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He Doesn't Deserve A Main-Page Post Today...

... but I thought the latest Mariotti idiocy ought to be memorialized on this site, at least somewhere. Today, he calls TTTSNBN "Hendry's four-month obsession" (Where does he get THAT?), and says Andy MacPhail is "holding the 2008 season hostage". Why the Sun-Times pays this idiot is beyond me. He is absolutely clueless.

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Let it go Al. I'm convinced at this point that his committment to the Times is secondary to his other endeavors. And the writing reflects that.

Sadly, the flip side is that the paper is so in need of presence, relevance, and visibility that they accept that.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 27, 2008 10:15 AM CDT reply actions  

HAHA

I thought this was going to be a Murton thing.

Al I PROMISE once the 1st pitch is tossed on the 31st I'll lay off the Murton stuff!

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Mar 27, 2008 10:15 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm ignoring him completely

There's no reason to get upset with his writing anymore. All he is doing now is baiting stupid people. I hope that we're all smart enough not to fall for his trap.

Old Style is the nectar of life.

by Mordecai on Mar 27, 2008 10:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Wait

so Mariotti starts by listing off all the deficiencies that the Cubs still have on the field and then closes with MacPhail is going to "sabotage the series bid"?

I am no longer angry at him, just a little confused now.

Damn Nutrisystem...I'm freakin dyin for some Italian beef!

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 27, 2008 10:18 AM CDT reply actions  

He's kind of an MSM troll

The MSM part does not cancel out the troll part.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 27, 2008 10:26 AM CDT reply actions  

That's a perfect description.

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 27, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes Eddie Munster...

..Andy McPhail's marching orders are to hold the Cubs season hostage.

He also refers to Roberts as an "avid steriod user". Last time I checked he was linked to a one time use of HGH years ago.

Where do you get this stuff???

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Mar 27, 2008 10:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Jay the Joke

I hate him, he makes no sense- one sentence he says he's leery of a Roberts trade, the next sentence he's chastizing the Cubs for not making the move.....

by lance dickson on Mar 27, 2008 10:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Easy to say let it go.

The guy writes for a major city's sports page, his face is on ESPN, even though it is "Around the horn". Even though that show does not attract tons of viewers, his mug is on the Tube. My point is he reaches an audience.
We know he is a joke, others out there take it as gospel, and sees it as how the Cubs are operating.
Wonder why it would hurt old Jay if he could write a column with a just a tad of positive take on the Cubs.
But heaven forbid, that would make Jay appear as "soft" .
GIve it up Jay, you are running out of ink.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Mar 27, 2008 10:49 AM CDT reply actions  

I always

loved reading Mike Royko. I just don't look forward to the sports page except for the box scores and standings anymore.

by gwood on Mar 27, 2008 11:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Dear Jay

Andy McPhail is being paid by the Baltimore Orioles to act in the best interests of the Baltimore Orioles. His job is to maximize the return on his assets, either on the field or in the trade market. He is under no obligation to trade TNO to the Cubs just because the Cubs want him.

Jim Hendry is being paid by the Chicago Cubs to act in the best interests of the Chicago Cubs. His job is to maximize the return on his assets, either on the field or in the trade market. He is under no obligation to trade for a player whose price is higher than what he deems appropriate.

Please stop pretending that you are qualified to be a GM.

Thank you,

DMH

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Mar 27, 2008 12:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Absolutely

I don't mind anyone else "signing" this.

DMH

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Mar 27, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll vote for that, too.

Well stated.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 27, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mariotti

You guys are feeding the beast with your hits, just ignore him.

Lets do it Cubbies

by slocs55 on Mar 27, 2008 12:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Ignore him

I agree. I don't even click on the link anymore. I read where everyone is reading his columns and then bashing him for it and that is exactly what Mariotti and the big shots at the paper want. They don't care that we don't like him, they like the fact that we bother to read his stuff and talk about it.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Mar 27, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

TWTSNBM

"We're going to turn this team around 360 degrees." -Jason Kidd

by tony412 on Mar 27, 2008 1:16 PM CDT reply actions  

TWTSNBN

his column was horrendous today! For a guy that didnt want Roberts he sure turned tail pretty quickly. I am officially not reading him anymore. He is out of control.

by fischisgod on Mar 27, 2008 1:39 PM CDT reply actions  

"Why the Sun-Times pays this idiot is beyond me. He is absolutely clueless."

Maybe it's because local sports fans drive internet traffic towards his columns in the process of mocking them? ;-)

by gjdow on Mar 27, 2008 1:44 PM CDT reply actions  

LOL

Possibly true. Maybe we should call Mariotti

TCWSNBN (The Columnist Who Shall Not Be Named)

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 27, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe

that every time he and the Sun Times are mentioned, he is earning his pay. Bad publicity is better than no publicity at all. But we all have to admit that he does have some good columns. Ask yourself if you find yourself reading one of his columns with the hope that it's terrible so you can go on a rant against him.

If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.

by tharr on Mar 27, 2008 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe it's just me

But I am less likely to buy the Sun-Times that I was, say, five years ago, partially because of Mariotti.

by gjdow on Mar 27, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree, that and it’s the now the size of a pamphlet....

...and no match for the Trib in quality journalism.

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Mar 27, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm convinced you're obsessed with Jay Mariotti...

Mr. Yellon. Being of the media world as I understand you are, you of all people should know Jay's role (and others like him) in media world. He's a columnist and part of his job is to either elevate some existing point of controversy or better yet, create controversy. By the fact you read his articles and then comment on them (regardless of how you feel), shows me Jay is doing his job: He is getting you to read his column.

Hey, I don't agree with him many a time and when he steps onto that thin sheet of ice, I can rip him to shreds in hockey understanding, but he's doing his job; commenting on sports.

As far as this specific article, do you know McPhail isn't trying to screw the Cubs just by dangling Roberts? Maybe... just maybe... all along he and Angelos planned on keeping Roberts until at least the NTW deadline. So in a sense, he is trying to take the 2008 Cubs' season hostage. Or maybe, he was just trying to squeeze the most out of the Cubs, regardless if they were his previous employer.

Look how much angst this so-called deal has caused in the Cubs organization, specifically with DeRo. It almost got to the point we were going to get the daily Roberts trade update with Lou and Jim; sounds like it could be a reality TV show title. Remind you of a certain couple of pitchers (one of which is still here) between 2004-2007?

He's not always wrong and you cannot dismiss an article just because it is written by Jay Mariotti.

Bottom line is there is so much going on behind the scenes we all don't know. Only God and Jean Dixon knows. I use this great line from Men in Black. When Jay is being introduced to the idea of aliens being on Earth, Kay tells him, "...and the only way these people can get on with their happy lives is that they do not know about it".

by blackhawk24 on Mar 28, 2008 9:32 AM CDT reply actions  

My problem with Marriotti

Is that it seems he never provides any information at all except his opinion.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 28, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's not a reporter, he's a columnist

there is a difference.

On a less-contentious scale, look at the Herald and see how Miles and Rozner compare/contrast. Miles is a reporter, Rozner is a columnist.

by blackhawk24 on Mar 28, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

DOH!!!

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 28, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

True.

But most columnists have a reasonable argument and cite facts to back up their opinion.

Mariotti doesn't.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 28, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I re-read this article

His sub-title is a bit harsh but again I expect to see this type of thing from a columnist. It gets the readers' attention.

In the article itself, he is not out of line. He may be off-base somewhat but he stated this deal has been discussed for 4 months. Since end-Nov? Sounds close.

He states the need for a leadoff guy, CF'er (b4 Reeds' arrival), SP etc. Nothing out of line here. I've been saying that too and get flamed by the experts here. DeRo may not be healthy? Sure hope he is. Jay is not being malicious just stating a concern over the on-the-field aspect of a key guy maybe missing some serious time. SS? It's legitimate. Will TheRIOT break down or was last year an abbaration since he's never played that much? Hope it's the latter and he does a .360 OBP for the season. I love TheRIOT but at this time, we're not too sure...yet. Closer? hmmm, that's a tough one.....not. Woody can fall apart, again. It's a concern but what Cubbie fan doesn't want to see Woody go out there and blow the lid off of batters in the 9th?

He doesn't know of a Hendry plan-B but Jimbo sure has one, probably a plan-C and plan-D. Jimbo ain't tipping his hand so who knows what he's up to. Mariotti doesn't know it, too bad but he's not out of line in thinking Hendry may not have one.

The comments about McPhail and the business side more than baseball? Looks close to me. People upset with "Tribsters" or "Bartman Night"? TFB, deal with it. He cites number of losing seasons, # games out of 1st and attendance. Looks close enough to me I won't even check it.

He thinks Roberts would envoke images half the daily double in '84 or RoY Jermoe Walton in '89...not bad, I'd take it. Out of line? Hell no.

He thinks they may not win the pennant w/o Roberts? Could be. I've said the same thing but in my case I wanted Bedard as well as Roberts (and my favorite 40-yr old CF'er) a couple months ago to get the feel the Cubs will not only win the division (which they will anyway) but the pennant AND be a legititmate WS contender.

You're pre-biased on Mariotti IMHO and read into his comments instead of trying to absorb them. I got past his hockey comments, you can do the same with baseball.

by blackhawk24 on Mar 28, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

He keeps harping on the same things over and over...

... you know, the "beating a dead horse" thing we all have had enough of?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 28, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

You try to separate his subject matter from his delivery.

Not appropriate in this matter. Here's why:

Mariotti can state the obvious all he wants (theriot is not a proven vet, DeRo had heart surgery and COULD be unhealthy, Woody has collapsed before, starting pitching isn;t the best in the majors, Roberts would have been good yet he used PEDs once, the trade talk dragged on for four months, blah blah blah). Anyone can do this and the fact that you are staking claim to the same behavior makes me wonder why.

As for his delivery, as I stated above, all this man set out to do is to be "controversial". Same way Jim Rome is an asshole. It is their persona and without it, they have no freakin job because yes, you are correct in stating that all they do is point out the EXTREMELY obvious. Heck, if that was all it takes, any one of us would have a job doing what they do.

He most certainly IS malicious in that he sets out to antagonize with his delivery. Who cares if some points have validity?

Calm down.

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 28, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Malice?

Intent to injure? Hardly. Also, hockey's definition of a match penalty; intent to injure. He's not acting in malice and no one is separating subject from delivery. His delivery is what gets your (and many others) attention to the subject. That is his job.

Since you put controversial in quotes I would have thought you understood his job. His job is to enhance controversy that is already out there or to create it.

In addition, I believe that's what the most of the media is out there to do, create controversy.

I hope he reads this blog. He'll then have yet another data point of many a Cub fan drinking the Cubbie blue koolaid and ranting and raving about him. Mission accomplished, Jay.

by blackhawk24 on Mar 28, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

We disagree

clearly. First off, apologies for not looking up the definition of malice as you apparently did. Malicious the way I used it was intent upset and rile. To deliver his message in a way that was sure to anger the lot of us. So yes, mission accomplished you pompous bag of dookie Jay.

As for what his role actually is. If he is here to "enhance" controversy, then one has to assume that the topics he discusses, are "controversial". So I ask of you, are these topics really controversial?

If your answer is yes, then i have to deem you somewhat histrionic, which, IMO, is exactly what Jay Mariotti is. An uninsightful,man with a tendedncy to the histrionics. he is a drama queen who uses his flamboyant antics to stir up chaos.

Simply put, the man has absolutley no value whatsoever to those of us who are interested in reading the "news" as it pertains to the Cubs.

Calm down.

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 28, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey that's cool

You use a good word; flamboyant. It's one of the nicer words used to describe him.

The term of controversy for sports at least is a topic that can bring divide among a group of a normally aligned group; in this case, us.

I really don't think he's that bad though I tend to disagree with several of his columns.

If anyone wants news on the Cubs they should be checking the wire or follow the beat writers. Columnists IMHO are not the news folks but those who expound on previous news issues, drawing a line in the sand and seeing how to cross that line. Jay does that often.

I stick by my original statement that columnists expound or create controversy, writers or beat writers report news.

think of columnists as those who inspire one to take a stand on one side of an issue.

by blackhawk24 on Mar 28, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Points taken.

I believe that Jay Mariotti is the Jerry Springer of Chicago sports news; a whole lot of drama and not much substance.

You are correct though and I actually have never disagreed with the fact that we can all simply choose to ignore his antics should they bother us. I suppose in general, I am pissed that someone gets paid the way that he probably does for spewing a lot of the crap that he does. Same goes for the likes of Jerry Springer.

Perhaps we should begin chanting "Jay-rey Jay-rey" whenever his name comes up around here?

Anyway, we're good here. I just dislike the guy and what he does each day. Oh well, life is still good...opening day around the corner and the latest forecast is "the storms may blow away for some warmer weather before game time Monday".

That makes me happy and Mariotti has nothing to say about that!

Calm down.

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 28, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, but...

... what he does is at best disingenuous and at worst dishonest. He will take a position, then a month later take the opposite position. So which is it?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 28, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Does anything change in that month?

I don't know myself 'cuz I didn't keep track.

But I looked at his article a couple weeks ago about the angst, actually the word he used was anxiety. http://www.suntimes.com/sports/mariotti/840112,mariotti031308.article

How radical is he in this article? I'd have to go back and re-read but IIRC, he wasn't exactly off the cliff here. Hence my argument from above, he just can't be dismissed every time he writes. Part of his job is to expound on, if not create controversy.

by blackhawk24 on Mar 28, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mariotti

is, simply put, an antagonist. He is Howard Stern. He is Johnny Fairplay (for those Survivor lovers). He is in it for the attention, and the press. My guess is, his views are not nearly as extreme as he sells them to be.

This is what he has become and he likely knows nothing else now. Comparing him to a MSM troll was spot on. He is in this life to provoke and antagonize us and unfortunately, he is very good at his job. Therefore, there will probably always be one there for him.

Calm down.

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 28, 2008 9:56 AM CDT reply actions  

He is Boers and Bernsie

To echo your comparisons.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 28, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

He is Puck

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 28, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ahh yes

Puck! How could I foget him. Someone ought to do a diary about Mariotti comparisons. I know there are man many more!

Calm down.

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 28, 2008 10:05 AM CDT reply actions  

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