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So who do you want for Murton?

We need an OF here in St. Pete for the new look Rays.  What will it take to get Murton from you?

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Women in bikinis.

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 26, 2008 10:27 PM CDT   0 recs

I second that motion

Chuck Norris is a Cubs fan...

by Walker71421 on Mar 26, 2008 10:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Done

Do you want Express, Victoria's Secret, or Lane Bryant models in those bikinis?

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by SeanDubbs on Mar 26, 2008 10:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How about

3 Express models, 3 VS models and 4 Lane Bryant models for April (cold night games require snuggling to keep warm)

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 26, 2008 10:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Is that it?

That's a slow night in Ybor City for us. It's a deal!

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by SeanDubbs on Mar 26, 2008 10:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Better

throw in some macho dudes for the lady Cub fans. Cant leave them out.

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 26, 2008 10:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

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by SeanDubbs on Mar 26, 2008 11:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Side effect

She'll look good after a long night at The Billy Goat Tavern.

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by SeanDubbs on Mar 27, 2008 9:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hear hear!

Well, wait, any macho dude who wants any sort of shot with me would need to be a Cubs fan, regardless of... anything else. Never mind.

But, I appreciate someone addressing our needs too. :-D

"These are the saddest of possible words: Tinker to Evers to Chance."

by bluebythebook on Mar 27, 2008 1:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Or Andy Sonnanstine

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 26, 2008 10:32 PM CDT   0 recs

I know. Just being greedy.

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 26, 2008 10:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

After

a few of Hill's spring starts I'll bet quite a few Cubbie fans would agree tot hat.

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 26, 2008 10:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Surely you jest.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 26, 2008 10:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I dont. People werent excited about all his walks and question him starting at all.

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 26, 2008 10:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But it's spring...

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 26, 2008 11:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I know

but he's been so bad that people are questioning if he's hurt. He has been walking batters like he's getting paid extra to do it. He even had a sit down with Lou and the front office about it. How many times do you see that? Whatever is going on with him isnt mechanical....I dont think. Maybe some of the more knowledgeable folks here that were in Arizona can give more info.

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 26, 2008 11:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I blame Pinella

The Cubs could win the WS if Jim Leyland was in charge. Pinella puts too much pressure on younger players.

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by SeanDubbs on Mar 26, 2008 11:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Leyland wouldnt work.

Chicago is now smoke-free.

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 26, 2008 11:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

L-Town

I live in Lakeland, FL where the Tigers have spring training. People get him to autograph packs of cigarettes all the time. It's awesome.

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by SeanDubbs on Mar 26, 2008 11:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

His

last outing was pretty good but the start before that he walked something like 6 batters in 1.1 innings.

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 26, 2008 11:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think people

were freaking out that bad. Plus Hill pitched well in his last start giving up 2 ER, 6 So and 1 BB in 5 IP.

by cubsfan25 on Mar 26, 2008 11:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I have

faith that he'll be just fine. But a quick look at this thread and you'll see all the talk of moving him to the pen and bumping him from the rotation... http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2008/3/20/306868/open-thread-cubs-vs-rockie#comments

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 26, 2008 11:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A SS

who can do better than a .672 OPS.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Mar 26, 2008 10:34 PM CDT   0 recs

Ha!

I didn't see the space in there originally...

... and you were just asking what you needed to do to get the boot?

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Mar 26, 2008 10:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL - Didn't think about it!

But now that you mention it, I'll have to ask Al if this puts me on the right track! Of course, with DeRo now "firmly intrenched", I guess I don't want to be banned after all -- at least until the ASB when we can go through this dance again.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Mar 27, 2008 12:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes

Can we have Ben Zobrist?

by DGU on Mar 27, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Better yet...

if you take Murton AND Cedeno as a package deal, you can just have'em.

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 26, 2008 10:37 PM CDT   0 recs

How about...

We'll take Oprah if you throw in Soto.

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by SeanDubbs on Mar 26, 2008 10:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sue

wouldnt allow it. You start at Soto and she might take a swing at ya.

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 26, 2008 10:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry but

Soto is hands off. I'm sure Ivy would agree with me.

by sue369 on Mar 27, 2008 10:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What to do with Murton

Over the next few days, Hendry will try to trade Murton, something he has been trying to do without success since December.

But Hendry will not give Murton away. Just as other GMs have tried to squeeze Hendry on deals this off-season, Hendry may take a hard line on Murton and ask for a top prospect or two in return.

If that doesn't happen, the Cubs can option Murton to Class AAA Iowa.

Murton tried to look at things philosophically.

"I know it's cliché -- all I can do is take it a day at a time," he said. "That's what I learned to do last year. You can't really expect anything in this game. You've just got to believe in your own ability, which I do. Just believe that it's going to work itself out."

Murton wouldn't ask for a trade, but he seems to think he might be better off playing in the big leagues elsewhere.

"I'm a Chicago Cub right now," he said. "It's no secret. There isn't a player in here who doesn't want to play. I think I'm better suited being out there on the field on a consistent basis. That might not present itself here for a while.

"So, if the opportunity presents itself to go somewhere else and I get a chance to play, great. If I'm still here in Chicago, that's great, too."

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=161198&src=152

by cubsfan25 on Mar 27, 2008 2:35 AM CDT   0 recs

Hendry doesn't figure to be any more willing to accept a sub-value deal than he has been over the last several months that Murton has been available. The urgency of Opening Day could influence a team with a need for a polished hitter at a corner outfield spot.

''We like Matt a lot, and I think, on a lot of clubs, he's an every-day player in left field,'' Hendry said. ''We're just in a spot where on the corners we have two outstanding players, and we needed somebody like Reed Johnson who could play some in center.''

Murton, 26, has been kept informed by the front office throughout spring training and through the Johnson acquisition.

''I think the front office is making every attempt to better their team and at the same time to make sure their players have an opportunity to continue to succeed,'' said Murton, who spent about a month in the minors last year before returning and finishing a .281 season for the Cubs. ''I think at this point it's important for me to get a chance to play -- and at the same time I want to be here to help this ballclub.''

Said Hendry: ''Matt knows the situation. He's a first-class guy, and we'll try to do what's best for the club and Matt as we proceed forward.''

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/863541,CST-SPT-cub27.article

It's good to hear that the Cubs aren't planning on giving Murton away.

by cubsfan25 on Mar 27, 2008 2:48 AM CDT   0 recs

Right.

Plus, he's available if anyone gets hurt.

Or if Ronny Cedeno sucks again.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 27, 2008 9:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cedeno

I think Cedneno makes a fine backup and is terrifying as a starter. I'd hate to see Murton go, but the way the Cubs are buying outfielders we are not about development anymore.

I'm not sure we're going to see a lot of home grown talent here for awhile unless people get hurt.

by Woodstock on Mar 27, 2008 9:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

In many ways...

... Cedeno might be better as a starter. As a backup, he'll mostly come into games in the late innings as a pinch-hitter, pinch-runner and/or defensive replacement.

That terrifies me.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 27, 2008 10:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

pinch runner?

yikes!

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 27, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Um

Who are Felix Pie and Geovany Soto and even, I shake my head saying it, Ryan Theriot?

by DGU on Mar 27, 2008 4:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Murton

is like Milo Hamilton and Fuku and Soriano are Harry Caray. Murton and Milo...odd men out.

See Al, I have been reading WST 2008 haha

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 27, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Matt is certainly

a class guy. I wish the best for him.

by sue369 on Mar 27, 2008 10:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I have and always will like Murton...

I want him to play everyday somehow, but I don't really want to let him go either. He is valuable to this team IMO.

Damn Nutrisystem...I'm freakin dyin for some Italian beef!

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 27, 2008 8:11 AM CDT   0 recs

its a catch 22..my fear is a certain LF's hamstring

..or groin will act up in the cold weather and Murton would sure be useful then...

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Mar 27, 2008 8:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Murton is perfect...

...for a small market club that needs an LF/RF that will come cheap and can hit major league pitching. He just isn't a fit for most clubs looking to contend, because they would be looking for more power out of his position.

The problem here is timing. Everyone knows the Cubs don't have a spot for him, and that kills some of his value. Hendry has some positive and negative qualities, but one mistake he typically makes, is holding onto players too long and having to deal with being in a poor negotiating position because of that. I can't recall a time, when Hendry traded a player when their value was high to fill a need.

Like Branch Rickey used to say; "its always better to trade a player a year too early, vs a year too late"

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Mar 27, 2008 9:28 AM CDT   0 recs

Selling High

Bobby Hill and Justin Jones come to mind in terms of players who returned value but didn't amount to much afterwards. There was also a power right-handed reliever whose name escapes me that went to the Expos with Brendan Harris in the Nomar deal.

by Ayralin on Mar 27, 2008 11:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Francis Beltran.

Same thing.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 27, 2008 11:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ramirez?

Getting Ramirez for players that never amounted to anything was pretty good.

Prospects come and go all the time. For anyone to expect that a GM will know which ones don't amount to anything and which ones will is not a given. Murton was never thought of that highly by anyone anyway. If you believe the rumors, the Rangers wouldn't take him for Marlon Byrd.

by rlpete on Mar 27, 2008 1:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ramirez was a Bucs salary dump

as was D-Lee with the fish. You can more easily dump less-worthy prospects on teams in that mode because of their desperation. The Cubs are not desperate to dump Matty. He has AAA options left. Jimbo's best stance now is patience.

You can only use the selling-high postulate if the team you're dealing with is in the same mode as a previous deal. Since A-Ram's situation with the Bucs was a salary dump and not a young 4th outfielder with AAA options left, you cannot compare the two.

by blackhawk24 on Mar 27, 2008 3:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My question for SeanDubbs would be...

...who would you offer for Murton? I'm not really familiar enough with the Devil Ra...er, I mean, Rays roster or farm system to even begin speculating about a trade. To be honest, as far as this season goes, I'd say the Cubs chief need right now is a better-hitting shortstop. Beyond that, most all of the other positions seemed filled reasonably well. Maybe a couple decent pitching prospects? Or a backup catcher for when Blanco retires?

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by dat cubfan daver on Mar 27, 2008 10:49 AM CDT   0 recs

I say keep him...

...unless Jimbo has his doors blown off with an offer. Who knows maybe Fonzie would re-injure that leg. Matty would fit right back in LF. While I'd miss the routine 7-2 putouts, I like Matty's chance to hit a nice robust .375 OBP.

I like Jimbo having some restraint.

by blackhawk24 on Mar 27, 2008 11:46 AM CDT   0 recs

Rays Players for consideration

The current depth chart lists the following shortstops:

Starting SS: Jason Bartlett (R) career .272/.341/.362
backup SS: Ben Zobrist (R) .200/.234/.362

I don't see any upgrade here from Theriot/Cedeno/Fontenot/DeRo

Pitchers of interest IMO:
SP: Andrew Sonnanstein - promising rookie (you sure he's off the table?)
Matt Garza - career 4.47 ERA
(Unlikely that either of these options are better than marquis/dempster/marshall)

RP: Dan Wheeler(R) 4.09 ERA .259 BAA 327 Games Played - very nice veteran presence
Al Reyes(R) (probably off the table) 3.79 ERA .219 BAA 358 Games Played

How about Murton and Bobby Howry for Sonnanstein, Wheeler, Reyes and a nice infield prospect or two?

by cubsonWGN4ever on Mar 27, 2008 12:30 PM CDT   0 recs

You're asking way too much

Glenn Gibson and Calvin Medlock would probably do the job.

As far as a SS the only one of real value that we have is Reid Brignac and he's pretty close to off limits. Sonny isn't going anywhere and neither is Garza. If you wanted Edwin Jackson instead of the prospects that would fly as well, but his fly ball rate is horrible and you would need to pray for a stiff wind blowing in when he pitches. Wheeler and Reyes are on the club until July when their value will be much higher to contenders.

Reference the 2008 Tampa Bay Rays Trade Value Index from Rays Index to see a list of our most valuable guys.

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by SeanDubbs on Mar 27, 2008 12:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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