Open Thread: Cubs vs. Royals, Sunday 3/9, 3:05 CT

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 7:19 AM CST in Game Threads

Reminder: one hour later than yesterday (and this will be the case for most, but not all, remaining spring games) due to Daylight Saving time taking effect this morning.

Bruce Miles tells us today about the starting pitching numbers game, and says the rotation is starting to take shape:

Jon Lieber started Saturday's home game against the Arizona Diamondbacks and worked 4 scoreless innings. Unless Lieber comes up injured or is totally ineffective, he's in the rotation.

That leaves the final spot between righties Ryan Dempster and Jason Marquis. If the Cubs can trade Marquis, as they'd prefer, that solves one problem. If not, somebody's going to the bullpen.

Bruce also says that Sean Marshall would likely go to Iowa (since he has options left) rather than be in the bullpen. Makes sense to me.

In another article, Bruce writes that while Jake Fox may not have a great chance to make the team, he's finishing up his college degree and developing a program for college coaches to help out diabetic athletes.

Phil Rogers' Sunday notes column includes this quote from Corey Patterson on his signing with the Reds:

"I'm one of those players who can do most of everything—play good defense, steal some bases, hit line drives in the gaps," Patterson said. "I can do all phases and I have done things well, like the baserunning and the throwing and the defense. But I'm always looking to improve, and I'm never satisfied."

Mm-hmm, Corey. Whatever you say.

Ryan Dempster will start for the Cubs. Kerry Wood, Neal Cotts, Carmen Pignatiello, Kevin Hart and Carlos Marmol will also throw for the Cubs. For KC, Brett Tomko starts and the Cubs will also face Julio Pimentel, Yasuhiko Yabuta, Leon Nunez and ex-Cub Ron Mahay. (Information from the Royals' website. C'mon, Carrie. Post this on the Cubs' website, too!)

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Uh, Corey might be...

...looking to improve ~now~, but he wasn't with us. Still, it's hard to believe he's 28: it feels like he should be about 31-32 considering his long association with us. And how is Dusty going to teach him about OBP when Dusty's goal is to get his players to swing more? Hmm... - TL

"Why shouldn't we believe that we're going to win the World Series?" - Ted Lilly, 1/19/2008, Daily Herald interview w/Barry Rozner

by timlacy on Mar 9, 2008 9:38 AM CDT reply actions

i heard on the score

that the cubs might be getting coco crisp for fuld and marquis. any thoughts?

by china423 on Mar 9, 2008 9:57 AM CDT reply actions

As

long as the Cubs aren't letting him be an everyday CF, which I don't think they will, and Coco is ok with that and won't be a cancer, I think it is a good move.

by cubswin14 on Mar 9, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions

that's a lot of if's.

We already have a lot of ifs in regards to this team...

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 9, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions

No "If" is bigger than

Pie in CF. IF he figures out where the strike zone is. IF he learns how to take a walk.

"It's that wonderul relief that comes when they stop hitting you in the head with a hammer."

by lostinthevines on Mar 9, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions

I'd say that

today, along with several other ST appearances, show that he's making good progress.

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 9, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions

Marquis

hits as well, if not better than Crisp. If Jason could play a decent CF a major problem would be solved!

And so it goes.

by Luigi on Mar 9, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions

LOL!

Billy Pilgrim would be proud.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 9, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions

bull crap

by wojo on Mar 9, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm pretty sure

that Luigi was at least half-joking.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 9, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions

LOL

And don't forget, Marquis hits lefthanded. So that wouldn't work for a platoon with Pie anyway.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions

This has got me to thinking

what an all-pitcher lineup would look like. Fielding considerations aside, of course. Also, I'm only using active pitchers. Probably those with a more extensive historical insight into the game will produce more interesting lists. So, here's mine, by lineup order:

1.) Dontrelle Willis
2.) Mike Hampton
3.) Jason Jennings
4.) Micah Owings
5.) Carlos Zambrano
6.) Jason Marquis
7.) Greg Maddux
8.) Livan Hernandez
9.) Jeff Suppan

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 9, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions

Don't Forget

Kerry. His bat has always had some pop. My guess is Lilly's lifetime hitting stats aren't at all impressive (I'm not going to look them up) but he sure did look like he had a hitter's attitude last year. He looked really mean every time he came up to bat. He may even have intimidated a pitcher or two!

And so it goes.

by Luigi on Mar 9, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions

no kidding

the point is, crisp is as good as Pie. just more expensive, older, yada yada yada

by wojo on Mar 9, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions

Then

there's really no point in acquiring an older, more expensive version of a player the Cubs already have.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 9, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions

my bad

I'll be more clear- crisp is BETTER than pie

by wojo on Mar 9, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions

Again...

