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Open Thread: Cubs vs. Giants, Tuesday 3/25, 3:05 CT

SCOTTSDALE, Arizona -- The Giants have the worst record in all of baseball this spring -- 8-19. While spring records are not necessarily predictors of regular season records, for the Giants, I think it will be. This is a potential 100-loss team.

All of this is a way of saying that if there's any team against whom Rich Hill might get his act together, it's the Giants. Hill will face the Giants' Jonathan Sanchez, who has a 5.63 ERA in 16 spring innings, allowing 21 hits and 8 walks.

Morning notes:

Once again today, you can find the game on CSN Chicago, and MLB.com radio at the MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (and yes, I've seen the "new" Gameday for the Red Sox/A's game this morning, and it's awful. As long as they keep the "2007" version active, I'll be posting that version.)

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Mariotti column

Complete piece of crap. I can't believe they pay him to write that BS...

by WartburgCub on Mar 25, 2008 10:34 AM CDT   0 recs

Don't let him get to you.

That column is not a serious piece of work. It is written purely to ruffle feathers. It's like a "Star" or "National Enquirer" piece.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Mar 25, 2008 12:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow, so true.

I don't believe that nonsense. It's one thing to back something like that up with facts and statistics, but he just blabbers on and on about nothing. Whatever.

Hector Villanueva's Career Stolen Bases: 1

by IowaCubs- on Mar 25, 2008 12:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That Mariotti piece is garbage

But I agree with his sentiment that this team isn't good enough to win the NL Division. At this exact moment anyway. That doesn't mean that the Cubs won't make a move or 2 before the trade deadline, but right now, no way is this team good enough to win the NL DIvision crown. It's obviously capable of making the playoffs but it won't be easy. Brewers and Cubs are as evenly matched right now as it can get and it's going to be a dogfight, which will be fun. This season will be fun no doubt. If that's all you really expect out of a season, than this will be a great season for you. If you expect more, much more out of a Chicago Cubs season, than it'll be a fun season but ultimately end in disappointment.

by lemon20pie on Mar 25, 2008 1:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess I'm confused...

Are you saying that the Cubs aren't good enough to win the NL Central or the NL pennant?

by WartburgCub on Mar 25, 2008 7:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He must mean the NL Pennant.

The Cubs should win the division by defualt based on how bad the other teams are and the Brewers pitching injuries.

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 25, 2008 7:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Huston Street

Hey Mariotti! Tell Huston to go find the meatball he threw to Brandon Moss in the top of the 9th. It’s probably somewhere out on the street.

by 1060 W Addison on Mar 25, 2008 6:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Man are those infielders pampered

Sori, Felix, and Dome have to slog through a soggy outfield while the infielders have a tent over their heads? I guess Theriot and DeRosa burn easily, what with all that sun we're going to have on Opening Day... ;-)

And what's with the sprinklers going - they just spent all weekend carting off the snow that was covering the field, and now they're watering the outfield? Crazy, man...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 25, 2008 10:37 AM CDT   0 recs

Got the keys to my new place on Kenmore at Bryon

and was showing a buddy the place and it worked out so great that they had the lights on last night too. I also saw those tents

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 25, 2008 10:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

holy cow

hahah that great!

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 25, 2008 12:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe this set

is for Cedeno. They are getting him to run the bases without distration under the tents. haah

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 25, 2008 12:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jay Mariotti

sinks to a new low with this one (if that is even possible). Mariotti professing to be the source of all that is true about the Cubs makes me sick. He overreacts more than most true Cub fans. A track record means nothing to him. I am at a loss for words.

by gwood on Mar 25, 2008 10:37 AM CDT   0 recs

meant to say

he overreacts more than a lost of Cub fans. I apparently got influenced by his article and started typing in absolutes. I need to go wash my fingers off with soap, excuse me.

by gwood on Mar 25, 2008 10:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

a total moron....

..a column that a 6th grader could write with stunning insights into the Cubs hopes such as;

You say the Cubs have an awesome lineup. I say they do as long as Derrek Lee doesn't remain a doubles hitter, Alfonso Soriano rips fastballs instead of muscles and Aramis Ramirez is kept away from secret cockfighting arenas

Yes Eddie Munster, if A-Ram stays away from cockfighting, the Cubs will win the WS. What analysis! way to really give the reader of the Sun Times pamphlet some real insight.

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Mar 25, 2008 11:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The same

could easily say these things about any teams best three hitters. If any teams best three hitters don't perform as expected the team will suffer.

Mariotti is simply saying that as long as Derrek, Soriano, and Ramirez hit, the Cubs will be fine. No s&^t, really? Can i get paid to write such insightful sports columns.

by gwood on Mar 25, 2008 11:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He is by far the largest turd in existence...

I am truly surprised that someone has not tried to kill that lowly, trash talking, waste of semen and oxygen. I did thoroughly enjoy his defensive comebacks to the Trib "punk" on the ST.

You could just hear him sniveling like the rat balls that he is. That was worth the read.

Damn Nutrisystem...I'm freakin dyin for some Italian beef!

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 25, 2008 11:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So would you care...

to share your opinion of him with the rest of us?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 25, 2008 11:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Uhh... Al...

a little policing please?

Hector Villanueva's Career Stolen Bases: 1

by IowaCubs- on Mar 25, 2008 12:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah...

... although I don't like Mariotti either, the profanity was unnecessary. Thanks.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 25, 2008 12:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Get over it people...

profanity?

I refrained from using such words as: shit, fuck, damn, bitch, and all other words that so perfectly capture the essence of mariotti.

What are you all complaining about? I thought I did that gracefully!

PS, sorry Al

Damn Nutrisystem...I'm freakin dyin for some Italian beef!

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 25, 2008 3:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

More BS.

Written by someone who appears to be a Mariotti wannabe. Ugh.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 25, 2008 12:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Man are those infielders pampered

Sori, Felix, and Dome have to slog through a soggy outfield while the infielders have a tent over their work area?

And what's with the sprinklers going - they just spent all weekend carting off the snow that was covering the field, and now they're watering the outfield?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 25, 2008 10:52 AM CDT   0 recs

Ok, that was weird...

I tried to post a new comment about Mariotti, and when I hit the "post!" buttom, it repeated my previous comment (the infield tent picture).

So yes, you are seeing double (my apologies) but it wasn't my fault.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 25, 2008 10:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Snow

I wish they would just push the start of the season back a week and for the first 2 series of the season have them in dome/warm weather cities. This would effectively push back the start of the season in cold cities by 2 weeks. I think all players and most fans would agree. I haven't gone through the schedule and figured out exactly how to accomplish this but I'm sure the MLB brains can figure it out.

Lets do it Cubbies

by slocs55 on Mar 25, 2008 11:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But if they do that...

... the World Series would end in mid-November and then you'd risk playing the most important games of the season in REALLY crappy weather.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 25, 2008 12:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Snow

rain, mudslide. Whatever the weather is I'll go watch any game. As long as its safe for the players I say play ball.

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 25, 2008 12:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They tried that

In the late '70s or early '80s, MLB tried scheduling as many games as possible in Calif., Tex, Atl, and domes. Weather-wise, it worked out fine. The problem is that no team wants a preponderence of home games in April, as it is the poorest month attendance-wise. The Calif. teams complained loudly about the lost revenue, and the experiment was scrapped.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Mar 25, 2008 1:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What, are they having a wedding on the field?

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 25, 2008 12:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I forgot to mention...

that the return of scheduled double headers would be necessary with my proposal.

This is now the point where someone tells me that there is a stipulation in the CBA where there can't be scheduled double headers.

Lets do it Cubbies

by slocs55 on Mar 25, 2008 1:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Or just

shorten the schedule and dump the interleague play. The interleague play is ok. It was fun when it started. Having it as an every year deal makes it lose its luster.

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 25, 2008 1:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That'll never happen either.

Teams have 81 home dates. Each one translates into millions of dollars. You think any team is going to be willing to give one up?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 25, 2008 1:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

of course not

but thats what i'd do IF the only otion was to shorten the schedule.

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 25, 2008 1:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The only reason

I can think the sprinklers would be on is cuz of the new drainage system. Maybe it took all the water away and their watering now to get a little more growth out of the grass so they can cut whats been damaged on top. No idea. Maybe they're testing the water ssytem to make sure nothing froze and broke.

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 25, 2008 1:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

New Gameday version

I thought it was okay. Can't you post a link for both versions and let your readers decide?

by Neifi Puppy on Mar 25, 2008 10:54 AM CDT   0 recs

Maybe.

What say the rest of you?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 25, 2008 12:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Glancing at the new one

I really liked it. The acid test, though, is "watching" the game live -- which I won't be doing at 4 am MT! Perhaps, if it isn't too much trouble, you could post both for the first 2 or 3 weeks then put it up for a vote.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Mar 25, 2008 1:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure.

I'll do that once the regular season starts.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 25, 2008 1:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd like a link to both, as well, please

n/t

I've told you a million times never to exaggerate!!

by pscrblazer on Mar 25, 2008 1:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You say "Mariotti", I say "very shoddy"

"very shitty" is probably more apt but not as good of a rhyme

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 25, 2008 10:59 AM CDT   0 recs

I have only read his

column from say 7 years ago. Has he always been this bad? I mean the guy writes like a child who lost his candy at Halloween. Get over YOURSELF Jay. Whinning piece of garbage, ENOUGH of the negative, 6th grade approach to writing.
Yeah Jay the cockfighting comment was really professional, wow what insight.
Go Cubs, and Kerry post 40 saves, and get the clincher in late, late October.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Mar 25, 2008 11:13 AM CDT   0 recs

Mariotti

I now refuse to even click on his articles on suntims.com, I don't want to give him the "hits". I think he is actually a pretty good writer but he is always so negative just to create controversy and that is what I dislike.

Lets do it Cubbies

by slocs55 on Mar 25, 2008 11:15 AM CDT   0 recs

Yep

Perhaps Al might consider not posting links to Mariotti so that none of us accidentally activate those links with an errant mouse-click.

by DGU on Mar 25, 2008 11:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

After trying (and failing)...

to read both those articles in their entirety, I have to wonder just what it is that these shleps do around the newspaper offices while their not sitting in front of their keyboards.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 25, 2008 11:28 AM CDT   0 recs

Which one is...

Mariotti and which one is Downey?

Old Style is the nectar of life.

by Mordecai on Mar 25, 2008 11:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Honestly...

This is probably why the New York Times and Sun Times are in a finanical struggle. They report too much of what they think than what actually is happening.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Mar 25, 2008 11:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There is no question...

...that media (radio, newspaper, television) have gone from using rational knowledge to inform, to trying to do what they can to create as much attention as possible.

That is the world we live in, and I just abstain from reading guys like Marriotti or Downey. Neither of those guys know diddly about baseball, so they have no choice than to be outlandish in what they write. I do admit, Rogers is someone I read on occasion for strictly the comedic value.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Mar 25, 2008 11:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This is exactly right.

Newspapers are in trouble. Thus, they stoop to sensationalism to try to sell papers.

We talk about it, but how many of us here bought the paper to read Mariotti's column, and how many of us read it for free online?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 25, 2008 12:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Funny...

...by boosting the traffic to his page, we're encouraging him to write this crap, eh?

Hector Villanueva's Career Stolen Bases: 1

by IowaCubs- on Mar 25, 2008 1:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I thik it's a contest

I think the Chicago sportswriters have a contest as to who can be dumbest every year.

We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Mar 25, 2008 11:36 AM CDT   0 recs

In my book...

...there are many who should share this award.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Mar 25, 2008 11:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

the principle of the thing


Mariotti's formula for this column - taking the sensational, irrational, minority opinions of a few in a group and characterizing all of the group members as holding said opinions - is such prejudiced and unethical journalism that it makes me sick. I don't care if I see it in a sports column, a hard news story or a freaking restaurant review, or if he wrote the same style of column about White Sox, Cards, or even Yankees fans. Blatant prejudice combined with sensationalism is intolerable.

"These are the saddest of possible words: Tinker to Evers to Chance."

by bluebythebook on Mar 25, 2008 11:46 AM CDT   0 recs

Like so many others in sports journalism....

