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Open Thread: Cubs vs. Pirates, Thursday 4/10, 6:05 CT

Chicago Cubs @ Pittsburgh Pirates


The pitcher box below may wind up being wrong if this note in the Sun-Times comes to pass:
[Lou] Piniella plans to swap left-hander Rich Hill and right-hander Jason Marquis in the rotation the next two days, provided Marquis -- who was sent back to the hotel with the flu Wednesday -- is well enough to start today.

The Pirates tend to club lefties (.311 average and .447 slugging entering Wednesday's game) compared with right-handers (.254, .379), and Marquis had two exceptional starts against Pittsburgh early last season.

So, stay tuned... and don't be surprised if you see Marquis on the mound tonight, and Hill tomorrow in Philadelphia.

Here's something I didn't -- and you probably didn't either -- ever expect to see: Ernie Banks defending Sammy Sosa:
Banks hopes Sosa can eventually be welcomed back to the Cubs' family.

"It's going to take time," Banks said. "Maybe there is a possibility with everything changing and new leadership—new owners and stuff. I'm going to try to bridge that gap a little bit. Try to have him come back and throw out the first pitch and possibly sing 'Take Me Out To The Ball Game.' That would be a good start."

There are, of course, other issues that have to be resolved before Sammy can be welcomed back, but there is precedent for this with other teams:
Bill Buckner, a figure of scorn in New England since his costly error on Mookie Wilson's roller in Game 6 of the 1986 World Series, was invited back to Fenway Park for a ceremonial first pitch before Tuesday's home opener with Detroit, and Red Sox fans greeted him with a prolonged ovation.

Sosa says he would be amenable to throwing out a ceremonial first pitch at Wrigley Field, but he's not going to ask the Cubs.

"I don't have a problem with that," he said. "If anyone wants to find me, they know where they can find me. I'm not going to call them and say, 'Hey, I want to go up to Chicago and throw out the first pitch.' But if they call me and say they want me to do that, I will do it. I'm not going to go up there begging to throw out the first pitch. That is not me.

"Probably with the new ownership, definitely, things probably will be better. No matter what happened, all those years that I was giving to my people … all those years of glory, all those years of happiness … they cannot scratch that."

Today's Starting Pitchers
Rich Hill
R. Hill
Cubs
vs. Matt Morris
M. Morris
Pirates
0-0 W-L 0-0
3.00 ERA 5.40
4 SO 2
3 BB 2
1 HR 1
vs. Pit -- vs. Cubs

Matt Morris has had two careers against the Cubs. He went 10-2 with a 3.18 ERA in his first 17 starts (all with St. Louis) against the Cubs - but since then he's gone 2-6 with an 8.22 ERA. Let's hope that continues tonight; Aramis Ramirez (.326/.360/.587), Derrek Lee (.355/.429/.839), Alfonso Soriano (.556/.600/1.111) and Daryle Ward (.375/.385/.583) all hit him hard.

Hill has been hit hard by Ronny Paulino (.462/.500/.769), but has handled everyone else pretty well. If it winds up being Jason Marquis tonight, he's also handled the Pirates hitters well, except for Jason Bay (.382/.450/.912, 4 doubles, a triple, 4 HR, 5 walks in 39 PA).

Tonight's game is on WGN and FSN Pittsburgh, so it's available on Extra Innings if you don't have WGN. For other info check ther MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Sweep!

Let's get those brooms out!!!

by McRipper on Apr 10, 2008 2:08 PM CDT   0 recs

Possibly

when Bruce chimes in, or the game goes up on GameDay.

"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Apr 10, 2008 2:10 PM CDT   0 recs

Prediction

Matt Morris does not finish the 4th inning. Light him up.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 2:11 PM CDT   0 recs

Nostrodomus is alive

And a Cubs Fan!

Aramis Ramirez- NL MVP
Kosuke Fukudome- NL ROY
Carlos Marmol- Rolaids Relief Man

by sheamcmurray on Apr 10, 2008 2:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The writer

Bill Bryson, whose dad was a pretty big sportswriter for the Des Moines Register in the '50s, sometimes traveled with his old man to ballgames at Wrigley and other parks. Bryson has written that Ernie was the nicest man he has ever met, and I believe him. Too bad that Sammy seems to me the Anti-Ernie, where everything is always about him: what HE gave, what HE accomplished, how HE acts, etc. Please. Enough. Make him stop. Hopefully St. Banks can find another, more worthy cause.

"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Apr 10, 2008 2:13 PM CDT   0 recs

Id applaud Sammy

He was a large part of my teens.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 2:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Me too

Now Prior, on the other hand...

by dr stabbingworth on Apr 10, 2008 2:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sammy

Sammy is a big part of why I became fo Cubs fan. From the first game I attended in '96 sitting next to the lady who gave us tickets since their friends could make it screaming SAMMY each time she laid eyes on him to his enthusiasitic sprint out to right field he was entertaining and a solid contributot to the club. The HR race with Mcgwire was one of the most exciting things to witness. It ended badly, for sure. But time heals all wounds and I thing it would be great to bring him back. I still wear my Sosa jersey with pride.

by sdurst on Apr 10, 2008 2:22 PM CDT   0 recs

Good news

the Brewers just lost again.

by santo4hof on Apr 10, 2008 2:26 PM CDT   0 recs

I'm torn

I like watching Prince Fielder struggle because they need him. Too bad he's on my fantasy team.

by dr stabbingworth on Apr 10, 2008 2:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fielder's pants

were long today. Maybe someone showed him what he looked like in the baggy shorts.

by santo4hof on Apr 10, 2008 3:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fielder

Zero HR.... he'll be coming off that diet any minute now.

FU-KU-DOH-MEH! clap, clap, clap-clap-clap!!!!

by tony412 on Apr 10, 2008 4:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's huge

To me, he looks bigger than he was last year. And I know, that's saying a lot.

by montanacubby on Apr 10, 2008 5:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Taking the night off school

Gotta watch a Cubs game. Don't get me wrong, I love watching the play by play commentary from all of you guys. I'm an out-of-towner that has yet to purchase his gameday audio feed. So for the past week and some change I've been relying on all of you. Please don't be mad, I just think it's time for some me time. Me and the cubs... and a beer. :D Get those brooms out!

by Lou In Blue on Apr 10, 2008 2:30 PM CDT   0 recs

Ernie

He seems like an exceedingly nice individual who doesn't have a bad thing to say about anyone. He's a guy i'd like to sit down with, hear about the sport, et al, but he's not the person I'd look to for objective social commentary. He just seems too nice to be critical of anyone or anything.

DmL

by dmlichte on Apr 10, 2008 2:30 PM CDT   0 recs

It's my Birthday

So I expect to be celebrating it tonight with a Cubs win. I hope they knock Matt Morris around.

by rambler19 on Apr 10, 2008 2:34 PM CDT   0 recs

Happy Birthday rambler!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 10, 2008 2:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks

It's too bad that birthday's don't quality as automatic days off work though...

by rambler19 on Apr 10, 2008 3:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nope

Been in eastern Iowa all my life. Raised here, educated here, and now I work here. Why do you ask?

by rambler19 on Apr 10, 2008 3:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The mascot for

Loyola Academy (the high school) and Loyola University is the Rambler

by gwood on Apr 10, 2008 3:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah...

Our semi-pro team's nickname is the Ramblers. Not really sure what made them decide on it, but it's just a name, right?

by rambler19 on Apr 10, 2008 3:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Happy Birthday

from north central Iowa.

by sue369 on Apr 10, 2008 3:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nittany Lions love Iowa, =D

Remember this, Sue?

"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk

by NittanyCub on Apr 10, 2008 3:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

eh

you win some you lose some.

by sue369 on Apr 10, 2008 4:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Happy Birthday...

...from Downer's Grove!

by Shawon O Meter on Apr 10, 2008 3:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and from snowy Fargo

Happy Birthday; it's also my girlfriend's birthday which is nice, but I have to do dinner and may miss the game...What's that you say? Won't they have it on in the bar? No, this is snowy Fargo (yes it's snowing)...and the UND Fightin Sioux are playing some sort of hockey contest tonight. That'll be on instead.

by montanacubby on Apr 10, 2008 5:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Happy Birthday!

n/t

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Lou In Blue on Apr 10, 2008 2:39 PM CDT   0 recs

Ernie Is Right About Sammy

The worst thing Sammy did was leave the team early in the 2004 closing game of the regular season. I could get on my high horse and preach about how players shouldn't have juiced. Honestly, I can't blame the players for juicing when MLB was looking the other way. To this point, there has been no hard evidence that Sammy juiced (though I have my suspicions). He was one of the best hitters in Cubs history (whether he juiced or not) and should be honored at Wrigley Field maybe some time in 2012, when the memories of the steroids era have faded.

by memphiscub on Apr 10, 2008 2:44 PM CDT   0 recs

Sammy

probably contributed quite a bit to the national popularity of the Cubs as well.

by gwood on Apr 10, 2008 3:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

nd helped revive baseball as a whole

The Game benefitted from his actions, even if he was juiced. To now shun him, or Mac, is hypocritical.

by sdurst on Apr 10, 2008 3:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Everywhere I remember travelling to

I'd answer the question of where I was from with "Chicago". The response was always the same... "OH!!! Sammy Sosa!"

FU-KU-DOH-MEH! clap, clap, clap-clap-clap!!!!

by tony412 on Apr 10, 2008 4:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think in time, a reconciliation can happen.

But it will take some years, and some perspective on the era. Don't expect it for 10 years or more.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 10, 2008 5:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Besides juicing and leaving early

there was that whole corked bat thing......I remember where I was and what I was doing and that I had a knot in my stomach whenever I thought about it for a long time.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 3:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So strange

now that you mention it, I also remember exactly where I was when I heard the news over the radion (didn't see the game).

How bizarre is that? Then again, I also remember exactly where I was during 2003 Game 6, Game 7, Hawkins' blown save against the Mets in 2004 . . . .

by hoosiercubbie on Apr 10, 2008 3:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Trough talk...

i'll forever remember laughing at what I heard in the right field upper deck men's room 6/3/03 during the third inning of the cubs-devil rays game: "And all along we thought it was steroids."

Sammy was great for the Cubs and was justly compensated for it. Every time he opens his mouth, though, I'm glad he's no longer here.

HAPPY 100th ANNIVERSARY, CUBS FANS!!!!

by section229beer on Apr 10, 2008 4:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Same here.

At work. In St Louis. Absolutely dreading what I was about to experience from coworkers who knew I was a Cubs fans.

You don't snipe in Carrington!

by neverAcquiesce on Apr 10, 2008 4:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"some time in 2012, when the memories of the steroids era have faded"

I wish 2012 would be the end of steroids, but I doubt it.

by dr stabbingworth on Apr 10, 2008 3:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Pirates may pound lefties....

but the Phillies also pounded Rich Hill in his start in Philly last year. Actually, it was Pat Burrel who did the pounding, he hit two monsters off of Hill...go ahead Lou and pick your poison.

by smitster2008 on Apr 10, 2008 2:57 PM CDT   0 recs

Hills curve

had better be on. Becuase if it isnt and he gets in trouble I think Lou is gonna leave him out there for the sacrafice.

SOMEONE SHOOT THAT DAMN PARROT!!!

by Keystone80435 on Apr 10, 2008 3:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

True

I think he will be good for 6 innings, that should be enough.

Lou is a manager but not a complete putz, Larussa sacrificed Marquis a few times, totally brutal IMO

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 10, 2008 3:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess

Lieber is still good to go if Hill gets in trouble. Hopefully Hill will be on his game and go at least 7. I'm just afraid if he gets in a bases loaded no outs in the 3rd down 4 runs that Lou is gonna leave him in.....and there goes my fantasy league. But Hill is for sure capabkle of going deep in a 1 run game.

SOMEONE SHOOT THAT DAMN PARROT!!!

by Keystone80435 on Apr 10, 2008 3:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's gonna have to

at least if Marquis ends up pitching, he is used to being sacrificed in that way

by gwood on Apr 10, 2008 3:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Finally

someone with public respect shows respect for Sammy...

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying" - Michael Jordan, the one and only...

by LPLancer23 on Apr 10, 2008 3:01 PM CDT   0 recs

Nice try, Sammy . . .

. . . .but telling the media "i'm not going to beg" is begging.

I agree that the fences need to be mended eventually, but every time Sammy opens his self-important mouth, I am reminded of why--fairly or not--he was so quickly shunned in the first place.

by hoosiercubbie on Apr 10, 2008 3:01 PM CDT   0 recs

I don't know

if a reporter calls Sammy up, what is he supposed to say? If he says "No comment," that sounds pretty aloof and will be written up as Sammy still holding a grudge against the Cubs.

by TC Cubby on Apr 10, 2008 3:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fair enough

I do think, however, that other people in that same situation would say something along the lines of "its premature to speculate," or "I'll cross that bridge when I come to it," "I'm happy to listen if they want to talk," etc . . . Some perfectly harmless cliche.

As far as I know, no one asked him to "beg," and it does seem a little petty to frame the idea of a reconcilation in those terms. And, again, reminds me why it was tough to see him sympathetically.

by hoosiercubbie on Apr 10, 2008 3:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He did say that

"But if they call me and say they want me to do that, I will do it." I agree that his ego is massive, but I actually think he is being honest here--he could easily have said "screw you."

by TC Cubby on Apr 10, 2008 3:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Tribune reporters

love to twist the truth to appeal to the masses. It's funny how they consider themselves "legitimate media"

by dr stabbingworth on Apr 10, 2008 3:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well . . .

I don't think he could have "easily" said "screw you." That would have been controversial.

And Sammy didn't say "If they want to talk, I will listen." He said, "if they want me to do that, I will do it." There's a huge difference. To say that "I'm not going to beg" in the context of "yes I will do it" is passive-aggressively begging. Its making it clear to everyone that he wants to do it without asking for the opportunity, but then trying to deflect that by insisting he be asked.

In other words, he's not offering a open honest dialogue as a fresh start, which is what I was alluding to above. I feel that would have been the appropriate way to handle it, rather than assume everything should be forgiven and forgotten without any humility.

You are right to say that Sammy was put on the spot by a reporter, but I don't see anything here new in regards to new found humility. Was that just a reporter finding the juiciest quote? Maybe, but I guess too many years of the old Sammy makes me admittedly skeptical now.

by hoosiercubbie on Apr 10, 2008 4:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sounds to me

like you are criticizing him for not spouting clichés. Or more correctly, spouting the wrong clichés.

I understand your point, but I'm more in agreement with TC Cubby. Sosa is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

And let's not forget. Sammy is a guy who left school young and doesn't even have a high school degree--and that's the fault of MLB (and the crappy conditions of the Dominican Republic.) I think it's unfair to expect Sosa to be able to issue a press release that a PR firm would approve of.

It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.

by Josh77 on Apr 10, 2008 5:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

see my other post

I guess it comes down to whether one is sympathetic to Sammy or not.

And its not about the right level of education for talking to the press (which strikes me as a disingenious argument, considering how long Sammy's been in the spotlight).

by hoosiercubbie on Apr 11, 2008 8:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And I am "criticizing" him

for talking out of both sides of his mouth and for not showing any contrition. But, again, this is Sammy we are talking about.

by hoosiercubbie on Apr 11, 2008 8:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hill still

scares me. I hope he's on tonight. Dome had a quiet night last night so I'm thinking he'll have a good night.

by sue369 on Apr 10, 2008 3:16 PM CDT   0 recs

I'm still

betting the OVER tonight. Both bullpens are haggard.

SOMEONE SHOOT THAT DAMN PARROT!!!

by Keystone80435 on Apr 10, 2008 3:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Meeks

is the only fresh arm they have and we know what he is capable of.

We at least have Lieber to turn to who could go four innings, maybe, if we needed him to. Maybe he could get one of those rare four inning saves.

by gwood on Apr 10, 2008 3:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hmmm

Lieber or this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Meeks ???

I'll take Lieber

FU-KU-DOH-MEH! clap, clap, clap-clap-clap!!!!

by tony412 on Apr 10, 2008 4:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So who's the best bet...

...for the first non-pitcher to take the mound?

We could send Fontenot out there. With as short as he is, it might catch the Bucs off guard when the pitch is still RISING as it crosses the plate >8)

by Shawon O Meter on Apr 10, 2008 3:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dome

learn the gyroball yet?

FU-KU-DOH-MEH! clap, clap, clap-clap-clap!!!!

by tony412 on Apr 10, 2008 4:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A little off-topic

but how hot is Jason F'in Kendall right now?

Line: .538/.567/.731

That's one hot streak if I've ever seen one

"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk

by NittanyCub on Apr 10, 2008 3:36 PM CDT   0 recs

Kendall making Brewers pitching better too

Kendall credits LASIK surgery for his improved hitting.

by santo4hof on Apr 10, 2008 4:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Funny...

...laser correction didn't do a DURN THING for *my* hitting.

by Shawon O Meter on Apr 10, 2008 4:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're an anomaly,

like Neo.

"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk

by NittanyCub on Apr 10, 2008 4:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jerry, two things...

Corey got the benefit of bad defense, and even worse relief pitching up in Milwaukee to inflate those stats. His at-bats have not looked that great.

That said, I did see him walk on 4 straight pitches last week. I had to look out the windows to check if pigs were flying.

by Damen Jackson on Apr 10, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That Kendall is soooo hot right now...

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on Apr 10, 2008 4:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs