Who should be the back up CF?
I know I've seen posts discussing who the back up to Pie should be for the Cubs. But now both the Tribune and Sun Times are reporting that the both Reed Johnson and Jeff DaVanon "could draw the Cubs interest." http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/03/eyre-experienci.html and http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/857360,eyrecubs032308.article - Did I do that okay, AL? Never done this before :)
Anyways, give me your feedback on the poll - another new adventure for me... GO CUBS!
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Looks like some spotty reporting from the Suntimes
Specifically, switch-hitting center fielder Jeff DaVanon, who has a career .295 batting average and had a good spring, was released by the San Diego Padres
Baseball-reference has Davanon as a career .259 hitter with a career best .290 in 2006
http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/davanje02.shtml
Aramis Ramirez- NL MVP
Kosuke Fukudome- NL ROY
Carlos Marmol- Rolaids Relief Man
by sheamcmurray on Mar 23, 2008 11:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Matt Murton
Or more specifically, when you want to sit Felix Pie, play Murton in RF and Kosuke Fukudome in CF.
There! Problem solved, no trade necessary.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Mar 23, 2008 11:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LSA!

We have the tools we need.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 24, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what I'm sayin. Murton in RF Dome in CF
I'm drunk......and it shows.....
by Keystone80435 on Mar 24, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Micah Hoffpauir
i like Als ides but just put hoffpauir in right instead, is it me or did it not seem like he has just raked this preseason
by dariot2 on Mar 23, 2008 11:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hoffpauir in RF...
... on a more than emergency basis, would be a disaster.
Plus, he also hits lefthanded, like Pie, so that wouldn't work as a platoon.
Hoffpauir is ticketed for Iowa.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Mar 23, 2008 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to see the handcuffs taken off Pie
the Cubs have enough offense right now to carry them if Pie struggles at first. you platoon him now you'll just set him back a year. I want to see the Cubs do with him what they did with Soto... give him the job and let him make or break himself.
the worst that can happen is we get a .250 BA out of him and stellar CF defense.
by Petrie000 on Mar 24, 2008 12:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It could be a lot worse than that.......
Here are Brian Anderson's numbers from the White Sox in 06 when they just let him play.
2006 24 CHW AL 134 365 46 82 23 1 8 33 4 7 30 90 .225 .290 .359 65 131 2 3 2 5 3
We could survive it, but you shouldn't have to if you are truly in the hunt for the Series!
by Grace17 on Mar 24, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coco Crisp
doesn't want to be a back up. So we would be kinda dumb to trade for him and have him split time with Pie. So if we got him he would have to start in CF, which would suck. Personally I don't get why some still want us to trade for a starting CF and bench Pie. Hasn't Pie earned the job this spring by hitting 300/352/832 with 2 HR and 7 RBI?
I'm all four adding a back up CF, since I know Fukudome doesn't wanna play much CF. But we gotta let Pie play at least mostly against RH pitchers. Marcus Thames, Brandon Inge aren't CF and Lofton sucks as bad as Pie does against LH pitching. So those guys make no sense to add right now. Personally if the Cubs think Reed Johnson can play a ok CF he would be the guy I hope we got after. Reed Johnson is a career 308/.371/.462 hitter against LH pitchers. So a platoon with me and Pie would work very well IMO.
by cubsfan25 on Mar 24, 2008 1:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Coco Crisp as starter? No. Coco Crisp as a back-up = Unhappy player.
by digitalbenjamin on Mar 24, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not voting because
I think there are all sorts of other options who would do well. My view is that the Cubs should get whoever is cheapest to acquire because the value of this position is limited being a backup position. There's absolutely no reason to overpay.
by DGU on Mar 24, 2008 1:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why can't they just let Pie...
go through his growing pains at the ML level. They already know that he would be one of the best CF in the league, so he's not going to be a liability defensively. The Cubs will have enough thump in their lineup to be able to carry Pie hitting 8th in the batting order. You never know, he may surprise. When the light finally goes on with this kid, he is going to be something special. I just hope that it is with the Cubs.
by montecarlo on Mar 24, 2008 2:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Miles thinks
were going to be hot after Reed Johnson.
"Center-field help? Lou Piniella revealed Sunday that the Cubs might be closer to picking up help, perhaps in center field.
"I think the odds increased a little bit today that something might happen," Piniella said.
The Cubs have interest in outfielder Reed Johnson, who was given his unconditional release by the Toronto Blue Jays. They seem to like Johnson better than Jeff DaVanon, who was let go by the Padres.
Back surgery limited Johnson to a .236 average and 2 homers last year. In 2006, he had a .390 on-base percentage.
If the Cubs were to sign Johnson, he'd be a right-handed backup to Felix Pie. General manager Jim Hendry has said he will add at least one player before camp breaks."
by cubsfan25 on Mar 24, 2008 2:42 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Reed Johnson...
...needs to clear waivers. There are two other teams that are interested in him that would get a shot before us.
Is the order determined by the final 2007 record?
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 24, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay,...
I'll bite. Who have you been chatting with that is able to get a peek at waiver claims?
And for that matter, can you confirm that it wasn't an unconditional waiver?
by Damen Jackson on Mar 24, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson was unconditionally released.
Read this article for details.
In any case, no, he does NOT have to clear waivers. He's a free agent.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Mar 24, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLBTR Must Have It Wrong, Then
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/03/who-wants-reed.html
This shows the Rays, Mets and Cubs all have interest.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 24, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They likely do...
MLBTR is nothing more than an aggregate site, with very little research or editorial capability. Their content is only as dependable as the beat writers that they track, who can be hit or miss at best.
by Damen Jackson on Mar 24, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which, In Turn Means...
... Wittenmyer of the SunTimes got it wrong:
Beyond the trade possibilities, San Diego released center fielder Jeff DaVanon, and Toronto released outfielder Reed Johnson, who has played all three outfield spots in his career. The Cubs would have more interest in Johnson if he clears release waivers midweek.
According to MLB's Rules:
Waivers:
A waiver is a permission granted to a Club that desires to assign or release one of its players. There are basically two types of waivers -- waivers for the assignment of a player and waivers for the unconditional release of a player. In both cases, waivers are granted only after all the other Major League Clubs have been given an opportunity to claim the player and none has done so...
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 24, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is very little...
likelihood of someone claiming Johnson on waiver. He'll clear on Wednesday, and will negotiate with those teams as a FA.
by Damen Jackson on Mar 24, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Happened With Uribe?
Was he ever put on "waivers" and did anyone claim him? If he was, he was supposed to fall through.
I heard he was put on "outright waivers". Is that the same as unconditional - cuz if so, he cannot be pulled back.
There's a 72-hour window, right? That time period has expired, but he is still on the 25-man roster, no?
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 24, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a little vague..
on the Uribe situation. But, as I understand it wasn't unconditional. The Sox threw him out there, and called him back before the expiration in an attempt to see what his market was.
by Damen Jackson on Mar 24, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Thought If It Was Unconditional...
...they are not allowed to call him back?
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 24, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was not placed..
on unconditional irrevocable. They had the option to remove him from the wire.
by Damen Jackson on Mar 24, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Hear Ya...
...my response was more of a general question.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 24, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was on
DOUBLE SECRET Waivers!
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Mar 24, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And...
the Cubs would still have first claim amongst that group, if they chose to do so.
by Damen Jackson on Mar 24, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 24, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because the order....
is determined by record, then league. So, asssuming those are the only interested teams, then it would be:
Cubs
Mets
Rays
For the first month of a new season, the previous season's record is the determinant.
by Damen Jackson on Mar 24, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Thought It Went Bottom, Up...
... so it would be
Rays
Mets, and then
Cubs
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 24, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
And the Mets had a better record than the Cubs last year even if did.
by Damen Jackson on Mar 24, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're Right About The Mets...
...they did have a better record than the Cubs last year.
I don't think you're right, though, regarding the order (if it mattered).
In this case, I think it would have gone: Rays, Cubs, then Mets.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 24, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Toronto papers...
...who are all closer to this than Wittenmyer, all say that Johnson has already been granted his unconditional release and is a free agent. No team was going to claim him off waivers and pay him the $3.275 million he's owed; he's now available for the league minimum.
by cwyers on Mar 24, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen..
But initram, I'm off my meds this morning. Reed Johnson is in the AL of course, so the order would have been:
Rays
Cubs
Mets
by Damen Jackson on Mar 24, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha!
By record, then league means by record first. Then, in the event a record is tied between AL and NL team, then it would go to the home league of the player first?
What happens if there is a tie between home leagues?
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 24, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My understanding is...
by league record (same league player resides in), then lowest to higest of the other league.
And no idea about tie-breakers. Sorry.
by Damen Jackson on Mar 24, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most of those aren't even options!
Inge and Thames cannot play CF, so they don't really qualify as an option to back up in CF. If we were considering that route, we might as well stick with Murton as the platoon with Pie, and have Fukudome play CF when Pie sits.
Crisp isn't a realistic option as a backup either. He's chafed at backing up Ellsbury in Boston. I can't imagine he'd be happy being traded to a lesser team to take the wrong end of a platoon role in Chicago.
Lofton is left-handed, which means he's not really suited to be a platoon player with Pie.
So that leaves Reed Johnson and Jeff DaVanon.
Johnson is a corner OF. He has played less than 30 games in CF since 2004, and has less than 70 games there in his entire career. And he's coming off of back problems, which really makes me wonder if he can handle even part-time duty in CF.
DeVanon is the only guy who has actually played CF for any appreciable time. He has a few things going for him as well: he's fairly fast, he gets on base, he can switch hit, and he can play all three OF spots if necessary. He's the guy I'd get out of that group listed. It doesn't hurt that he might not command a trade if he clears waivers.
Other than DaVanon, I'd be okay with a Murton/Pie platoon, with Fukudome playing CF when Murton plays.
by SouthernCub on Mar 24, 2008 9:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What ever happend to:
Jay Payton or Marlon Byrd?
by digitalbenjamin on Mar 24, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rangers overvalue Marlon Byrd...
...and the Orioles operate on a geological time scale.
by cwyers on Mar 24, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of...
...shifting Dome to center and playing Murton, too. Sure, you're going to lose some defense in right field, but having another high OBP hitter in the lineup -- and one who hits lefties quite well -- will put more pressure on opposing pitchers. I'm also hoping that, with more experience, Murton could become an at least near-league-average right fielder (defensively). Certainly he could be every bit as good as Uncle Cliffy was last season.
In addition, Dome doesn't seem as sensitive as, say, Soriano when it comes to shifting outfield positions. From what I could tell from Pat and Ron's call during yesterday's game, Dome looked pretty comfortable in center and made some nice plays.
That said, Lou really seems to be emphasizing in interviews that the team is heavily focused on acquiring a right-handed hitting centerfielder, so as logical and practical as the "Dome shift" plan may be, it may never get off the ground.
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.
by dat cubfan daver on Mar 24, 2008 9:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My Vote...
...would be Jay Payton.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 24, 2008 9:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
FYI: My 'Z' key doesn't seem to be working.
Anyone else?
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.
by dat cubfan daver on Mar 24, 2008 9:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's Working For Me....
... it doesn't though if the page hasn't loaded entirely. I think there was another issue for fanposts with polls (not sure if that has been resolved, though).
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 24, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most of
the time this morning it has worked but twice now it hasn't. I do let the page fully load too.
by sue369 on Mar 24, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Monday, so I have to ask...
...you sure you ain't hitting the or x keys?
j/k
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 24, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now, Seriously...
...did you take the poll?
If so, that may be it. I believe the support team is looking into correcting this issue.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 24, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did take
the poll and it seems to be just in this thread that the z key isn't working.
by sue369 on Mar 24, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's Likely The Issue, Then...
...and support is working on it.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 24, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that's correct.
I have the same problem. Apparently, when there is a poll attached to a post, and you have voted, the c and z keyboard shortcuts don't work. Trei and the team are aware of this problem and are working on it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Mar 24, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, it doesn't hurt to ask!
I waited for the page to load and 'z' still didn't work for me. But I just tried it again and now it is working.
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.
by dat cubfan daver on Mar 24, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie
I would make Pie my back-up CF and start Fukudome in CF for most of the games. Murton's hitting the cover off of the ball and looks like he's ready for a big year. If Pie starts to play well, then I look at trading Murton, Soriano or Fukudome (most likely Murton).
by frustratedfan on Mar 24, 2008 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why isn't (shudder)
Juan Pierre on the list. He can play CF, he's "fast", he knows Wrigley Field, and the Dodgers apparently really want to move him. I would think he would be a prime target for Dusty Baker in Cincy (perhaps Bruce or Votto to the Dodgers for Pierre - that's a typical Baker trade) and he's also a "hendry" type of fit.
by frustratedfan on Mar 24, 2008 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He hits lefthanded, for one thing.
That pretty much eliminates him as a platoon partner for Pie.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Mar 24, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who Would Want To Eat That Salary?
Who's gonna take on the remaining 4 of the 5 / $44M? $36.5 remains...
08:$8M, 09:$10M, 10:$10M, 11:$8.5M
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 24, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no way Pierre puts on a Cubs uniform again.
He was pretty clearly displeased with the organization and/or fans when he left in '06. And, more important, he's not very good. (Plus, as Al has pointed out, he's a lefty.)
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.
by dat cubfan daver on Mar 24, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Can Put A Jersey On...
...but likely only in the comfort of his own home.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 24, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't have no trade protection...
...and thus will play for any team with a GM willing to take on that albatross of a contract.
But, yeah, teams don't pay $8 million a year for fourth outfielders.
by cwyers on Mar 24, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the best way...
...to title this is co-CF, not backup CF.
I have a feeling, someone other than Pie, will get plenty of action in CF this year.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Mar 24, 2008 11:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're wrong.
DaVannon is replacement-level fodder; other than being right-handed he really doesn't offer anything Sam Fuld can't provide. And as a fourth outfielder/platoon partner I like Reed Johnson just fine, but as an everyday center fielder... we'd be in for a hell of a long season at that point.
by cwyers on Mar 24, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope I am wrong as well...
...I don't know who the right guy is to complement Pie, but I have a feeling he is going to struggle a bit.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Mar 24, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better question is who should start CF
I like Pie but I'm not sure he's 150 starting CF yet.
I'm drunk......and it shows.....
by Keystone80435 on Mar 24, 2008 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On the contrary...
...I don't think there's any question that Pie should and will be the Cubs starting centerfielder. I think what is in question is what kind of insurance policy the team should take out in the event Pie's bat becomes an overwhelming drag on the club's success. Although I still have faith that Felix can hit just enough to warrant starting him most of the time, I still like the idea of using Dome in center and Murton in right against particularly crafty lefties.
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.
by dat cubfan daver on Mar 24, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I
want to see Pie succeed. Hopefully I will be a believer 3 weeks into the season. Right now I'm just not sure yet. But you're right. I'd like to have a solid backup.
I'm drunk......and it shows.....
by Keystone80435 on Mar 24, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Think Piniella Is OK With Pie...
...in CF... just not against lefties. Thus, he wants a solution in that scenario.
Barring any trade, I think their solution is likely Fukudome shifting over to center. While this is a last resort, it may be the only result.
The more likely solution, though, is to get another player in the organzation - a solution that Piniella is hinting towards happening in the next few days here.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Mar 24, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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