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That's Not The Way I Always Heard It Should Be

This one had a chance. Really, it did. As I said to Mike after the 9th inning, today's game had already leaped into the top rank of all Cubs home openers after Kosuke Fukudome's dramatic, frenetic, amazing three-run homer that had Wrigley rocking tied the game.

But in the end, the thing that was supposed to be one of the most solid aspects of the 2008 Cubs -- its bullpen -- failed. Kerry Wood had good velocity today -- hitting 96 on the ballpark speed gun several times -- but bad command, hitting Rickie Weeks with his first pitch.

That was his undoing, as with two out, Corey Hart hit a two-run triple. We all thought the game was done, until Dome's incredible shot. Dome was, obviously, the Cub star of the game, singling, doubling, walking and hitting the HR.

The Cubs lost to the Brewers 4-3 in 10 innings today in a game delayed twice by rain, 40 minutes at the start and 50 minutes in the bottom of the third. It rained most of the time play was taking place, too; heavily before the delay in the third, less so after the second delay, although it didn't stop for good until the 8th inning.

So one dome team -- the Brewers -- plays in Chicago and wins. Another -- the Blue Jays -- were to play in New York and got rained out. When will the schedulers learn? Today, I heard that there are rumblings that MLB brass is threatening to fine players who complain about the weather. Shades of Bowie Kuhn sitting coatless at the World Series back in the 70's, pretending it wasn't cold.

It wasn't too cold today -- game time temperature was 44, but once the first rain blasted through, the wind shifted to the southwest and the temperature jumped into the not-uncomfortable mid-50's, though the gusts made it hard to hold on to the umbrellas we all had raised most of the time. Howard arrived promptly with the Jimmy John's sandwiches not long after the gates opened, but he spent much of his time during the first delay downstairs, while I watched the KC/Detroit game on the plasma screen across the street at one of the rooftop clubs.

Who says you can't entertain yourself during a rain delay?

During the pregame delay several Cubs walked across the field to hit in the batting cages beneath the bleachers. Guess who got the largest ovation? Mark DeRosa.

DeRo hit two fly balls that nearly caught enough of a wind gust to make the bleachers during the game; both wound up caught by Tony Gwynn Jr., unfortunately.

The usual lineup-along-the-baselines Opening Day ritual for both teams was dispensed with in order to speed along some of the other pregame activities, including a moment of silence for the NIU shootings, a nice touch, and the Cubs will fly a NIU flag on top of the upper deck all season. When the Cubs took the field, Dome ran to his RF position to a rousing ovation, and dozens of signs, including a huge section-long banner reading "FUKUDOME". He took off his cap and gave what in Japanese culture would be seen as a formal bow, very slight.

It was a much more excited and lively crowd that greeted him after the HR. He did do a curtain call out of the dugout, but also doffed his cap to the remaining crowd in RF.

For eight innings it was a pitchers' duel, starters Ben Sheets and Carlos Zambrano nearly matching each other pitch for pitch into the 7th. Sheets was yanked after giving up the single to Dome, and Salomon Torres hit DeRosa and walked Geovany Soto (good sign today: the Cubs drew four walks). While Soto was at bat, Dome got hung up in between 2nd and 3rd and had nowhere to go; DeRo took second, but Jason Kendall ran all the way out to near the SS position to tag Dome out.

That seemed to take a lot out of the Cubs; in the previous inning Z had left the game with forearm cramping. This has happened to him before, and having thrown 89 pitches, Lou took him out, likely as a precaution in the wet, sticky-cold conditions (my gloves finally got so wet I gave up and just put them away). I'm sure he'll be fine for his next start.

Carlos Marmol relieved and threw one pitch to finish the 7th, breezed through the 8th, and then, unfortunately, Wood and Bob Howry simply didn't do their jobs. But is this a disaster? (A certain local newspaper columnist will probably say so.) No, it's not. It's one game. Closers fail (and this isn't a blown save, since it wasn't a save situation). It's just as likely that Wood will throw great in his next six outings. I can quibble (and Phil was haranguing me in the bleachers all inning about this) about the choice of Howry to throw the 10th. Phil said Michael Wuertz might have been a better pick, and I think I agree.

Oh, and it didn't help that the first two spots in the batting order went 0-for-10, either.

One comment about the crowd, and I realize it was Opening Day and the weather was terrible -- but security in the bleachers was nearly nonexistent. I didn't see a single security person upstairs until after the rain delay; the new no-smoking-anywhere-in-Wrigley (mandated by the new state law) was being widely flouted by people smoking right in front of the many new no-smoking signs, and until several security supervisors came by, people were refusing to sit down in front of us during game action. It wasn't rowdy -- except down the LF line in the box seats late in the game where there was a disturbance -- but if this isn't addressed, it could get that way. Hopefully, this can and will be addressed soon.

It's late and I'm cold and tired and wet, but tomorrow I'll have some more things from the opener to post. Many of you liked the scorecard scans I posted last September and I'll scan mine and post it. Also, we at SBN are doing some test mobile audio posts. I recorded what I call some "Sounds of the Game" today on my phone and I'll put them together in a "mobile post" tomorrow afternoon.

Finally, it was nice to meet BCB's newest most prolific poster, Keystone80435, who stopped by and said hi. Thanks for the fries, incidentally. Several other BCB readers who didn't identify themselves, just said they read and like the site, stopped by to say hello -- thanks to all of you.

And despite the loss (hey, it's only 1 game of 162. Not worried), it was nice to feel home today. Home at Wrigley. Home to baseball. Now let's go get those Brewers on Wednesday.

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Hey, it's just one game of 162.

Get 'em Wednesday! Encouraging debut from Fookie. Let's hope he didn't set the bar too high. : )

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Mar 31, 2008 7:04 PM CDT   0 recs

Time to update the record Al :(

Old Style is the nectar of life.

by Mordecai on Mar 31, 2008 7:12 PM CDT   0 recs

I have no control over that.

It should auto-update at some point, but I don't know when.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 31, 2008 9:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pretty disapointed...

... in the overall team offense today. There were plenty of hittable pitches and the Cubs flailed away. I realize there is the "the pitchers are ahead of the hitters" stuff but the Cubs could have and should have gotten more hits and runs. Alfonso and Ramirez both missed very fat pitches and both reacted badly when they did.

Anyhow, game one is over and done with. I hate the day off post game one but whatever.

DmL

by dmlichte on Mar 31, 2008 7:16 PM CDT   0 recs

yeah..

i feel about the same way you do al but........ we had all off season and it seems apparent jim hendry and lou didnt do their jobs all the way. were lacking one major thing on this team.

what is it???? little league fundamentals!! this shit has got to stop this year if we want a chance. this getting picked off base etc must be addressed somehow. i know it seems little but this kinda stuff absolutely killed us last year. they teach this stuff starting the 1st day of practice in t-ball on..

wasted outs make me sick. maybe they can come up with a joke of some sort like u gotta wear pink shoelaces or carry a pink backpack or something. but this kinda stuff has got to stop now. we can be our own best friend or our own worst enemy.

GO CUBS GO!!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Mar 31, 2008 7:16 PM CDT   0 recs

Did you see the play?

Although I cant stand these mistakes, this one was more of an unfortunate bounce than bad fundamentals. Fukudome read that the pitch took a hard bounce of Kendall and broke. The ball bounced off Soto and right to Kendall. Fukudome probably could have made it back to second but DeRosa broke on the play too.

by okiecubbie on Mar 31, 2008 7:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ironic

that probably the best fundamental player on the team ended up being out in that play.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 31, 2008 7:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

please, please, please....

...stop calling him Dome. worst. nickname. ever. I much prefer Kosuke.

by jolietconvict on Mar 31, 2008 7:17 PM CDT   0 recs

Even if it's pronounced...

...Dough-may?

Don't mind it, or Fuku, as long as both are pronounced with a bit o' class.

Haiku-a-Day for Fukudome, helping Fuku understand the American game, 17 syllables at a time. Visit cubshaikus.blogspot.com!

by Bildo1805 on Mar 31, 2008 8:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

haha instead of fukudome

each time he gets a clutch hit yell fukyahdome! I know its alittle crude..

Live is boring until March 31st strolls by..

by Chanman25 on Mar 31, 2008 8:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Very crude.

I could do without that.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 31, 2008 9:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

whoops

thought that might have been too much

Live is boring until March 31st strolls by..

by Chanman25 on Mar 31, 2008 9:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

agree

I like Fuke better. Easy to type, and say, and doesn't remind me of condoms...Domes are what we called them waaaay back when I needed such things...pre-surgery!!!

Soriano should hit 5th. Period.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Mar 31, 2008 8:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Too much information.

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 31, 2008 9:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Isnt Dome what he wants to called?

by Madison Cub Fan on Mar 31, 2008 8:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes.

That's why I do it. That was his nickname in Japan, and he has said he prefers it.

So until I hear otherwise, that's what I'm going to do.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 31, 2008 9:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

on a positive note

fookie made himself right at home today.

so who's got some design skills and is gonna make us a fookie monster t-shirt? at the very least, a fookie monster animated gif for game threads?

anyone?

by billywan on Mar 31, 2008 7:19 PM CDT   0 recs

I'm sorry, but if we're debating nicknames for Fukudome...

..."Fookie" has got to go. That makes him sound like a character on The Muppets. As Al said, Kosuke's preferred nickname is "Dome" (yes, pronounced "DOUGH-may), and I will be abiding by this as well.

Moreoever, as tempting as it might be, can we all collectively agree to resist the urge to associate the man's name with an obscenity? Is that so hard? We are, after all, talking about his name. Even if you're trying to do it in a positive way, it's still disrespectful. And, after what Dome did for this team yesterday, I think we can all agree that the man deserves our respect.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by dat cubfan daver on Apr 1, 2008 9:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

no problem with restraining from profanities

but fookie goes well with fonty and fonzy as discussed previously.

by cubsonWGN4ever on Apr 1, 2008 10:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, to be honest, I don't care for those much either, though I guess "Fonty" isn't horrible.

I never liked Fonzy. Why? This is Fonzy:

This is Alfonso Soriano:

I just don't want to reference Henry freakin' Winkler every time Soriano comes to the plate. Maybe that's a generational thing, though.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by dat cubfan daver on Apr 1, 2008 10:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm with you

Can't stand Fonzie for Soriano, but I like "Fonty" -- it's jaunty.

Fookie - actually, Fookie could be a sort of minor sub character on Happy Days or Lavergne and Shirley. Someone who works in the brewery, no doubt. Does not fit a potential 21st Century Superstar like Dome, though.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Apr 1, 2008 11:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What about calling Soriano this, like I do?

Haiku-a-Day for Fukudome, helping Fuku understand the American game, 17 syllables at a time. Visit cubshaikus.blogspot.com!

by Bildo1805 on Apr 1, 2008 11:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ugh, I hated the idea of "Alf" as a nickname, too. I'm glad that one didn't catch on.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by dat cubfan daver on Apr 1, 2008 12:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

well...

i agree that fookie is a pretty bad nickname. but i just enjoy thinking of a little cartoon version of him eating baseballs and cardinals hats so much, that i like "fookie monster."

by billywan on Apr 1, 2008 10:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Al

I don't know if you're going to read the game threads -- well over 1300 comments in the two of them put together -- but it's clear that some upgrades need to be made for the site to hold up under regular season load. :D There was a member of the site staff in the threads to watch, but can you keep us updated to what changes they might make?

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 31, 2008 7:25 PM CDT   0 recs

can you say "meltdown"?

I couldn't get back in for a while. The tech guy was there so maybe he will figure out a way to make it go smoother. One problem he identified was the posting of large files (pictures) and how they slowed the loading of the page.

by LT on Mar 31, 2008 8:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We are working on this.

I've got some ideas and I am going to discuss them with the tech team tomorrow on the off day.

The photos might have to go on fast-moving game threads.

It wasn't just BCB -- a lot of the baseball sites were slow today. I attribute that to Opening Day excitement. Hopefully, the servers will be upgraded to handle the load.

And no, I don't think I'll have time to go through these game threads, at least. I usually try to if I have time.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 31, 2008 9:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Question

I do not mean to sound rude...but who was this sue369 that started another game thread? Also a moderator for the new BCB 2.0? I thought that was really neat and great, thanks for doing it.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Mar 31, 2008 10:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sue is just another fan

but a Site admin promoted it to the front page so everyone could see it. The main thread was unusable.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 31, 2008 10:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What I take from this game

is that the Cubs, aren't really an urgent team in general. You get what you get with Ben Sheets. No surprises. He throws a straight as straight can be fastball, and was sitting outer half. I cannot believe how a guy with the strength of Derrek Lee, is unwilling to go out and take it the other way. IF the Cubs offense struggles, I'll bet my bottom dollar they had poor pitch selection. You're a hitter, your job is to hit. A lot of time in the past, and especially today, I thought a few guys weren't willing to take what Sheets was giving. As for Dome getting picked off...maybe he doesn't understand "back" yet.

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Mar 31, 2008 7:26 PM CDT   0 recs

I'll take the patience

over the hacking of the last few years. If the cubs had taken the approach of the last few years, my guess is we would have seen a lot of quick innings and a complete game shutout by Sheets. I was heartened to see them stretch him out on a few occasions.

Sheets is an awesome pitcher, and on a cold day the lack of runs against him doesn't bother me. This loss goes to the bullpen, no less, no more.

by TC Cubby on Apr 1, 2008 8:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wish I was there in the 9th

the sound of the crowd chanting Fu-Ku-DO-Me was awesome, at least in front of my TV. What a great moment. And, after everyone worried about his hitting this spring look what he does today....player of the game is right! To be able to jack the ball out in the 9th, his first clutch hit as a Cub, WOW! If he keeps this up he'll have one hell of a season and keep the tradition of right fielders Dawson and Sosa alive to the right field bleacher fans. Great start, bad result. We'll get the next one!

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Mar 31, 2008 7:28 PM CDT   0 recs

Loud, sustained applause.

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 31, 2008 9:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

When I heard them

chanting that it gave me goosebumps. He certainly had a great day. Hope he has many more for years to come.

by sue369 on Apr 1, 2008 7:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I got back home

in time to see that. It was incredible.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 1, 2008 9:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Can't Wait

to read the Japanese media's take on this.

"Heroic Fukudome Effort Frittered by Gaijin Pitcher"

The Artist Formerly Known as Chris

by 08Cubs on Mar 31, 2008 7:37 PM CDT   0 recs

Fukudome

had the greatest Cubs opening day since Tuffy Rhodes. Tuffy hit 3 home runs off Dwight Gooden and had only 6 more the rest of the season. He wound up in Japan, where he tied Saduharo Oh's single season home run record.

Hopefully the rest of Kosuke's season will be better than Tuffy's.

by Clark Addison on Mar 31, 2008 7:44 PM CDT   0 recs

Remember it well..

If I recall correctly, Hillary Clinton threw out the first pitch.. The team was never over .500

Wood for closer.

by wicubfan on Apr 1, 2008 12:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I know it isn't what was meant, but...

Al, the end of your summary makes it seem as though you're predicting the Cubs to lose 162 games this season.

Security was pretty lax today, but everything on opening day seems lax. I cut a group of drinkers off for the first time in six years. Note: doing the sprinkler with beer in a packed house doesn't look good, nor does falling down, nor does trying to stick your head down your girlfriends shirt while trying to drink a beer. Security was not on thier game today.

I was wondering about the smoking policy-- nobody told us vendors anything. As gameday employees, we're not allowed to smoke in the ballpark. But, as a portable beer vendor, I ain't sayin nuttin. Smoking will shorten your life.

Dome hit a big big big homie. Reminded me of Ramierez's walk off against the Brews last year that's immortalized on the schedules. The ovation after that homer today lasted a long, long time. Gagne is toast.

Let's get em Wednesday.

"Trapled moss on your souls; changes all you're a part; seen it all, not at all; can't defend a (Cubs fan)"- pearl jam

by section229beer on Mar 31, 2008 7:54 PM CDT   0 recs

Wow

So tell me...is it as cool as I think to be a beer vendor in Wrigley?

Haiku-a-Day for Fukudome, helping Fuku understand the American game, 17 syllables at a time. Visit cubshaikus.blogspot.com!

by Bildo1805 on Mar 31, 2008 7:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, probably, but...

it has occational downsides, like being in subzero temperatures for 6-7 hrs without a jacket or decent gloves trying to count money, or the whole 2006 season.

i've been very fortunate and blessed with a view of the field and a couple of great seasons recently. It's fun to justify spending (too many) hours a day during the offseason and now in-season reading and talking Cubs with y'all and justifying it as work-related.

"Trapled moss on your souls; changes all you're a part; seen it all, not at all; can't defend a (Cubs fan)"- pearl jam

by section229beer on Apr 1, 2008 12:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey Section,

If you see Bobby Shaw call him the "Bobfather."

I'll be in the park Thursday and Friday, I'll have to stop by and buy a beer from you. What type to you sell?

by Tangled Up In Blue on Apr 1, 2008 12:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I fixed the post...

... hopefully it makes more sense now.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 31, 2008 9:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Todays game

we lost because the Brewers pen pitched a little better then ours. But over the course of the season our bullpen will be a strength IMO, I just hope it doesn't struggle early like last year. I'm confident though Wood will pitch well if he's healthy 9 times outta 10 though. The offense wasn't very good but you know Lee, Ramirez, Soriano and DeRosa are going to hit. So if Fukudome is even close to the hitter he was today our line-up is going to be pretty good.

Fans are going to overreact about todays game, and treat it like it's a postseason game. But it's just one of 162 games, and just as important as some random game in middle or August. So even though we lost today there were some postives.

by cubsfan25 on Mar 31, 2008 8:17 PM CDT   0 recs

I was disappointed and bummed...

but I think this was only exacerbated because it was the Brewers. 161 more games like this one, we might have a problem... but the sky is definitely not falling.

by Great Odin's Raven on Apr 1, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

For the overreacting fan

it's just one game(it's not a playoff game), and means nothing towards our season. Here's a few examples

Cubs vs D-backs-05- Cubs score 16 runs and win 16-6
Finshed the season 79-83(4th place)

Cubs vs Reds-06- Cubs score 16 runs and win 16-7
Finshed the season 66-96 last place

Cubs vs Reds-07- Cubs score 1 run and lose 5-1.
Finshed the season 85-77 division champs

We lost today, there's nothing wrong with Wood, the line-up,the baserunning, Howry or whoever. Because you can't make that judgement after one game. We lost one game that could have went either way, but thats all it was, is one game. I wonder if Braves, Phillies and Tigers fans are freaking out like some Cubs fans are.

by cubsfan25 on Mar 31, 2008 8:37 PM CDT   0 recs

Well

Ty very much that def helped, i was never over reacting but i was alittle disapointed. ty for those stats

by Rudey on Mar 31, 2008 8:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ha, if I was a overreactor

Id hug you.

BTW.. today was my secondday and first game living down kenmore and my girlfriend, 3ushers from the game and myself had to help a drunk guy get home after standing out front of my window for 45 minutes trying to get into a car that wasnt his. I watched him for that whole time bec ause I was worried Id have to run and grab his keys. I love LOVE LOVE/hate Wrigleyville.

The game was very exciting and I listened a lot at work and on the way home.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 31, 2008 9:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think

people are overreacting in the vein of, "Wood is done. We suck. 0-162, here we come."

It's more like, "Damn. What a great Opening Day game to look back on years from now. It's just a shame we didn't win it."

You don't snipe in Carrington!

by neverAcquiesce on Apr 1, 2008 10:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

if only wood didnt fuck up

and kosukes homer would have been a walkoff, making it the best opening day debut ever!!

by grathanial on Mar 31, 2008 8:41 PM CDT   0 recs

well

you could argue that he would never had hit that home run if Gagne wasn't pitching..

Live is boring until March 31st strolls by..

by Chanman25 on Mar 31, 2008 8:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Watch your language.

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 31, 2008 9:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just one game, but two things concern me

One, Theriot looked just as helpless at the plate as he he did the final month and a half of last season. I like the guy but I continue to doubt he has what it takes to be a everyday leadoff hitter. Two, how does Z cramp up in 50 degree weather? Will he even be able to get through 4 innings come August.

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Mar 31, 2008 8:56 PM CDT   0 recs

Yep

Theriot concerns me. A lot.

by MDBNIU on Mar 31, 2008 8:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Take Brian Roberts' line

2/2 w/ 2 BB and a SB; replace it for Theriot's o-fer, and what does today's game look like? Add Lou's theory that having a lefty hitter up there before Rami and DLee will help take away that outside corner...

Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make, but sometimes...

by DGU on Mar 31, 2008 9:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That player you mentioned...

doesn't play SS, does he?

Haiku-a-Day for Fukudome, helping Fuku understand the American game, 17 syllables at a time. Visit cubshaikus.blogspot.com!

by Bildo1805 on Mar 31, 2008 9:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Does Ryan Theriot play an adequate SS?

Or is Theriot a 2B who gets enough dirt on his uniform to look adequate?

by DGU on Apr 1, 2008 9:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We have a 2nd baseman

His name is Mark DeRosa.

by MDBNIU on Mar 31, 2008 9:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm talking about batting position, not fielding position.

I still maintain that there's no way Lou leaves Theriot out there and DeRosa on the bench. If Theriot played a good defensive SS, it would be different, but he doesn't and there is no reason to ever play him against a right-handed pitcher.

by DGU on Apr 1, 2008 8:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, for heaven's sake.

You can't do that on a game-to-game basis. What if that other player goes 0-for-5 in his next game and Theriot goes 2-for-4 with two doubles?

Possible, right?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Mar 31, 2008 9:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wholly possible.

In the words of Norman Dale: "My team's on the court (field)"

Haiku-a-Day for Fukudome, helping Fuku understand the American game, 17 syllables at a time. Visit cubshaikus.blogspot.com!

by Bildo1805 on Mar 31, 2008 9:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If I wasn't lazy, I could even take a look at the gamelogs...

...from last season and see if it happened. But yes, very possible. And perfectly meaningless.

I'm firmly convinced that we won't know any more about Ryan Theriot at the end of April than we did at the end of last season - it's very difficult to learn anything about a ballplayer in a month of play. It's even more true about a single game. If Theriot really doesn't merit being our starting shortstop, than that's so whether he goes 0-for-5 or 5-for-5 on opening day.

I understand that people are reacting to small sample sizes because that's all we have right now. But nobody should be changing their mind about Ryan Theriot because of one game.

by cwyers on Apr 1, 2008 1:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

first of all

you can't compare roberts day and suppose its interchangeable with what theriot did. secondly....I think its way to premature to start criticizing theriot. besides fukudome, no one hit today..it wasn't just theriot. It's the first game...let's be patient.

by cubsmania on Mar 31, 2008 9:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and if that second shot by Derosa

had gone even five feet higher...

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 31, 2008 9:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

See, I think it's way too late just to be starting criticism of Theriot

Whether you are analyzing things statistically or reading scouting reports, Theriot does not profile as a player who will succeed as a regular every day lead-off hitter. I remember reading Keith Law's playoff analysis where he said Theriot looked like he was guessing last year at the end of the year, and it looked (to my untrained eyes) the same way today.

As for swapping Theriot's line and Roberts' line, yes, I know you "can't do that" as if Brian Roberts' line is just interchangeable ignoring pitcher, ignoring leagues, ignoring weather, etc. What you can do is look at what Roberts is likely to do - hang in there against tough pitchers and get on base close to 2 out of 5 plate apperances and what Theriot is likely to do - be totally overmatched by tough pitchers and generally make outs 2 out of 3 appearances - and then you can say, having Roberts was likely to make the difference between a win and a loss today. The difference between Roberts leading off and Theriot leading off is big enough that EVERY one-run game the Cubs lose, the question should be raised.

by DGU on Apr 1, 2008 8:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ill agree

I don't think theriot should lead off...I would like to see him bat behind soto. I think it would give soto protection in the lineup and let soto see some better pitches. I think other teams are going to give soto junk and just try to get pie out. However, I still dont think we should jump to conclusions just yet on a day when everyone struggled against a good pitcher.

by cubsmania on Apr 1, 2008 4:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ha, he is a good player

but a tad bit weak for me. I wonder if Lou eventually goes with Cedeno. Lou knows baseball and Im sure that he knows in a "game of one on one" in baseball game between Theriot and Cedeno; Cedeno dominates him. To be continued.....

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry "I strongly dislike Steve Stone." ---Hammer

by Hammer on Mar 31, 2008 9:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ronny Cedeno is awful

Don't even go there by suggesting that he will overtake Ryan Theriot at shortstop. If Cedeno is playing near every day then we have a crisis at shortstop. Cedeno has proven time and time again that he is a Triple A wonder with t