Deep Goat gets it right?

by kylejo on Mar 24, 2008 6:13 PM CDT Comment 72 comments

Well, Roberts new or not, this is news to me, I'm going to post it. Looks like DeRosa's got second all to himself, barring some unforseen events:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7949132/Sources:-Roberts-to-Cubs-looking-unlikely

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ah shit

this is probably in the game thread, ha dont flame me if it is, i just scanned the new fanposts.

Bill James Felix Pie 2008 Projection: .283/.333/.456 16 HR 21 SB

by kylejo on Mar 24, 2008 6:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hate to say I told ya so....

... but I told ya so.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 24, 2008 6:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yabbut...

You've also told us about 3 million times that Soriano wouldn't bat anywhere but lead off and it appears that he now won't be. Just sayin' :)

"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07

by RynoHoF on Mar 24, 2008 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ouch!

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Mar 24, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That info didn't come from Deep Goat.

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 24, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It Ain't Over Till It's Over

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Mar 24, 2008 6:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

It ain't over till...

...the chubby lady sings, but I agree, if it doesn't go down this week, it means Andy is either asking for too much, or he didn't like the recent reports from his scouts.

I don't quite get it, because the O's have no use for Roberts in their rebuilding process. If they don't trade him now, they would be banking on a bidding war at the trade deadline.

I'll bet one thing, Roberts is not going to be a happy camper, and that may be one thing that breathes last second life back into this thing.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Mar 24, 2008 6:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Perhaps This Is Hendry Feeding The Media...

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Mar 24, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dunno.

Roberts is making a lot of money to play baseball, and has gotten pretty much forgiven for whatever role he played in the Mitchell Report.

I think he'll be just fine. He may be traded by July -- or not.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 24, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My friend..

they're not banking on anything. He's got a very affordable contract, and Angelos likes him. He can stay, and be a familiar face during the transition. Or go in the right deal, and Peter can say to the fan base "look at our haul". If they had a lick of sense, the Orioles would have dumped everyone over 25 off their books already. Millar. Hernandez. Mora. I mean, why the hell is Huff still with that team? Even if you had to eat money. Like people aren't looking for corner men right now.

Sigh...The sad thing is that if Roberts really was an Angelos favorite, he wouldn't put a player heading toward the tail end of his career thru 100 loss rebuilding seasons.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 24, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If they are not banking...

...on getting the best value for Roberts as is possible, they are stupid, because the longer the clock ticks on his contract, his value goes down not up. His value is at it's peak right now. He is coming off a great year and has some time left on a relatively affordable deal.

I don't care for McPhail, but he isn't that stupid. I don't know what kind of role Angelos is playing in all this, but if he respects Roberts as much as is reported, you would think he would respect his wishes to some degree.

Bottom line, it makes little sense for the O's to hold onto Roberts with their plan to rebuild.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Mar 24, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And I Will Add...

...that the Cubs have several pieces that fit the O's needs - namely youth, pitching, 2B and SS.

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Mar 24, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sense is irrelevant...

I've heard from two media sources that the Cubs made an offer a few weeks ago, good enough that the Orioles baseball people were ready to sign off on it. And Angelos personally nixed it.

Doesn't make sense. And yet here we are. Welcome to Baltimore.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 24, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Could be...

...and I guess the question is this; will Roberts go to Angelos and have the same discussion he has had with the media (he doesn't want to be part of a rebuilding process)?

If what you say is true, that could be the key.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Mar 24, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It ain't over

but I wish it was. Clean up all this nonsense before opening day PLEASE

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 24, 2008 6:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

If nothing happens this week...

...you will see a statement from Hendry removing the cloud, I'll guarantee.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Mar 24, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just want

Some real decisions to be made, Derosa deserves to know his future with the team before the season starts.

No Chi Bulls plz.

by Rudey on Mar 24, 2008 6:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Unless Macphail or Hendry

are quoted in this article and are the sources for this deal being dead, this is just another worthless rumor.

by lemon20pie on Mar 24, 2008 6:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

Every assertion in this thread has an equal and opposite assertion, but that's all they are. For example, Damen says above that he heard from two different media sources that Angelos nixed a deal. However, there are other "media sources" that deny that, or quote one of the front offices as denying that. Until, as MPH says, Hendry draws a line under it publicly (which he will definitely do if the deal collapses), this (i.e., Rosenthal's blurb) is worth as much as our own uninformed conjecture.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 25, 2008 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think

rosenthal holds a little more credibility than us random bloggers.

Bill James Felix Pie 2008 Projection: .283/.333/.456 16 HR 21 SB

by kylejo on Mar 25, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK that's fair

but it's interesting he backpedaled a little bit in an update to that article, saying the deal is not quite as dead as before.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 25, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

haha

classic. well who knows, i was hoping this would quiet the roberts talk for at least a while, but that was naive of me.

Bill James Felix Pie 2008 Projection: .283/.333/.456 16 HR 21 SB

by kylejo on Mar 25, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Now what?

Scenario 1
The Orioles could fold. Remember, they were holding out for Jeff Clement in the Bedard trade as well. With Hendry saying, "It's off," they may say, "Ok, we'll take the previous deal."
Scenario 2
The O's keep Roberts and the Cubs add no lefty/speedy IFs.
Scenario 3
The Cubs get an inferior lefty/speedy IF option. A Marquis-Felipe Lopez trade might make sense, if the Nats decide they need innings.

Which do you all think will happen?

by DGU on Mar 24, 2008 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Scenario

But when have we really had high % in guessing the right outcomes?

Lieber Bullpen!?

by Rudey on Mar 24, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Scenario 4

Cubs trade Cedeno, Murton, Marquis and Cotts for Tyler Hansbrough.

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 24, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ugh

i hope not, am i the only one who likes murton?

by Rudey on Mar 24, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No way

Murton is my favorite player. I just stuck his name in there because eveyone here says he's on the trading blcok.

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 24, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

OIC

hes not my fav, but hes one of the most solid players on that team.

I hesitate saying this because pie played sooo well today, but.....Murton right and Fukudome center anyone!?

by Rudey on Mar 24, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like

Murton becuase from what I've seen he's old school. Busts his butt on every play. Sooo many high paid players half-assig it, not running out ground balls and hot dogging routine flies. Not Murton. I still say he tries too hard sometimes and over hustles which leads to fielding mistakes. The LAST thing a coach should need to tell a major league is to play hard. From what I've seen Murton plays hard. I know he's not the best player but I like him anyway.

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 24, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Did I tell

you that I like Murton too? :P

by sue369 on Mar 25, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ohhhhh I know

You and I are on the Murton bus. I'll hang with ya till they move him.

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 25, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wonder if Hansbrough...

...would make a good first baseman? Or would he be an Ankiel like addition to the outfield? ;) - TL

"Why shouldn't we believe that we're going to win the World Series?" - Ted Lilly, 1/19/2008, Daily Herald interview w/Barry Rozner

by timlacy on Mar 24, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

haha

blah! I hate Hansbrough. I was just being a smartass. He wouldn't make it outta AA.

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 24, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Scenario 5.

Nothing.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 24, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I vote

for scerario 5

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 24, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Isn't that the same as Scenario 2?

Regardless, I just hope it's not Scenario 3. Although I'd rather have Roberts on the roster, I'd sooner keep the team as is than weaken it with a lefty/speedy IF type like Felipe Lopez.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 24, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And

the Cubs getting more bad press front and center ont he homepage of sportsline.com

booooring

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 24, 2008 6:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

good grief....I just looked at Sportsline and I wanna puke...

..we are going to have to suffer through a whole season of this BS. The worst part is, the better the Cubs do, the worse it will get.

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Mar 24, 2008 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yep

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 24, 2008 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sometimes the best trades

are the ones not made. Jacque Jones was as good as gone after a miserable 1st 1/2 last year. Yet instead of going to the Marlins, Hendry didn't make a trade just for the sake of making a trade. Jacque rebounded with a great 2nd 1/2.

Hopefully Derosa will also respond in kind....

by Neifi Puppy on Mar 24, 2008 8:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

When writers run out of original thoughts

they turn to curses and 100 year anniversaries. Get used to it; it will only increase as the season goes on, regardless of whether the Cubs win or lose.

by Clark Addison on Mar 24, 2008 8:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Can someone please inform me...

...of who this Deep Goat is? Been on BCB for a few years now, and I've never figured it out.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Mar 24, 2008 9:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

And you won't.

Because I'm not telling.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 24, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Al,...

we're all pretty certain it's either Ronnie Woo Woo, or you're channeling Harry after a few drinks.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 24, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wait wait...

...do you mean "Deep Goat" is your inside source? I really don't mind if you do/do not tell whom s/he is, I am just confused.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Mar 24, 2008 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes.

I thought that was clear. If it's not, yes, that's true. And no, I won't even reveal D.G.'s gender.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 24, 2008 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay, that's all I wanted.

Thanks.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Mar 24, 2008 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Quick Question

Has anyone besides Rosenthal (and Al on behalf of Deep Goat) reported something similar?

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Mar 24, 2008 9:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm pretty sure I read something similar

in one of the ESPN blogs, but I can't remember if it was Gammons, Stark, or Olney.

by DGU on Mar 24, 2008 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Even with no one reporting...

...you could have guessed (after all this time) there was an impasse in regards to which players would be involved. In that sense, its no surprise this is where it is at.

The key now is whether both sides have truely made their best offers, or if there is motivation to make one last adjustment. I still think they are going to make one more run at this thing because you have two willing parties; one who wants the player and one who wants to trade him for prospects.

If this dies, it dies, but IMO, it will be because McPhail's latest reports from his scouts have been below what they expected and now he is asking for something Hendry does not want to give.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Mar 24, 2008 9:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Byrd Deal Dead, Too?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/032508dnsporanglede.31bbe3a.html

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Mar 24, 2008 10:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

A club source?

Could be 'Deep Goat'

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 24, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Doh!

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Mar 24, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This speaks volumes as to why Texas can't get it right...

Matt Murton AND Ceda/Gallagher/Veal for Marlon @##@ Byrd?? How can you even ask with a straight face?

by Damen Jackson on Mar 24, 2008 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Must Be The Water

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Mar 24, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly.

Either the Rangers are nuts, or the writer is, or both.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 24, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So, Does Cintron Make The Team?

And start the season on the DL with Fontenot getting the call as the replacement?

And, when the Cubs get Reed Johnson, does this mean Murton goes to AAA Iowa?

Right now, I have a bench of: Blanco, Cedeño, Cintron, Murton, and Ward.

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Mar 24, 2008 10:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Cedeno & Cintron

basically offer the same thing, so I'd think one of them would go...likely Cedeno to AAA, cause Cintron is a little more versatile, and a little less "challenged" on the basepaths.

Johnson is scrappy, and hit well before last year...but to me Murton has earned a spot.

BRob, DLee, Fuke, ARam, Sori, Soto, Pie, Theriot - Done.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Mar 24, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs