2008 Community Projections: Carlos Marmol

You make the call: will the man with the filthy slider become the 9th inning pitcher, the "Closer"? Or will he continue to put out fires in the 7th or 8th innings?
I say he's much more valuable to the team in the setup role, and will become one of the top setup men in the National League in 2008.
G 70
GF 10
IP 85
H 60
ER 12
BB 36
SO 118
W 4
L 0
SV 2
SVOPP 3
ERA 1.27
WHIP 1.13
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So, saw on the ESPN crawl that Soriano's
by buckmulligan on Mar 5, 2008 8:39 AM CST 0 recs
That probably came from...
Besides, it's spring training -- if he misses two weeks now, so what?
by Al on
Mar 5, 2008 8:51 AM CST
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yeah, not a big deal now,
by buckmulligan on
Mar 5, 2008 10:49 AM CST
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Marmol
I think he's very good, and of course I agree with Al he's far more valuable as a set-up guy, going two innings quite often to just shut the door in the 7th and 8th. These days, it seems like the set-up guy gets the real saves. You can put any warm body in to hold a 3-run lead for one inning in the 9th. Even Joe Borowski, as Cleveland demonstrated last year. Let's not waste Marmol on situations like that.
by danimal15 on Mar 5, 2008 9:32 AM CST 0 recs
Well
There's no coincidence at all between him pitching in that capacity last year and the Cubs success.
by morgane on
Mar 5, 2008 9:56 AM CST
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Why can't he be our old-school fireman?!
by Jerry Mumphrey on Mar 5, 2008 9:38 AM CST 0 recs
I think
If my memory serves me correctly, that was a problem with him in '06 when he started games. Thus the current role is best suited for his abilities. I think....
by wild bill on
Mar 5, 2008 10:02 AM CST
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I agree
W-L: 5-1
K: 126
BB: 38
ERA: 1.46
by JJDiesel21 on Mar 5, 2008 10:13 AM CST 0 recs
Ideal game
But realistically, I like the idea of starter going 6 or 7, bringing in Marmol to get him out of a jam and perhaps go another inning, and then close the door with Wood or Howry.
Another idea - have Marmol be the old-style 8th and 9th inning guy. That's how Lee Smith used to do it.
by danimal15 on
Mar 5, 2008 10:23 AM CST
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Al, I love it
by Hammer on Mar 5, 2008 10:15 AM CST 0 recs
I'm very excited to see what he does this year....
GF 10
IP 75
H 68
ER 25
BB 32
SO 90
W 5
L 3
SV 5
SVOPP 6
ERA 3.00
WHIP 1.33
by Damen Jackson on Mar 5, 2008 10:24 AM CST 0 recs
Marmol is the closer
GF
IP 72
H 68
ER 25
BB 32
SO 100
W 4
L 3
SV 41
SVOPP 47
ERA 2.4
WHIP 1.15
by Hammer on Mar 5, 2008 10:32 AM CST 0 recs
If he does that...
I don't see it, but I hope you're right.
by Al on
Mar 5, 2008 10:38 AM CST
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The only real differences
by Hammer on
Mar 5, 2008 10:39 AM CST
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Sure.
by Al on
Mar 5, 2008 10:40 AM CST
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Mostly
by Hammer on
Mar 5, 2008 10:43 AM CST
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every year
What is unusual is Al's prediction of 85 IP, 1.27 ERA.
Here's a list of all the relievers in the last 6 years with more than 80 innings pitched and an ERA below 1.50
Eric Gagne, 2003
That is all.
by TampaCubFan on
Mar 5, 2008 10:57 AM CST
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WOW!!!!
by MPH73 on Mar 5, 2008 10:43 AM CST 0 recs
Al,
In all likelihood, Marmol won't post an ERA under 2. I'm not even really holding my breath for 2.50. I could definitely see him in the 2.75-3.00 range.
by Thelonious on Mar 5, 2008 10:51 AM CST 0 recs
I won't take that bet....
Three.
In 59 innings, 285 batters faced.
by Al on
Mar 5, 2008 12:55 PM CST
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Marmol Thoughts
G 78
GF 12
IP 89
H 60
ER 27
BB 45
SO 118
W 7
L 2
SV 6
SVOPP 9
ERA 2.73
WHIP 1.18
by Qixotl on Mar 5, 2008 11:03 AM CST 0 recs
Marmol
G 76
GF 6
IP 78
H 67
ER 21
BB 36
SO 109
W 3
L 1
SV 2
SVOPP 3
ERA 2.42
WHIP 1.32
by McRipper on Mar 5, 2008 11:23 AM CST 0 recs
Hope you're wrong
by danimal15 on
Mar 5, 2008 12:09 PM CST
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tony412
GF 13
IP 89
H 71
ER 15
BB 48
SO 124
W 6
L 2
SV 11
SVOPP 12
ERA 2.27
WHIP 1.34
by tony412 on Mar 5, 2008 11:39 AM CST 0 recs
Holds?
by false cognate on Mar 5, 2008 12:32 PM CST 0 recs
100 IP?
If I were manager, and Marmol kept up his solid performance, he'd pitch 100 innings or more for me in relief. The last Cub to pitch triple-digit innings in relief was Terry Adams, who had 101 innings in 69 relief appearances in 1996.
by danimal15 on Mar 5, 2008 3:18 PM CST 0 recs
I still think...
by Al on
Mar 5, 2008 3:48 PM CST
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Well
My model would be Earl Weaver's 1971 Orioles. They had four starters. All won 20 games. All had 10 or more CGs.
He actually used the bullpen even less than I would. On that team, not a single reliever pitched in more games than any of the four starters. If I were managing, I'd like to have a Mike Marshall or Dick Tidrow type of reliever who could go in to face one batter one day or throw 6 innings the next.
by danimal15 on
Mar 5, 2008 4:09 PM CST
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Marmol
88 IP
115 K
42 BB
2.67 ERA
1.11 WHIP
I'm hoping Lou uses him like he did last year - to kill rallies or pitch to the heart of the order before the 9th inning. His stuff is so obscene that these nubmers should be even lower, but I think that he'll get overworked from this usage pattern and have an ineffective stretch during the summer.
by berselius on Mar 6, 2008 11:26 AM CST 0 recs
more complete stats
GF 5
IP 88
H 56
ER 26
BB 40
SO 115
W 4
L 4
SV 3
SVOPP 3
ERA 2.65
WHIP 1.11
by berselius on
Mar 6, 2008 11:32 AM CST
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