Game Called On Account Of Irrelevance
MESA, Arizona -- In the longest, most ridiculous game of the entire spring, the Cubs and Brewers played to a 10-10 tie in front of another sellout, 12,782, and both the Cubs and Brewers traded blown leads, errors, wild pitches, walks with the bases loaded...
And none of it means anything, because by the sixth inning -- after which eight of the 20 runs were scored -- virtually everyone who's going to be on these two rosters next Monday when they next face each other, had left the game. In fact, we were treated to the bizarre sight of the starting Brewers, dressed in suits, walking from the first base dugout to the LF corner to their waiting bus.
Of the seven Cubs pitchers, six of them will likely never see a major league mound (well, in the case of Rocky Roquet and Tim Lahey, they might, but not anytime soon). The only important appearance today was that of Sean Marshall, and quite frankly, he didn't look very good. He issued three walks (one intentional), gave up three hits (all doubles) and two runs.
Hey Lou! You out there? Carmen Pignatiello has earned the last spot in the bullpen! Send Marshall back to Iowa where he can start every fifth day and be ready in case of injury.
Micah Hoffpauir is another player whose great performance today (two home runs) earned him a trip to Des Moines, where I suspect he'll play quite a bit of outfield on the chance that it might increase his versatility as a bench player.
Alfonso Soriano and Ronny Cedeno also homered, off a number of miscellaneous Brewers minor league pitchers. Cedeno's HR landed on the net on top of the scoreboard right behind us, dropped to the ground and a kid in a Brewers Geoff Jenkins T-shirt leaped over the railing and grabbed it. Me, I got a bruised elbow out of the deal, though I don't think it'll put me on the DL.
I shouldn't complain. The sun was glorious again today. The baseball was a bit silly -- we caught Matt Murton laughing in LF after Casey McGehee (moved to catcher, presumably to increase his versatility) attempted to throw Alcides Escobar out stealing in the 10th inning. Unfortunately, neither Andres Blanco (over from the minor league camp) nor Mike Fontenot had been told about this, and neither covered second base. The resulting error put Escobar on third, where he scored on an Ed Campusano wild pitch. (Campusano has talent, but he is a long way from a major league mound.)
Same for E. J. Shanks, a sidearmer who threw the bottom of the 10th for the Brewers, gave up two hits and walked McGehee with the bases loaded to force in the tying run. And that, as they say, was that.
Today, we were joined on the lawn by BCB reader dfrancon, who had driven up just for the day from a business meeting in Tucson, and who left likely with a pretty good sunburn. Also stopping by were my friends Tom & Ginger from Chicago; Tom was nattily attired in a Cubs fez and carrying a stuffed Ryne Sandberg doll in his backpark -- you have to see this to believe it. If I can I'll get him to send a photo of it to me.
Also stopping by was BCB reader StampMe, and Mike who works at the Full Shilling -- sorry, I forgot your user name!
Thus ends the the Arizona portion of the exhibition schedule with the Cubs dead even, 14-14-2, and they are on to Las Vegas tonight (frankly, I was surprised that Derrek Lee and Aramis Ramirez played seven innings today). I'm heading to the airport soon, and will post a game thread for the night game at Las Vegas sometime tomorrow afternoon. The weather forecast for Monday doesn't look too good right now, but weather permitting, I will, and I know many of you will, be back at Wrigley Field on Monday. Let's play ball, for real!
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Piggy
should be on this roster...what more does he need to do? Cure cancer? He gave up one run this spring, and that was due to a lost ball in the sun.
Marshall needs to stretch out in case of injuries/trades/double-headers, etc.
Lou, wake up!
BRob, DLee, Fuke, ARam, Sori, Soto, Pie, Theriot - Done.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Mar 27, 2008 6:36 PM CDT 0 recs
I aagree
He definitely has deserved a chance to make this team over Marshall based on his strong Spring Training. I have a feeling that he will get hard and we might be asking for Marshall during the regular season, but he's definitely deserves the opportunity.
by lemon20pie on
Mar 27, 2008 8:00 PM CDT
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How do you earn anything pitching in the late innings of spring training games?
The Marshall Plan: LOOGY for a month, Long-man for a month, fresh for the playoffs.
by DGU on
Mar 27, 2008 9:21 PM CDT
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Not allowing an earned run
for starters. Even the earned run charged to him was on a blatant drop by The Imperial. He's been better that any other lefty reliever on the club.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Mar 27, 2008 9:23 PM CDT
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Come on.
The kid pitched scoreless baseball throught the entire ST. (not counting lost balls in the sun)
Poor Matty Murton....
by Keystone80435 on
Mar 27, 2008 9:23 PM CDT
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Isn't one of the main points of ST to let guys fight it out for positions? I think if thats the case here then Piggy beat out Marshall if they were gunning for the same spot. If Piggy doesnt deliver then Marshall takes the spot back. You gotta go with whos hot.
Poor Matty Murton....
by Keystone80435 on
Mar 27, 2008 9:30 PM CDT
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Does anyone have a log of how many major league hitters he faced?
Should Micah Hoffpaiur have won 1B over Derrek Lee? Should McGeehee be starting over Aramis?
The Marshall Plan: LOOGY for a month, Long-man for a month, fresh for the playoffs.
by DGU on
Mar 27, 2008 9:42 PM CDT
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You're comparing Hoffpaiur and Lee and McGeehee and Rameriez to Piggy and Marshall? But like I said, spots that are up for grabs. 1st and 3rd arent up for grabs. Bullpen spots are.
Poor Matty Murton....
by Keystone80435 on
Mar 27, 2008 9:46 PM CDT
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PLAYER W L S ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER
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C Pignatiell 0 0 0 0.00 6 0 0 0 5.1 2 0 0
S Marshall 0 0 0 3.24 3 1 0 0 8.1 8 4 3
Poor Matty Murton....
by Keystone80435 on
Mar 27, 2008 9:49 PM CDT
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You're making our argument for us.
His competition (Eyre, Marshall, Cotts) wasn't facing any better hitters than he was--they just had a lot more trouble getting them out. So sure, he may have faced minor-league hitters (which is not to mention the startling fact that many minor league hitters become major league hitters), but he got them out, which Eyre and Cotts couldn't do, and Marshall could do sort of average-ishly
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Mar 27, 2008 9:53 PM CDT
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Maybe Al
can come up with who he faced. If he was keeping a score card. I dont feel like going through the trouble of tracking that down.
Poor Matty Murton....
by Keystone80435 on
Mar 27, 2008 9:55 PM CDT
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Guess what.
I don't have the time to go through all the cards either (and I probably missed some appearances, since I wasn't there for the first half of ST and didn't go to three games in Tucson, and I know he pitched in at least one of those).
But gary varsho above is correct. Marshall and Piggy didn't face substantively different hitters. Piggy pitched better, AND his style is better suited to relief.
If he's placed on the roster and sucks, he's got options left, and Marshall's a phone call away. But Piggy has earned the roster spot, based on what I saw.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Mar 28, 2008 10:03 AM CDT
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Al
I am going to try and stop by and see you this coming Wed. I am going to be getting later in the nick of time for the game because I am taking a half day. Fortunately I only live about 200 yards down KEnmore. I am sitting in the Bleacher Box in RF. This is the first year I had to get tix to a "home opener" (i consider any magnet giveaway a homeopener) because our salesman with the tix retired.
Hopefulyl Ill get by before 1st pitch, good thing about the Bleacher Box is I can get there as late as I want and still have a seat.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer
by Hammer on
Mar 28, 2008 10:11 AM CDT
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Cool.
Stop by any time. I should be there early, shivering.
(Wish I'd known you needed tix. I still have two extra for Wed, and two for Thurs. Shameless plug. Anyone want 'em?)
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Mar 28, 2008 11:02 AM CDT
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Oooh!
Wednesday! me!
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
Mar 28, 2008 11:13 AM CDT
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Email me. They're still available.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Mar 28, 2008 11:41 AM CDT
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Moreover, to compare
Marshall and Eyre, two average to poor pitchers, to the best all-around players on the team, is absurd. No one's advocating playing the hottest minor-leaguer going, especially over Lee and Rammy, but Eyre and Marshall aren't even close to that caliber of player. Piggy clearly outplayed them and he should get his shot while Eyre rehabs. We already know what MArshall can do, which kind of "meh." Free Pigniatiello!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Mar 27, 2008 9:57 PM CDT
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Wow
Guess I struck a nerve here. I'm responding to you all by responding to myself.
We don't yet know what Marshall can do because we haven't yet seen him healthy for a full season. It may be that he will never be healthy for a full season, but we should certainly try to get him there, and the best way to try is to limit his innings in the 'pen for the beginning of the season. Marshall could be a useful starter. Piggy won't ever be anything more than a decent reliever. We have decent relievers. He can wait in AAA as long as the more important starter is getting himself set.
As for comparing Lee to Hoffpaiur and McG to Aramis, either spring training stats tell us somethng or they don't. If they tell us something then DLee and Aramis should go back to AAA and be ready to step up in case of an injury <>. If they don't then on what basis do you earn something with those limited stats? Here's the biggest problem in just quoting the stats - Piggy's been relieving at the back end of games when a lot of real major leaguers are sitting. Marshall's been on the road starting games, facing more major leaguers (someone check me on that, it's the sense I have, not something I checked). It's almost like comparing Pie's AAA stats to Soriano's MLB stats. The most important stat there are 5.1 inning and 8.1 innings. I can find you 5.1 inning stretches where Johan Santana had 9.00 ERA and 8.1 inning stretches where Horacio Ramirez had a 0.00 ERA. Does that mean anything?
Is the bullpen spot up for grabs? That is the question. The Cubs have implied spots are up for grabs, but when Jon Lieber out-pitched Marquis and Dempster, he got sent to the 'pen. It's because all the Cubs spring training battles were dog and pony shows. Lou has a plan, and if I'm right about what his plan is for Sean Marshall, it's a good plan.
The Marshall Plan: LOOGY for a month, Long-man for a month, fresh for the playoffs.
by DGU on
Mar 27, 2008 10:25 PM CDT
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No nerves struck here. I'm just having fun.
But I still say Piggy is there until Ryre is back.
Poor Matty Murton....
by Keystone80435 on
Mar 27, 2008 10:31 PM CDT
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Fun is good.
I think Piggy has a spot on this team; just not at Marshall's expense. Frankly, I don't get why Hart is ahead of Piggy on the depth chart.
The Marshall Plan: LOOGY for a month, Long-man for a month, fresh for the playoffs.
by DGU on
Mar 27, 2008 11:06 PM CDT
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All in fun,
for sure. I'm of the mind that Marshall lacks the physical makeup ever to be an effective starter. He's destined for long-man work, and the Cubs already have that in Lieber. They need a lefty door-slammer and I just don't have confidence in Marshall to do that. I'd like to see if Piggy can do it. Given the only choices appear to be Marhsall and Eyre, however, I choose Marshall.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Mar 27, 2008 11:13 PM CDT
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I grant
that it is seeming more and more likely that Marshall lacks the physical makeup, but let's get him farther from what he went through in 2006 and let's get him a little older before closing the book on him.
Fwiw, here's my overall pitching staff, if I was Lord and Chancellor:
Z, Lilly, Lieber, Hill, Dempster
Wood (Cl), Howry, Marmol, Wuertz, Eyre, Piggy, Marshall (Swing)
While Eyre is gone, why not go with 11 pitchers?
The Marshall Plan: LOOGY for a month, Long-man for a month, fresh for the playoffs.
by DGU on
Mar 27, 2008 11:46 PM CDT
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You thinking Marquis is trade bait and when he moves Lieber jumps into the starting spot?
Poor Matty Murton....
by Keystone80435 on
Mar 27, 2008 11:48 PM CDT
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oh, yeah!
it's gotta be.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
Mar 28, 2008 10:47 AM CDT
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I'd think so, too....
... especially since Marquis is a first-half pitcher. At the end of May his numbers ought to look real good, and maybe someone will bite, thinking "We can fix that 2nd half problem".
Only the thing is, they can't.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Mar 28, 2008 11:03 AM CDT
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Whatever it takes to win.
If it's Marshall then thats who I want. If it's Piggy then I want Piggy. I dont know if Piggy is ready for the show the 1st week of the season. I'm just saying if Eyre's spot is open for a few days while he's on the DL then I think Piggy should get it, just as a reward for how he performed in ST. When Eyre is back then it's Eyres spot to lose.
Poor Matty Murton....
by Keystone80435 on
Mar 27, 2008 11:20 PM CDT
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Why do you think Piggy should be ahead of Hart
on the depth chart? Because Hart had a couple rough Spring Training outings? But what Piggy's success this spring is meaningless because it was Spring Training? I don't get it. Sounds kind of contradictory to me.
Hart deserves a roster spot on this team.
by lemon20pie on
Mar 27, 2008 11:29 PM CDT
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I agree
Hart deserves a spot on the team. He pitched great in the second half last year in the minors and majors. He was pretty good this spring besides one awful game. Actually he pitched pretty well the other day and Marshall caused two runs to be added on his era. Carmen Pignatiello has pitched very well in the minors the last two seasons, and is having a very good spring. So I think he deserves a spot on the roster. Personally I don't want Marshall pitching as a lefty specialist I either want him starting in the majors, minors or being a long man in the majors were he is pitching 2-5 innings when he pitches.
by cubsfan25 on
Mar 27, 2008 11:35 PM CDT
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I think BOTH Hart and Piggy are making the team.
Right?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Mar 28, 2008 10:03 AM CDT
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Glad you asked
In 2006 in AA and AAA, CP had a 1.19 WHIP in 67 IP
In 2007 in AA and AAA, CP had a 1.08 WHIP in 55.2 IP
In 2006 in A+, KH had a 1.45 WHIP in 148 IP.
In 2007 in AA and AAA, KH had a 1.30 WHIP in 158 IP.
Granted, Hart was starting and Piggy was relieving, but Hart looks to me like he needs some more AAA seasoning and Piggy looks ready to go. I don't even know Hart's Spring stats. They're irrelevant.
The Marshall Plan: LOOGY for a month, Long-man for a month, fresh for the playoffs.
by DGU on
Mar 27, 2008 11:42 PM CDT
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Hart
didn't have his cut-fastball for most of those stats either. Hart was very good this spring besides one game. Lou really likes his stuff and thinks he can be a good ML pitcher. So I don't mind Lou putting Hard in the bullpen at all. But I also think what Pignatiello did in the last two years in the miinors and this spring he deserves a shot in the Majors as well. Maybe I'm a little biased for Pignatiello though since he's from my town and went to junior high with one of my friends.(which I heard he was a cocky little guy though)
by cubsfan25 on
Mar 27, 2008 11:49 PM CDT
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No cut fastball
Kevin Hart didn't have a cut fastball in 2006. He learned it last spring and it didn't become his out pitch until midseason. Before that, Kevin Hart was the guy who got traded for Freddy Bynum.
I don't really have a dog in this fight and don't care who gets the last spot in the rotation (and the honor of getting sent down when Scott Eyre is ready to go two weeks into the season) but it's really not a fair comparison.
How about this comparison? Kevin Hart was named the Cubs 2007 Minor League Pitcher of the Year and Carmen Pignatiello wasn't.
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by Josh77 on
Mar 28, 2008 12:16 AM CDT
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First off...Piggy is a LOOGY
and Hart would be the long man out of the pen. So the comparisons between the 2 are totally irrelevant. Do you remember any of last season? Hart was a critical component out of the pen late and played a valuable role down the stretch and contributed in the Cubs making it to the Playoffs. He was also on the Cubs playoff roster.
by lemon20pie on
Mar 28, 2008 12:21 AM CDT
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Lieber's the long man right now, I think.
Lou has said he plans on using Hart in the late innings. Pignatiello, for what it's worth, isn't a LOOGY, either; you can use him against lefties and righties.
Of the two, I think I lean towards having Pignatiello in the 'pen, simply because I think there's still a good chance Kevin Hart can become a major league starting pitcher, and that would make him much more valuable to this team. But, to open the season at least, I think we're going to see both of them in the pen.
by cwyers on
Mar 28, 2008 10:52 AM CDT
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Loud, sustained applause.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Mar 28, 2008 11:03 AM CDT
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Long man
A team has more than one "long man" out of the pen. If Lieber throws 3+ innings one game and the next game the need for another long man is needed, Lieber sure the hell isn't going to pitch 3+ again. Again, there is a reason why that last roster spot is between Marshall and Piggy and not Hart and Piggy. Hart has a roster spot guaranteed for the most part.
it's really pointless to even discuss any further.
by lemon20pie on
Mar 28, 2008 12:49 PM CDT
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By both you mean?
Both Piggy and Hart or Marshall and Piggy? The latter is not an option because that would be 8 men in the pen, which obviously not an option and if you meant the former, than Piggy would certainly be the LOOGY out of the pen.
by lemon20pie on
Mar 28, 2008 1:35 PM CDT
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I think he meant Piggy and Hart.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Mar 28, 2008 1:43 PM CDT
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So then that would mean
that Piggy would be the LOOGY out of the pen, no?
by lemon20pie on
Mar 28, 2008 2:00 PM CDT
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HEY!
You're rubbing in the good weather pretty hard. You better buy yourself a Vegas sweatshirt and a poncho before you make your way back here.
As a matter fo fact I'm looking out the window at snow right now.
Poor Matty Murton....
by Keystone80435 on Mar 27, 2008 6:39 PM CDT 0 recs
Snow.
Ugh. Get it out of there by Monday.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Mar 27, 2008 7:11 PM CDT
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But Al,
it gets better, here in Portage Park, it thundered and snowed. Gotta love springtime in the city.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Mar 27, 2008 7:53 PM CDT
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Thundersnow?
That's pretty cool. I've seen that a few times.
But let that be the LAST time till next winter.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Mar 28, 2008 10:04 AM CDT
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Fez guy!
Unless two people were sporting fezzes today, he was on TV.
"These are the saddest of possible words: Tinker to Evers to Chance."
by bluebythebook on Mar 27, 2008 6:44 PM CDT 0 recs
Probably him.
He actually had a seat behind the plate.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Mar 27, 2008 7:11 PM CDT
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Ted Lilly tomorrow
It's good to hear that Lilly will be on the mound for the (outlandishly expensive) Friday game in Vegas. The way I was counting things, it looked like I would "get" to see Marquis pitch. Speaking of the cost of tickets, I hear there are still tickets available for the Friday game. Saturday is sold out.
by Zachary on Mar 27, 2008 7:02 PM CDT 0 recs
Friday looks good. Saturday doesnt. Looks like you can only get single seats on cubs.com
Poor Matty Murton....
by Keystone80435 on
Mar 27, 2008 7:23 PM CDT
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There has to be another motive....
..If Lou goes with Marshall over Piggy. It just doesnt add up...thoughts?
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.
by JB 23 on Mar 27, 2008 7:19 PM CDT 0 recs
One thing Lou and Hendry have said
is that Eyre is not expected to be out very long, so whichever guy makes the team, it will probably be a short stint, so that will factor into their decision. I have no idea which player might or might not be negatively impacted by going back and forth on the Iowa shuttle. But it sounds like whoever gets the call might pitch all of one inning before being sent down again.
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson
by JohnM on
Mar 27, 2008 7:34 PM CDT
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There is a really good reason for starting Marshall in the 'pen.
He needs his innings limited. For more on this, see the discussion in the Opening Day Roster 2008 compared to 2007 fanpost.
The Marshall Plan: LOOGY for a month, Long-man for a month, fresh for the playoffs.
by DGU on
Mar 27, 2008 9:18 PM CDT
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Can hardly wait
The Iowa Cubs will be here in Nashville the second weekend in April. Should be some pretty good players on the roster.
by LT on Mar 27, 2008 7:55 PM CDT 0 recs
HAHA
I'm totally beating the dead horse...
Poor Matty Murton....
by Keystone80435 on
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the only thing....
i can think of is the fact marshall has much more experience than piggy!
by goatstew on Mar 27, 2008 8:44 PM CDT 0 recs
I cant think
of any reason you wouldnt reward Piggy for his ST. He deserves to make the opening day roster even if it's just a few days til Eyre gets back. Get that kid on the mound in a blow out, in a situation he can't really fail in and give him some good confidence.
Poor Matty Murton....
by Keystone80435 on
Mar 27, 2008 8:53 PM CDT
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hey marquis pitched....
well in spring trainig also!!what's your point?lol seriously,i am not saying this kid won't be any good?he may very well be.remember it's only ST and marshall does have more mlb experience!
by goatstew on Mar 27, 2008 9:00 PM CDT 0 recs
Marshall and Maquis are bait.
Get Piggy on that roster!!! haha
Poor Matty Murton....
by Keystone80435 on
Mar 27, 2008 9:09 PM CDT
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I think Carmen won the last spot
check Cubs.com but Lou said pretty much that Carmen has been amazing and it might happen.... I am really high on our team this year. I am as confident as I have been since 2004 only this time there is no Latroy Hawkins.
I just think our farm system while not "amazing" has a lot of people that can fill in at any point. We have starting pitching depth, we have a backup SS in Cedeno (who i believe should start) and a 2B in the minor (Patterson) that can play if DeRosa gets injured. Not to mention a backup to D Lee, Soriano, and Koskue in Hoffpauir and Murton.. (DO NOT TRADE the GINGER... Soriano will pull something if we do...)
My spring grades:
Offense C+
Starters B-
Relievers A
Bench A
Offensive MVP: Soriano with thanks to Hoffpauir and Pie
Pitching MVP (Starter) El Caballo- he has his money and it showed. One less homer to Dee Brown and almost a flawless spring.
Pitcher MVP (Reliever) See Mike Wuertz and Kerry Wood
Rookie: I know Felix doesnt count but Felix... I really expect good things.
Roll Cubs Roll...
by fischisgod on Mar 27, 2008 9:19 PM CDT 0 recs
Question
I haven't been around here much during the off-season so I may have missed this.
Has pink-hat guy been at any of the games?
Just curious.
phat
by phat on Mar 27, 2008 11:25 PM CDT 0 recs
check the fanposts
The threads about marketing and the BCB dictionary talk about him.
"These are the saddest of possible words: Tinker to Evers to Chance."
by bluebythebook on
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I don't think so...
... not at the ST games, anyway. But I'd look for him on Monday.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Mar 28, 2008 10:04 AM CDT
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IMO
The starters not waiting til the end of the game is ridiculous. Support your team----primadonnas
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer
by Hammer on Mar 28, 2008 9:13 AM CDT 0 recs
You're talking about the Brewers leaving early?
That had nothing to do with "support" and everything to do with making a plane out of town. By the end of the game, the only players left in the game for Milwaukee were minor leaguers.
Slam primadonnas when it's deserved, but this isn't one of those cases.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Mar 28, 2008 10:06 AM CDT
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Fair enough
My thoughts were that it was the second game of a double header in high school and the starters were already waiting on the bus.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer
by Hammer on
Mar 28, 2008 10:13 AM CDT
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Yeah, it kind of looked like that.
But it wasn't.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Mar 28, 2008 11:04 AM CDT
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pitching & defense
This team is looking more like Piniella teams of yore, with the emphasis on pitching & defense. In my many years of following this great game, that is what wins almost all the time over everything else. More hitting & speed would be nice, but this team should still be solid.
"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields
by KedzieKid on Mar 28, 2008 9:55 AM CDT 0 recs
And the best thing is...
... unlike last year, Lou has a very good idea of where this team is and how his players will perform. It took two months of crappy play in 2007 to figure that out. This year, they ought to hit the ground running.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Mar 28, 2008 10:05 AM CDT
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About this whole Marshall v. Pignatiello thing...
...Al, you're probably already working this into your post but, in case you missed it, today's Sun-Times includes a Gordon Wittenmeyer piece on the matter.
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.
by dat cubfan daver on Mar 28, 2008 10:18 AM CDT 0 recs