... what is your evidence for this claim?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions

Clarity is not the problem.

Consistency is. crisp is as good as Pie; crisp is BETTER than pie. I trust you see that these are two different statements. 2005 Crisp is better than Pie is right now, sure, but 2006-2007 Crisp is not really an upgrade.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 9, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions

If only we had a time machine

Derrek Lee had a great 2005, too!

Not to mention how good Pie will be in 2009!

"Kosuke draws a walk" is music to my ears.

by cubbybear on Mar 9, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions

Sorry - not last year

MArquis did not hit well in 2007.

Wait 'til next year. And the next. And the Next. And the next after that too.

by TheEman on Mar 9, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions

darn...

Ive always liked Corey Patterson. When did he sign witht the Reds? Its too bad he signed not only in the division, but with Dusty. Now thats hes in Cincy, i cant really cheer for him... If hes looking to improve, he went to the wrong coach, he went to the one that messed him up to begin with.

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by LilLPLancer23 on Mar 9, 2008 10:21 AM CDT reply actions

Dusty said...

... "Patterson's still young".

Um, Dusty? Corey will be 29 in July. That's way past "young". That's getting to be past whatever his major league peak might be. Most likely, what you see is what you get -- a .298 lifetime OBA and 135 strikeouts per 162 games.

The Reds can have him.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions

Lieber....

... I can't say enough how impressed I was with him yesterday. He can't pitch shutout ball like that every time of course, but nonetheless, if this is the kind of performance he can bring every fifth day, then fantastic, to state the obvious. It seemed effortless, much like Maddux on a good day.

Crisp? Meh. Even if it means unloading Marquis and his contract, I'd still rather have Jason around than Crisp. I still wish the Cubs could get Reggie Willits or Juan Rivera from the Angels, stick him in center and leave him there, but increasingly, I can't figure out who the Cubs have the Angels would want, and that includes Pie. But Crisp? If he shows up, then you know the trade with Orioles is really dead because it always seems Jay Payton, whom I would find much more preferable as a fourth outfielder and is always mentioned in "that" trade, isn't coming.

Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Mar 9, 2008 10:40 AM CDT reply actions

I agree.

We have plenty of OFs; package Marquis for depth in the middle infield, if the B-Rob for Gallagher, Marshall and Cedeno thing doesn't work.

That said, I'm not too anxious to get rid of any of those three. Cedeno and Fontenot provide band-aids in middle IF, and we have Fuld and Murton available for OF relief if need be.

The one thing B-Rob would bring would be a higher OBP in the 1 or 2-hole, but is he really going to be slotted there, anyway?

"It's that wonderul relief that comes when they stop hitting you in the head with a hammer."

by lostinthevines on Mar 9, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions

OK I realize that I just contradicted myself;

I was thinking out loud; arguing with myself.

Carry on...

"It's that wonderul relief that comes when they stop hitting you in the head with a hammer."

by lostinthevines on Mar 9, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions

Why trade Marquis?

Give the guy a chance to make the rotation!! So far, he hasn't done that bad. If he doesn't prove himself then we can talk about trade. GEEEEZZZZ!!!

"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Mar 9, 2008 11:43 AM CDT reply actions

Seriously......

.... you don't think the Braves, Cardinals, Cubs and baseball in general has seen enough of Marquis to know what he can do? Or not do?

Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Mar 9, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions

Different thoughts

Lieber appears to be lightening in a bottle. If he remains healthy and pitches 31 GS the way he looked today he will generate innings and wins. So then the question is whether Dempster is the real deal also. That makes Marquis surplus and unless there is an injury the Cubs need to get something for surplus even if it is a salary dump.

The other surprise was watching Pie bat with confidence, he plays regularly the Cubs will be a much better team on the field and in the batting order. The other thing that was exciting was the idea of trying to play Fontenot at SS to see if he can in a pinch or occasion play SS. Cedeno vying for an IF-OF utility role is also exciting.

I can see the Cubs not making a trade until June or July for a 4th OF'er and going with the team they got minus Marquis.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Mar 9, 2008 12:39 PM CDT reply actions

Lieber was good yesterday.....

BUT, AZ wasn't exactly going w/ their 'A' lineup either.

Yes, I was encouraged by his start, but lets not get too excited either.

BELIEVE!

by cubbie08 on Mar 9, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions

Am I the only one

that doesnt fully understand this Marshall situation. Since he's not going to be in the rotation, ( doesnt seem like he was ever given a fair chance) why not try him out in relief as the second lefty with eyre. Marshall has always seemed pretty poised and could probably handle the switch. And it goes without saying that he would be better than Ohman was.

by JJDiesel21 on Mar 9, 2008 12:56 PM CDT reply actions

Two words.

Carmen Pignatiello.

Well, more than two words. Marshall's wasted as the 2nd lefty in the pen. If he's not in the Cub rotation, he should be in the rotation at Iowa.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions

Agreed! Even ONE

word: "Piggy".

Wait 'til next year. And the next. And the Next. And the next after that too.

by TheEman on Mar 9, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions

Regarding Lieber's start yesterday

I was just as impressed as everyone else. He pitched really well. And while I hate to kill the optimism, we have to remember that the majority of hitters he faced aren't major league starters. My point is, he pitched well -- but he wasn't facing quality hitters.

by kanderber on Mar 9, 2008 1:17 PM CDT reply actions

I like Fontenot...

a lot. But I wonder if he has the arm for SS. I am not a Cedeno fan...at all. I'd prefer to see him bundled in a trade for B-Rob. I bet Marshall is back up later in the season anyway, so it won't hurt him to go down. And I'd like to see Dempster pitch more before the Cubs move Marquis.

by teacher tom on Mar 9, 2008 1:18 PM CDT reply actions

Fontenot barely has the arm

for 2B. I was really unimpressed with his arm yesterday. Even the throw to nail Ojeda at the plate was high and up the line.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 9, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions

Anyone else see Fontenot's

impression of Khalil Greene? I think he heard the rumors over the winter and grew his hair out to try and fool Piniella. Piniella's gettin' up there in age, so you never know, it might work. I'll guess we'll know if we see Fontenot starting at SS on opening day.

"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07

by RynoHoF on Mar 9, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions

OMG

I was wondering if anyone else had noticed this; I had to look twice!

by NWIowaCubFan on Mar 9, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions

I don't think the idea is that...

...Fontenot replaces Theriot at short. It's to make him a little more versatile for when Lou wants to do some switching around in the late innings or play some matchups. I'm not a huge fan of Fontenot's defense, but for a few innings now and again it wouldn't end the world.

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by cwyers on Mar 9, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions

Is there a lineup posted for today yet?

Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Mar 9, 2008 1:53 PM CDT reply actions

Not yet.

Remember, the game is at 3:05 Central today, not 2:05.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions

has the lottery for the bullpen and dugout box

seats already happened?

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Mar 9, 2008 2:06 PM CDT reply actions

You are confusing two things

There is an AUCTION for the newest seats, under CBOE auction at Cubs.com - you need to come up with very serious money to even place a bid.

There are other seats going on sale next week.

Wait 'til next year. And the next. And the Next. And the next after that too.

by TheEman on Mar 9, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions

Lineups

Cubs
Soriano, LF
Patterson, 2B
Hoffpauir, 1B
Ward, DH
Murton, RF
Soto, C
Cintron, 3B
Pie, CF
A. Blanco, SS
Dempster, P

Royals
DeJesus, CF
Grudzielanek, 2B
Gload, 1B
Guillen, RF
Gordon, 3B
Butler, DH
Teahen, LF
Buck, C
Pena, SS
Tomko, P

by Bruce Miles on Mar 9, 2008 2:18 PM CDT reply actions

This is very different...

...from what Lou said yesterday during the telecast; Fontenot was supposed to be at short and Cedeno in center field. No idea if it means anything, just pointing it out.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 9, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions

Thanks Bruce

Just curious, can Cintron play SS and 2B also?

by cubswin14 on Mar 9, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions

Cintron can play all the infield positions.

Here's his gamelog. He's mostly played shortstop, but he fills in at second and third.

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by cwyers on Mar 9, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions

woof

not exactly a thrilling lineup there. I guess the kids need the work and the vets deserve a day off. But what does it say that Pie stills hits no higher than 7 in that lineup? Why wouldn't Lou at least move him up to 2 to get him some better protection and more ABs?

"All We Are Saying, Is Give Pie(ace) a Chance" -- John Lennon

by Orval Overall on Mar 9, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm guessing...

... because that's probably where he's going to be hitting when the season starts.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions

I thought that was 8?

n/t

"All We Are Saying, Is Give Pie(ace) a Chance" -- John Lennon

by Orval Overall on Mar 9, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions

If you'll allow me to go on a short rant here...

...and I'll try and answer that question amid the idle speculation. I'm just musing outloud here, so take everything with a grain of salt.

But my gut feeling is that the Cubs as an organization are too attached to the notion of filling certain "roles" on a ballclub that I'm not really sure exist. So instead of taking what they have and seeing the best way to to make it all work, they come up with an idea of how they think things should work and try to fit the parts on hand to that notion.

The Cubs have attatched themselves to the idea that they need a left-handed hitter at the top of the order who does certain things well: put the ball in play a lot, steal bases, and be in front of the big boppers to drive in some runs. Well, when you limit your conception of what it is you need like that, you limit your options and you force yourself into a corner.

So the Cubs look at Pie and, instead of seeing him for what he is (a very good defensive player who has very nice doubles power and not a lot of plate discipline; his hitting style is very much Soriano's), they see what he isn't.

It's stupid and it's frustrating to watch at times, but thats Cubs baseball.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 9, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions

Re:

a left-handed hitter at the top of the order who does certain things well: put the ball in play a lot, steal bases, and be in front of the big boppers to drive in some runs

Doesn't Dome fit this bill?

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 9, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions

You had your rant

so, you're entitled to your own speculation as we all are.

The fact is that we really do not know if Pie's "potential" will pan out.

I hope it does.

But management just wants to win now and the way they are choosing going about it under the circumstances, is at least showing some effort.

Imo, adding Brian Roberts to this team would have made the TEAM better, deeper, and speedier, which will be really an advantage in the home part of the schedule during April and May (he looks out to the snow falling outside his window now).

However, I don't think Hendry was quite prepared for dealing with a stubborn former personal injury attorney who owns a BAltimore baseball team - when he thought he was dealing with his former boss.

Without a doubt, it has screwed up Hendry's best laid plan. And between Lou and Hendry, they aren't completely sold on young Pie. Yet. We'll all see in the moths to come.

My $.02

Wait 'til next year. And the next. And the Next. And the next after that too.

by TheEman on Mar 9, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions

Lou Says...

DeRo will be playing tomorrow

by berselius on Mar 9, 2008 2:47 PM CDT reply actions

Man! I wish

there was a spot for Hoff-POWER.

1-0 Cubs. DWARD w/rbi

Wait 'til next year. And the next. And the Next. And the next after that too.

by TheEman on Mar 9, 2008 3:15 PM CDT reply actions

I was just going to say

why isn't Hendry trying harder to include Hoffpauer in a trade scenario? The kid can hit, and has absolutely no place on this team.

I'd like him to get a chance and to bring us something in return.

MMMMM...Nutrisystem!

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 9, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions

How do we know he isn't?

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions

I suppose we don't.

I just never hear anything about him being discussed.

MMMMM...Nutrisystem!

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 9, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions

There is.

With an AL team. Maybe someone will trade for him.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions

6-3 put out

I like Blanco's arm.

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by LilLPLancer23 on Mar 9, 2008 3:19 PM CDT reply actions

is pie

wearing #74? did i see that right?

by china423 on Mar 9, 2008 3:19 PM CDT reply actions

Nice inning for Dempster.

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 3:19 PM CDT reply actions

Why is Pie wearing #74?

Anyone?

MMMMM...Nutrisystem!

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 9, 2008 3:20 PM CDT reply actions

ha!

as you can see I posted this at the same time. Another reason might be that somebody was supposed to send him his shirts in the mail, but the PO messed it up =)

by wojo on Mar 9, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions

I wonder

why Pie is wearing #74. I guess his other jersey was ruined in the wash.

by wojo on Mar 9, 2008 3:20 PM CDT reply actions

I'm guessing...

... the equipment people didn't pack the #17 shirt, so he's wearing whatever they had.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions

couple random comments

just bought mlb.tv today, so pepsi's making a big push huh. i completely missed the ball on community projections this year but i think dempster is gonna put up some decent numbers

by lilkimmer77 on Mar 9, 2008 3:21 PM CDT reply actions

Good pitch count

Six pitches, four strikes for Demp

by Bruce Miles on Mar 9, 2008 3:21 PM CDT reply actions

Alex Cintron...

... just graduated from the Ronny Cedeno School of Baserunning.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 3:22 PM CDT reply actions

Al--

I thought you were in Phoenix! Or are you posting from the Surprise bleachers?

GEAUX THERIOT!

by Littlerock Rynofan on Mar 9, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions

LOL

No, no laptop in the bleachers. I don't leave for AZ till Wednesday. Will be at games starting Thursday.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions

So at Wrigley,

they let you bring in your laptop to the bleachers, right?

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by LilLPLancer23 on Mar 9, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions

dempster motion

he's doing a weird flip thing with his glove when he goes into his motion. decided he was tipping pitches last year? or maybe just adding some distraction to his motion.

just looks odd.

by billywan on Mar 9, 2008 3:22 PM CDT reply actions

Helps him grip his splitter

So he does it most times anyway now so it's a good decoy.

by Bruce Miles on Mar 9, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions

interesting

thanks.

wonder if little things like that get in hitters' heads, or if they're just trying to pick up the ball. either way, he seems to be using the whole arsenal so far today, and in a pretty nice rhythm.

of course it helps when you're playing the royals...

by billywan on Mar 9, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions

YAY Pie!!!

by sue369 on Mar 9, 2008 3:23 PM CDT reply actions

At the hazards of offending folks ...

Pie's jersey is corrected to #20! And have I been that fucking out of touch with Cubbie gossip? I had no idea Dumpster is really going to be a starter!

So, who's the closer? Marmol or Woodie? Can't wait to see them all.

LRRF

GEAUX THERIOT!

by Littlerock Rynofan on Mar 9, 2008 3:24 PM CDT reply actions

So far

so good for Dempster.

by sue369 on Mar 9, 2008 3:29 PM CDT reply actions

WOW!

Demp is scaring me. Do we have a number 2 starter here? I knew he used to be solid but crap man.

THe is impressive today. I noticed that glove flip too.

MMMMM...Nutrisystem!

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 9, 2008 3:30 PM CDT reply actions

New Dempster

Small sample size and all, this is a different Dempster than the former closer. He's cleaned up his motion significantly, perhaps helped in large part to his weight loss and is much smoother to the plate. He also has much more movement at 89-91 than he does at 92-93.

He stands to not only be a very pleasant surprise in the rotation but a very valuable part of the ballclub.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Mar 9, 2008 3:32 PM CDT reply actions

Well said.

I agree. Maybe he was never a closer? Maybe that was the reason for some of his struggles in that role.

MMMMM...Nutrisystem!

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 9, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions

His tailing FB

moves very nicely. Gordon was totally locked up.

MMMMM...Nutrisystem!

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 9, 2008 3:35 PM CDT reply actions

Would like to see Sori run

even if he is caught. Need to know he is going to be able to. Anyone know if he is still nursing his leg?

MMMMM...Nutrisystem!

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 9, 2008 3:36 PM CDT reply actions

He showed some nice speed running to third...

...on that Patterson fly ball, at least.

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by cwyers on Mar 9, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions

Agreed.

MMMMM...Nutrisystem!

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 9, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions

kinda ridiculous to give E-Pat a single for that

by dogcatratcheese on Mar 9, 2008 3:38 PM CDT reply actions

Too bad we don't have the DH.

Ward can hit.

(And I hate the DH.)

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 3:41 PM CDT reply actions

Oh darn, it's 3-0 Cubbies

How terrible indeed!

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Mar 9, 2008 3:41 PM CDT reply actions

I'm crying on my cornflakes.

And someone feed the damn bird, will you? Nice to see Murton playing well, too.

GEAUX THERIOT!

by Littlerock Rynofan on Mar 9, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions

Nice hit by Matt.

by sue369 on Mar 9, 2008 3:42 PM CDT reply actions

BASES LOADED!

Let's kill the Royals (not literally)!

GEAUX THERIOT!

by Littlerock Rynofan on Mar 9, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions

Royals are...

...looking sloppy! Good for us.

So I jump ship in Hong Kong...

by Ryetronics on Mar 9, 2008 3:44 PM CDT reply actions

this is like watching a bloopers video

by dogcatratcheese on Mar 9, 2008 3:45 PM CDT reply actions

Bases loaded

from an error. WooHoo!!

by sue369 on Mar 9, 2008 3:45 PM CDT reply actions

Six - Zip.

Looks like the Camelback High Junior Varsity Band showed up to play ... in the Royals' unis.

Nice to see Gruzelzaniek, however.

GEAUX THERIOT!

by Littlerock Rynofan on Mar 9, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions

Do not speak ill of the 3-run homer, Len and Bob!

Do not disparage the wisdom imparted to us by the great Earl Weaver!

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 9, 2008 3:48 PM CDT reply actions

How about Pie working the count...?

n/t

"All We Are Saying, Is Give Pie(ace) a Chance" -- John Lennon

by Orval Overall on Mar 9, 2008 3:48 PM CDT reply actions

Draws the walk.

Bye, bye Tomko.

GEAUX THERIOT!

by Littlerock Rynofan on Mar 9, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions

Nice to see

by sue369 on Mar 9, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions

Come on Ryan.

by sue369 on Mar 9, 2008 3:58 PM CDT reply actions

AN UPDATE:

The brother was released from the hospital. Thanks to Len, he's cured.

GEAUX THERIOT!

by Littlerock Rynofan on Mar 9, 2008 3:59 PM CDT reply actions

Great news!

Glad you and your family heard Len's announcement.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions

Ward

Wow, he's a monster this spring.

Perhaps he has some trade value as a DH for some team we're working with? He seems to be able to help a team out more instantly than perhaps a prospect?

by ak123 on Mar 9, 2008 4:00 PM CDT reply actions

He has value to the Cubs...

... as possibly the best pinch hitter in the NL, and can start occasionally in the OF or 1B. I'd keep him.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions

Absolutely agree

But Al, which is has more value:

Occassionaly hitting on the Cubs vs. getting a missing piece for the Cubs lineup without having to send 2 prospects (perhaps only 1).

by ak123 on Mar 9, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions

You gotta hold onto Ward.

No reason at all to let him go. He is clearly one of (if not the) best PH in the NL as Al said.

We can trade prospects, we got plenty of em.

Anyone think Dempster looks like Louie CK (the comedian)?

MMMMM...Nutrisystem!

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 9, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions

Dempster looks like Louie CK...

Totally, only slimmer.

So I jumped ship in Hong Kong...

by Ryetronics on Mar 9, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions

Definitely slimmer!

Anyone able to post a pic of both?

MMMMM...Nutrisystem!

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 9, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions

if we trade Ward,

then that creates a missing piece

by dogcatratcheese on Mar 9, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions

There aren't as many DH openings...

...as you think. If there's a team that has a need due to injury, and they match up well with the Cubs, then maybe Ward can be dealt and Hoffpaiur or Kroeger takes his spot. But right now, there's not a market for a guy who can only DH or play platoon 1B.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 9, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions

or........

maybe he could help the cubs out, as a great bat off the bench, and a backup at 1st base and right field

by dogcatratcheese on Mar 9, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions

Two innings

well pitched, and 3rd inning, can't find the plate.

This is the previous MO of Ryan Dempster as a starter for the Cubs.

2 BB, hit batter...

Wait 'til next year. And the next. And the Next. And the next after that too.

by TheEman on Mar 9, 2008 4:03 PM CDT reply actions

Allright!

Redemption!

Way to work out of it...

Wait 'til next year. And the next. And the Next. And the next after that too.

by TheEman on Mar 9, 2008 4:04 PM CDT reply actions

ReDemption, surely

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 9, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions

7-1 on the wild pitch

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Mar 9, 2008 4:11 PM CDT reply actions

The Royals

are laughably bad.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 9, 2008 4:11 PM CDT reply actions

WARD

is on fire!!

So I jumped ship in Hong Kong...

by Ryetronics on Mar 9, 2008 4:11 PM CDT reply actions

Hey Ward

Save some for the season!!!!!!!!

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Mar 9, 2008 4:11 PM CDT reply actions

What a strike

to the plate by Guillen.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 9, 2008 4:12 PM CDT reply actions

Ward is on fire.

by sue369 on Mar 9, 2008 4:12 PM CDT reply actions

good god

daryle ward absolutely crushes the ball (yes, i know i'm stating the obvious)

by dogcatratcheese on Mar 9, 2008 4:12 PM CDT reply actions

Funny to see sucha round guy

with SUCH a quick bat. Man he gets it through the strike zone fast!

MMMMM...Nutrisystem!

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 9, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions

Are those...

scouts sitting behind the plate? One's in a blue shirt, one in white, keep writing on a pad after every pitch.

So I jumped ship in Hong Kong...

by Ryetronics on Mar 9, 2008 4:12 PM CDT reply actions

Probably.

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Talent scouts.

They want to cast Theriot and Fontenot in the next LOTR movie as hobbits.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 9, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions

Maybe this is just my mancrush talking...

...but I've been really pleased with E-Patt so far this game. Nice defense, decent hitting, some good baserunning.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 9, 2008 4:18 PM CDT reply actions

Was going to say the same thing...

he made a couple of solid plays at 2B, and had a nice hit. Good day for him.

by SouthernCub on Mar 9, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions

Don't know if it meant anything

but Demp didn't seem to be flipping the glove on his windup last inning. Maybe due to being in the stretch? Seems back to the other form now though and he is flipping again.

MMMMM...Nutrisystem!

by Kinky Reggae on Mar 9, 2008 4:18 PM CDT reply actions

Do teams only have one uniform version in ST?

That's the only explanation I can come up with for both teams wearing blue today. Very hard on the eyes... ...and brain.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 9, 2008 4:20 PM CDT reply actions

The Cubs...

... wear the blue tops during ST road games, and pinstripes at home.

Most teams, though, wear their "alternate" or BP tops for ALL ST games, which is why it looks so stupid today.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions

Just noticed Pie's hands...

when he's got the more compact stroke going, he keeps his bottom hand up and off the knob of the bat; when the bad habits come back and the longer swing is in effect, his bottom hand is lower so that his pinkie finger is on or below the knob. Maybe he ought to start taping the knob up like Sammy used to do to remind himself.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 9, 2008 4:25 PM CDT reply actions

Wow.

Kerry hitting 98 on the gun.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 9, 2008 4:28 PM CDT reply actions

98mph?

i know we had this conversation about gun accuracy yesterday, but if that's right, wow.

by dogcatratcheese on Mar 9, 2008 4:28 PM CDT reply actions

not sure I believe it isn't inflated...

... but he sure did make that last batter look silly.

"All We Are Saying, Is Give Pie(ace) a Chance" -- John Lennon

by Orval Overall on Mar 9, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions

He's throwing 98mph in camp.

I don't know if that particular pitch was or not, but he's got that sort of speed in him this spring.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 9, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions

Oh wow.

Kerry just totally dismantled that last batter with a high heater. That was filthy.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 9, 2008 4:32 PM CDT reply actions

Glad I picked up KW

in my fantasy draft today.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 9, 2008 4:32 PM CDT reply actions

i tried to do that

but I lost track of him. That should prove to be a good pick up for you.

AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Mar 9, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Kerry

Looked very dominant. Pena just wanted to get out of the box as fast as possible.

by okiecubbie on Mar 9, 2008 4:32 PM CDT reply actions

He's dirty

He looked downright dirty (in a good way) out there.

We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.

by puckishcubsfan on Mar 9, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Kerry is

looking great today.

by sue369 on Mar 9, 2008 4:33 PM CDT reply actions

Oh darn, a Triple!!!

8-1 Cubbies 8-1!

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Mar 9, 2008 4:40 PM CDT reply actions

Big Blue Machine

strikes again!

by PrincetonCubs on Mar 9, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions

Good for Haufpauir!!

And Eric can flat out run.

by sue369 on Mar 9, 2008 4:41 PM CDT reply actions

Perfect on the day

Great job, Ward!

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Mar 9, 2008 4:42 PM CDT reply actions

Holy crap Ward.

by sue369 on Mar 9, 2008 4:42 PM CDT reply actions

Carmen Pignatiello

Did Len say he was from Aurora,Il cuz if he is I may have a new favorite cub

I can't believe I'm batting 9th again -Ted Lily

by NIUcubbie on Mar 9, 2008 4:48 PM CDT reply actions

Ayup.

Local boy.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 9, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions

Went to Providence Catholic HS in New Lenox

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions

I knew this

but not that he was from Aurora. Gives Aurora people someone to be proud of in addition to tom skilling of course

I can't believe I'm batting 9th again -Ted Lily

by NIUcubbie on Mar 9, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions

Yes

Yes he is or at least he's from the suburbs. I worked with his brother for awhile. heard some stuff second hand.

We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.

by puckishcubsfan on Mar 9, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions

Pie

IF this kid can cut down on his Ks we might have something pretty special here.

I fear us giving up on him. I have a feeling patience will pay off with him.

Hendry has held onto guys too long that is true. But he's held on to some other guys and let them develop too including 2/5ths of our rotation especially our ace.

We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.

by puckishcubsfan on Mar 9, 2008 4:49 PM CDT reply actions

He's having a very solid spring...

Small sample size caveat, of course, but he's currently at .296/.387/.593 so far this spring.

by SouthernCub on Mar 9, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions

Another nice play by E-Patt

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 9, 2008 4:50 PM CDT reply actions

Slaughter rule should be instituted today...

It's looking ugly.

by cublessinmilwaukee on Mar 9, 2008 4:56 PM CDT reply actions

Patterson, unlike Pie, actually has...

...pretty good numbers against lefties in the minors, despite what Bob is saying about Patterson being limited to a platoon role.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 9, 2008 4:59 PM CDT reply actions

I interpreted Bob differently...

it sounded to me like Brenly was saying that the Cubs are doing the right thing by letting Patterson get a look against LHP, because he's been an everyday player in the minors and it didn't make a difference to him down there.

by SouthernCub on Mar 9, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions

You're probably right.

I'm technically working right now, so my attention is drifting in and out.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 9, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions

In either case...

I agree with you (and I think Bob). Patterson isn't a platoon player.

by SouthernCub on Mar 9, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Patterson...

looked just like his brother striking out there. Same reaction after missing the swing, same posture walking back to the dugout. Deja vu!

So I jumped ship in Hong Kong...

by Ryetronics on Mar 9, 2008 5:00 PM CDT reply actions

Alright everybody

Get outta your seats!! Let me hear ya!

A one, A two, A three...

Take me out to the Ballgame...
Take me out to the crowd...
Buy me some peanuts and cracker jack...
I don't care if I ever get back...
For it's root root root for the CUBBIES...
If they don't win, it's a shame...
For it's 1! 2! 3! strikes you're out...
At the ole ball game!

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Mar 9, 2008 5:02 PM CDT reply actions

sue

you happy to see Murton play? that red hair was blazin!

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 9, 2008 5:07 PM CDT reply actions

I'm glad

I got to see him play today. He's been doing OK.

by sue369 on Mar 9, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions

pie is beginning

to show is value..

Live is boring until March 31st strolls by..

by Chanman25 on Mar 9, 2008 5:08 PM CDT reply actions

11-1

Can we just go ahead and skip the 9th?

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Mar 9, 2008 5:22 PM CDT reply actions

I think Lou wants Marmol to work the ninth.

See how he handles the pressure of having the bases empty, protecting a 10-run lead against the Royals farmhands.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 9, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions

Go Felix!

get that confidence flowing

by PrincetonCubs on Mar 9, 2008 5:22 PM CDT reply actions

wow.

I'm glad I don't live in Kansas.

I think Pie is squashing a LOT of doubts.

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 9, 2008 5:22 PM CDT reply actions

He's looking

good isn't he?

by sue369 on Mar 9, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions

Uh-oh! Neil Cotts!

We could still blow it!

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 9, 2008 5:26 PM CDT reply actions

Nah.

Even Cotts couldn't blow THIS lead.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions

we'd hope...

but anything's possible. :P

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 9, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions

What's Pie's line now?

I'm really rooting for him to win the full job job in center, and I'm rooting for E-Pat to win a job on the bench.

"Losing is my only fear"

by Unique on Mar 9, 2008 5:34 PM CDT reply actions

.321/.406/.531

Can we stop the Coco Crisp talk now?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions

I never understood why it was

even a topic of discussion. Pie is already superior to Crisp now, and he hasn't even tapped into his full potential.

"Losing is my only fear"

by Unique on Mar 9, 2008 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions

Miscalculated.

It should read .321/.448/.607.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 9, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions

even better!

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 9, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions

Pie had a great day.

Good for the young man!

Hopefully Spring Training is not "meaningless" for Pie.

Wait 'til next year. And the next. And the Next. And the next after that too.

by TheEman on Mar 9, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions

Doubtful that it's meaningless for Pie...

spring stats tend to be meaningless for veterans. But for a kid who has succeeded at every level of the minors but struggled in his first year in the big leagues, a monster spring could do wonders for his confidence.

by SouthernCub on Mar 9, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions

You had the OBP right the first time...

He's had 32 PA, with 4 walks. So he's 13/32 in terms of OBP, which is .406.

by SouthernCub on Mar 9, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions

E-PAT BLASTS IT!

13-1!!!

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Mar 9, 2008 5:35 PM CDT reply actions

ok, that HR by Patterson

was just MEAN... poor Royals, gettin' beat up on... :P

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 9, 2008 5:36 PM CDT reply actions

Trade E-Patt tonight!

(maybe the Royals will take him...)

by PrincetonCubs on Mar 9, 2008 5:36 PM CDT reply actions

I would not trade E-Pat for

anything stupid. He is a special talent -- I would only trade him in a package for something big.

"Losing is my only fear"

by Unique on Mar 9, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions

"Special" might be a bit strong...

...but I'm not saying trade him for nothing, just that his recent string of performances may have put his value higher than it was previously. I don't think he's going to be reeling in any huge fish for us, though

by PrincetonCubs on Mar 9, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions

If you think he's showing his true talent level...

...why trade him? If you think this is just a flukey run, why do you think that professional baseball scouts are so much dumber than you are?

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 9, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions

oy

this was just a simple comment made in jest. But I think historical spring training trades have shown that scouts and management are reactive (perhaps overly so) to spring performance.

Scout x thinks E-Patt is a good prospect. But he has a rough showing in the show in 07, and gets drummed back to the minors because of an attitude problem. Scout x second-guesses his judgement over the winter, tells mgmt to lower their estimates in a trade, deal doesn't happen.

Spring comes around, E-Patt hits well, Piniella smiles at him, teammates give him highfives, the sun shines. Scout x says, well, maybe this is the real E-Patt. His mgmt readjusts their assessment, the deal that hasn't happened (i.e. Roberts) happens.

I'm no baseball insider, but I assume this isn't totally implausible. It all depends on how much you believe in E-Patt...I personally don't, and would rather have someone like Roberts. YMMV.

by PrincetonCubs on Mar 9, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions

No,

he wouldn't bring us anything special in return, but we could package him. But the bottom line is -- I wouldn't trade him. I've been fond of him since we drafted him. I don't care anything about who his brother is -- the guy is a baseball player.

"Losing is my only fear"

by Unique on Mar 9, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions