Yawn
SCOTTSDALE, Arizona -- It was a gorgeous, not-a-cloud-in-the-evening-sky night in the Valley of the Sun.
A full house, nearly half Cubs fans, at Scottsdale Stadium. (Including a mother and daughter who sat down in front of us, downed about 8 beers between them -- probably at a cost of over $50 -- and then left in the 6th inning, having not watched more than a play or two.)
And while the likely Opening Day starting lineup failed to win Wednesday afternoon in Mesa, a lineup cobbled together with exactly one regular (Geovany Soto), a few backups (Daryle Ward, Matt Murton), a couple of guys who are trying to make the roster (Eric Patterson, Ronny Cedeno), and assorted others, defeated most of the regular Giants' lineup 4-2, in a game that was, well, mostly yawn-inducing.
Jon Lieber didn't have his best stuff but threw well enough to give up only one run in five innings. He was helped by two slick double plays started by Cedeno -- and the second one, Ronny should have asked for help because he was almost bowled over by Ray Durham when he decided to take the play at second by himself instead of flipping to Mike Fontenot.
The rest of the bullpen did a fine job -- Scott Eyre, Bob Howry and Carmen Pignatiello gave up two hits in three innings.
Note that I left someone out in that description. More on that in a moment.
Cedeno, who singled, doubled and tripled yesterday, hit a booming two-run HR in the fifth inning that provided the margin of victory. It landed about 20 feet to our right on the LF berm. With Alex Cintron hurt -- and it must be serious, because had Cintron been healthy, I assume he would have started at 3B in this game -- it seems likely that Cedeno may have played himself onto the roster with his performance the last two days.
Ronny Cedeno has talent. He can hit -- he's hit each of the last two springs, although that hasn't translated to the regular season -- and he can make the spectacular, Web Gem type plays, while occasionally screwing up in the field on what should be routine grounders. As we saw last season, he occasionally lacks basic baseball smarts (really, how can you get thrown out oversliding second base on a walk??). But if he can smarten up and not play for getting on SportsCenter, he might be a valuable addition to this team.
I said I'd come back to the bullpen, and Jose Ascanio, who also has talent, came in to a save situation in the 9th and nearly blew it. He walked the first two men he faced -- barely getting near the strike zone, he had no command at all -- and after getting the next two hitters to fly out, he gave up a double down the line to Rajai Davis that scored the Giants' second run and put the tying run in scoring position. A visit to the mound by Larry Rothschild -- in which he probably said something along the lines of, "Hey kid! It's late, let's get out of here!" -- produced a popup to Murton in foul territory to end the game. Talent isn't going to be enough for Ascanio -- he's going to have to learn to throw strikes, and will likely be doing so at Iowa this year. I was surprised to not see Neal Cotts tonight, given the fact that I have heard teams want to scout him. He hasn't pitched since Saturday, and tomorrow is the deadline to cut players and not have to pay them their full salary. I see some moves coming. (No, not THAT move, although there was a Roberts sighting tonight. DAVE Roberts, the Giants' left fielder.)
Night games in the spring seem -- well, a little odd. The crowds seem more subdued, and tonight, of course, no "regular" Cubs (save Soto) played. Still, it was a pleasant way to enjoy an Arizona evening, and a win is a win (I'm sure Lou was pleased at that, anyway). Off to sleep. It's late, and that "Yawn" in the headline is overtaking me.
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Rotation
It seems that Lieber is definitely in the rotaion now. Do you think he is at #3 or #5 ?
by roscoevillage on Mar 20, 2008 12:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope
Lieber is in the rotation, but I'm scared that he could end up in the bullpen. Lou was very impressed with Dempster in camp before the games started, so one of the rotation spots were always his to lose. So after todays game, I think Dempster showed Lou enough to lock down a rotation spot. If it was up to me Dempster would be back in the pen, but Piniella likes his stuff over Marquis and Lieber. So the final spot in the rotation is going to come down to Marquis and Lieber. I think Piniella would rather have Lieber in the rotation then Marquis, and would like the Cubs to trade Marquis. But if Hendry can't trade Marquis I fear that Lieber could end up in the pen, since he's willing to go to the pen, and Marquis isn't. With both pitching really well this spring, it gives Piniella a easy way out. Personally I think Lieber track record speaks for itself and even at 38 is still better pticher then Marquis and Dempster. So I'll be pretty disappointed if he ends up in the pen. So as long as Lieber is in the rotation I don't care if it's Dempster or Marquis is the other starter, but Marquis has been better this spring so I think he deserves it over Dempster. But it looks like Dempster will start the third game of the season against the Brewers as of right now.
by cubsfan25 on Mar 20, 2008 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spring Training Experience
Al - Not sure what to make of your comment about the mother-daughter sitting in front of you in Scottsdale tonight. I spent the last two afternoons at HoHoKam - today on the left-centerfield berm with my four year old daughter. I bought her hat, t-shirt, lunch and ice cream. Surely I spent more than $50 bucks and she didn't really 'see' more than 2 or 3 plays in the 8 innings we were there - so I take a bit of offense at your comments. Glad I wasn't sitting in front of you this afternoon. Baseball games are for entertainment - and are to be experienced however one chooses (provided they aren't taking away from others experience). I appreciate the fact that you, Al, take the time to watch the game and provide insight on what you see in a way I can't get anywhere else. But at the same time I like to think that there is a place in baseball for family to get together, have a cocktail and not be judged about whether they're keeping score.
Dang...I just want something to root for in September
by GamePenguin on Mar 20, 2008 1:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My take on his comment was that it's no fun sitting behind those people who are there to booze it up and disregard the fact that they are at a sporting event. I've sat behind those people- it can get distracting at times even if they aren't blatantly being fools.
That being said, the experience is going to be different for you with your 4 year old as opposed to this woman and her [I'm assuming] over 21 year old daughter. Most sane and rational people would notice and appreciate the difference between the two scenarios. I don't think he was dogging the fact she was there with her daughter. You're right, a baseball game is a place for families to be together. Kudos to you for getting her into the game early on!
#26406
by puco on Mar 20, 2008 3:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of all the things to fixate on...
The comment was, in all probablility, a casual comment questioning why some folks chose to come to the ballpark. 180 degrees different situation than takinga kid. I'm not sure my 4 year old has seen nine innings combined from the dozen or so games she's been to. Let's focus on the baseball commentary.
by sdurst on Mar 20, 2008 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Although nothing was said that was explicitly judgemental about these people, I don't understand why these people were pointed out.
Should we imply that there's something wrong with drinking 4 beers at a ballgame?
Spending over $50 on beer?
Drinking with your daughter assuming she's an adult?
Leaving a spring training game in the 6th inning?
All these things are legal and pretty much socially acceptable the last time I checked. I guess I just rolled my eyes when I read that because it's out of character with this blog and sounds like something my girlfriend's mother would point out.
by Waveland on Mar 20, 2008 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait what?
I really don't get the Mom and Daughter comment. You really don't say how you felt about it, you just throw it out there.
Now we're telling people how to spend their time and money?
"It makes sense it really does" -Lou on Soriano hitting 3-4-5
by TheRamZamDLEE on Mar 20, 2008 5:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude...
cut Al some slack! He just made a comment about the game not a judgement that sends someone to jail!
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Mar 20, 2008 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the love....
I'm not going to speak for Al, but when I read that comment, I think he was trying to say something like, if you're not there to watch any of the game, why would you be there spending $8 on a beer when you could be somewhere else doing the same thing for half the price. Makes sense to me. There's plenty of things to do in Az this time of year where you can enjoy the sport of beer drinking without having to pay $8 a pop for a beer.
by lemon20pie on Mar 20, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha but
its their choice, they can do what they want.
if i have to chose between drinking a $5 beer in a bar, or an $8 beer at a ballgame im not really going to pay a ton of attention to, id much rather spend the $8 at a night baseball game.
no one is tryign to burn al at the stake here, just questioning why bring this up in the first place, it happens all the time, especially at wrigley. this is america people.
Bill James Felix Pie 2008 Projection: .283/.333/.456 16 HR 21 SB
by kylejo on Mar 20, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But...
Why point out other's actions without explaining why you're doing it? The assumption is that the pointer-outer disapproves of the actions. I could be wrong, but Al's post didn't sound to me like he was interested in helping these ladies save money.
by Waveland on Mar 20, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I swear
Only Cub fans would be so offended by such an innocent comment about someone questioning why someone would be at a baseball game spending $8 on a beer and for all they knew, they were at a hockey game.
My advice: Lighten up.
by lemon20pie on Mar 20, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing about that comment
is that when I've been at Wrigley, in the bleachers, there are people everywhere that don't seem to give a damn about the actual game, and are simply focused on getting loaded. I didn't really like it, but they paid their money, just like I did. It comes with the territory when you sit in the bleachers.
Not everyone is as into baseball, especially spring training ball, as we are. Let's not get too snobby about who we want at the game.
BRob, DLee, Fuke, ARam, Sori, Soto, Pie, Theriot - Done.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Mar 20, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't commenting about...
... whether they should have been there or not, simply noting that all they were doing was drinking, spending far more than they would have at a bar, and had to spend $8 just to get in to do it.
Kind of a waste of money.
And it is at the bleachers in Wrigley, too, only the "cover charge" there is $45, not $8.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Mar 20, 2008 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is exactly why I ....
....fill my Evian bottle with vodka before attending such an event. Sves me tons of $$$
I'm drunk......and it shows.....
by Keystone80435 on Mar 20, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cedeno
"it seems likely that Cedeno may have played himself onto the roster with his performance the last two days".
I might be wrong and I if I am I hope someone will correct me, but is he not out of options? One of three things can happen with Cedeno. He has to stay on the 25 man roster, be traded or cut.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
by wild bill on Mar 20, 2008 7:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just say no to Cedeno
He's proven time and time and time again that he can't hack it at the big league level. Mr. Low Baseball IQ needs to be banished permanently to Triple A. Better still, he needs to be traded out of the organization.
by MDBNIU on Mar 20, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think it was possible...
...but finally something we agree on.
by lemon20pie on Mar 20, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was unfortunate enough..
..to have seen the Giants play twice in ST this year. That team will lose 100 games, no doubt especially in that division. They are awful at nearly every position and their $126m ace has had quite the spring with an ERA north of 14.00 with 21 ER's!.
I am amazed Sabean is still employed.
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.
by JB 23 on Mar 20, 2008 8:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
The Giants are a really bad team. If, as has been rumored, they trade for Joe Crede, he'll be the best player on the team. Crede isn't a bad player, but if he is your BEST player, you are in trouble.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Mar 20, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: MotherDaughterBeerGate controversy...
Let's review the situation - two fans, presumably of age, in the outfield seating area during a night game, drink lots of beers and leave in the 6th inning, apparently without having watched much of the game.
It's simple, really. Seems to me that these were just your typical Cubs fans trying to get in shape for the regular season. Hey, bleacher folks need Spring Training too... ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Mar 20, 2008 8:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WTG ball
It's 7 AM and you've already won the Post of the Day! Well done.
by lemon20pie on Mar 20, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Just Hope Both Are Of Age...
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 20, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lookin'
for a little one on two action? :P
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 20, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And don't forget the Lincoln Park Trixies. On more than one occasion I've seen people have to make room in the bleechers for Lincoln Park Trixies showing up in the 6th inning becuase they couldnt find a close enough parking spot for the converible bmw
I'm drunk......and it shows.....
by Keystone80435 on Mar 20, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its spring training
isnt spending you money on overpriced beers and leaving early during a sping training kinda a like tailgateing at a preseason football game and leaving at half time
when else are the fans supposes to get in mid season form?
Dempster....Number 3 starter?????????
by cubsfaninkc on Mar 20, 2008 9:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing...
...that there was more to it that Al didn't go into for him to make such an innocent comment.
My guess, they spilled beer on his scorecard!
by lemon20pie on Mar 20, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, no.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Mar 20, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some people
come to the day games just to have a few pops and work on their tans and could care less about the game. Oh, just like at Wrigley ;)
I didn't get the feeling Al was being derogatory or anything, just his observation.
Spring Training is all about what you want out of it. When my brother in law comes out, he drinks a beer an inning and watches every pitch, just like he does at the Friendly Confines. Everyone's interest level in the game and how many beers they want to drink are different lol
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Mar 20, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell Andy enough...
Give Andy until say mid-night Saturday to pull the tigger on the Roberts deal or move on to finding the outfielder with alittle pop..... This has been unfair to DeRosa, and the fans to some extent, and is becoming very annoying at this point....
by James031 on Mar 20, 2008 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Distraction
I agree. The fact that the Cubs have kept the talks going despite all of the Orioles' waffling just tell you how badly Hendry and Pinella want Roberts-but at what point is it no longer worth the distraction?
by bluekoolaide on Mar 20, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Baltimore Sun Writers...
... think it will get done in the next 10 days. That's the end of spring training...
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 20, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those Baltimore Sun writers...
... have been saying stuff like that for about two months now. "The Boy Who Cried Wolf", anyone?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Mar 20, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT- March Madness has begun..
..and only two weeks until opening day.
Things are looking up after a longggg winter..
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.
by JB 23 on Mar 20, 2008 11:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cedeno Homer
My friend (a brewers fan) was at the game last night and caught the Cedeno home run ball. He just told me that he threw it back? If someone witnessed this, could you confirm that he actually threw back a cubs home run ball?
by steinmer on Mar 20, 2008 12:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see anyone throw it back.
But then, I wasn't really watching, either.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Mar 20, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't tell
Thanks Al. I couldn't tell if he was pulling my leg or not, since he told me this over a txt message.
by steinmer on Mar 20, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeeze
for it being the first day of spring there are a lot of ouchy people on here today. :-)
by sue369 on Mar 20, 2008 1:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats cuz snow is in the forcast the next 3 days....
I'm drunk......and it shows.....
by Keystone80435 on Mar 20, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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