zip... but Micheal Jordan will be held to under 200 points. - Todd O'Connor

by Lou In Blue on Mar 13, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Please Help Me with LOU ???

I have been traveling for 2 weeks. Sorry I could not get to AZ to see some games,

This might be old news but why is LOU upset that the BIG 5 are not getting AB's this spring.

Who makes up the Spring Training line up, AL ???

At times I wonder what is going on inside Lou's head when he makes statements

Thanks

by parrotinct on Mar 13, 2008 2:40 PM CDT reply actions

The lineups are made up by Bruce Miles..

....well not really. I love Lou, hes like a crazy uncle that appears crazy but is actually very pensive.

I DONT KNOW WHAT HES DOING, but I believe he knows what he is doing.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 13, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions

Well so far...

Soriano had his "non-displaced" broken finger

DeRosa had the heart issue

Ramirez had the sore shoulder

but I don't know what Lee's problem has been

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 13, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions

Is Gameday down...

...for everyone?

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Mar 13, 2008 3:08 PM CDT reply actions

Not working for me

n/t

Bulls 402 ta zip... but Micheal Jordan will be held to under 200 points. - Todd O'Connor

by Lou In Blue on Mar 13, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions

fjdkls

nope........:(

by luv4cubs2 on Mar 13, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions

Just got here

Crabbe on third, two outs, Bard up.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:11 PM CDT reply actions

Bard strikes out - end of inning

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:13 PM CDT reply actions

Theriot leads off with a single up the middle

Maddux already let the ump know he's squeezing him on calls.

Theriot steals second, Bard doesn't even throw

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:17 PM CDT reply actions

Cubs 1-0

Theriot steals third,
Bard throws ball into outfield.

j/k ;)

"Trapled moss on your souls; changes all you're a part; seen it all, not at all; can't defend a (Cubs fan)"- pearl jam

by section229beer on Mar 13, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions

re: Cubs 1-0

Were it Barrett behind the plate, I'd believe you.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Mar 13, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions

Bard is horrible at throwing out basestealers.

Worst qualified catcher in the NL. Widen up our query just a bit, and Bard still is right there with Kendall and Barrett.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 13, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions

Isn't the game scoreless?

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Mar 13, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions

section229...

was kidding...

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 13, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions

john M

are you at the ballpark?

by xene on Mar 13, 2008 3:18 PM CDT reply actions

I wish

just listening to MLB audio - Padres announcers

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions

Thank you

John for doing the PBP.

by sue369 on Mar 13, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Sori robbed of a base hit near 3rd base.

Theriot draws a pick-off throw to 2nd.

by zevkalman on Mar 13, 2008 3:20 PM CDT reply actions

The real gameday url is:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/y2007/gd.html?2008_03_13_sdnmlb_chnmlb_1&brand=mlb

by play it as it lies on Mar 13, 2008 3:21 PM CDT reply actions

Sweet, thanks!

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Mar 13, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions

DLee robbed of a base hit

Mad Dog takes a hit away from Lee.

I didn't know DLee started out in the San Diego system--that's what the announcers said.

by zevkalman on Mar 13, 2008 3:22 PM CDT reply actions

good stuff john

keep it coming because the gameday server caught on fire.

by xene on Mar 13, 2008 3:23 PM CDT reply actions

Could you imagin

Maddux pitching, Kendell catching....This just in ID STEAL A BASE

FYI----I love Greg Maddux

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 13, 2008 3:23 PM CDT reply actions

Between me and zevkalman

and the new gameday link, we got you covered.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:24 PM CDT reply actions

and dat daver will chime in

when something good happens - he does "fair weather PBP"

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions

re: and dat daver will chime in

Yep, that's me. Mr. Sunshine.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Mar 13, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions

I was thinking more like

"glory hound" :-)

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions

Mr. Sunshine?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 13, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions

That was extactly what I pctured when he posted

that I though, gee, if I knew how to post pix, and had a pic like that, I'd post it.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions

re: Mr. Sunshine?

Oh, great. Now I have Teletubbies on the brain.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Mar 13, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions

Aram

flies out to the right field wall - inning over

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:24 PM CDT reply actions

Gameday...

says all the pitches...ball and strikes...are right down the middle above the belt. Why are they even showing the pitches?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 13, 2008 3:25 PM CDT reply actions

Because that's how they're inputting the data.

They use the data for other purposes, like the post-game box score. It's not meant to be used for Gameday just yet.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 13, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions

Rammy doing a good job of tiring out Maddux

Count is full and then Ramirez hits a ball that's caught at the warning track.

I'm glad the Padre announcers mentioned that Dome chose not to go there.

by zevkalman on Mar 13, 2008 3:25 PM CDT reply actions

Sori's move downward

even if its one spot is the prelude to a certain deal coming, at least I can hope. My guess its Lou's work and pressure on Jimbo to get that deal done.

I know there's others here that don't want that deal to happen and thats fine.

Mac, Jurko and Harry right now are talking about the interview where Sori was quoted of saying he wouldn't bunt in the #2 hole. I have a problem with that. I hope this signing won't come back to haunt the Cubs.

by blackhawk24 on Mar 13, 2008 3:27 PM CDT reply actions

Way to pitch around...

the career minor leaguer Jason.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 13, 2008 3:28 PM CDT reply actions

Marquis walksMcAnulty

And the evil Fick has taken two balls already

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:28 PM CDT reply actions

Fick GIDP 3-6-3

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:29 PM CDT reply actions

3-6-3 DOUBLE PLAY!!!

WOO HOO!!!

(See?)

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Mar 13, 2008 3:29 PM CDT reply actions

What type of man are you? We all know

<img src="http://www.conservativeoutpost.com/files/u3/Glass_half_full.jpg<img src="

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 13, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions

SONOFA

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 13, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions

I'd prefer this...

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Mar 13, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions

Ja!

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions

HAHA

But that annoys me when you order a beer and when the foam settles its half empty---never half full because youre so annoyed. Then you drink it anyways

That kind of looks like Jessica Simpson

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 13, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions

My cup runneth over...

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 13, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions

My cup is 100% full

Heyyyooooooooo

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 13, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions

I prefer the fraulein's cups (above)

to yours.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions

Pads strand two - middle of inning

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:34 PM CDT reply actions

Trib and Sun-Times articles

talk about two different things. Kamen's article is about the improvements that Wrigley would get and the Sun-Times article is about how bad a deal for IL taxpayers this scam would be.

Only for about 1 paragraph did I have any objection with what the Sun-Times wrote. Yes, I'm sure that the Sun-Times would stick it to the Trib whenever they get the chance, but in this case, they are absolutely right. I don't care if the Sun-Times did it to serve their own self-interest, but the fact remains that the public's interest was well served by that article. I'm grateful there will be more which, hopefully, will go to the heart of why IL is trying to go forward with this scam at such a precarious time from a tax perspective.

by NO100 on Mar 13, 2008 3:36 PM CDT reply actions

Pads announcers

really jealous the Cubs signed Dome.

Dome grounded out.

Derosa doubled.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:37 PM CDT reply actions

Hey, I think that was...

...DeRo's first hit. (He just doubled, no outs.)

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Mar 13, 2008 3:37 PM CDT reply actions

Who else thinks...

Andy Masur is very bland? I miss Pat and Ron.

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on Mar 13, 2008 3:40 PM CDT reply actions

Didn't even realize

that was him. If so, he's not as horribly bland as he used to be, but yes, still dull as dishwater.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions

"Clothesline" Fick

When did that scumbag become a Padre? As far as I'm concerned, he shouldn't have a job in MLB after what he did to Karros in the 2003 playoffs. He could have broken Karros' neck. Too bad pitchers can't throw inside any more without getting ejected. He would be lucky to ever get a good foothold in the batter's box against Cubs pitchers.

by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Mar 13, 2008 3:43 PM CDT reply actions

I remember

At Comiskey he got ejected for something and fans dumped beer on his head while leaving through the bullpen

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 13, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions

history lesson

for us rusty on Cubs Lore, can you fill in some details on what happened back in 2003?

by Gucci on Mar 13, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions

During the 2003 playoffs against Atlanta...

...Karros was playing first and Fick was running out a grounder. When he got to first, he stuck out his forearm and clotheslined Karros, knocking him down. It was the dirtiest play I've ever witnessed in a MLB game. And there's no way it was an accident.

by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Mar 13, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions

Uh...

" Braves first baseman Robert Fick was fined Sunday for for clubbing Chicago's Eric Karros with a forearm in Game 4 of Atlanta's NL playoff series against the Cubs.

Fick

Fick said the fine was $25,000.

In a separate disciplinary move, Atlanta manager Bobby Cox also fined Fick. The amount of that fine was not disclosed.

Although Fick was the opposite of apologetic after Saturday's game, he did try to explain himself before Sunday's Game 5.

"It's an elimination game and you've got to do what you've got to do," Fick said in a profanity-laced tirade Saturday. "I'm not saying I did it on purpose. But it's ... baseball."

.....
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2003/news/story?id=1631185

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions

Frickin' Fick...

...what an idiot.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Mar 13, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Fick just oozes class

Or maybe he just oozes...I hadn't heard that story, but it just re-enforces my opinion of him.

by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Mar 13, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions

thank you for the info.

I can understand the animosity towards Fick!

by Gucci on Mar 13, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions

The only Cubs left from then

are Wood, Z and Ramirez. Karros is long retired. I'm sure it's not on anyone's mind (except ours).

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions

Fukudome makes great catch at the wall

to rob Gerut of a home run - inning over

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:48 PM CDT reply actions

Dome brings the leather!!!

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Mar 13, 2008 3:48 PM CDT reply actions

Poor Jessica

Maddux leaves game early, possibly due to taking a D Lee grounder off his body earlier in the game...

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:52 PM CDT reply actions

Marquis walks on 4 pitches

emergency pitcher has no control

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:53 PM CDT reply actions

Strike zone

On game-day it appears the high pitch is inconsistently called either a ball or a strike (though game-day is likely not 100% accurate with its green and red dots!)

Have the announcers said anything regarding the strike zone?

by Gucci on Mar 13, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions

Only thing I picked up was

that Maddux complained about the zone, but that was on the first batter of the game.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions

Theriot ground out but Marquis advanced

then Soriano singled - run runners at first and third, one out

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:57 PM CDT reply actions

D-Lee GIDPee

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 3:59 PM CDT reply actions

Lees scuffling

better bat him 2nd

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 13, 2008 3:59 PM CDT reply actions

Or platoon him with DWaryle

by Jerry Mumphrey on Mar 13, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions

Another leaping catch at the wall

this time by Super Fuld

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 4:03 PM CDT reply actions

When will Wood pitch?

My gameday won't start. I have no clue what's going on.

by IllinoisCubs on Mar 13, 2008 4:08 PM CDT reply actions

Gameday thread on homepage not working...

But there's a link above titled the real gameday link is.

"Trapled moss on your souls; changes all you're a part; seen it all, not at all; can't defend a (Cubs fan)"- pearl jam

by section229beer on Mar 13, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions

new gameday link

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/y2007/gd.html?2008_03_13_sdnmlb_chnmlb_1&brand=mlb

by xene on Mar 13, 2008 4:09 PM CDT reply actions

Bull pen

Has there been any mention of activity in the Cubs' bullpen?

by Gucci on Mar 13, 2008 4:10 PM CDT reply actions

I hope not...

Jason has only thrown about 51 pitches...it's time to see these guys start throwing more than that at a time.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 13, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions

good thought...

though, it appears Marquis will be taken out.

by Gucci on Mar 13, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions

DeRosa 2 for 2

runners at first and third, 1 out

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 4:10 PM CDT reply actions

Geo's on

bases loaded for Fuld!

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 13, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Walk,

Fuld up

by cubs ftw on Mar 13, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply actions

Old announcer (not Masur)

just said Marquis may be a better hitter than Fuld. He may be right, but you don't usually hear "baseball people" say such things.

Soto walked, based juiced for Lil Sammy

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply actions

Fuld sac fly to left

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 4:14 PM CDT reply actions

Fontenot batting for Marquis

6-4 sharp hit great play by SS. Inning over, 1-0 Cubs.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 4:15 PM CDT reply actions

Lohse to Cards

Haven't seen this around here, but it's on the mlb.com homepage.

That pitching staff is going for the old, rag-arm award.

"Trapled moss on your souls; changes all you're a part; seen it all, not at all; can't defend a (Cubs fan)"- pearl jam

by section229beer on Mar 13, 2008 4:17 PM CDT reply actions

That's actually a real good move for them.

I still don't expect them to seriously contend, but I'm even more convinced they'll finish better than the Astros.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 13, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions

Does this make Lohse their current #1?

Both Astros and Cards have pitching staffs comparable to the Cubs at the end of 06. Lots of ?s, both from youngsters and injured vets.

I think the astros line up and thier home park will eek out a couple more wins than the cards. but I don't think we'll be paying much serious attention to either team other than to raid a roster in a trade.

"Trapled moss on your souls; changes all you're a part; seen it all, not at all; can't defend a (Cubs fan)"- pearl jam

by section229beer on Mar 13, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions

Lohse is better then what they have

but he still isn't a very good pitcher. His career numbers are pretty much Jason Marquis. He will give them innings and probably have a era around 4.40-4.50 but he isn't going to make them all that much better then they are right now.

by cubsfan25 on Mar 13, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions

I disagree.

Considering that they were looking at having Wellemeyer as their #3 starter... yeah, Lohse is a real catch for them.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 13, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions

I agree he was better then what

they have. But Lohse isn't that good of a pitcher. Adding a 4th or 5th starter to their rotation will help compare to the garbage they have. But even with Lohse their a 70 something win team, and with a guy like Wellemeyer or any other young pitcher they could have possibly been worse.

by cubsfan25 on Mar 13, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions

Shawn Marshall in

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 4:18 PM CDT reply actions

He spells it Sean, though, doesn't he?

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 4:18 PM CDT reply actions

yes - according to Gameday

by Gucci on Mar 13, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions

Does he also spell it

"I just gave up a home-run to Marshall McDougal"?

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 13, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions

seAAAn

the way he's pitching today given the competition for a roster spot, i think his name needs a couple more As.

"Trapled moss on your souls; changes all you're a part; seen it all, not at all; can't defend a (Cubs fan)"- pearl jam

by section229beer on Mar 13, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions

He did get out of the inning

but then again, it is a roster of no-names he's facing.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions

Marquis audition?

I'm happy with Marquis' pitching today.
I wonder how the scouts feel?

by Gucci on Mar 13, 2008 4:19 PM CDT reply actions

SI article just posted

Not much new, but mentions "Orioles scout Dave Engle is practically living here at the Cubs' HoHoKam Park " and that Marquis may be in a deal if Payton comes with Roberts. None of this is new. Sorry for even bringing it up.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/03/13/heyman.cubslineup/

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions

The past few days I can count two small vices

I have...

Reading all I can about the Cubs trading for He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named.
Seeing all the pictures I can of Kristen ... the Governor's liason ....

by zevkalman on Mar 13, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions

Old Padres announcer

thinks it's "Ryan Terry-on"

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 4:26 PM CDT reply actions

And he keeps saying it

over and over. And Masur does not correct him.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions

It's driving me crazy.

Also, Air-i-mis

by cubs ftw on Mar 13, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions

He's not spelling Soriano backwards, is he?

I miss Harry.

"Kosuke draws a walk" is music to my ears.

by cubbybear on Mar 13, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions

He also questioned...

why the Cardinals would let go of such a valuable piece in Marquis? You're past your prime Old Man.

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on Mar 13, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions

You mean

Hall of Famer Jerry Coleman?

by Kornchex on Mar 13, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions

Will D Lee

hit it out of the infield this time?

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 4:32 PM CDT reply actions

Nope

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions

Whod you rather have?

Lohse or Marquis?

Lohse
63-74
4.82

Marquis
68-61
4.56

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 13, 2008 4:34 PM CDT reply actions

Lohe has better stuff but there the same

Lohse is a solid 4th or 5th starter(like Marquis), the problem is he's the Cardinals current number 2 starter. With guys like Looper being number 3, Pineiro number 4(think he's hurt though), and Reyes number 5. Then their hoping Mulder and Clement will come back at some point and give them something.

by cubsfan25 on Mar 13, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions

They're remarkably similar...

Marquis and Lohse both have career average ERA+ stats of 95 through 98.

But Lohse signing for the Cardinals today at $4 million is a bargain.

An open invitation to visit Des Moines and watch the Iowa Cubs...

by IowaCubs- on Mar 13, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions

Aahh! But Marquis is a better batter!!

...he batted .310 with the Cardinals in 2005!

An open invitation to visit Des Moines and watch the Iowa Cubs...

by IowaCubs- on Mar 13, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions

ERA+

Lohse
100-07
78-06
106-05
89-04

Marquis

101-07
74-06
102-05
115-04

So ERA+ wise these guys are also very simliar pitchers. The Cardinals are getting him at 1y 4-5m so he's a much better bargin then Marquis was. But Hendry had money to burn last year and needed a innings eating SP so Marquis got lucky to get his contract. Sadly now we have better SP options so we want to get rid of that contract, and will probably have to eat a few million to do it.

by cubsfan25 on Mar 13, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions

ERA+ doesn't measure team defense.

n/t

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 13, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions

So...

using FIP...

Marquis
2004 4.43
2005 4.88
2006 5.94
2007 4.92

Lohse
2004 5.09
2005 4.49
2006 4.34
2007 4.53

Meh...

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 13, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions

If you weight the most recent seasons more...

...there's more to like with Lohse than Marquis. It's damning with faint praise, but that was the question so I answered it.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 13, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions

I know

I recall the Twins teams Lohse was on to be pretty good defensivly, but I could be wrong. Maybe the last year and half he hasn't been on strong defensive teams. But I don't know good this years Cardinals teams defense will be either. With a hurt Pujols at 1st, Glaus at 3rd and who knows if Izturis/Kennedy will hit enough to stay in the line-up. Brendan Ryan and Aaron Miles could steal a bunch of time from them.

by cubsfan25 on Mar 13, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions

I normally look at three years of data.

And so mostly I looked at his time with the Reds (awful defense, hitter's park) and then the Phillies (pretty much the same).

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 13, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions

Lohse, off the top of my head.

He's put up pretty similar numbers in tougher parks with a worse defense behind him than Marquis.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 13, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions

Theriot

How about the announcers for the Padres decide how they want to prounce his name and stick to it even if it's wrong.

by ak123 on Mar 13, 2008 4:37 PM CDT reply actions

Sean Marshall is showing some good stuff

n/t

by zevkalman on Mar 13, 2008 4:39 PM CDT reply actions

Old Man Announcer:

"I was there the day the Yankees signed him"

Who was he talking about?

Tony Kubek

This guy's gotta be way older than my Dad, and he's 74.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 4:40 PM CDT reply actions

I hate these announcers...

I thought Dome got a HR from what they were saying...then as an afterthought about a minute later they said that Hunter caught it.

by zevkalman on Mar 13, 2008 4:43 PM CDT reply actions

Baltimore was hoping to sign Lohse

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 4:48 PM CDT reply actions

The old guy..

that's bothering you all is Jerry Coleman. And yes, he should have stopped 7 years ago. You should hear him absolutely butcher some of the play calling during the regular season here in San Diego. He's a cartoon on the radio, and it's annoying.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 13, 2008 4:51 PM CDT reply actions

Walk, error, base hit, run.

all with two outs. Lou will be pissed.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 4:53 PM CDT reply actions

Crabbe...

is 3-4 today...so maybe he's just smart-hacking his way onto the 25 man roster.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 13, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions

Ah...

the old BB-E6-1B(CF) strategy.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 13, 2008 4:55 PM CDT reply actions

RBI single for 'Terry-on'

and the game is tied at 2

by cubs ftw on Mar 13, 2008 5:02 PM CDT reply actions

Nobody wants to win this thing -)

Both teams keep tying it up.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions

I bet...

Lou and MDBNIU do.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 13, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions

Book it.

by sue369 on Mar 13, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions

Nobody is talking about it

because alot of Cubs fans dislike him, but Theriot is having a very very good spring. It's funny if Pie or Soto were hitting that well everyone would be raving about it. But since most people don't like Theriot they just don't mention it because they don't wanna say anything good about the guy. Or think it's a fluke because the guy couldn't possibly improve as a hitter, or could he? Personally I don't like to be biased, and I root for all the Cubs younger players to improve, and Theriot is still young enough to improve.

by cubsfan25 on Mar 13, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions

You're so right

people let their biases affect things too much. Maybe he IS the best option on the current roster to lead off...better than Soriano!

All we are saying...is give Pie a chance.

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Mar 13, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions

I think it's a fluke because all spring training..

...stats are flukes. They're meaningless.

And Murton's having roughly the same spring as Theriot, and you hardly hear anything about it. I'm of the mind that you're very unlikely to learn something new about a player in spring training. It is what it is.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 13, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions

I agree

but it's good to see a younger hitter doing well no matter if it's spirng training or not. The point I was trying to make is if Cedeno was doing this well, people would say bench Theriot. I even bet there would be talk about Murton if the Cubs had a postion for him to play. If Pie or Soto were hitting this well people would be talking about how there going to put up huge numbers this season and stuff like that. Of course spring training numbers are often a fluke thing, but that doesn't stop most fans getting hyped up over the players. But since most fans are kinda biased and dislike Theriot after one full big league season, there is no hype for his huge spring.

by cubsfan25 on Mar 13, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions

So who...

are we going ga-ga over? I'm sorry...I just don't see, hear, or read what your describing. We've all been pretty impressed with Fukudome's approach at the plate, Fuld's defense, and Wood's fastball. Other than that, I haven't seen too much in the way of what your talking about.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 13, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions

Not so much on this board

but it's a common thing I see Cubs fans do from posting on Cubs scout board, and reading stuff here or there on NSBB or Cubs Prosportsdaily board.

by cubsfan25 on Mar 13, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions

I don't think...

anyone who follows baseball with any regularity would "rave" (good or bad) about any players ST stats. Unless you like other people to make fun of you. It's ST...chill.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 13, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions

Cubs fans dislike Theriot?

by cubs ftw on Mar 13, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions

I suppose we do...

since we're not all slobbering over him and organizing the push to get him elected to the All-Star team this year.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 13, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions

The common fans do

like Theriot. But ones that look at stats, and often go on message boards like this know that Theriot wasn't so good last year. Theriot had a horrible OPS last year at 672. Personally I don't believe every hitter in your line-up needs to hit for power, and a guy like Theriot could be useful to a team. But for Theriot to be useful he needs to hit at least in the 280s and have a OBP in 340s-350s. I think it's possible still he could improve and put up those type of numbers, but even if he does alot of "stat head" guys won't like him because his SLG is to low.

by cubsfan25 on Mar 13, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm not a "stathead"...

and I don't fault a 5'11" 175lb man for not have much power, but his OBP is meh and his fielding is below average for a ML SS. He does work the count and walks about as much as he strikes out, which is useful...for a #8 hitter.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 13, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions

He doesn't work counts.

He saw the fewest pitchers per plate appearance of any Cubs starter last year - yes, fewer than Soriano.

I'll go over the rest of this train of thought later.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 13, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions

That's what I get...

for using my memory and not looking up the numbers. Oh wait...that's not real baseball huh? Yeah...I'll just call you a stathead and tell you that what I remember seeing is what matters, not what some "saber-metra-magical" formula says. LOL.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 13, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions

SLG too low?

I would only be annoyed with low slugging if they thought he was a cleanup hitter. If he can consistently put up a .340 - .350+ OBA then I have no problem with Theriot.

That still doesn't change the fact that SS is clearly the spot in the linup that most needs an upgrade.

by berselius on Mar 13, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions

Theriot

I agree if he can improve his hitting some he will be fine offensivly at SS. What I don't get is alot of Cubs fans don't think Theriot could get any better offensivly. Has one year were he's a 266/326 hitter, and people act like this guy has been putting up those type of numbers year after year and can't get better. Theriot was a 365 plus OBP his last three years in the minors(once he gave up switch hitting), and was even a 280s-340s hitter for most of last season. Of course Theriot might not improve and be a 260s/320s hitter again, but people should at least keep a open mind and think it's possible that he could improve.

Theriot doesn't work the count as many as most hitters on the team. But Theriot was third on the team in walks last year.(behind Lee/DeRosa) Hopefully he can improve on that some more and improve his batting average this year as well.

by cubsfan25 on Mar 13, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions

You can't just quote minor league stats...

...without context like that. Minor League Equivelencies, go!

2006, AAA:.262/.307/.323
2005, AA: .258/.309/.325

Those are translated stats that reflect how players from those levels tended to perform in the majors. I don't have translations for 2004 because nobody from High-A ball goes straight to the majors.

He is a 28-year-old with mediocre stats, both at the major and minor league levels. He is not young; there's no reason to expect him to develop - most ballplayers are at their peak right around ages 27-29.

I have him slated to show modest improvement over last season, given the projections I've seen. But I don't think that sort of improvement is enough to make up for his numerous deficiencies offensively.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 13, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions

Minor League Equivelencies

Isn't always right sometimes guys hit 300 in Triple A and end up being 300 hitters in the majors. For example Prince Fielder hit 291/388 in his last year in Triple A, and those are around what he hits in the majors these days.(not the best example though) Not every good major league player hits 320-330 plus with a 400 plus OBP int he minors. Yes Theriot is older but saying guys peak at 27-29 isn't always true, it all depends on the player, some guys don't peak to 29-30. There has been plenty of guys who raised their batting average and OBP 20-25 points after the age of 27. Brian Roberts for example was a 270s/337-344 hitter until age 27, so Theriot can't improve being a year older? It's not like im saying Theriot is going to improve to being a allstar. But I don't think it's impossible to think Theriot could still improve to being a 280's high 340s-350 type guy. I'm not saying Theriot will improve for sure, but it seems like most Cubs fans think it's impossible that he could, and I think it's a little unfair.

by cubsfan25 on Mar 13, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions

It's not impossible.

But how likely is it? Right now, I'd put the odds of that happening at about 20%. I could maybe see my way of increasing that to 30% if I were to dig around the numbers a little more.

What that means is that there's an 70%-80% chance that he won't perform that well. And keep in mind that there's also room for him to perform significantly worse than projected as well. You can't talk about upside risk without ignoring downside risk.

I'm not denying that chance is there; I just don't see why it's so worthwhile to gamble on it.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 13, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions

People on this board

and others like it also expect the Cubs to have an all-star at every position, and don't think they can win it all until that happens.

Theriot would be fine, and if they need to, Hendry could go out and get a replacement at the deadline.

All we are saying...is give Pie a chance.

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Mar 13, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions

9th inning rally

involving Murton and Hoff-Power - Dwarle up.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 5:39 PM CDT reply actions

walk

bases loaded

by cubs ftw on Mar 13, 2008 5:40 PM CDT reply actions

Cubs win :)

by cubs ftw on Mar 13, 2008 5:42 PM CDT reply actions

Cintron wins it

and a spot on the roster, maybe?

Bases loaded walk off hit....

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 13, 2008 5:42 PM CDT reply actions

Sammy's got a 3 game hitting streak

Nice effort from Fuld today!

by dwm on Mar 13, 2008 5:57 PM CDT reply actions

Did someone say Cubs Win?

I guess this gotta go up the flagpole, then!

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Mar 13, 2008 6:05 PM CDT reply actions

That is a sight for sore eyes!

Can't wait to see that about 100 times this summer!!

by Tangled Up In Blue on Mar 13, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions

Go Cubs go,

Go Cubs go...
I can't wait to hear that at Wrigley again!

by cubs ftw on Mar 13, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions

trade Hoffpauir?

I mean, its not he will make the team roster and I bet his trade value has soared.

Live is boring until March 31st strolls by..

by Chanman25 on Mar 13, 2008 6:09 PM CDT reply actions

Marquis....

Marquis did well today. Hope he can win himself a spot in the rotation. If he deserves it, so be it!

"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Mar 13, 2008 6:23 PM CDT reply actions

For the earlier chat

Jerry Coleman is WELL past 80. He is an icon, (like Harry) in SD...and he doesn't do as much any more. He can do no wrong. Ted Leitner, the main voice of the Pads on radio wasn't at this game, as he is covering the SDSU Aztecs in the Mtn West Conference Tournament for KOGO-AM here. By the way, Andy Masur is now the voice of the USD Toreros for XX Sports radio, and he's headed to the NCAA's, as USD won the WCC Tourney this past weekend.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Mar 13, 2008 6:47 PM CDT reply actions