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NEW YORK -- Usually, when I have a meeting like the one I attended last night and it's at the same time as the game (7 pm EDT), I don't get to see any baseball -- the meetings usually run three to three and a half hours, and most of the time, as you know, that's more than enough time to finish a baseball game.

And when I turned on my phone (I turned it off during the meeting, lest everyone there be regaled by "Go Cubs Go", my ringtone) during a break to check the score, it said the Cubs were leading 2-0 in the top of the 8th.

"Great!" I thought, and then...

Well, I got to see the last four innings, getting back to my hotel room during the 12th, and all I can say is, I'm glad the Cubs won, defeating the Pirates 6-4 in 15 innings. If we're all exhausted from the second extra-inning game in a row (4:47 of game time on Monday, 4:20 last night), imagine how the players feel! Not to mention the fans in Pittsburgh: announced attendance was 9,735. The TV people kept away from most "crowd" shots late in the game, but in the couple I saw, it looked like there couldn't have been more than a few hundred left when the game ended.

They'll have to be very, very happy to get out of Pittsburgh. These always feel better, of course, no matter how badly the game was played, when you win.

There was plenty of good to go around from last night. Ryan Dempster threw seven outstanding innings. Ask yourself this: before spring training started, did you ever think you'd be screaming at Lou, "Don't take Dempster out!!!"?

Yeah, me either.

Kerry Wood... not so much. He gave up a homer to the first batter he faced, Jason Bay, tying the game. Does this mean Wood can't be a closer? Of course not. This kind of thing happens. However, it can't be happening too much more often; if it does, Lou may have to consider a change. We're not nearly at that point yet, though.

What I'm more concerned about is the failure to put the game away a couple of times in extra innings. The Cubs left RISP in the 11th and 13th and had a two-run lead in the 14th on Aramis Ramirez' HR before they coughed it up with a mirror-image HR off the lefthanded bat of Adam LaRoche.

Finally, Felix Pie came through with a two-run single in the 15th and Sean Marshall, the last available player (other than Ted Lilly and Rich Hill, Monday's and Thursday's starters, and Jason Marquis, who was back in his hotel room, sick) who hadn't appeared in the game, shut the door for his first major league save.

Can we stop overreacting to some players' bad starts now? The Cubs have played eight games. If I believe some of what I read, Felix Pie is absolutely worthless and has to be sent back to the minor leagues never to return.

You can't judge that off of eight games, only four of which Pie started. With Matt Morris, a righthander who the Cubs have pounded the last couple of years, starting tonight, Pie should be back in the starting lineup. I say you've got to give him at least a couple of months before ANY thoughts of a replacement (whether it's Reed Johnson, who probably shouldn't be an everyday player anyway, or someone to be acquired) be entertained. Lou Piniella noticed that Pie did the right thing last night:

"He stayed right on the pitch, and lined it over short and that's what he has to do to be a big league everyday player," Piniella said.

As I noted in the brief post last night, the last time the Cubs won back-to-back extra inning games on the road was June 20 and June 21, 1989, also at Pittsburgh. Does the coincidence mean anything? Of course it doesn't, but that Cubs team did win the NL East. They also played another long extra-inning game in Pittsburgh later that year -- 18 innings on August 6. They lost that one, but the next day moved into first place to stay.

These two games, long and frustrating though they were, have to be seen as a good sign... because the Cubs won both of them. Previous editions of our favorite team would likely have found a way to lose both of these games. Instead, they found a way to win both of them. A sweep would be sweet. I'll have a game thread up later this afternoon. (Wish me luck getting home in the rain today.)

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At least it's a win

I agree it's too early to think Wood can't be the closer. A little disappointing that he's given up runs in two appearances this early in the season but I think he'll do just fine. Let's break out the brooms tonight as we all get a chance to watch this game on WGN!

by cubbiefanTN on Apr 10, 2008 7:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you Al!

I greatly appreciate the comments on Pie. Theriot has done his job being a "scrapper" and scoring runs in these past two games as well. ARam had a good game last night but D-Lee didn't. Dempster did.. Marmol didn't (looked a little out of sorts for some reason) That's the way these things go as you have said time and again. Let's see how the first couple of months go with our guys and then make adjustments. I don't have to tell Lou that. But we have to remind the fans to have some patience. Heck, I'm even willing to give Ronnie C a chance. Let's give our scappers our full support!

I want my Macias!

by wombat on Apr 10, 2008 7:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

DLee

did not contribute with his stick, but he sure did with his glove. So to say he did not have a good game is a half truth. At least he contributed in the field.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Apr 10, 2008 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Playing the game one contributes to a win without offense---8th game thoughts

Last year in April and May the Cubs were a bad team, their roster was not set, their lineup was in flux and their bullpen. By August they developed into a team with resilience with one of the better rotations and bullpen in the league.

Resilience has shown up this year already with the opening day, last week's Friday game and these two games in Pittsburgh. Team play is more important than individual play.

Lee appears to be back to the level he was in 2005 when he moved up to a super star status as a five-tool player. I think Fukudome has as much to do with this as anything. That said I think the Cubs are two players short of really having a WS contender----

Someone like Gary Matthews Jr. who is being wasted as a DH parttime LF/RF'er in LAA. Gary would look real good here in CF again. The other issue is a force at SS. I think Cubs might be able to move DeRosa (whom I like) to LAA for GMJr and then trade for Vizquel from SF and move Theriot/Fontenot at 2B and have a stronger lineup and better defense.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Apr 10, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would you do that?

Point one. The Cubs HAVE two centerfielders. Matthews Jr. has an albatross of a contract. I'm sure the Angels would LOVE to dump it on Jim Hendry, but why would you want the Cubs to take that on, when they may need to spend that money on other players later in the year?

Omar Vizquel. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Did I mention NO re: Vizquel? Ugh.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 10, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Omar Vizquel = old and bad (although used to be good)

Matthews jr. = not too old, but still not worth the money. Pie/Johnson can get the job done.

by gwood on Apr 10, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of all the shortstops in the majors...

...he had to pick one of the very few that are worse than Ryan Theriot, and one that's injured to boot!

And I'm not convinced that Matthews is an upgrade over our current options, while I am wholly convinced that his contract is a monsterous waste. Pass.

by cwyers on Apr 10, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You've GOT to be kidding...

The Angels found out in a hurry that Matthews had a carrer year before he signed with them.

Omar is 41 years old and a shadow of his old self.....

by crazymountain on Apr 10, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way

Besides his contract and other issues, we don't need Matthews Jr. I'm ok with Pie/Johnson...Omar Vizquel? You're kidding right? 41 year old shortstop? No thanks.

"I lost it in the sun"

by Bump Bailey on Apr 10, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point in their respective careers

DeRo is a better SS than Vizquel, both offensively and defensively. (Oh, BTW, DeRo is also healthy, Vizquel is not.)

If GMJ were making $5M and only had 1-2 years left, I would agree with you that he would be an upgrade. At 4/$40M???? No frickin' way.

Even if the Angels trade GMJ, they probably don't want DeRo. (They passed on him as a FA.) They either want a power-hitting 3B (DeRo doesn't have enough power, especially in that yard), or they want to keep Figgins there.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Apr 10, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good luck getting home

I also thank you for the concise comments about giving the players Lou has chosen a real chance to show their stuff. It seems that a 162 game season is still not understood by many

by carolinacub on Apr 10, 2008 7:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The last paragraph says it all

This team has won 2 of 3 extra inning games. Previous Cub teams (including last year's pre-June squad) would likely not have won.

Great work team, bring out the brooms!

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on Apr 10, 2008 8:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fighting back

what I really like about the team this year is the ability ti fight back and claim the win after blowing some leads. i agree with Al, prior squads would have let the wind out their sales and admitted defeat. Not all wins are easy, but they all count the same. As a friend of mine says about huis golf scores: there are no pictures on the scorecard.

by sdurst on Apr 10, 2008 8:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Omen

Al is dead on observing, "Previous editions of our favorite team would likely have found a way to lose both of these games."

Good teams find ways to win these games, bad teams lose them.

Let's take this as a positive indicator -- and go get the sweep tonight !!!!

If It Takes Forever ....

by wrigley1 on Apr 10, 2008 8:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Right

If they are winning ugly imagine what theyll be like when it starts to gel a little more.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

tomorrow's game (my time)

There will be 2 stations televise Cubs@Pirates game tomorrow morning (Japan time), one is BS Fuji in HD and the other one is Sky PerfecTV, and I got a day off.
I will join the game thread if I won't have a lazy morning.... wanna see Dome hit more than a bloop single...

by dragonsfanatic on Apr 10, 2008 8:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So do the rest of us!

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 10, 2008 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see more of that type

of hitting from Felix, but I think he's still a bit too enamored of his power. Hopefully, Lou and Gerald Perry can stay on him and get him to stay within himself.

Nice to see Rammy square one up. He's looked hurt for the first few games, but he really had some good swings last night.

Soriano's still looking rough at the plate, but his arm is incredible. I don't understand why teams continue to challenge him. He and Dome are going to save the Cubs a lot of runs this year.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 10, 2008 8:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He has shown flashes...

...of a quick bat. That ball he hit out but foul, he had an absolute lightning quick/short swing on that inside pitch. Then, he goes back to his long hesitant swing the very next pitch. When you do that, pitch recognition is usually the culprit.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 10, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing about Ramirez

That I cannot stand. Yes you hit a homerun RUN THE BASES.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Running the bases

I think part of him watching it for a few seconds and flipping the bat was in relief. Everyone knew he hadn't been hitting like himself for the first couple series, and I'm sure he knew it too. It was probably more like a "FINALLY, I GOT INTO ONE" thing more than anything.

by rambler19 on Apr 10, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

besides, wasn't it

pretty much a straight line-drive? I might want to stop and watch too. These guys aren't just players, they're also fans... :D

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 10, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"FINALLY, I GOT INTO ONE"

I dont believe that, hes not a rookie. Its not his 8 career game.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually reading his lips on the replay...

That's pretty much what he said, except not PG rated

by cubsonWGN4ever on Apr 10, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point is I DONT CARE

dont show anyone up, run the bases.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, ok.

players be put on notice -- no more relief may show on your faces when you finally break a slump.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 10, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When did I ever say anything about their faces?

Im talking about the couple of steps he walked while staring down the baseball. Honestly, where did I say anything about relief on their faces?

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still don't get what you're trying to say

It's not like he stared down the pitcher or even said anything directly to the pitcher. And it was probably 4-5 steps of walking before he started jogging. That's like saying closers shouldn't pump their fists and yell after they strike a guy out with bases loaded in the bottom of the 9th to win the game. It was (at the time) a huge home run in extra innings. If I hit a ball that good late in the game, i probably would've taken a look at it for a few seconds too. Baseball players aren't machines, they're human.

by rambler19 on Apr 10, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree to disagree

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um...

Closers shouldn't pump their fists and yell after they strike a guy out with the bases loaded in the bottom of the 9th to win the game??

Seriously...act like you've been there before.

by Shawon O Meter on Apr 10, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jose Valverde is lucky

He never gets any at bats, because hed be plunked on the first pitch.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

If you haven't been there before, you probably don't know what it's like to be in that situation and have the adrenaline flowing through you. Like I said, baseball players are human. I guess Z better stop pumping his fists and pointing to the sky after innings...

by rambler19 on Apr 10, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then I suppose...

...that you also probably don't know what it's like to be in that situation.

You didn't see these kind of antics 10-15 years ago...mainly because they'd be followed up w/ a 95mph fastball knocking you onto your backside when you or a teammate came up to bat. Now that the umps have cranked way back on being able to do that, the circus comes to town after a strikeout or a home run.

For the record, I've never been crazy about Z's antics, mainly because it drives me nuts when someone else does it.

by Shawon O Meter on Apr 10, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the last thing you said

Im forced not to be a hippocrat.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not in the MLB, no...

I was a closer in college. It's not even close to being on the same level as the MLB, but I can understand how pumped up you get to go out there and get those final 3 outs with the game on the line. It's a huge rush. I celebrated when I'd end the game, but it was never over the top...it's just hard not to do it.

I do agree with you on things being different than they were 15-20 years ago. Even in our semi-pro league, if you show up the other team, you might be wearing a fastball next AB. And we're all just playing to win....there is no other incentive. Unless things get pretty out of control, I don't think MLB umpires should intervene as much as they currently do. All you have to do is look back to that series in Atlanta where Lilly got tossed for hitting Renteria....it's ridiculous.

by rambler19 on Apr 10, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah

When I say I celebrated, maybe 50% of the time I did a fist pump or something, and that was it. Just depended on the situation.

by rambler19 on Apr 10, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I should expound...

...a bit. That quick show of emotions in big spots are completely natural, like Pie after his RBI single last night...like striking a guy out to end the game w/ the tying run on base.

There are PLENTY of other 'shows' that happen these days that *are* over the top: Soriano's slow-trot-and-gawk after some HR's last year (to which the opposing team (I forget who) *did* take exeption), Rammy's slow HR admiration. Am I wrong in recalling that Solomon Torres reacted w/ a fist pump after most of his STRIKES? Not strikeouts, mind you, but each strike? I'm also not crazy about LAA's closer Rodriguez...screaming like a madman on the mound after routine saves get recorded.

I'd be very interested to hear what Dome's take on the American hoopla is... >8)

Lilly's EJ? Yep...nuts. I wonder what Ozzy's tirade would rate on the Richter scale if that happened on the South Side...

BTW, Rambler...who'd you close for in college?

by Shawon O Meter on Apr 10, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tim Hudson and the Braves

took exception, but it was more that he hit 3 in 3 at bats IMO.

Remember it clearly, I spent most of the night as a groomsmen in the bar watching the game. Im obsessed.

I hate Torres, still angry he hit Sosa in the head.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll never

fault a pitcher for celebrating. I've been to tooo many stadiums that shoot off fireworks when a home team player hits a HR reguardless if that team is down by 5 or up by 5. Uncalled for. TOO much celebrating for the hitters. If a pitcher wants to pump a fist oir yell or whatever I'm all for it. Like I said, when a batter hits a walk off HR the entire team meets at the plate and celebrates. Why cant a pitcher get some glory?

SOMEONE SHOOT THAT DAMN PARROT!!!

by Keystone80435 on Apr 10, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not...

...picking specifically on pitchers. I think there's too much over-the-top stuff, in general.

Fireworks over the top? Yep...but more for the entertainment of the fans, and not so much about showing up the other player or mugging to get on that evening's SportsCenter.

by Shawon O Meter on Apr 10, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clarke College

Just a small D3 school in the midwest. That was a couple years back.

by rambler19 on Apr 10, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont see whay they cant...

Everytime you see a walk off home run against said closer you see the ENTIRE team waiting at home plate floowed by a celebration like the team just won the World Sieries. It's on Sports Center EEEEvry night.

SOMEONE SHOOT THAT DAMN PARROT!!!

by Keystone80435 on Apr 10, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have him watch some tape

of Fukudome's HR.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Apr 10, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or get

Kevin Costner to play catcher and scream at him to stop showing up the pitcher.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FYI,

Billy Williams being interviewed on WGN morning news right now.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 10, 2008 8:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kerry Wood

Wood didn't pitch badly last night, the pitch Bay hit got a little to much of the plate. Bay went with it, hit it hard and it barely got out to the opposite field. Wood then easily finished the inning.

by Imtrejo on Apr 10, 2008 8:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

Wood would probably say it was a bad pitch, but I thought it was just a good piece of hitting by Bay. Sometimes you get the bear; sometimes the bear gets you.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 10, 2008 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

On top of it, Wood fell behind to Bay who knew a fastball was coming. The other hitters that inning had no chance when Wood was able to mix his a filthy slider. He's still ideally suited to late-inning work and is just fine. Major league hitters are supposed to get hits once in awhile. After all, we're talking Jason Bay here not Luis Rivas.

Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Apr 10, 2008 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And, Woody came back and dominated the next 3 guys

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely...

...if you watch it again, it was a well placed pitch. Give credit where it's due... Bay is a good hitter.

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Apr 10, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good win, don't mind losing sleep for these kind of games

Wow, over 1800 posts counting all the overflow threads. That must be a one game record?

by LT on Apr 10, 2008 8:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nope.

The record was Monday, 2100+ posts.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 10, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you counting the thread that is still on the sidebar?

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Apr 10, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice on Marshall coming in

Seems that was a good move after all, huh?

by lamentir on Apr 10, 2008 8:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dempster Unspectacularly Good Guy to Have On Staff

While I don't expect Dempster to pitch as well the rest of the season as he as so far, he did prove himself to be an adequate, if not spectacular, closer, for the Cubs for a few years. He has been willing to take on a starting role this season. If he finishes the season with a winning record and an ERA below 4.50, I'll be happy. He wasn't the 1979 version of Bruce Sutter as a closer. He won't be the 1992 version of Greg Maddux as a starter. He's still better than the majority of pitchers in the big leagues, and I'm glad we have him.

by memphiscub on Apr 10, 2008 8:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

fwiw

I think 7 innings of shutout ball is pretty spectacular from a guy many people suggested couldn't pitch at all. :D

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 10, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good win

Liked your post Al.. I like how you preached patience with Pie. I think people tend to forget that the kid has an amazing glove and that he will take time to develop. Not everyone is Albert Pujols or Ryan Braun.... I liked Lous comment that if everyone else was hitting than Felix might get some more consistent ABS... Talk to yall later...

1 paper
1 presentation
1 long day

"Hey Chicago what do you say the Cubs are gonna win today"

by fischisgod on Apr 10, 2008 8:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wood

threw Bay 4 straight fast balls. He probably didn't want to walk the first guy. He needs to trust that nasty slider. They need to have that killer instinct tonight and get the sweep.

by Rick B on Apr 10, 2008 8:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree re: first pitch fastball.

Players are going to start sitting on that if that's the first pitch Wood always throws. He's going to have to start varying it.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 10, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only thing I'll disagree with is

they had many chances to put this game away in regulation. I sure hope they get a little better at this going forward. It's teams like this they have to improve on from last years' winning percentage. The Cubs seem to play up to (or in this case, down to) their opponents.

by blackhawk24 on Apr 10, 2008 8:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

EXACTLY!

They left too many guys on base in the first 9 innings and should have scored more than 2 runs. Duke was in trouble all day long. His command wasn't great yet the Cubs allowed him to last what, 7 innings? D. Lee had a rough night and he's entitled. Some of the other guys need to pick it up. A line-up with Soriano, Lee, Ramirez, Fukodome and Soto needs to score more runs than this.

Kerry should not have even been in this game and hopefully he realized that you don't serve Jason Bay a fat fastball with a one run lead.

DmL

by dmlichte on Apr 10, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wood should have been in the game

But Marmol should not (at least, when Lou put him in). I'm one of the biggest Marmol fans out there, but we need to make sure his arm doesn't fall off before the All Star Break. I think Wuertz (who's being quietly underrated by everyone, including the Cubs pitching staff apparently) should have come out for the 8th.

by berselius on Apr 10, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

and I think it is a shame to ignore Wuertz's value. I believe he was 1st or 2nd in the league in % of inherited runners scoring last year. Anyone know for sure? Anyway, I believe that he is, next to Marmol, our best set up man.

by crazymountain on Apr 10, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed!

Wuertz is more consistent than Howry

by gwood on Apr 10, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I Like Seeing...

... is the opportunities with RISP. Brenly mentioned something like 40 opportunities in the past two games? Wow!

I think last night, we were 3 of 16 at some point. That's 18.75%. What's a good percentage? I'd have to imagine something like 33% is good.

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Apr 10, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go cubs Go

How many of us at BCB have Go Cubs Go as a ring tone? I do and I know it annoys friends when it rings but it makes me feel good!

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Apr 10, 2008 9:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Where can I get it?

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 10, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have it as my ringtone.

I can post the ringtone mp3 file when I get home from work if you like.

by stellasiri on Apr 10, 2008 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That'd be great - thanks

What I really want is "Hey Hey Holy Mackeral"

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 10, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ask and ye shall receive

Here are two approximately 20 second-long ringtones in mp3 format. Let me know if you'd like me to post the entire original songs.
Go Cubs Go
Hey Hey Holy Mackeral

by stellasiri on Apr 10, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you going to post it here?

and if so... how do i download it to my phone? probably a lost cause for those of us with 2005 technology.

Hector Villanueva's Career Stolen Bases: 1

by IowaCubs- on Apr 10, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just posted the ringtones above.

As to getting it on your phone, it depends on what kind of phone you have. I use Bluetooth to transfer the file onto mine.

by stellasiri on Apr 10, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If anyone *doesn't* have "Go Cubs Go" as their ring tone

I will be rather surprised.

My current ringtone is the bridge of the song, with the a capella singing and clapping. I have a few different clips from the song cut to ringtone size, and change it every now and then.

If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. -- Dave Barry

by bluebythebook on Apr 10, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

forgot to add

Sometimes I use clips from "Men in Blue" as my ringtone, too.

If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. -- Dave Barry

by bluebythebook on Apr 10, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

geezz

I HAAATE that song! GO CUBS GO is the owrst song ever. now dont get me wrong. if I hear it 90 times I wont complain. But its the worst victory song ever. 1st off all the song is about "gonna win today" so why play it AFTER a win. And the song say the Cubs are only good enough to win the National League, not the Major league. blech!

SOMEONE SHOOT THAT DAMN PARROT!!!

by Keystone80435 on Apr 10, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha, wow nittpicking are we?

That's like the same as the "literal" argument Daver had. But to each their own. I actually love the song, like the lyrics, but love the fact that it brings us all together after W's. But come on that's like saying Don't Stop Believin' shouldn't have been the Sox song in '05 b/c they weren't all from "south Detroit." God I hate that song.

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on Apr 10, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey

i will gladly sing the song after every win. but i'd rather hear telletubbies haha

SOMEONE SHOOT THAT DAMN PARROT!!!

by Keystone80435 on Apr 10, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a reason it's National League

and not Major League. Well, I think there's a good reason at least.

"A Dying Cubs Fan's Last Request" contains the famous line about the Cubs being the doormat of the National League. Despite the tone of that song, and Dallas Green's aversion to it [and Goodman himself], Goodman was hired by WGN to write "Go Cubs Go" anyway. I think Goodman wrote it as NL instead of Major League as a sort of peace offering to the Cubs organization.

Also, "Go Cubs Go" wasn't conceived as a victory song. It was written to be the intro music to WGN game telecasts. Hence its... lack of victory song vibe.

You can read more about the song's creation here.

If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. -- Dave Barry

by bluebythebook on Apr 10, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good deal

thanks for the info. I always wondered why a "gonna win" song was a victory song.

SOMEONE SHOOT THAT DAMN PARROT!!!

by Keystone80435 on Apr 10, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no prob

And it's not like Goodman can complain about his song being 'misused' either. Unless he haunts the place or something. [I read a book called "Haunted Baseball" recently, and in the chapter about Wrigley someone claims that Goodman does indeed haunt the seats behind home plate -- yet no one else has actually claimed to have seen him. It's probably a story that evolved from the whole "Steve Goodman's ashes are buried under home plate!" urban legend.]

If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. -- Dave Barry

by bluebythebook on Apr 10, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't

have it. I have the Iowa Fight Song as my ring tone.

by sue369 on Apr 10, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

touche

I forgot about college fight songs being important to people.

If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. -- Dave Barry

by bluebythebook on Apr 10, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, be surprised then

because I have a [are you ready for this?] a phone ringing for my ring tone [gasp!]

I know, I know. Imagine that - a ring tone ring tone. How terribly quaint. Truly I am a plain-bellied Sneetch in the land full of stars upon thars...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Apr 10, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs

have always played up/down to their opponents. I remember as a kid being dumbfounded by this phenomena. The important thing here is that we actually won the last two games, something we'd never have seen in years past. I'll take the close games, the playing up/down to whomever we're facing that day, as long as we win, I couldn't care less.

Of course, I'll be a nervous wreck by June, but then it wouldn't be summer as a Cub fan if I wasn't, right?

"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Apr 10, 2008 9:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A win is a win.

I went to bed happy last night. But still, let's not forget we were playing Pittsburgh-the kind of team a post season contender is supposed to beat.
As for Kerry Wood, i've never been sold on him as a closer but, at the same time, I'm not going to jump off the cliff based on one bad sequence of pitches. He's been annointed and deserves a chance to adjust to the role before we start thinking about plan B.

by bluekoolaide on Apr 10, 2008 9:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

To me the most disconcerting thing

is the number LOB throughout the entire game - the inability of ever our "big guys" to drive in runs when they're 90 ans 180 feet away. Marmol and Wood should never have been in that position yesterday; when you throw strikes (at least Woody did), sometimes they get hit. A BB or hit batsman or solo HR shouldn't have been the difference maker last night.

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 10, 2008 9:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Al

"Can we stop overreacting to some players' bad starts now? The Cubs have played eight games. If I believe some of what I read, Felix Pie is absolutely worthless and has to be sent back to the minor leagues never to return."

Thanks Al. I get really sick of the "Score Heads". I even agreed with a friend last night to quit calling Dempster "Dumpster".

by Matty G on Apr 10, 2008 9:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good win

I agree, the LOB, has been a problem for the Cubs it seems since 1970. I don't know ,do they press, don't work counts, bad luck, who knows put they have to improve.
Couple observations: good to see Marshall up.
I have been a Pie so-so basher, glad to see him get a clutch hit, and him running down the line, smacking his hands was a great site. Would love for him to be successful.
Dempster was great, anyone else notice in his windup, his movement with his glove, sort of flapping his mitt, I don't recall that last year.
Lets win in nine tonight.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Apr 10, 2008 9:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's another thing -

I (and a lot of others) used to jump all over Corey Patterson for swinging at the first or second pitch. What the hell ever happened to working a count, especially for the 1 and 2 hitters? That's where Soriano kills us - swinging so freely @ low-and-away. Drives me nuts. And Theriot's guilty of it this year, too. There's a lot of pressure to get on base; I understand that. But you also gotta see what the SP is bringing that day for the benefit of the rest of the order.

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 10, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I noticed the twisting

flapping motion and I also noticed the dirt/substance on the back of his hat. I thought he might be tipping his pitches with that Joe Cocker delivery but he did it on each one. As for the hat, I couldn't see on TV whether he went to the hat to get whatever on his hand. I doubt that he was doctoring the ball because there are better places to hide "juice" than on the outside back of the hat!

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Apr 10, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Cocker!

ROTFLMAO!

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 10, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When is a win a win?

Man alive, we had a snowed in dish so I only got to see about 4 innings. However, in years past we would have lost the last two games....it is a good sign that we are winning the close ones.
And I agree with Al....there is a lot of Pie bashing. He needs a chance to play regularly through the season before any judgements can be made. Lets not forget that Reed is batting between Sori and DLee, seeing better pitches.
So, Woody gave one up? Better than walking folks, shows that he is throwing strikes. People always put a negative when someone beats our pitchers when the truth is that we play against other pros, folks with a lot of talent, no matter who they play for.

by crazymountain on Apr 10, 2008 9:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A win is a win, but...

The continuing inability to execute and manufacture runs is maddening. It doesn't matter if we add a strongly fundamental hitter to the mix in Kosuke...the problem STILL exists.

Ryan Dempster is a man on a mission.

Good to see Felix Pie finally do something. Lou was praiseworthy too. Pie needs to keep hitting the other way on ocassion. Go with the pitch and good things will happen.

Kerry Wood is not going to be shutdown closer. He may be a very good one, but every time he enters a game there is going to be nervousness. Just like in the days of him as a starter.

by MDBNIU on Apr 10, 2008 9:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dempster IS

a man on a mission.....wow, has he been GREAT!!!!!

by crazymountain on Apr 10, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to disagree on one thing

I think Kerry will be a shut down closer. Granted, the sample size it small, but unlike Dempster (as a closer), he hasn't been walking batters. If you take out the first game (which I will because I think it was an aberration, it wasn't a save situation, it was Wood's first appearance as a closer, his first appearance of the year, etc.) Wood has allowed only two base runners (one being the home run to Bay last night) in the 4 innings he has pitched and has struck out 5 batters. Wood certainly has the stuff to be a shut down closer.

by gwood on Apr 10, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dempster

Dempster won't be this good all season so stop fooling yourselves. We all know this anyway. Look, he's a good pitcher but he was a reliever for the past few seasons and his IP won't hold up. There will be a point where he gets to 150 innings (maybe even less) where his effectiveness will plummit. Oh, he'll be able to go 3-4 innings, but then something will snap. Now this probably won't happen until, oh, let's say late July-early August, so we can ride him out until then (if Toothpick were still here he'd ride him into December, natch). A good move then would be to switch Lieber and Dempster. Move Lieber (who will have far fewer innings pitched) into the rotation and Dempster into a long relief role. This will maximize both pitchers.

Of course I could be wrong and the guy goes 25-2. The likelihood is the same as an Orioles-Marlins World Series.

They call me MISTER Fukudome!

by brokenland on Apr 10, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a Win

It was pretty but like was said earlier, this team has the ability to come back which wasn't there early on last season, the only things that really concern me are leaving runners on base but hopefully we can get out of that funk. Im not too concerned though odly enough if anyone remembers last season early on the pirates played us really tough. I think it was on Alfonso Soriano bobblehead day that the bucs beat us in 13 innings. Dempster for NL Cy Young? You heard it here folks.....maybe

"We Are Not Fair Weather But Foul Weather Fans, Brothers In Arms In Streets and The Stands." -Eddie Vedder, Someday We'll Go All The Way

by ryanbrixenivy on Apr 10, 2008 9:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pie and Wood

Pie will be a good hitter when he gets his stuff together. He has the talent. The trick is we don't want to turn him into another Corey Paterson. The hit he had wasn't very much, but it was against a lefty and he didn't try to do too much with it. And if you saw his reaction after he hit it - I think it is a big confidence booster.

Wood gave up a homerun that just carried enough. One bad pitch. Not even that bad. I would actually prefer that to him giving up a hit and a couple of walks and then hitting a guy.

Oh and by the way NO ERRORS.

They call me MISTER Fukudome!

by brokenland on Apr 10, 2008 9:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was a little worried

to look here for news today because I figured people would be calling for Wood's head. I'm glad to see people are staying calm and taking a good attitude about him. Occassionally, he's going to have a bad inning. And power pitchers do sometimes miss their spots and when they do, they usually get taken deep. So it's going to happen a few times. But I think the more he gets used to his new role, the better he's going to be as time goes on, just as long as he stays healthy.

I was also glad to see Pie with the game winner. I agree with whoever said that it looked like it boosted his confidence. Maybe it will also show him that you don't need to kill every pitch to be a good major league hitter. I think if the Cubs (and the fans) are patient with him, he'll be a good all-around player.

by JDay on Apr 10, 2008 10:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

To me,

no errors is the most encouraging part of the whole deal. I am really saddened when I see major league players play significantly below the level of play that made them professional ballplayers.

So it is good to see an error-free game. Gotta stress those fundamentals!

Go Cubs Go!!!!

"I lof to hit de home ron!"

by Tekboy on Apr 10, 2008 10:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

DeRo

I swear I saw him almost boot that last play. Big relief to see the ball ended up in his glove.

FU-KU-DOH-MEH! clap, clap, clap-clap-clap!!!!

by tony412 on Apr 10, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

think you could do better?

give me a break. It was a great play, and DeRosa is an integral part of this team.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 10, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally off subject

Here's a fun little contest.
Beat the streak. You can pick Felix Pie everyday!
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/fantasy/bts/

by Itchy on Apr 10, 2008 10:03 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Predictions

It's eight games into the season and we don't have a good sample size but here we go.

Things that WILL NOT happen:

Soriano and Ramirez hit under .250 for the season
Lee and Fukudome hit over .400 for the season
Lilly goes winless
The Cubs make 200 errors, DeRosa and Cedeno making 190 of them.
Z walks three guys all year.
Reed Johnson will start more than a third of the games.
Ryan Dempster will win more than 15 games.

Things that I believe WILL happen:

Lee, Ramirez and Fukudome all hit over .300, Lee and Fuku possibly over .330

Ramirez and Soriano combine for 75-80 home runs

Z wins 20

Kerry saves 35-40 games

The Cubs will lead the majors in outfield assists

There will be at least two gold glovers on the team. Lee will be one of them.

Soto will hit 25-35 homeruns

In a heated game, Z will plug Prince Fielder with a pitch and the benches will clear.

The Cubs will beat the Indians in the World Series 4-2. At home.

They call me MISTER Fukudome!

by brokenland on Apr 10, 2008 10:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

just out of curiosity

who are your potential gold glove winners? I would assume you mean Lee and Fukudome, but I could be wrong.

---AC 00 00 00 - Believe

by mjk83 on Apr 10, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Fukudome is the one I had in mind. But I think there are others people don't think about. Specifically Soriano and Ramirez. Ramirez especially. He made I believe, 10 errors last year and lost to Wright who made 20. Ramirez has steadily improved as a defensive third baseman. Soriano with the outfield assists is quite impressive. He rarely makes errors, though he does appear too lacksadiscal in left field.

They call me MISTER Fukudome!

by brokenland on Apr 10, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ram and Sori's problems

Are, I think, that their range is limited.

One of the reasons that Ramirez made so few errors is because there were a lot of chances that he didn't get to that other third basemen, like Wright, would have gotten to an made a play on. Wright made more errors because his range allowed him more attempts.

The same goes for Sori, I think there are a lot of balls hit to him that he does not make plays on that he could/should be making plays on. So, while his outfield assists are spectacular, that is about the only thing spectacular about his defensive skills.

by gwood on Apr 10, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ryno

Was sometimes criticized for limited range also. Never did see him dive for a ball. I believe he won a few gold gloves.

"I lost it in the sun"

by Bump Bailey on Apr 10, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

During Ryne's

9 gold glove seasons and throughout his career, he was consistently better than the league average for range factor at second base, so I don't know where the criticism came from for his range.

see http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/sandbry01.shtml

by gwood on Apr 10, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Range factor sucks as a defensive metric.

I'd almost rather use fielding percentage. It's just straight-up bad.

For the years in which we have play-by-play data, however, we can see that Ryne Sandberg was the fourth-best defensive second baseman, with 68 runs saved over the average second baseman over his career. Now, some of that is a function of longevity, but clearly Ryno was a plus defender at second.

As for not seeing him dive for a ball - diving for the ball is for showboating glory-hounds who don't have to God-given talent to just field their position like a real ballplayer. Every time an infielder dives for a ball, God kills a kitten. Won't you think of the kittens?

by cwyers on Apr 10, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love

the outfielders who dive for balls unnecessarily or fall over after making a catch to make the play look better. Moises Alou anyone?

by gwood on Apr 10, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think of Eric Byrnes...

...what a flopper. He reminds me of a basketball player who flops over trying to take a charge after getting slapped on the wrist.

Hector Villanueva's Career Stolen Bases: 1

by IowaCubs- on Apr 10, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know how to stop all that flopping?

94MPH in the rib cage...

Makes me think of the scene in Flashdance when the comic kid at the bar/grill is nervous before going up on stage. The old man calls him over asking him what's wrong. He says, "I'm nervous". The old man punches him really hard in the stomach and says, "now you're not nervous anymore".

Believe me Byrnes won't do much flopping if he gets drilled a couple times.

by blackhawk24 on Apr 11, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jim Edmonds anyone?

Jim Edmonds is notorious for making easy plays look hard, dont get me wrong he is/was a great CF but come on

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed!

He is fun to watch tho....but on the other hand, I loved how Fukudome made that long run towards left center the other day and stretched out to make the catch without flopping...Total class!!

"I lost it in the sun"

by Bump Bailey on Apr 10, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely.

He did that shyte on purpose.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 10, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aaron Rowand.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 10, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re:

diving for the ball is for showboating glory-hounds who don't have to God-given talent to just field their position like a real ballplayer

Yep. I heard a writer ask Steve Stone about those who said Ryno "never got his uniform dirty" implying he was too much of pretty boy to sell out. Stoney replied something to the effect of "when you read the ball correctly off the bat, you seldom, if ever, have to dive." Ryno didn't have to dive because he knew where it was going and got there before the ball did.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 10, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same deal

with Andruw Jones. He is always under the ball waiting becuase he reads it off the bat better than anyone

SOMEONE SHOOT THAT DAMN PARROT!!!

by Keystone80435 on Apr 10, 2008 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Morgan

If I'm not mistaken it was him....

"I lost it in the sun"

by Bump Bailey on Apr 10, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morgan's

ridiculous anti-Sandberg sentiments are almost laughable at this point. I never did understand why he always had such spleen for Ryno.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 10, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Either did I

and I'll never watch a baseball game with Morgan behind the mike.

Jealousy comes to mind. I'd take Ryno over Morgan any day. Morgan cant be happy for another 2nd basemans success becuase in HIS mind he's the best ever.

SOMEONE SHOOT THAT DAMN PARROT!!!

by Keystone80435 on Apr 10, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sandberg didn't dive

because he didn't have to. Why dive when you can get in front of it instead?

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Apr 10, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats right

i always point to the errorless streak. 23 made playes look eaaaasssyyy

SOMEONE SHOOT THAT DAMN PARROT!!!

by Keystone80435 on Apr 10, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course Ramirez's range is limited.

He's a third baseman. That's how you get to be a third baseman. If his range wasn't limited, he'd be a shortstop.

That said, David Wright as a Gold Glove winner is laughable. Taking a look at TotalZone, there were only 14 or so third basemen better than Wright last season. (Guys who actually deserved the Gold Glove are probably Scott Rolen or Pedro Feliz.)

As for Soriano - the notion that Soriano lacks range for a left-fielder is straight-up laughable.

by cwyers on Apr 10, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Every national telecast says "he is getting better defensively".....Damn, he is a good thirdbaseman, VERY quick reactions left or right. Wright gets the press because he is a NY player. I mean, look at the gold gloves Jeter has won and he is WAY down my list of good shortstops.....

by crazymountain on Apr 10, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Soriano's range isn't limited

but he doesn't get to a lot of balls that it seems like he should or could get to with his speed. Especially those that are hit over his head. Maybe he is still afraid of the wall. Maybe he is still afraid of reinjuring his leg. But it seems like he should be making more plays than he does.

by gwood on Apr 10, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He does have issues going back on balls, it would seem...

...but on the whole, he has a lot more range than the average would-be DH that normally plays left in the National League.

by cwyers on Apr 10, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He does have range...

... what he doesn't seem to have, at times, are good reactions off the bat. He doesn't read balls well, and sometimes takes poor routes to him. His range is what allows him to cover for that flaw.

And we'll all take his arm. With Pie in CF the Cubs may have three of the best OF arms in baseball.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 10, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

p/o Fonzie's 'range' issue at Wrigley last season

was he was deathly afraid of the bricks behind the ivy.

It's also what I heard Hunter state why we wouldn't be too fond playing 81 of his games at the old north side ballyard.

by blackhawk24 on Apr 11, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He does have range...

... what he doesn't seem to have, at times, are good reactions off the bat. He doesn't read balls well, and sometimes takes poor routes to him. His range is what allows him to cover for that flaw.

And we'll all take his arm. With Pie in CF the Cubs may have three of the best OF arms in baseball.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 10, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you two

for the education, appreciate it!

by gwood on Apr 10, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously

The gold glove is becoming an offensive award as well, for some reason.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dome

Will have a tough time getting a GG over Jeff Fancoeur, Not that GGs mean anything (cf. Derek Jeter)

by berselius on Apr 10, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gold Gloves are for three OF positions

not RF, LF, CF. So Dome just has to be in top 3

by PirateDan on Apr 10, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yah...

Rammy got gold-glove robbed last year. >8^S

by Shawon O Meter on Apr 10, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like your picks

but Soto won't get 25-35 HR's this year. Someday though!

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Apr 10, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He might

And I hope so. Once he gets in the stroke, I think they'll come in bunchs

Cubs Win!! Cubs Win!

by Ihatethecards on Apr 10, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dempster

What types of pitches does Dempster throw?

My guess (from the highlights, etc.) is four seam fastball, two seam fastball, change, and slider. How accurate is that?

by gwood on Apr 10, 2008 10:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Add the splitter...

...and you have them all.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 10, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's

a lot of pitches. Don't most starters have only three or four pitches they throw?

by gwood on Apr 10, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Usually...

...when you see a guy with this many pitches, it means they are searching for something to get guys out. With Dempster, I think it was more related to coming back from injury and looking for a killer pitch as a closer.

Bottom line, it's very difficult for a pitcher to have command of 5 different pitches. Each one has a different grip and feel, and that makes it hard. I think you will see him stick to his 2 seem fastball, slider and change up for the most part.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 10, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to Fangraphs.com...

...Dempster throws a fastball, slider and change. There's also the possibility that he throws a splitter, but that's disputed.

by cwyers on Apr 10, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Generally speaking

are pitchers that throw a two and four seam fastball credited for two pitches or just one?

by gwood on Apr 10, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any of the data providers (BIS, STATS or Sportsvision)...

...don't distinguish between pitch subtypes - two- and four-seam fastballs are lumped together, as are straight changeups and circle-changes, etc.

by cwyers on Apr 10, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He definately has a splitter...

...in his bag, but I don't believe he has used it much this year. In fact, if you watch him grip the ball, he puts it in this glove with the splitter grip, which is something all pitchers do who have this pitch.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 10, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to Fangraphs.com again...

...he threw the splitter in 2006, but hasn't thrown it since. Now, pitch identification isn't a perfect science, so take it for what it's worth.

by cwyers on Apr 10, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes...

his two seamer seems to mirror a splitter..

"I lost it in the sun"

by Bump Bailey on Apr 10, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The splitter...

...will show up about 6-10 mph slower than his 2 seam fastball and is something you won't miss.

Again, he may be relying more heavily on the other pitches to date, but has thrown it since 06.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 10, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Without a doubt

he throws a splitter, but he could sometimes take a little off the fastball and maybe have the same effect...

"I lost it in the sun"

by Bump Bailey on Apr 10, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

pie...

i'm not a fan of pie but ive said all along that his attitude is his worst enemy. i watched him play in person many many times in aaa and now in the majors. his problem is still the exact same. he thinks he's a pull hitter. he's not. when he swings the bat like he did on the single and the hr that went foul he might live up to potential. SHORT quick level swing. most of the time he is swinging long and hard and his head ends up backwards(so to speak). ive been taping all his ab's and replaying them. their all either one or the other. when he swings it right its usually a hit or hard out. please please please pie realize that your not your friend soriano.

as far as pulling dempster last night, i saw alot of post saying lou should have left him in. lou did what he should have done. let your starter exit w/ a chance to win the game. bring in your filthy,unhittable,well rested setup guy in the 8th and then your should be, well rested, upper 90's closer in to finish.

as far as wood goes anyone else notice his pitches. he seems to be relying on his fastball and his hard slider only. why isnt he throwing the nasty hook he's famous for? is he scared he cant get it over for strikes? w/e the case if he stays healthy he will be a GREAT closer for a long time i think.

one other thing I saw last night that got me thinking. soto has been great IMO so far but when howry pitched last night he had to go to mound and talk to him. signs mixed up?? i gotta feeling these pitchers are still getting acclimated to pitching to soto. vice versa. maybe this is a reason for some of the pitching struggles. this will be worked out in a few weeks or so i believe. soto will better learn to call a major league game and learn what his pitchers want him to do in certain spots.

last thing--DECEPTION-- i would really really like to see theriot,pie,and fukudome start bunting more. riot and pie have to much speed to be up there slugging away everytime. i think if they will start trying the ol bunt more they will bring in defenses and not only start opening up holes and getting a basehit but get on bases and stir up that pitcher.

Go Cubbies Go!!!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Apr 10, 2008 10:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I believe

that Wood has ditched the "hook" in favor of his slider to protect his elbow and shoulder. From what I have read/heard throwing a curveball puts a lot of strain and stress on the elbow. Considering Wood's history, I would rather him avoid further strain on his pitching arm.

by gwood on Apr 10, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct...

...the curve does usually put more stress on the elbow as you break that thing off.

For the most part, you see very few pitchers throw a true curve ball anymore. Most guys are going with sliders or slurves (half way between slider and curve). The curve ball is also a more difficult pitch to control, because of the greater amount of movement.

IMO, for today's pitchers to really have the opportunity to have a high level of success, the best pitch they can add to their bag is a good change up. Very few hitters today choke up or shorten their swing in a game situation, and this makes them much for vulnerable to a good change.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 10, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

He was lights out at AAA.

What does his "attitude" have to do with his swing?

He's a tremendous talent who deserves at least a half of a season's chance before we degrade his skills.

Hector Villanueva's Career Stolen Bases: 1

by IowaCubs- on Apr 10, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Ive seen nothing but smiles and never heard him complain ever about PT

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

pie's attitude

what i mean by his attitude is this.... i'm a homerun hitter. kinda like soriano. the highlight reel hit or nothing. when pie has shortened his swing and kept his head in the box he has had success. if he wants to stay in the majors he's going to have too start playing small ball. bunting,taking pitches, taking an outside pitch to left and getting on base and using what no one else has on this team--lightning quick speeddddd!!! if he can start making infielders come in on the grass to guard against the bunt and prove he can take some bad pitches for balls I think the BIG hits will come. as for the current path he's taking he's gonna burn out really really quick.

Go Cubbies Go!!!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Apr 10, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

most of Pie's problem is not his attitude but the unrealistic expectations put on him by the Chicago press. He shouldn't read the papers........

by crazymountain on Apr 10, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well...

this is the chicago cubs not the pittsburgh pirate. we want a winner and we the fans have high expectations. if you dont like well ask for a trade.

Go Cubbies Go!!!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Apr 10, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I miss

The "Hook". Devastating pitch! Always reminds me of the 20 strikout game.

"I lost it in the sun"

by Bump Bailey on Apr 10, 2008 11:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Slurve

Wood's slurve was the baseball equivalent to a Camel Non-Filter, every one of those things took 10 minutes off his (playing) lifespan. Notice in that 20K game how his curve starts at 12-6 but by the 9th has devolved into some 2-8 monstrosity? Took a long while but it's nice to see Kerry finally get his health and mechanics in order.

As for Pie, I really hope the Cubs don't end up getting Gaettied again with Reed Johnson- one month of great play followed by .200 baseball the rest of the way. I'd hate to see Felix buried thanks to one good week since I don't really think he has much left to prove at AAA. I just hope everyone here is right and Perry can get through to Pie to focus on going back up the middle and to the opposite field, let his speed do the work.

by GSG on Apr 10, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Gaettied'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice term! Can I use that?

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 10, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lieber was also available

Al - you stated that only Hill and Lilly didn't play but I thought Lieber didn't either. It will nice to have a long reliever that's not worn available tonight.

If the Cubs were an international soccer team they'd be called Scotland.

by mrtobby on Apr 10, 2008 11:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

True.

Doubt Lieber would have pitched unless it got really ridiculous, though.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 10, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What happened to Baseball tonight?

First off great win for the Cubs last night....it was great to see the team battle back and win after blowing two late leads. There was nothing better than watchng the Cubs highlights on Baseball tonight after a Cubs victory but with the departure of Harold Reynolds on bogus sexual harassment claim and Peter Gammons health and age has made it tough to bear. With the arrival of Eric Young and the other guy who completes the PC trio baseball tonight has become tough to watch. I cant believe that some executives of ESPN really think these guys are good. It's ashame that ESPN so cowardly dismissed Harold Reynolds when Mike Tricio and Chris Berman had been both accused of similiar cases. Bring Reynolds back.

"Commit to the Indian!"

by Bpatterson83 on Apr 10, 2008 11:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bogus Sexual Harrassment claim?

Explain? I guy gets fired for "sexual harrassment" normally theres reason to back it up.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"A guy"

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chatter...

... I have been hearing chatter (perhaps speculation again) that the Cubs are "stepping up talks".

Al - any Deep Goat updates?

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Apr 10, 2008 11:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Chatter

chatter about "you know who"?

"I lost it in the sun"

by Bump Bailey on Apr 10, 2008 12:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You Know Who!

That guy and Crisp again...

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Apr 10, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't mind "That Guy"

but please don't send us the Crisper...

"I lost it in the sun"

by Bump Bailey on Apr 10, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any Word On Whether...

...Marquis is going tonight?

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Apr 10, 2008 12:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Haven't heard

yet if Marquis is going tonight...my guess is he will. I heard that Lou is thinking of putting Fukudome in center and Ward in right tonight. And maybe Fontenot at second. I would think Pie would deserve to be in after last night's heroics..

"I lost it in the sun"

by Bump Bailey on Apr 10, 2008 12:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I Think Pie Is Going To Be In The Game...

...tonight, too.

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Apr 10, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im thinking

Lee gets the day off, insert Ward

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ward

could use some ab's somewhere...but isn't his "usual" fielding position right field?

"I lost it in the sun"

by Bump Bailey on Apr 10, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marquis

Apparently Marquis will be starting tonight due to the fact that the Pirates have hit .311 against left-handed pitching this year. Sorry Rich.

by rambler19 on Apr 10, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Might as well provide a source...

Piniella plans to swap left-hander Rich Hill and right-hander Jason Marquis in the rotation the next two days, provided Marquis -- who was sent back to the hotel with the flu Wednesday -- is well enough to start today.

The Pirates tend to club lefties (.311 average and .447 slugging entering Wednesday's game) compared with right-handers (.254, .379), and Marquis had two exceptional starts against Pittsburgh early last season.

Source: Chicago Sun-Times

by rambler19 on Apr 10, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Source #2

Pat and Ron mentioned this several times last night during the broadcast as well. Seems to me that the smart thing to do is have both of them ready to go, whoever starts. If the starter gets shelled then we can pitch the other guy to rest the BP and Z can pitch on regular rest tomorrow.

by berselius on Apr 10, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read that too...

and I think he would have to be pretty ill to miss a shot at pitching against the pirates....

but if Ward plays right, I'd rather have Pie in center to cover all that space and give Fukodome a rest. Lou also mentioned playing Johnson tonight ....not enough room for all those guys...

Source: http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080409&content_id=2508057&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

"I lost it in the sun"

by Bump Bailey on Apr 10, 2008 12:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Recap.

First things first, Get Home Safe Al. I've always wondered what exactly it is you do, but it's prob none of my business anyways. Being Mr. BCB works fine for me. Anyways, although I was in class during the game I watched it when I got home (I'm sure most of you know but it's free on MLB.TV once the game has finished).
Couple things, although it's only been 8 games I believe we have the worst % in the Majors for leaving RISP. Let's hope this won't be a trend.
Wood and Pie both need and deserve time butttt not too much. Soria-NOOOO why did you swing at that! Please stop. Please?
Reed Johnson gave an interview to ESPN 1000 this morning and said it's a "dream come true" to play at Wrigley for us and he comes to the park everyday ready to play whether he's starting or not. Kind of that "saying all the right things" approach we all seem to love, myself included.
Osoria, I owe you a beer for dropping that throw.
A-Ram, I love you as much as the next guy, but is it too hard to at least trot, power walk, skip, hop-skotch even, while watching your bombs?
Love Keystone's picture of the Parrot and yes what was up w/ that? Reminded me of a game last year, I believe in AZ?, where that one guy had a blinking Cubs logo behind home plate. Didn't they make him to put it away? They should've made the Parrot take of his mask and sit w/ the bottom part of his costume on the rest of the game while everyone pointed and laughed.
And I too have Go Cubs Go as my ringtone. It's Glorious. I use WavePad (free-trial of course) to make my ringtones. Just cut 20 sec of any song on my PC and use a third-party website to upload it to my phone.
Anyways, just my $.02. Let's Get 'Em tonight.

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on Apr 10, 2008 12:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You are exactly right

Thats was my example, the guy last year in AZ. I wouldnt be surprised to see the dang bird at the game tonight with blinking lights and a sign saying he got a raise.

SOMEONE SHOOT THAT DAMN PARROT!!!

by Keystone80435 on Apr 10, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al's often mentioned

He's a director for the local ABC morning newscast... the perfect job since he is done with work before lunch and able to go to all the day games.

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Apr 10, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

I knew he worked for ABC just didn't know in what capacity exactly.

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on Apr 10, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ARRRGGG!

SHOOT IT TWICE TO MAKE SURE IT'S DEAD!

Photobucket

SOMEONE SHOOT THAT DAMN PARROT!!!

by Keystone80435 on Apr 10, 2008 12:57 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

lol this is great

Man, we were fuming about that parrot last night - that's how bad it was. It wasn't just like some big mascot going around playing with the fans. He was SPECIFICALLY sitting within the pitchers line of sight (I know some of you don't believe it, but...he was) and waving or even standing up and humping every time the pitcher would throw. It was obnoxious as hell and if he shows up tonight, watch out!

by cubsonWGN4ever on Apr 10, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nuke

we need Nuke to bean the mascot

Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.

by CyberCyclist on Apr 10, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHA!

I was having sooo much fun being mad. And I am for sure NOT buying the 'camera line of sight' argument. That damn bird was 100% in sight of the pitchers.

SOMEONE SHOOT THAT DAMN PARROT!!!

by Keystone80435 on Apr 10, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs-Pirates

After 2 extra inning games. I hope this doesn't mean that the Cubs are on par with the Pirates all season. With that being said even though it's been only 2 games Dempster looks very solid....

~md

by Cali2Chi on Apr 10, 2008 1:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

jumping in

So I agree with Am-ram watching his HRs and his lack of running around the bases. But really I could care less if he keeps hitting HRs. I hope I get to hear people be angry about that every day this year, if thats the case we will be winning a lot of games.

Manny is probably public enemy #1 when it comes to that but he is also one of the greatest right handed hitters of all time. It is a good problem to have.

by louisiana lumberman on Apr 10, 2008 1:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You know what...

I understand where some people are coming from in terms of wanting a little more 'professionalism' from our highly paid athletes. But at the end of the day, this is a GAME. It's something that 99.9% of us do for fun. If i hit a ball that hard in a league softball game, you better believe I'd stand and admire it. Of course, that'll never happen bc I have the hitting skill of a gerbil. Nonetheless, I'm really not all that upset when a good hitter admires a homerun. Just MAKE SURE it's a homerun

LL above made a good point that it's a good problem to have. I personally get a kick out of it. I wish we had a manny on our team to hit a walkoff HR in the playoffs.

Ok go ahead, flame me. :)

by cubsonWGN4ever on Apr 10, 2008 1:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree

When I hit a ball well, my first thought is usually "Wow, I hit the piss out of that one." I'm sure these guys think the same thing when they hit a 400 foot blast into the bleachers. I have no problem with taking a look at it while it flies through the air for a few seconds. As long as you don't stand in the batters box for half a minute, who cares. Anyway, I've said enough about this already, I'm just happy they won the game!

by rambler19 on Apr 10, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This probably isn't the same

but since I don't get to play softball or anything like that . . . I know that when I really get ahold of a golf shot, I like to hold my finish a little longer and stare down that ball. It feels really good when you know right away that you hit the ball about as well as you could.

Back to baseball, I am not a fan of players watching their homeruns for an extended period of time. But as long as the player understands and does not complain about the fact that they will get hit with the next pitch they see, I say let the pitchers police it.

by gwood on Apr 10, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's all culture driven...

...in regards to what is acceptable and what isn't. 30 years ago, you rarely saw a guy admire a homerun or pump his fist, because it wasn't acceptable at that time. Today, it's a completely different story.

Let's face it, there are more prima-donna's in today's game than there has ever been, and thats just the way it is. It doesn't mean the game still isn't great, it's just different.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 10, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bogus sexual harassment

Hammer guy....i'm not going to to into great detail over why Harold Reynolds was falsely accused and forced out by ESPN. If you need more explanation do some research. In my opinion he got a raw deal...it's puzzling when similiar accusations by female staff at ESPN were made against mike tricio and Chris Berman and little was done. it might just be possible that it was a false claim....how about that hammertime?

"Commit to the Indian!"

by Bpatterson83 on Apr 10, 2008 2:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Its possible that you could reply to the original post

but thats just me. IMO, if he was falsly accused thered be a lawsuite, and I havent read anything about that...of course Id have to my "research"

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hammer tool

So everyone who is forced out or wrongly accused in the business world files a lawsuit?

"Commit to the Indian!"

by Bpatterson83 on Apr 10, 2008 2:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hit the reply button it works

No, but if you are publicly let go because of sexual harrassment and you are in TV or famous etc. Id expect a lawsuit unless you were positive youd lose.

Hammer Tool----GOOD ONE.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Hammer on this one

If Reynolds was falsely accused, wouldn't you think he would at least fight to clear his name? I'm not saying he was or wasn't but because of the fact that he was a national sports figure, I would imagine he would want people to know that he's innocent. Just my opinion.

by McRipper on Apr 10, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is very possible

the ESPN paid him a good chunk of money upon his departure so that he wouldn't sue and keep the whole thing quiet.

by gwood on Apr 10, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to bust your bubble M.C.

But there was a suit filed approximately 2 1/2 years ago in CT court. See here:

. I'm not very fluent in legalese but I believe it was filed for a breach of contract basically claiming wrongful termination. At the same time this thing has been dragging on forever so who knows if it will ever get done. Honestly, my thing is, fine, if he did something wrong and you can prove it be my guest but I find it a little hypocritical that they still employ an admitted convicted criminal in Michael Irvin for their NFL commentary.

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on Apr 10, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry. Link Again:

http://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/DispDetail.asp?DocNum=HHD-CV-06-5008364-S

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on Apr 10, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHOA!

SOMEONE SHOOT THAT DAMN PARROT!!!

by Keystone80435 on Apr 10, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah!!!

Brewers lose again.

FU-KU-DOH-MEH! clap, clap, clap-clap-clap!!!!

by tony412 on Apr 10, 2008 2:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

When I went to

bed last night the score was 4-4. I got up at four this morning and CSN had a replay on and was right where I left off last night. Sooo happy they won. Hope tonight's game is over in nine innings.

by sue369 on Apr 10, 2008 2:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

STUPID PARROT!!!

For anyone who didnt see. Here he is against Hart

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zpCAh5emlNY

SOMEONE SHOOT THAT DAMN PARROT!!!

by Keystone80435 on Apr 10, 2008 2:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow

I took the game in via GD Audio, and just read about the infamous parrot on the thread here. I just don't understand what the hell that parrot was doing? Were those pelvic thrusts?!?! I guess if the pitcher was really distracted by it he would have pointed it out to the ump though, right?

by philadelphiacub on Apr 10, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i noticed it

but was too tired to really care, although he was annoying.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Cubs would have lost it would have been great to blame the parrot and try to get Lou to protest haha

He was for sure in the pitchers line of sight if the pitcher was holding a runner on 1st like Hart was. But who cares at this point (me a little, but just for laughs)

He wasnt there harrasing behind the plate that I saw. He knows better. I'm sure word got out. haha

SOMEONE SHOOT THAT DAMN PARROT!!!

by Keystone80435 on Apr 10, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just watched the vid.

That thing was very annoying. Kind of reminds me of Benny the Bull at Bulls game (God do they suck this year.) Anyways, what really irked me was the info for the video:

"Pirate Parrot mascot behind the pitcher awakes and starts cheating and distracting the Cubs pitcher Kevin Hart into missing a line drive and giving up a homerun." Sounds like a Cubs apologist, as if the Parrot was the sole reason Hart gave up the runs. Even though that Parrot deserves a clubbing at the hands of Randall Simon, I highly doubt any of us would have blamed a mascot had we lost.

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on Apr 10, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAH!

Randall Simon!

That bratwurst had it coming!!

by Shawon O Meter on Apr 10, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jayo half the 90% of Cub Nation blames a fan called Bartman for not winning a World Series. We also blame a goat. Whats keeping us from blaming a parrot? hahahahaha
Just though I'd show everyone what I was crying about all last night.

SOMEONE SHOOT THAT DAMN PARROT!!!

by Keystone80435 on Apr 10, 2008 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to say...

...I was a little surprised they let that thing stand where it was and harass the pitcher.

The thing was bugging the hell out of me and I wasn't even playing. I'll bet the Cubs had a few words about that to major league baseball.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 10, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's see if he's there again tonight.

The Cubs, if they said anything, probably didn't have to say it to Bud's office. A call to the Pirates would have probably sufficed.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 10, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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