Marriotti basically plays a role in the Chicago media. He is more like a sports version of a Hollywood gossip columnist. If you listen to him on "Around the Horn", he is actually a sharp guy and knows what he's talking about where sports are concerned. But his columns seem to be written strictly to piss people off, and every day he has a new target. For a long time he has been Ozzie Guillen's biggest critic (for that, I almost forgive him all his other bad traits) but he also hammers Lovie Smith, Rex Grossman, and the entire Bulls organization every chance he gets, and of course, he was Dusty Baker's biggest critic too. I take him with a grain of salt. He is an entertainment columnist, and I think his success is probably judged in the news room of the Sun-Times by how much negative response he generates, and I'm completely serious when I say that. The more negative reaction he gets, the more he is doing his job.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Mar 25, 2008 12:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Very well said...

...to say he is dumb is not the right read. The man simply has chosen (as has his paper) for him to write stuff that garners as much fan reaction as is possible. I would wager that half the stuff he writes is not what he actually believes, but is what gets himself and paper the attention they desire.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Mar 25, 2008 12:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

*nods*

I agree and understand where you're coming from. It just bothers me that mainstream news has sunk to that level of sensational BS. I hate seeing it, and I hate people gobbling it up and asking for seconds - though, I admit gobbling it up and complaining about it is almost just as bad. I usually avoid reading any of his or the other sports opinion columns in both papers just to avoid all the BS, but today I clicked for some reason and then remembered why I try not to do that.

"These are the saddest of possible words: Tinker to Evers to Chance."

by bluebythebook on Mar 25, 2008 12:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bruce Levine reporting Reed Johnson a Cub

...1 year $1m.

Looking for the story on the wire...

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Mar 25, 2008 12:23 PM CDT   0 recs

Dang, that was fast. Hendry in da house!

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 25, 2008 12:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So is Reed

an insurance policy on Pie or does he bump Murton to AAA?

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 25, 2008 12:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hope not option 2

I'd rather have Murton's bat in the lineup and have Dome back Pie up in CF but they wouldn't have made this move if Reed wasn't going to be in the starting mix. Or would they?

by cubsonWGN4ever on Mar 25, 2008 12:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe they would

Hendry said he wanted a backup outfielder who could play CF. Doesn't look good for Murton's future as a Cub (of course, that particular thing hasn't looked good since November 2006).

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 25, 2008 12:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Instead of bumping Murton to AAA...

... it probably bumps Ronny Cedeno to AAA>

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 25, 2008 12:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh

what a shAAAme.

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 25, 2008 12:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought he was out of options

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 25, 2008 12:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cedeno is out of options

Sending him to AAA is not an option. I imagine Cedeno makes the 25 man roster and I'm not sure how the signing of Johnson would effect Cedeno's roster spot.

by lemon20pie on Mar 25, 2008 1:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Worthless...

to me then. If I am going to get a Murton jersey 25% off I need him traded, not sent to AAA. POOP!

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 25, 2008 1:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed...

I said elsewhere that I think Cedeno competes with Cintron for one of the backup IF spots. I think Fontenot and Patterson are competing for the other spot. That gives us a RH option and a LH option backing up in the middle IF. I think Cedeno (because he's out of options) and Fontenot (because Lou likes him more) get the jobs.

by SouthernCub on Mar 25, 2008 1:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it's entirely possible too

that Cintron opens the season on the DL and the Cubs will get a good look at Patterson for a couple weeks.

by lemon20pie on Mar 25, 2008 1:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not sure how that works...

The reason I see Cintron and Cedeno battling for a spot is because they both can bat RH. The reason I saw Fontenot and Patterson battling for a spot is because Patterson is that they are both LH.

Cintron can be sent to AAA, since he's on a minor league contract. If you meant Cedeno starting on the DL, that'd make sense as a possibility I guess.

by SouthernCub on Mar 25, 2008 1:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I dont think Reed will start. I just hope he doesnt replace Murton on the roster. Send Cedeno doooown

I'm drunk......and it shows.....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 25, 2008 12:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Can't send Cedeno down...

he's out of options. Either Cedeno makes the roster or we have to trade him.

Johnson serves as the backup to Pie in CF AND replaces Murton on the roster. We aren't going to carry six OF. We'll have two guys who can play the middle IF (likely to be one of Patterson/Fontenot and one of Cedeno/Cintron), a backup catcher (Blanco), a backup 1B/OF (Ward), and a backup OF. The backup OF could have been Murton if Cedeno could have won the CF backup job. But since Cedeno won't be in the OF, Murton is out of luck here.

by SouthernCub on Mar 25, 2008 1:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs