Open Thread: Cubs vs. Royals, Tuesday 3/18, 3:05 CT
by Al on Mar 18, 2008 10:21 AM CDT
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SCOTTSDALE, Arizona -- Not a cloud in the sky this morning, so the brief weather interregnum -- which made it partly cloudy and coolish the last two days -- seems to be over. Today, it will be sunny and 74 with light winds, a perfect day to resume the spring schedule.
Notes from today:
- Jay Mariotti is still an idiot. In fact, the fact that he's written this Don't-Use-Wood-As-Closer column means that Kerry will not only get the job, but be a huge success.
- The Trade That Shall Not Be Named -- to the White Sox?
- Bruce Miles summarizes the 2008 story so far.
- The sale of Wrigley Field to the state? Dead, says the Tribune. The Sun-Times, however, which has had blazing tabloid headlines opposing this deal, says the ISFA is still going to try to geat the deal done.
- Dave van Dyck of the Tribune summarizes possible roster cuts and moves, although I disagree with him on Tim Lahey. I think Lahey is ticketed for Iowa (after he's "returned" to the Twins and then "sent back" as the PTBNL in the Craig Monroe trade), and Kevin Hart is going to make the team.
Royals lefthander John Bale faces Jason Marquis, who is making his fourth spring start. You can hear it via the Royals radio station or MLB.TV at the MLB.com Mediacenter.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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MLB.TV
Will this video feed have Royals announcers, or generic ones from MLB.TV? Maybe it will just have a webcam pointed at the field, and we can supply our own PBP...
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson
by JohnM on Mar 18, 2008 10:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably generic announcers.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Mar 18, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's supposed to be on CSN...
... so does that mean we get decent announcers? Or does the game just not air as planned?
by McCarron on Mar 18, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gameday
audio has Royals announcers it sounds like. This is my first year with gameday audio, do we get to choose which broadcasters we want to listen to during the regular season?
by gwood on Mar 18, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes we do.
That's not the case with MLB.TV, sadly.
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson
by JohnM on Mar 18, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CSN just ran a ticker that said "Cubs at 3pm today on CSN"
It appears to be starting now.
by McCarron on Mar 18, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odds are pretty good
that Wood will pitch today, correct?
by grogg_2434 on Mar 18, 2008 10:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he will...
... that would make sense, since he threw on Friday and Sunday. That would then set him up to go in one of the split squad games tomorrow, which would be 3 of 4 days and 4 of 6, which is a typical load for a closer.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Mar 18, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is so hard for me...
to watch Kerry. I very much want to see him succeed but I get the feeling I'm going to hold my breath everytime he comes into a game this year. Watching him blow that 98mph heater by people up and in has been the highlight of my spring thusfar.
by grogg_2434 on Mar 18, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm also worried
about his walk totals. I know he hasn't given any free passes in ST, but stats don't lie. He can be wild.
BRob, DLee, Fuke, ARam, Sori, Soto, Pie, Theriot - Done.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Mar 18, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wood
will pitch tomorrow and the next day, back-to-back test. then best closer in the nl
by lilkimmer77 on Mar 18, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mariotti
The guy seems to just take the unpopular view and make it his own. It's fine once in a while, but when you do that EVERY time you right or editorialize, you lose credibility, of which he has none.
I was on the Marmol for Closer campaign trail, but I'm starting to believe Woody will do great, and Marmol can get another year setting up.
BRob, DLee, Fuke, ARam, Sori, Soto, Pie, Theriot - Done.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Mar 18, 2008 10:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mariotti is a blathering idiot
The guy is the ultimate pessimist and hasn't written anything worthwhile or original in years. He claims to be a Cubs fan but all he does is bash them every chance he gets. How does this guy still have a job. I used to like watching Around the Horn but Mariotti is on the show too much and makes it a complete debacle.
"Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?"
by Jettero2112 on Mar 18, 2008 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mariotti
...the fact that thousands of sports fans around the country watch ATH and associate Mariotti with the typical Chicago fan is a supreme embarrassment.
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on Mar 18, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dislike
Mariotti as well. His negative approach has always annoyed me and I really started to dislike him when I watched ATH. I was always a Woody Paige fan for some reason. I think he was more entertaining. The one thing about Mariotti's articles that annoys me the most are his constant pop culture analogies/metaphors. Comparing sports to Britney Spears, etc. is idiotic and annoys that sports fan who couldn't give two _____ts about Britney or any other pop culture figure for that matter. Give me some stats to support your position, I can do without silly metaphors. (Man, that soap box caught me by surprise, sorry)
by gwood on Mar 18, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lahey...
... I have asked this before, and I thought that was an alternative - send Lahey back to the Twins, get $25K, and then get him back from the Twins as the PTBNL and send him to AAA.
What's with clearing waivers, though?
Should the Cubs keep Tim Lahey, who was claimed during the winter in the Rule 5 draft and has been impressive this spring? If they don't, they will lose him because he would not clear waivers. He will either make the team or be used as trade bait.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 18, 2008 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is what everyone seems to keep missing...
to return him to the Twins requires that you put him on OUTRIGHT waivers first. There is no way you can put this guy out there after his spring, and he not get claimed. I doubt you'd even make it past the Nationals before he was picked up.
by Damen Jackson on Mar 18, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure about this?
Maybe there's a "gentleman's agreement" between GM's that this can/will be done. Teams do it all the time.
Plus, I thought returning Rule 5 picks was done WITHOUT having to clear waivers. Where did that quotebox come from?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Mar 18, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're kidding...
If you think that you can stick a minimum salary, major league ready reliever, coming off a great spring on the waiver wire, and he not get claimed. Those kind of gentlemen are long gone, I assure you.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/s/transanctionsprimer.html
"A player drafted onto a Major League roster in the Rule 5 draft must remain in the majors (on the 25-man active roster or the DL) for all of the subsequent season, or the drafting club must attempt to return him to his original club. However, since a returned Rule 5 player must first be placed on outright waivers, a third club could claim the player off waivers. But of course, that club would then also have to keep him in the majors all season, or offer him back to his original club."
by Damen Jackson on Mar 18, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sounds
like, if Lahey's worth it, he's on the 25-man, no further questions. He better be worth it though, because I'd much rather see Hart out there. If we can just push Marquis out, then everything could fall into place perfectly.
"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Mar 18, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well..there is a small piece of verbiage...
about trade scenarios included, so there might be a sliver of a chance. But between the league office (I can hear the Brewers crying foul from downtown Chicago), and Lahey likely worth more than anyone that Hendry was given on the trade candidate list from the Twins on that Monroe deal, Al is making ALOT of assumptions about this guy.
by Damen Jackson on Mar 18, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the bottom line is...
... that the part that says "the claiming club would have to keep him on their roster all year", keeps most teams from making such claims.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Mar 18, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lahey
My understanding is that if there was a trade like this, basically before the Cubs would offer Lahey back to the Twins, they'd make the trade, giving the Cubs his rights. So instead of offering him back to the Twins, they'd basically be offering him back to themselves. The waivers thing is confusing... I've never seen players sent back to their original team go through the waiver process.
But as for Lahey, a trade of this sort requires the Twins to be willing. If the Cubs are so high on Lahey its possible that the Twins are, too and would prefer to have him back. They're a team that's rebuilding so he'd be a possible bullpen piece for he future.
DmL
by dmlichte on Mar 18, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sox getting Roberts
Would actually be funny.
by lemon20pie on Mar 18, 2008 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
re: Sox getting Roberts
It definitely would. In fact, "BRob" ending up with the Sux would be a fittingly twisted conclusion to this whole prolonged, nightmarish ordeal.
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.
by dat cubfan daver on Mar 18, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Think I Would Vomit
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 18, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Sox getting Roberts
Miniscule grains of salt in any insinuations on Roberts trade, given the constant media cycle, but the interesting text is "They reportedly are looking at veteran middle infielders." Does that mean that an unsatisfactory Cubs middle infielder (see, Ronny Cedeno) pushed the Orioles' considerations in another direction?
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Mar 18, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im with you
i think i would just laugh out loud if that happened
Bill James Felix Pie 2008 Projection: .283/.333/.456 16 HR 21 SB
by kylejo on Mar 18, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many more...
...preseason games are left? I'm getting tired of the same old same old. As a dual Cubs-Royals fan, I hope today's game ends in a 10-10 tie---with only our AAA pitchers getting knocked around. - TL
"Why shouldn't we believe that we're going to win the World Series?" - Ted Lilly, 1/19/2008, Daily Herald interview w/Barry Rozner
by timlacy on Mar 18, 2008 11:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure
there's a game every day till the 29th, then one final off/travel day, and then OD.
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson
by JohnM on Mar 18, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus one extra game
being a split squad game tomorrow, when the Cubs play an All-Bay Area split squad DH against the Giants and As.
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson
by JohnM on Mar 18, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Click it.
Cubs spring training schedule: http://mlb.mlb.com/spring_training/schedule.jsp?c_id=chc
Site support question: Has anyone else tried using the "link" button yet? I just did and my link didn't show up on the preview screen, so I just copy & pasted the URL. Am I missing something?
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.
by dat cubfan daver on Mar 18, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Test
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!
by sanantonecub on Mar 18, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, seems to be working fine for me
Click the link button, type the website address, and then you need to type text in after it. If you don't want to make everything else you type into the link, add a < / a > (remove the spaces) after the link text.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!
by sanantonecub on Mar 18, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Test.
Crikey, you're right. I tried putting the text before it but not after. Thanks!
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.
by dat cubfan daver on Mar 18, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
You can create the link text, highlight it, then press the link button to add the website to it.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!
by sanantonecub on Mar 18, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets see... 22 hits last time
Should we go for 30 today?
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!
by sanantonecub on Mar 18, 2008 11:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Sun Times'
editorial board should be ashamed. There's such an obvious conflict of interest in their unapologetically negative "reporting" of the sale of Wrigley Field. And this is not to mention the pompous moralizing tone of these pieces.
Although, I guess this is what should we expect from a paper that continues to employ Jay the Jerk.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Mar 18, 2008 11:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The great philosopher
Homer Simpson summed up Jay's point very succinctly: "Trying is the first step towards failure."
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Mar 18, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
longtime reader first time writer
I feel bad that Mariotti is inspiring me to write my first post, but I don't understand the logic. He's basically saying what? That Wood shouldn't pitch because he might blow out his arm? Why should anyone play then? Everyone risks injury getting on the field. If he's capable, let him take care of business until he can't.
by fndr5 on Mar 18, 2008 11:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
If it's going to happen, it's going to happen. Also, since Wood takes a while to get warm, the closer spot is the best one for him, since you can plan around the ninth inning far easier than specific setup situations.
by GhostofJacque11 on Mar 18, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This much we know...
The Cubs are going to get a right-handed hitting option to help out in centerfield. And they have to do SOMETHING with Jason Marquis short of having him go kicking and screaming into the bullpen where he will waste a valuable spot.
How about this???? Jason Marquis, Matt Murton and a subscription to Vineline for Marlon Byrd??? Okay, we'll have to also throw in several million dollars to get Texas to maybe bite.
While it makes me sad, I am absolutely convinced that Brian Roberts is on the verge of becoming a Cub. So maybe a Roberts and Payton deal "solves" a lot of these issues. Though why on earth would Baltimore want to eat the contract of Marquis without additional enticement??
by MDBNIU on Mar 18, 2008 11:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"why on earth would Baltimore want to eat the contract of Marquis..."
Because Steve Trachsel might be their opening day starter? I think the Orioles need ML pitching, and more than just Sean Gallagher.
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson
by JohnM on Mar 18, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It hurts, to be sure...
but when it comes to rebuilding, get ugly early. If you want to do it right, dump everyone who is making more than 3 million a year, get what prospects you can, and use the cash to pay over slot if needed for the next couple of drafts.
So, Traschel it is.
by Damen Jackson on Mar 18, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trachsel...
Because Steve Trachsel might be their opening day starter?
I read that the other day, and immediately went into sympathy spasms for my Oriole friends here in VA.
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on Mar 18, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marquis and Baltimore
Baltimore is in serious rebuilding mode. If they're going to be awful there are much cheaper options then adding Jason Marquis and his $16.5 million due to the equation. The world is awash with Steve Trachsel like options that are dramatically cheaper.
by MDBNIU on Mar 18, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
The question you asked was "why would they want to eat the contract", but I answered a different question: "why would they take Marquis". I don't think they want to eat the contract but they might want to take him if the Cubs eat enough of it.
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson
by JohnM on Mar 18, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baltimore doesn't want Marquis.
But, he might be valuable to another team, like the Angels, who suddenly need pitching.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Mar 18, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is what I thought to
To shed Marquis the Cubs are going to eat some cash. How much remains to be seen.
by Wisc Badger on Mar 18, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eating Cash?
For the innings-eater that Marquis is, he actually is quite inexpensive (relatively). I could see a Willits for Marquis deal being a good one for each side.
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on Mar 18, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mariotti is a tool
Nothing changes with this guy....same crap new topic
by Bpatterson83 on Mar 18, 2008 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
field
i enjoyed seeing the pictures when the field was being redone and it got me thinking, has there been any news on the field? Did the grass "take" like it was planned and has the drainage system been working properly?
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on Mar 18, 2008 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope so...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 18, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The grass looks
kind of dull at this point. (See webcam shot here.) Hopefully it comes to life along with the Cubs on March 31st.
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson
by JohnM on Mar 18, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Mariotti is a tool"
I couldn't agree more. The Cubs could win ten in a row, and he will give them a few compliments, then they will lose one, and he will write about how bad they are and what is wrong with them.
By the way Al, love the new format.
by 23Ryno on Mar 18, 2008 12:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn't the game on CSN today as well?
n/t
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"
by NightPutting on Mar 18, 2008 12:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
re: Isn't the game on CSN today as well?
That's a good question. My cable box says there is an MLB game on CSN at 3pm Central today -- but it's the Chicago White Sox vs. the Kansas City Royals. So I go to the White Sox Web site (ooh, that stings), and it says the Sox are playing the Padres today. Wherein lies the truth?
I had a similiar problem this past Thursday, when I was actually home to watch the game. Both the Cubs and CSN's Web sites said the game was televised, but the game didn't show up on my cable box "guide" and, indeed, it was not on. Maddening.
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.
by dat cubfan daver on Mar 18, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's showing it's on CSN on Cubs.com, so I guess time will tell. It's got a Bulls Game on right now.
by McCarron on Mar 18, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CSN just ran a ticker that said "Cubs at 3pm today on CSN"
n/t
by McCarron on Mar 18, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unbelievable.
The game was televised, and I was working from home today, so I could've watched it. Unfortunately, I had to be somewhere at 3:15 and I just got home and now my daughter has claimed the TV, so I'm gonna miss the whole thing. Unbelievable.
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.
by dat cubfan daver on Mar 18, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mea culpa.
The game was scheduled on CSN. Most likely they will replay it tonight -- check CSN this evening. I missed this. Sorry.
Next televised game is Friday vs. the Rockies in Tucson -- on ESPN2.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Mar 18, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
This is such a bad parallel that I can't even begin to believe he would go there:
But do I trust the story line? Oh, about as much as Aramis Ramirez with a fighting rooster or Eliot Spitzer with free time on his hands.
Is he honestly comparing the two as being similar? Ramirez partaking in legal cockfighting in his own country compared to a married governor hiring prostitutes?
If someone tugged his ear I bet the sound of hissing air would deafen you. Kind of like a balloon that you tried to tie up and the knot slipped on it, but instead of just air the air would smell like a week old fart.
"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray
by Cribbs463 on Mar 18, 2008 12:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mariotti is a drama queen
I'm with Canadia Cubs Fan on the Mariotti. It's like Mariotti picks the headline that will bring him the most attentoin rather then writing what he really thinks. I compare him to Senator Spector. Spector seems to have taken on the NFL to get popular like Mitchell. To get his name out there, not really having any personal reason to pursue. Same with Mariotti. Always throwing out his opinion not to inform but to get a reaction that will put him in the public eye.
I'm drunk......and it shows.....
by Keystone80435 on Mar 18, 2008 1:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The most bothersome
thing of many about Mariotti is that we keep talking about him. It's difficult not to, I agree, especially because his opinion is in the spotlight that is MSM. But y'know what? With very few exceptions, I don't read or put any weight into anything these MSMorons say and pretend to think (for it is obvious that Mr. Rogers and Co. do not think). Do any of us?
Frankly, I read the blogs, especially ours here, for the most honest, thoughtful opinions and insights into Cubdom. We have several great writers and pundits ourselves, and we cover just about every angle possible, no? And we have Mr. Miles to lend us a bit of MSM street cred, along with Al's own accomplishments. Screw Mariotti and his ilk. He just makes us look a whole lot better. It's only a matter of time before his type is extinct. Maybe we should view his antics as the last gasps of a dying breed, a captive of the Sun-Times, no less .
I can almost feel sorry for him. Almost, I said.
"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Mar 18, 2008 1:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
speaking of tools....
Joe Morgan!
"Commit to the Indian!"
by Bpatterson83 on Mar 18, 2008 1:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
if there is a baseball commentator that I turn the sound off to more. And forgive my if I am getting this wrong, but isn't he a Sandberg hater? I remember hearing (somewhere) that he is actively trying to keep Ryno out of the Hall, or something like that.
Someone please inform me better on this!
by gwood on Mar 18, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got part of that wrong
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson
by JohnM on Mar 18, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The part where Morgan is actively trying to keep Ryno out.
Seeing as he's already in :-)
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson
by JohnM on Mar 18, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Santo
I've heard Morgan talk smack about Ronny. Something to the likes of, "look at his stats, they just aren't there".
by Holy Cow on Mar 18, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
I don't think so. I think he supports Santo. They were from the same era, which helps explain it. Morgan didn't like Ryno challenging his position as (one of) the greatest modern second basemen. He's not threatened the same way by Santo.
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson
by JohnM on Mar 18, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
Morgan's never come out and said he didn't vote for Santo (a la Mike Schmidt in 2005), but every year when the veteran' committee fails to elect anyone, Morgan always has some Orwellian snippet about how "the sportswriters voted for 15 years and they didn't get in, why should we let them in?" (Let's not even bother to parse the faulty logic in that one...), or how the veteran's committee "isn't going to lower [it's] standards." I have officially posted the bullshit flag on any comment from Joe Morgan concerning these matters.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Mar 18, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morgan hates Santo
Always has. To be fair, Ron Santo was not a well-liked player during his playing days. His antics and cockiness rubbed some teammates and a lot of opponents the wrong way. The "clicking of the heels" episode was symbolic of why a lot of people around the game disliked him.
by MDBNIU on Mar 18, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair,
it's not "The Hall of Popularity," nor the "Hall of Good Sportsmanship;" it's the Hall of Fame, and, ostensibly, if you have the numbers, you should get in. Santo's got the numbers, and he should be in. This business about him being "not well-liked" is a total red herring and just a weak apologetic for the veteran's committee's stubborn refusal to let anyone into their precious fraternity.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Mar 18, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
Joe never seemed to have a problem with Pete Rose, who was even cockier and had even bigger antics (running to first base on a walk, for example). Calling him "Charlie Hustle" was not meant as a compliment.
Just goes to show that when your friends do something, it's just Pete (or whomever) being Pete. When someone you don't know does it, they need to cut it out.
It's not just Joe who thinks that way, but he's got a vote in the Hall, so it matters here.
It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.
by Josh77 on Mar 18, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could be wrong
but I have a fuzzy memory of him grudgingly supporting Ronnie during a Cubs broadcast last year.
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson
by JohnM on Mar 18, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He simply remarked
that Santo was long overdue for proper recognition, or some such obtuseness. Everything he's had to say on the matter is just so much doublespeak.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Mar 18, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This all...
... is borderline ridiculous. I dislike Joe Morgan as much as the next person but we don't need to make up stuff. He's come out and publicly said that Santo belongs in the Hall. Nothing "grudgingly" or "doublespeak". He's said he supports Santo for the Hall and there's no reason to believe that he's being disingenuous.
There are plenty of things Morgan has said and done for people to dislike him. This isn't one of them.
DmL
by dmlichte on Mar 18, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna need a link,
if I'm going to be called a liar. I didn't make any of this up. Where and when did Morgan state that Santo? Here's my proof:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/saraceno/2007-02-28-santo_x.htm
http://www.goatriders.org/archives/2007/03/on_chicago_politics_and_r.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/27/AR2007022701482.html
Please, indicate what, exactly, I "made up" and please provide proof of Morgan's explicit endorsement of Santo's Hall candidacy.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Mar 18, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm fairly indifferent on the matter...
however, I have to say:
"We're being blamed because something hasn't happened," Hall member and vice chairman Joe Morgan said. "If you're asking me, 'Do we lower our standards to get more people in?' my answer would be no."
speaks volumes.
by Damen Jackson on Mar 18, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
n/t
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Mar 18, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morgan
He's come out and said that last time he voted for ten people.
He's come out and said that he supports Santo's candidacy. He's said that he voted for Santo last time out. Beyond that I'm not sure what anyone wants. Blame Morgan for a lot of stuff but I think its ridiculous when people want to gauge how strongly or weakly Morgan has been in endorsing Santo.
DmL
by dmlichte on Mar 18, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where?
When?
Link, buddy. Hard, cold facts. You called me a liar. I showed my sources. Show me yours.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Mar 18, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were 27 people
on that ballot. He voted for ten. Proves zilch. Next.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Mar 18, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, do you mean
physically? I can just see Joe Morgan standing crouching in front of the Hall's doors, or maybe hiding in the lobby, ready to bum-rush Ryno next time he comes in.
I think Ryno could take him. And, objectively speaking, Ryno was the better secondbaseman.
"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Mar 18, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is an entertaining thought
but no, not physically, more that he continually focuses negatively on Ryno's skills and performance as a second baseman. And will say negative things about him on the air.
by gwood on Mar 18, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morgan
Other than the fact that he's inarticulate, arrogant and sanctimonious, Morgan's just fine . . . .
by Shanghai Badger on Mar 18, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ROTFLMAO
So true. Not to mention that once or twice, he's just told blatant lies about his playing career, on the air.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Mar 18, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gack!
n/t
"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Mar 18, 2008 1:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lou on the radio
saying that hes going to stick with todays lineup for a while, no more experementing, if the roster stays as it is this is the opening day lineup.
Bill James Felix Pie 2008 Projection: .283/.333/.456 16 HR 21 SB
by kylejo on Mar 18, 2008 2:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Miles probably
hasn't activated his SBN 2.0 account yet. Maybe there was another Bruce Miles at Viva El Birdos who claimed his user name!
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson
by JohnM on Mar 18, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was same one we've been hearing i think
1. theriot
2. soriano
3. dlee
4. aramis
5. dome
6. derosa
7. soto
8. pie
i honestly only heard the first five though.
Bill James Felix Pie 2008 Projection: .283/.333/.456 16 HR 21 SB
by kylejo on Mar 18, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is correct according to the box score
which was just posted at http://mlb.mlb.com/news/boxscore.jsp?gid=2008_03_18_kcamlb_chnmlb_1
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson
by JohnM on Mar 18, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rule 5
Clay Rapada was the PTBNL, so another trade would still need to be made to keep him.
by cubbyrick on Mar 18, 2008 2:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
rapada
went to detriot
GO CUBS GO!!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Mar 18, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The lineup
I'm tellin' folks the fact that Sweet Lou is sticking with this lineup is precursor to Brian Roberts becoming a Cub. Piniella is getting a jump start on getting Alfonso Soriano comfortable in the # 2 hole.
I don't want Brian Roberts, but I am now 100% officially convinced his arrival in Mesa is imminent. He'll be brining along Jay Payton on the airplane ride.
by MDBNIU on Mar 18, 2008 2:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why again?
someone remind me why we want jay payton and his horrid ba and obp?
by luv4cubs2 on Mar 18, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was actually thinking the same thing
when I saw that lou had moved soriano down. Personally I kinda like the suggestion Rosenbloom had (never thought id say that) of hitting fukudome 2 and soriano 5.
---formerly known on BCB, WCG, and BAB simply as mike.
AC 00 00 00 - Believe
by mjk83 on Mar 18, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we'd all prefer Fuku at 2 and Sori at 5
If those were our two options.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Mar 18, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm indifferent about
Roberts. That's part of the reason I've been quiet all these weeks of discussion, argumentation, etc. But Payton I'm not so indifferent about. I DO NOT want Jay Payton on our team. I just don't think he's got anything to contribute that we don't already have at much less cost. And I don't want some veteran to be here pushing/pressuring Pie further to perform or else. I want Pie to be given a better opportunity than that. Let's remember, he's only 23. We should give him this season, or at very least the first 3 months (assuming the rest of the team is performing reasonably as expected).
"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Mar 18, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jay Payton
Two things at work here...
1. Baltimore is anxious to dump Payton and his remaining 1 year, roughly $5 million salary. I think Andy McPhail will insist that the Cubs take Payton off their hands as part of any deal for Roberts.
2. The Cubs clearly need a right-handed hitting outfield option who can play in CF. Felix Pie has never hit left-handed pitching very well. Payton can serve as platoon mate and decent short-term insurance policy should Pie crash and burn.
by MDBNIU on Mar 18, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Payton wouldn't bring anything that the Cubs don't have?
Who again do the Cubs have to hit against lefties in CF?
by lemon20pie on Mar 18, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Payton is the dealbreaker for Roberts...
I would have Fukudome play CF against LHP and put ---gasp--- DeRosa in RF.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 18, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and then who
plays second base?
I know, I know:
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 18, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Fukodome
plays anything other than RF this year I'll be shocked.
by grogg_2434 on Mar 18, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie
I'd rather hit Pie against lefties than get Payton in here. Seriously. Without seeing Pie's splits, I wouldn't say to just let him struggle with lefties 100% of the time, but I do believe that too often too much is made of the whole righty vs. lefty thing.
And why is moving Fukudome into CF occassionally such a far fetched idea? He's not a glass figurine out there in RF. He's a professional athlete.
"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Mar 18, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, this convinces me roberts is coming
i see no other reason to put theriot leadoff and sori in the two hole. however, shouldnt this change your opinion of the roberts trade? this would mean a. we get a bonafide leadoff hitter, and b. soriano is now in a much better position to drive in runs.
Bill James Felix Pie 2008 Projection: .283/.333/.456 16 HR 21 SB
by kylejo on Mar 18, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you suscribe to the theory...
that moving him anywhere in the lineup besides lead off will immediately cause him to forget how to play baseball.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 18, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gameday link?
It doesn't seem to be working, Al-San! Anyone have the link?
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 18, 2008 2:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I saw.
let's go cubs!
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 18, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Len and Bob are on the air!
No generic announcers, great.
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson
by JohnM on Mar 18, 2008 3:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah!!
Len and Bob!
"Cubs Win!!"
by northofwrigley on Mar 18, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stuck at work... in Denver
any PBP would be appreciated, thanks!
by Lou In Blue on Mar 18, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gameday Audio question
So I went ahead and popped for MLB Gameday Audio this year and I tried to play it during Sunday's game but it was horribly out of sync with the TV broadcast. Like 30-45 seconds behind
Is it always like that?
"I don't think anybody's paying attention to the Cubs." - Prince Fielder
by jasoniniowa on Mar 18, 2008 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, you can drive yourself crazy
trying to sync them up. Due to network delay, the audio feed will gradually fall behind, but then you can re-start it. Another thing to do is make sure the buffer in your media player is set to something low like 5 or 0 seconds.
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson
by JohnM on Mar 18, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I've got a DVR so I'll find some way to get them together.
"I don't think anybody's paying attention to the Cubs." - Prince Fielder
by jasoniniowa on Mar 18, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have Game Day audio
but my work has it filtered out so I can not access it.
Phooey!!
by Wisc Badger on Mar 18, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proxy Servers are your answer
Easy as cake
by Lou In Blue on Mar 18, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Typical second half start...
for him...it is the second half of ST isn't it?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 18, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
Hopefully he won't be around for the second half of the regular season... or the first half.
by grogg_2434 on Mar 18, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well that didnt take long
1-0 royals after a leadoff triple and grounball out
---formerly known on BCB, WCG, and BAB simply as mike.
AC 00 00 00 - Believe
by mjk83 on Mar 18, 2008 3:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow, Gameday hasn't even started yet.
It just makes me love Dempster even more.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 18, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teahan on 2nd, 2 outs
"Cubs Win!!"
by northofwrigley on Mar 18, 2008 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jason's sinker is "up"...
just like his ERA will be after this start.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 18, 2008 3:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see the Cubs on CSN
but I want them at Wrigley already. October was so long ago.
The next two weeks cant go by fast enough.
I just want to win the last game of the season.
by Me and Lou WS 07 on Mar 18, 2008 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Aghhh yes
Marquis gives up a run here come the haters. I love the overreacting.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer
by Hammer on Mar 18, 2008 3:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think most people here
disliked Marquis before that run, myself included
by lilkimmer77 on Mar 18, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a fan of
Marquis either. But it is remarkable how quick to react so many of us are when a game is going.
"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young
by Kegler on Mar 18, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a-freakin men.
Replace him!
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 18, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to think...
that I'm pretty consistent. Even if he went out and threw 7 shutout innings today, I wouldn't want him on this team. His track record speaks for itself.
by grogg_2434 on Mar 18, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will you be happy...
if Lou "under-reacts" and Marquis is 1-5 after the first month of the season? Don't get me wrong, I think Marquis has value, but he hasn't shown the ability to ever put together several strong performances in a row. It's like flipping a coin with him.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 18, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly,
I don't think I'd give him 50/50 changes. At this point, I expect him to suck, and surprised when he doesn't. Combine that with his craptastic attitude...
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 18, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btm of 1st
Theriot strikes out looking at a curve.
Soriano flies out
Lee broken bat grounder to third. 3out
by gwood on Mar 18, 2008 3:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Program note
Ron Santo will be subbing for Bob Brenly on the TV broadcast on Monday. Should be interesting...
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson
by JohnM on Mar 18, 2008 3:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
top 2nd
Maier strike out
Tupman and Pena both walked
Bale struck out on a foul bunt. 2 out 2 on.
by gwood on Mar 18, 2008 3:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gameday SUCKS!
It is totally stalled out!
Damn Nutrisystem...I'm freakin dyin for some Italian beef!
by Kinky Reggae on Mar 18, 2008 3:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 18, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice....
now a pic of ARAm who is still at bat?
Damn Nutrisystem...I'm freakin dyin for some Italian beef!
by Kinky Reggae on Mar 18, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm wondering...did Cubs Club last year but I can't remember where I accessed the game day audio from. I thought it sent me to mlb.com. Now apparently I'll be charged again for Cubs Club 08 but when I go to MLB to access the game day audio its telling me to sign up. Do you know where the Cub Club audio is accessed from? I just cant remember.
I'm drunk......and it shows.....
by Keystone80435 on Mar 18, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so is it officially called
Ho Ho COM or Ho Ho KAM? I've heard it pronounced both ways.
by grogg_2434 on Mar 18, 2008 3:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
see, now you've
made me think of Howard Johnson's, which we used to call HoJo's.
I wanna hot-fudge sundae. And it's all your fault! :P
I thought it was Ho Ko KAM.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 18, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah-And we want Roberts over Derosa
why???
by Wisc Badger on Mar 18, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do the words...
All-Star 2nd baseman or effective lead off man mean anything to you? Just sayin'
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 18, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be more accurate
I think it's we want Roberts over Fontenot, Cintron, Fuld, or whoever the current 25th man on the roster is. It's a trickle-down effect that would make this club a lot stronger.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Mar 18, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By your response
does that mean you wouldnt want DeRosa over Roberts if D-Ro struck out?
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer
by Hammer on Mar 18, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boom...
goes the dynamite!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 18, 2008 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LMAAO!!
I totally forgot about that.
by lemon20pie on Mar 18, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
o/t
I was attending Ball State when that happened. It wasn't that big of a sensation on campus until the national media got a hold of the story. NO one watched that student news show, as we all knew it was a poorly run joke. I don't know what the guys up to now, either.
"These are the saddest of possible words: Tinker to Evers to Chance."
by bluebythebook on Mar 18, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
does anyone else find it weird that the IOWA cubs are in the PACIFIC COAST league?
CUBS WIN CUBS WIN CUBS WIN
by GarlicFryCubFan on Mar 18, 2008 3:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not really
Keeping in mind so are Omaha, Nashville, and Memphis just to name a few others. They've been in the PCL since the mid to late '90s when the American Association folded.
by BrownE34 on Mar 18, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was discussing the same thing yesterday. New Orleans is in the pacific league too. Not very creative with the league names.
I'm drunk......and it shows.....
by Keystone80435 on Mar 18, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a lot of history to the Pacific Coast League.
The name is mostly a remnant of the old days of the PCL, which was an Indie league out west, appropriately enough.
For a time, the NL and the AL opposed creating expansion teams out West, and so there was talk of the PCL becoming the third major league and joining MLB. It was mostly a ploy by those who favored expansion, but there it is.
by cwyers on Mar 18, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
good info. thanks
I'm drunk......and it shows.....
by Keystone80435 on Mar 18, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
the PCL hadn't been an independent league since the early 1930s, although there were some independent teams playing along side the farm clubs later than that. It's simply a minor league that pre-dated the creation of farm systems.
There is a lot of history to the PCL, but when the American Association and the PCL merged in 1998, it wasn't a merger of equals. It was more of a takeover of the AA by the PCL, and the PCL wasn't about to give up their name and the history that went with it.
The good news is that the Iowa Cubs now come out to the West Coast every other year.
It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.
by Josh77 on Mar 18, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Updates?
Damn Nutrisystem...I'm freakin dyin for some Italian beef!
by Kinky Reggae on Mar 18, 2008 3:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the auto refresh here
but I think it would be better when it auto refreshes, it just had the new posts in yellow etc etc.
by lemon20pie on Mar 18, 2008 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 18, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
????
Damn Nutrisystem...I'm freakin dyin for some Italian beef!
by Kinky Reggae on Mar 18, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See here!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 18, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you use the Z key to unmark as you read
then only the new incoming comments will be yellow.
And if all the yellow feels like too much pressure, just refresh the page to wipe it clean :)
I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.
by sixfoot6 on Mar 18, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man...
if only Jay Payton could have had that 2 out RBI opportunity...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 18, 2008 3:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow Marquis is a good pitcher!
Damn Nutrisystem...I'm freakin dyin for some Italian beef!
by Kinky Reggae on Mar 18, 2008 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Score peeps?
Damn Nutrisystem...I'm freakin dyin for some Italian beef!
by Kinky Reggae on Mar 18, 2008 3:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One out top of the 4th 1 to 1
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
by BlueSox on Mar 18, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grazi!
Damn Nutrisystem...I'm freakin dyin for some Italian beef!
by Kinky Reggae on Mar 18, 2008 3:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Marquis is a good
fielder.
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson
by JohnM on Mar 18, 2008 3:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If in a 100 years
If In a 100 years some anthropologist found this blog they'd conclude we're all a bunch of nice people but we have this inordinate fear of a creature named Marquis.
We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Mar 18, 2008 4:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good perspective!
I like that.
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
by BlueSox on Mar 18, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the royals announcers
seem to be reading this post :). they echoed the opinions of most that Dlee's BA this spring means that he is still adjusting, or that he is due
by gwood on Mar 18, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And...
Scruffy... does he still have that beard?
"The one that invent the light tried 2,000 times and finally he did it, we have light...I don't want to spend 2,000 times to win Opening Day" Carlos Zambrano
by CubsBullsBears on Mar 18, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah-And we want DLee over Hoffpauir
why???
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Mar 18, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Let's release Lee a guy who's our best all around player and start a guy who's a career minor leaguer having a great spring.
Are you a Hendry plant to make him look like a genius?
We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Mar 18, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not positive
But I"m guessing Ballhawk was being facetious.
by lemon20pie on Mar 18, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
aw gee, lemon
you're never positive about anything! ;-)
yes, I was being very facetious and hopefully a little bit witty. SB 3.0 needs to have a sarcastic font feature.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Mar 18, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good one...
I just love how folks magnify every ST start, AB etc., and forget about what a player has or hasn't done over the last 5 years or so.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Mar 18, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's magnifying what?
All I said was he was scuffling.
Awesome overreaction though.
by lemon20pie on Mar 18, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't referencing your comment...
...but one a little further up on the list.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Mar 18, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope
I hope you are kidding.
But there will be idiots calling the Score demanding this tomorrow.
We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Mar 18, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, that's better than
him taking the 5th...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Mar 18, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably should have
instead of making the comments he did earlier
by gwood on Mar 18, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh...
what's that mean? (afraid to search google images)
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 18, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, hockey reference
the ball went between his legs. I'm not even a hockey player
by gwood on Mar 18, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah.
well, he's up now, so he can redeem himself... :D
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 18, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Ball went through his legs...
by Lou In Blue on Mar 18, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm afraid to even think about it.
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
by BlueSox on Mar 18, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not too bad.
Not great, but not too bad.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Mar 18, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
runners
on first and second, 1 out. Teehan up
by gwood on Mar 18, 2008 4:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, unless the Cubs are the Bears
Well Cubs are Bears....anyways.
If ST ended today, Marquis is the 5th starter, excuse on eof the 5 starters. He certainly CERTAINLY is earning it.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer
by Hammer on Mar 18, 2008 4:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually if the Cubs are the Bears
That would mean every coach and every teammate knows Dempster is the better pitcher as does everyone who knows the game and will go with Dempster despite not having as good of a training camp.
Because every coach and player on the Bears knew Grossman was the better QB in 06.
Of course the comparison isn't really fair to Marquis because Marquis is facing the same level of competition that Dempster is while Griese played the 2nd through 4th string in the preseason.
Although you are right if you say Griese doesn't lose the Super Bowl. We don't get there with him.
We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Mar 18, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know....
I think people like Dempster as a person better, but as a pitcher? He hasn't started since what, 2001? At least with Marquis you know you'll get a solid 15 starts before All-Star break.... then not so much.
"The one that invent the light tried 2,000 times and finally he did it, we have light...I don't want to spend 2,000 times to win Opening Day" Carlos Zambrano
by CubsBullsBears on Mar 18, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My response
My resonse was more about his Bears comparison.
The Bears listened to their heads not the fans and idiot media and stayed with Grossman and went to the Super Bowl.
Maybe Dempster will take us to the world series.
We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Mar 18, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
except he has started more recently
spring training, just a few weeks back.
He's doing pretty good, too.
Just sayin'.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 18, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marquis is starting the 6th
with Eyre loosening up.
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson
by JohnM on Mar 18, 2008 4:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stevie Eyre!?
Uh-oh.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Mar 18, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coming in already
after lead off hitter drove hard hit single
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson
by JohnM on Mar 18, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmph.
Hope Stevie has got his stuff wired tight today.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Mar 18, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
On the broadcast just now, you could hear a fan shout, "Come on, Stevie!"
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson
by JohnM on Mar 18, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
That's great!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Mar 18, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stevie Ire
is the proper way to say his name. That's what's on his glove.
It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.
by Josh77 on Mar 18, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 IP in ST
Is probably equivalent to 7 IP in the regular season. I think the Cubs would like that out of their 5th starter. Dempster next start is huge for him. If he sucks it up again and Marquis doesn't get traded, I have to think Marquis would make the starting rotation.
by lemon20pie on Mar 18, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i THINK
i THINK Hendry is probably dangling both Dempster and Marquis as trade bait and whoever is bit on first is gone.
We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Mar 18, 2008 4:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
so...
what's happening? GD is stalled... :P
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 18, 2008 4:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
top of sixth
two on (base hit off Marquis on 2nd) and walk by Eyre on 1st. 2 out (Pop out and line out.)
by gwood on Mar 18, 2008 4:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So what's left to look forward to in the game?
Wood isn't pitching today correct?
by lemon20pie on Mar 18, 2008 4:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see Stevi Air
have a successful outing.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Mar 18, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cedeno
line drive single to lead of btm of 6th
by gwood on Mar 18, 2008 4:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Aaaannnnd we want Theriot
over Cedeno why?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 18, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gritty white-guy-ness
for one.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Mar 18, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's Sam Fuld's
biggest asset.
It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.
by Josh77 on Mar 18, 2008 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game Day
thinks Marquis is batting...
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 18, 2008 4:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
theriot
bunt mishandled by the pitcher everyone safe. Ruled a single
by gwood on Mar 18, 2008 4:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only person that thinks...
...that right down the first base line was NOT where Theriot ment to push that bunt?
by cwyers on Mar 18, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Theriot
also thinks that...
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Mar 18, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eyre pitches well,
and Ronny gets a hit. The Apocalypse is upon us....
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Mar 18, 2008 4:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
soriano
uncomfortable hitting with people on base, struck out.
by gwood on Mar 18, 2008 4:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Soriano doesn't strike out appreciably more...
...with men on base in front of him. (There is a slight increse, but it's not that significant.) He does walk quite a bit more with men on base in front of him, though.
by cwyers on Mar 18, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dlee
grounder to third mishandled, got runner at second. 1st and 3rd, two out
by gwood on Mar 18, 2008 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
w00t!
ARAM with the homer!!!!
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 18, 2008 4:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How did you know that?
I just heard it on my gameday audio!
by teacher tom on Mar 18, 2008 4:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If there was a sarcastic icon here
Sue would've known you were being sarcastic and what you said was actually funny and she would've laughed out loud.
by lemon20pie on Mar 18, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got a friend on IM
who's watching it on CSN...
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 18, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that Aram's
first HR? Do Sori and dlee have any?
I just want to win the last game of the season.
by Me and Lou WS 07 on Mar 18, 2008 4:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Soriano hit one
on Sunday, didn't he?
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 18, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fukudome gets hit...
in the side of the head on a steal attempt. He looks OK..but EPatt is brought in to run for him.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 18, 2008 4:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
jeez
he sure is taking a beating this week.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 18, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fukudome...
...is lucky he didn't dislocate his ankle on that slide. Did you see his front foot catch and buckle under a bit? That was close to not being too good. I have seen that happen before and it isn't pretty.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Mar 18, 2008 4:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah..
that could have been Jason Kendall ugly...(shiver).
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 18, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Len Kasper is my hero.
Talking about how you need to be able to steal bases at least 75% of the time to be effective. Awesome.
by cwyers on Mar 18, 2008 4:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic
We do need a sarcasm indicator.
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
by BlueSox on Mar 18, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was serious.
Because he's right. If your SB% is less than 75 you might as well not bother.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Mar 18, 2008 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soto has missed...
2 meatballs in a row. He's not happy with himself.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 18, 2008 4:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
can you say wholesale changes
cedeno in at short
cintron at 3rd
hoffpauer at 1st
ePat somewhere in the outfield
by gwood on Mar 18, 2008 4:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As a matter of fact, yes:
"Wholesale changes".
Dome-san!!
by Goat Whisperer on Mar 18, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
you just "typed" it...that's not the same thing. Can you post a youtube clip of yourself acturally pronouncing the words please?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 18, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who...
who sail...
what sori..
mass substitutions.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 18, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs