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Tigers Interested in Wuertz

 

I just don't get this one.  Why would the Cubs even consider this.  Michael Wuertz is an important cog in the Cubs middle relief.  And for Inge?  

Kasey

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080321/SPORTS02/80321002/1050/sports

With Fernando Rodney and Joel Zumaya out for undetermined lengths of time, the Tigers have continued trade talks with clubs that have surplus relief pitching.

Chicago Cubs right-hander Michael Wuertz has emerged as one of the Tigers' targets. Wuertz, 29, appeared in 73 games last year, with a 2-3 record and 3.48 ERA.

The Cubs have considered adding another right-handed hitter, and they are believed to have some interest in Brandon Inge and Marcus Thames. The San Francisco Giants have also asked about Inge.

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Thames maybe...

no Inge.

Damn Nutrisystem...I'm freakin dyin for some Italian beef!

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 21, 2008 7:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Just a rumor...

I think Wuertz is too valuable to our bullpen to give up

"The one that invent the light tried 2,000 times and finally he did it, we have light...I don't want to spend 2,000 times to win Opening Day" Carlos Zambrano

by CubsBullsBears on Mar 21, 2008 8:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Maybe some other possibility

I was concerned about Wuertz' durability, and open to trading him over the Winter, but he seems fine now, and we shouldn't let him go.

However, I hope Hendry investigates Lahey or Ascanio for Freddy Guzman, to fill our backup CF spot.

Also, the Tigers' fifth starter isn't clear. Maybe Detroit is proposing a Marquis for Inge swap, and asking for Wuertz in the deal.

Free the upper deck!

by cubzfan on Mar 21, 2008 8:19 AM CDT reply actions  

I do not trade Michael Wuertz

Unless we get something great, the Tigers are going to be awesome offensively, if they wont Wuertz they better pony up.

I always thought Wuertz was a forgetten guy in the pen, and in this case, its a good reason because he is solid.,

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 21, 2008 8:24 AM CDT reply actions  

While Thames aint great...

he has some nice pop. I always thought I would have rather had him than Monroe. I'm sure he wasn't an option but he is not bad, especially as a backup. I do like Wuertz though, he has been fairly consistent.

Damn Nutrisystem...I'm freakin dyin for some Italian beef!

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 21, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

They can...

be interested all they want, but Wuertz is an established middle relief arm that we need.

You ARE freaking out MAN!

by crw89 on Mar 21, 2008 8:41 AM CDT reply actions  

i agree..

wuertz is worth more than some tigers garbage. thames is a strikeout king with absolutely no speed. if hendry was gonna do some garbage deal like this he should just sign kenny lofton and see what happens.

GO CUBS GO!!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Mar 21, 2008 8:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Inge would be useless.

Where would he play? Were not gonna add a bench player for a strong arm in the bullpen. He was so valuable last year, ranking 2nd in the league in percentageof inherited runners scored. Of course, he was second to Marmol.

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying" - Michael Jordan, the one and only...

by LPLancer23 on Mar 21, 2008 8:49 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree Wuertz is worth more

than Thames or Inge with his contract. How would you guys feel about Inge if the Tigers paid over half the contract? He wouldn't be totally useless if he could play both CF and C.

What about Ryan Raburn?

by DGU on Mar 21, 2008 9:19 AM CDT reply actions  

I doubt that this...

... is anything more than a rumor. The Cubs' interest in Inge, I had thought, was debunked a month ago.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 21, 2008 9:31 AM CDT reply actions  

boy I hope so...

..doesnt really add up anyway..

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Mar 21, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Man...

that looks like some wild ass tea leaves reading by the writer.

Fact is, that staff has looked bad this spring, and I expect them to be on the phone non-stop with any club that looks to be carrying extra ML relievers about a deal between now and Opening Day.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 21, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

i dont know al..

i'm a huggge hendry supporter but this sadly sounds like a player he would go and get.

GO CUBS GO!!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Mar 21, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Inge rumor...

... was started because someone thought he could be the RH hitter in CF. Inge played a handful of games there four years ago. He hit poorly last year. I can't imagine why Hendry would want him.

In any case, the answer to the RH platoon question should have been settled yesterday. For those few games you want to sit Pie vs. LHP, play Fukudome in CF and Murton in RF. No need to make a trade at all.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 21, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

LSA!!!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 21, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right On

Yeah, that seems like the best idea.

by ms9av on Mar 21, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, this is pretty disturbing.

Isn't that the late Heath Ledger?

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Mar 21, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

LAMO!

We got a new picture for "loud sustained appluase".
That picture really cracsk me up. Im still laughing after the third time ilooked up and away from the keyboard. lol.

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying" - Michael Jordan, the one and only...

by LPLancer23 on Mar 23, 2008 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I'm not sure why this isn't getting more attention, at least from the media. It's a built in option already available to the team, no need to trade something of value for something overrated. Dome can certainly play center well enough and Murton can certainly play right well enough. Plus, where are at-bats going to come from for Murton if the team trades for a Pie-caddy? Pinch hits? That really doesn't seem like it's putting him in a position to succeed.

I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. - Robert McCloskey

by pageian on Mar 21, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Hendry wanted to find Murton a starting job somewhere

but looking around ML LFs, I'm not sure there is one, which may make this option more likely than it was when Murton seemed to be heading out the door. I think the Cubs are likely to be a better team with Murton than w/ Byrd and also minus what they'd need to trade for Byrd.

by DGU on Mar 21, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope for

us Murton fans you are correct.

by sue369 on Mar 21, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Agree

In my opinion, Wuertz was a very important peice of our bullpen.
At the begining of the year he was the only guy who could get outs in our pen. You can always count on him for 1 to 3 solid innings. Or at least that is how i remember him.

I just wouldnt want to dismantle our bull pen.

by StuKatt on Mar 21, 2008 9:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

Terrible idea. Its from a Detroit writer, so maybe it is wishful thinking on his part. I wouldn't want Inge or Thames on this team at all, including a scenario where they eat Inge's contract, unless we can throw Inge back to the Orioles and some how get Sherril in the deal that shall not be named.

by jbertram on Mar 21, 2008 9:45 AM CDT reply actions  

I would like to ask one question though...

what is it exactly that makes Weurtz so special that you wouldn't trade him for a needed piece? I realize that he has quietly established himself as an above average reliever, however he's been relegated to middle relief, and that role doesn't appear to be changing this year. Further, Kevin Hart seems to be quickly moving up the food chain, with guys like Ceda Ascanio not far behind. Aren't we overvaluing the position just a bit?

Frankly, the Cubs turn out RH ML relievers like smokers go through fags, so if someone offers fair value that can fill a need for Michael, I won't shed a tear.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 21, 2008 9:50 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I Agree With You...

... but I don't think Detroit has a needed piece for us.

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Mar 21, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let Me Re-phrase That...

... Detroit definitely has pieces we need - just nothing that they would be willing to part with. :-|

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Mar 21, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I suspect that you're right..

although I'm a little fascinated by Raburn. I'm just trying to understand why he is deemed so critical as not to trade by some of the posters.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 21, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying Wuertz is untradeable but...

...he has proven his ability to pitch effectively at the major league level. Hart, Ascanio, Ceda...none of these guys have done that. I've loved what I've seen from Hart, but those other two remain pretty large-font question marks. Were I Jim Hendry, I wouldn't take the chance -- at least not for the Detroit players mentioned.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Mar 21, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

After reviewing

the Tigers roster, outside of their starters there is not one player I would trade Wuertz for. Not just some of the names mentioned, but any one on their 40 man roster.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 21, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dont think it will happen

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 21, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Michael Wuertz's ability...

...to strand opposing runners is truly remarkable. And you just can't overstate the importance of his success in this area. I think if Hendry even thought about trading him for a backup outfielder, Lou would rip Jimbo's cell phone from his hand and deposit it somewhere that the Arizona sun does not shine.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Mar 21, 2008 9:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Another thought here

Wuertz could be available, but not so much to the Tigers, and this leak of Wuertz' name could be a move to increase interest in two other teams whose rosters I think match up better for the Cubs in trade possibilities - the Indians and the White Sox.

by DGU on Mar 21, 2008 11:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Brandon Inge

I think Brandon Inge would be good to get. He can catch play third and play outfield.

by chicub127 on Mar 21, 2008 11:44 AM CDT reply actions  

He just doesnt

play baseball well.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 21, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going to assume..

one of 3 things...either your being sarcastic, you've never actually looked at Brandon Inge's career statistics, or you don't like the Chicago Cubs.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 21, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interestingly enough

The most comparable player to Brandon Inge on baseball-reference is Bob Brenley.

Also on the comparable players list was Jason LaRue, which would be enough for me to tell the Tigers thanks, but no thanks

by sheamcmurray on Mar 21, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

WHAT~

A .241 life time batting average does not give you the warm and fuzzy?

The more I look at that picture of Spears, the more she looks like a mouse. (Okay I set you up)

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 21, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's Coach K's long lost love child...

n/t

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 21, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

thames

can rake. 882 ops in 2006. too bad he cant play center.

Bill James Felix Pie 2008 Projection: .283/.333/.456 16 HR 21 SB

by kylejo on Mar 21, 2008 12:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't worry

Cubs aren't trading Wuertz for either Inge or Thames.

by Bruce Miles on Mar 21, 2008 12:29 PM CDT reply actions  

And with that...

...the thread went dead.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Mar 21, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Every party

needs a pooper, so I guess this party we had to have Bruce.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 21, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you, Bruce.

I wouldn't trade a warm six-pack of Blatz for Inge or Thames.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 21, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

No seriously

they still make Blatz?

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 21, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Pabst bought it and still makes it.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 21, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Killing me here

Not being a beer drinker not sure if they still did. I do recall back in the day in northern WI. the old Blatz sign hanging on the telephone pole at the really upscale (really?) resort we stayed at.

If anything just the word Blatz brought back some good memories of my youth.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 21, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's a list of local purveyors of this fine brew:

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HARTMAN BEVERAGE COMPANY, INC FREEPORT 61032 (815) 233-9916

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"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 21, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure

if I saw what you did for a living in the diary a few weeks ago. But going out on a limb, something tells me either you are involved with the beer industry or just guzzle the stuff:)

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 21, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm studying philosophy

with plans to pursue a Ph.D, and work as tutor.

I just love beer, in all it's various incarnations.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 21, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's a wonderful book

the combines my two passions: http://www.amazon.com/Beer-Philosophy-Unexamined-Drinking-Epicurean/dp/1405154306

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 21, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm happy for

you. The fact you can combine your two passions. I have yet to find a book about model railroading and cooking combined. Who knows maybe I should be the first one to come up with it.

There is ( I think it is still there) in Des Plaines called the Choo Choo. You would sit at the counter and a model train would go around and bring you your plate of food. Guess I got hooked at a really early age.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 21, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's still there!

http://www.thechoochoo.com/

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 21, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Way cool

Thanks. I have to tell you though, last time I was there the engine was coal. I see they have a diesel now..... Road trip.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 21, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the Choo Choo is still there.

My wife and I have driven past it several times and talked about taking our daugther there.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Mar 21, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok

So, is Wuertz available on the trade market?
And, is there anyone on the Tigers' roster that the Cubs are interested in?
Thanks!

by DGU on Mar 21, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haven't heard a peep about him in the mill...

And frankly, past Raburn, no. I may be misreading that ballclub, but after the winter moves, they just don't seem to have much depth anywhere.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 21, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have mentioned

Raburn a couple of times. I see he is something like 28 years old with no real ML experience. Are you bringing his name up only because there is absolutely no one else the Tigers could offer up?

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 21, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, this guy has put up...

VERY nice numbers in the minors over the last few season, and it seems to have carried over into the majors, looking at last years stats. He's been off my radar personally for the most part, but I've chatted with a few knowledgeable Tigers fans on occasion (yes, there are some), and they think it's more about him having been blocked than any issue with his talent or make-up.

Think Eric Patterson, with a better glove. I'm told he's a 2nd baseman by trade.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 21, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

You bring up something

kind of interesting. You mention that maybe he has been blocked. You have to wonder how many players never got the chance to play in the ML due to being blocked.

If not for Pipp getting hurt, we might never have seen Gehrig. DOH

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 21, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

True..

But as I've said before, I think that Detroit situation is one to watch. We're one of their favorite trading partners, and that bullpen seems to be putting them on the verge of making some hasty decisions. They look primed to get robbed.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 21, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do they need a lefty?

Maybe they'd take Neal Cotts.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 21, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually...

I would try dangling Lahey and Carmen out there, and see what they want to give up.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 21, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting idea.

They seem to like the hard-throwing types there...

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 21, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree with you

on the Tigers depth. Also the age factor of both Rodriguez and Shefield might prove not so good. After they made the trade with FL, I though "man these guys are going to be good". But you are right, not much behind the starting line up.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 21, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

spelling police. SHEFFIELD

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 21, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

there's another young slugging outfielder

Brent Clevin or something like that. Saw him quite extensively in spring training last year and the ball just jumped off his bat. I'm pretty sure he's one of the reason they felt somewhat comfortable trading Maybin. Still not worth a Wuertz in my opinion unless we pick up another dependable arm in another trade to replace Wuertz in the pen.

Yes, I like Hart, Ceda, Asciano, et al, but they're not dependable (yet), and our primary focus still has to be on 2008.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 21, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

you also have Wuertz's experience. The guy for the past three years has churned out some decent outings. So if you did move him, not sure if you could really replace him with basically unproven talent.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Mar 21, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like...

... the Detroit Free Press guy is their version of Gordon Wittenmyer, making stuff up.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 21, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

After

reading most of the posts it appears the majority agrees Wuertz is tradeable, just not for Inge. Thats reassuring, after reading a few of these I thought the Wuertz statue was being erected opposite Harry's. Also the concern to get Murton AB's is frightening. Wurtz,Murton,Derosa,Theriot....are all solid human beings and baseball players. An upgrade is an upgrade though. Sometimes it appears we're afraid to hurt their feelings for the better part of the team.

by Comfortably Numb on Mar 22, 2008 10:34 AM CDT reply actions  

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