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The Game No One Wanted

MESA, Arizona -- Nine of us are going out to dinner in about an hour, a long-planned annual event to celebrate spring training and the coming season.

Naturally, that meant that today's game had to be the longest of the spring so far, and it was, three hours and sixteen minutes of ultimately nothing, an 8-8 tie between the Cubs and the White Sox in which the Sox blew leads of 4-0, 5-4 and 8-5 while Brian Omogrosso, an importee from the Sox minor league camp, gave up three runs to the Cubs in the bottom of the 10th. The Cubs had chances to win with the winning run on base with less than two out in both the 9th and 10th -- in the 9th, Micah Hoffpauir hit into a double play on the first pitch he saw (maybe the gild is off the lily now?) and in the 10th, with Ronny Cedeno on third with one out, Casey McGehee struck out and Sam Fuld grounded to short, and that was that.

Nevertheless, I won a drink tonight. Jessica, who is here from NYC for the weekend, told me she would buy me a drink if Ronny Cedeno walked with the bases loaded. Which he then proceeded to to. When Matt Murton, the next hitter, came up, I offered to match that if he hit a walkoff hit of any kind (with the bases loaded and the Cubs then down by two, a triple or HR). Jermaine Dye lost Murton's ball in the tough late-inning sun, so I'm up one drink.

Today's crowd of 12,865 was not a record, but I don't think I have ever seen so many people crowded onto the lawn, and standing behind the last row of box seats. There were quite a few Sox fans evident, as you probably heard on the radio this afternoon.

We had a booth set up next to Fergie Jenkins' to sell copies of Wrigley Season Ticket (which you can still order online by clicking that link -- shameless plug), and Fergie signed some of the copies. Bruce Miles stopped by to say hi. In all, 28 copies were sold in the booth today, and we'll be out there Monday again when the Cubs face the Rangers. (Three different people came up to me while I was sitting there and asked me if I was Jay Johnstone, who had a booth on the other side of us.)

Good today: Kosuke Fukudome, who had two hits and reached two other times; he could have had three hits but a tough error given to Juan Uribe took that third possible hit away. Kerry Wood again looked outstanding in dispatching the Sox in the 7th, striking out two. Bob Howry, who has struggled, had a decent inning. Even Ted Lilly, who wasn't great, managed to complete six innings while only allowing one run. Geovany Soto hit a ringing 400-foot double.

Bad today: Alfonso Soriano, who went 0-for-4, even though he drove in the tying run in the 9th; he struck out twice and looked bad doing it. And Scott Eyre was horrendous -- gave up three hard hits, issued a walk, and generally didn't come close to the plate.

Off to dinner. I haven't even had time to look through the game thread -- hope there aren't any explosions in there! Will check later tonight. Jason Marquis (who may have a spot in the rotation after all -- heard today that if Rich Hill has another bad start, he may be optioned to Iowa) will face Greg Maddux.

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Being at the game, Al, you missed that Pat Hughes gave the book a huge plug during the radio broadcast of the game. He even mentioned your name.

I especially liked the part where Pat said that the articles weren't just about the current Cubs but about "up and comers in the farm system."

It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.

by Josh Timmers on Mar 22, 2008 7:23 PM CDT reply actions  

They listed some of the contributors

but Al and Bruce Miles were the most prominent! Congrats to Al! It's kinda like knowing a star you don't actually really know, lol

Geovany Soto you're my Hero

by love the ivy on Mar 22, 2008 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I listened to the archive.

Very, very cool and a really nice plug from Pat. Glad he enjoyed the book.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 22, 2008 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al, make sure to thank Pat next time you see him

Pat & Ron both had kinds words to say about WST2008. Pat said he has already read it cover to cover (on a flight from Chicago to Phoenix), and Ron said he was just starting to read it. Left himself wide open for Pat to jump in with something like "...so, you'll be finished by the All-Star break?" but I guess Pat was sleeping.

At any rate, that $20 you slapped on him was well worth it... ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 22, 2008 7:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Okay..I'm intrigued

..so I just orderd 4 copies. One for myself and the balance for my season ticket holder partners in crime.

Lets see if I can get through it before opening day!

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Mar 22, 2008 7:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks!

I know you'll enjoy it and so will your friends.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 22, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haven't left quite yet.

After I posted this, I got an email from a friend who heard the plug on WGN radio -- I knew they had tried to arrange this, I'm grateful for the plug.

And Josh, I'm grateful to YOU for the great articles you wrote about Tyler Colvin and Alex Maestri.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 22, 2008 7:42 PM CDT reply actions  

it was

almost like an Oscar speech. They named everyone. I thought they were gonna get cut off for going on so long about it haha

I'm still getting started with mine but I did read the Colvin article. Hopefully he'll be the real deal.

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 22, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al

If you have Gameday Audio and want to hear it, it was in the bottom of the 5th at about 1:51 on my run through the archive.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Mar 22, 2008 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks! I'll listen later.

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 22, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had fun

even if it was a little stressful. And it was really cool to hear it mentioned by Pat Hughes.

It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.

by Josh Timmers on Mar 23, 2008 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

yup...

Micah Hoffpauir hit into a double play on the first pitch he saw (maybe the gild is off the lily now?)
Because you know how one at-bat tells us so much.

I saw Neifi Perez hit a home run once. He must be awesome.

by big_lowitzki on Mar 22, 2008 7:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Piniella Settles On The Batting Order...

... looks like the lineup today is it, with Theriot swapped for Fontenot.

So, that's:
1. Theriot
2. Soriano
3. Lee
4. Ramirez
5. Fukudome
6. DeRosa
7. Soto
8. Pie

Source: http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5j_BESWw710nxfk2WKGGGmBxmA2YQ

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Mar 22, 2008 8:15 PM CDT reply actions  

It.Won't. Last....

Fukudome is just not a slugger, and it was pretty evident after the first few ST games. I wish Lou luck with the experiment, but me thinks he'll be hitting in the top 3 by Memorial Day.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 22, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully

he won't have a reason to cause the Cubbies will be Winning.

by lilkimmer77 on Mar 22, 2008 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 22, 2008 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe

Actually I dont mind this. Until Dome gets his bat in check I think he sits good at 5. He'll see a lot of when Ramirez gets pitched around.

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 22, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

My Father Heard...

...on am radio today that the anticipated meeting with Rothschild, Hendry and Hill happened.

In essence, Piniella told Hill to relax - his spot in the rotation is secure.

Sounds a little different from what Al heard...

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Mar 22, 2008 8:17 PM CDT reply actions  

So despite Lou

making light of Hill's terrible outing, if Hill implodes in his last outing of ST, he'll be optioned to Iowa? Go figure.

by lemon20pie on Mar 22, 2008 8:38 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd like to know the source for

the concept that Hill could be sent to AAA.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 22, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

My source is common sense

He's obviously struggling with not his pitches, but command of those pitches and with regular season a week away, that's not a good thing. Like I've said before, Hill starting the season in AAA if these struggles continue, is not a bad thing. He'll only be down there for a couple of starts to work on his mechanics and or whatever the heck is going on with him and his inability to throw strikes. Better him work on those things there, than against ML level competition where it could really screw him up.

Plus the Cubs can afford to do that because of all the off days in the beginning of the season and they can go with a 4 man rotation.

by lemon20pie on Mar 22, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, I tend to agree

that it makes a kind of sense, but Al wouldn't say it if he didn't have a source.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 22, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

So then

who takes Hills place is he really gets sent to AAA? Maquis?

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 22, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually I am wrong

They wouldn't go with a 4 man rotation. It'd be:

zambrano
Lilly
Dempster
Lieber
Marquis

or something like that.

by lemon20pie on Mar 22, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey!

Maybe Rob Dibble is still available....

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 22, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree

I think a lot of people who hear a starter of his "stature" starting the season out in AAA and they think it's nonsense. Like Rich Hill is an established pitcher or something and it's an insult. It's not an insult.

by lemon20pie on Mar 22, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damen

I know though that for sure you and me are not surprised.

by lemon20pie on Mar 22, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting and off topic

Miguel Cabrera and the Tigers reach an agreement on an 8-year 153mil extension. They are loaded.

by louslovechild on Mar 22, 2008 9:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow....

This may be the dumbest major deal I've seen since Denny Neagle. He's under contract thru year 33 now on this deal, at basically 19 million per. It's very likely this is going to look like chump change in four years, leaving him with four years (or more) of below market salary.

He could have stunk this year, and still gotten this much on the FA market, with 200 million a real possibility. There's no loyalty to speak of with Detroit at play, so I really don't get it.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 22, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is amazing

To give a player who's "work ethic" has been questioned an 8 year deal. Mindboggling.

by lemon20pie on Mar 22, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well..

that I don't mind. I think he's got some room to grow, and maybe is ready to grow up a bit, so you take the chance. And I think that's just the new benchmark, given the Soriano, Zito, and Santana deals.

But yeah, I do see your concern.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 22, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

Detroit likes what they see. I heard he lost 25lbs and slimmed up.
8 years is a bit much but you can chalk that up to a good agent.

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 22, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

It does sound mindboggling.

We'll see if Cabrera has actually changed his attitude and approach. If he has, that deal might be seen as cheap in 5 years.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 22, 2008 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's exactly my point...

This deal sounds like his agent should be fired. He left 50 million on the table easy, stuck his player in a contract that takes him well into his decline phase, and it's a below market (or will be in a couple of years) deal at that. And this for what many think is the next great hitter in the game.

Crazy.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 23, 2008 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do you have any idea how hard it must be...

...to turn down an offer of $153 million dollars, guaranteed? He is set for the rest of his life now.

And his agent didn't sign the deal, he did. He could have walked away at any time.

by cwyers on Mar 23, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dont know.

It's like winning the mega millions and takingt he cash option. I'd take the guaranteed 153 mill.

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 23, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

So would I.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 23, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

No doubt about it.

If their pitching staff throws to it's potential then they are headed far into the playoffs.

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 22, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Source?

I don't see it out on mlb.com

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Mar 22, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahh... I See It Out...

...on ESPN.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3307289

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Mar 22, 2008 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meanwhile back at the ranch...

More pictures from Wrigley Field, one day after the snowstorm. I overheard some of the workers talking - they'd been there since 5:00 AM, but nobody is quite sure what the big deal is. Evidently though, whoever is in charge of the field now (wouldn't still be Bossard, would it?) is more than a bit concerned about having it ready for Opening Day. They even had blowers on the infield, trying to get the dirt warmed up, I guess.

Wrigley Winter Wonderland

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 22, 2008 9:54 PM CDT reply actions  

These are great pics only

if say they were taken early in January and now was actually a 95 degree 100% humidity day in July. No really, these are great pics.

Geovany Soto you're my Hero

by love the ivy on Mar 22, 2008 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

They shouldn't work too hard

Forecast is for rain all week then snow/rain Sunday followed by more rain Monday. But a lovely high of 46. I cant wait!

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 22, 2008 9:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Brrrr.

Glad I'm still here.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 22, 2008 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Former All-Star with good tattoos ...

Didn't see it on a quick browse through your fine blog here, but what's the sense of this group of rumored trades for the National's Felipe Lopez?

by Mr.InBetween on Mar 22, 2008 10:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Check again...

There's a FanPost dedicated to it.

Personally, hate it. Marginal upgrade. Bad attitude. Difficult trading partner. I hear they're eating a mil or two, and looking for a low grade prospect...maybe. Pass that, I can only hope Hendry hangs up on Bowden when he calls.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 22, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Loud, sustained applause.

Although, Hendry shouldn't be rude, he should just say, "No thank you" and THEN hang up.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 22, 2008 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate this idea, but....

we are starting the season with what we have. No righty in CF, no TTTWNBN, no Felipe Lopez, even though his arm and bat are better than the Riot.

None of this makes me happy, and it shouldnt make anyone else too thrilled either. I have always thought this team was a good team, but not good enough for what all of us want. Brian Roberts, yeah I said it, is a difference maker. Sean Marshall, Sean Gallagher, Donald Veal, they are not. They are pawns that need to be played. I live in Milwaukee, go to every Cubs game that is here, and a few others because I love baseball. This team here in cheese-land is a spectacular baseball team. They have power, speed, pitching, and they seem to be smart baseball players. If we want to keep the Brewers in our rear view mirror, for one more year at least, difference makers need to be found and had. Hendry knows it, Lou knows it, and even Al knows it.

I have been on here before, and I have said a lot of this same stuff. I have been blasted for not going with the idea that we should stay put. Well, maybe I am not a baseball finance expert, but this team has more money than god, and I continue to think we should go out and get the best players to play all nine positions. I dont want to replace Pie, just have a back-up plan that isnt Sam Fuld. DeRosa is a good 2B, but Roberts is better. Better, not by a small margin, but by leaps and bounds.

So bring it on. Tell me I am foolish, and silly. Maybe we are going to wait till July and cash the chips in then, but this isnt going to be last years NL Central. Bet on it. July may be a little too late.

by louslovechild on Mar 23, 2008 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

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