Lieber-ation
by Al on Apr 11, 2008 8:27 AM CDT
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I wasn't in favor of the Jon Lieber signing when it was announced last fall. "What do we need him for?", I thought. "We already have plenty of starting pitchers."
If not for Lieber the Cubs might have lost two of three in Pittsburgh -- he threw 7.1 scoreless innings in the series in two appearances, racked up wins in both of them, and currently leads the team in wins (tied with Kevin Hart), and is third in innings pitched despite not having started a game, and has allowed only two runs, both unearned, this season so far.
That's what we need him for... and pretty soon, if Rich Hill doesn't get his act together, Lieber may wind up in the rotation. And that's not just me or you talking, it's Lou:
Asked whether he might take Hill out of the rotation to let him work out his issues, given a wealth of starting depth in Lieber and Sean Marshall, Piniella suggested that would be an option."I'm going to sit down and talk to our pitching coach about that," Piniella said. "I want what's best for Hill. We've got to get him straightened out. That's the important thing."
With Lieber -- and Sean Marshall, who may throw on Sunday if Jason Marquis isn't over his case of strep -- in the bullpen, the Cubs do have options if starters fail.
Hill failed last night, walking four and allowing three hits and three runs in three innings, throwing 72 pitches, but Lieber held the Pirates down while the Cubs exploded for five runs in the sixth inning; Geovany Soto's two-run HR off Matt Morris gave the Cubs a 4-3 lead and they never looked back, winning 7-3, and I was a little surprised to see Kerry Wood in the 9th inning in a NON-save situation. Closers often have trouble when they can't put up that counting stat (Ryan Dempster was an excellent example of this when he was the closer), but Wood had no trouble putting the Pirates down. Soto, for his part, had three other hits -- two doubles and a single -- and raised his average to .333. Mike Fontenot also homered. Where does a guy that small get that much power (lifetime SLG .415)?
The Cubs have now won six straight against Pittsburgh (including a three-game sweep at Wrigley Field last September), and this is good news because nine of the next 41 games will be against the Pirates. This year's wacky schedule has the Pirates at Wrigley Field next weekend -- and then again the third weekend of May, followed by a return visit to PNC Park the weekend after that.
Speaking of PNC, it's a beautiful place, as those of you who have been there know, an excellent spot to watch baseball. But the Pirates franchise is going to be in trouble if they keep drawing like they did the last two games of the series. Despite good early-April weather, less than 10,000 attended each game (9,798 last night, 9,735 the night before, which tells you what the Bucs' season ticket base must be) -- and a fair number of those were Cubs fans. Even some of the Cubs noticed:
"I wouldn't say it's difficult, but it's not as enjoyable," Derrek Lee said. "You like the crowd excitement, the noise. Opening Day here was great. But [the small crowds] are kind of different."With only a few thousand fans in the stands near the end of Wednesday's 15-inning game, almost every voice could be heard in the dugout. Manager Lou Piniella even had to have some words with some rude fans.
"About the 14th inning, I think three young men had had enough beers," he said. "I just told 'em to watch the game, nothing more."
Lee was used to playing in front of small crowds in Florida and admitted, "it's easy to fall flat in that atmosphere."
I would have posted this recap last night, given that the game was only about half as long as the previous two, but, having gotten used to extra-inning games, I got interested in watching a couple of them on... Extra Innings. (They're sure getting enough of those so far this year!) And in one of them, the Mets' 4-3 win over the Phillies in 12, ex-Cub Angel Pagan drove in the winning run with a two-out single. Pagan is hot right now, hitting .370 with 9 RBI, but don't expect that to continue.
Finally, after Soto's HR, he came out to catch the next inning and I got a good look at his chest protector, which has the large letters "GEO" right on the top. What's up with that?
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Well...
Jon Lieber was a great signing. I said it at the time. Somehow, someway I bet he is in the starting rotation for good soon.
Prior to yesterday's game I was shot down on this board for suggesting that Rich Hill had better start throwing strikes or his job status is in trouble. Well, guess what. There is no denying that Hill has great curveball. But if his control is off and he can't also get his very pedestrian fastball going, then he is in trouble. Teams are laying off his curveball right now. The imperative is to get that curve over the plate. And come up with a quality third pitch.
A good pleasing win to wrap up a series sweep.
by MDBNIU on Apr 11, 2008 8:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fontenot
I too am surprised with his power pack in a small package but for those who debate his worth on this team I think he is proving the naysayers wrong. Good attitude, hustle, team guy, can steal a base, punch out a single, bunt and surprisingly hit for a little power. We could do worse for a guy off the bench. Here's to the little guy making it happen!
Another comment I made to a fellow fan during the game. We have quality depth in our lineup and as long as 2 or 3 guys hit the ball, we'll score runs every night (I hope). Soriano-Lee-Ramirez-Fukudome-DeRosa-Soto-Johnson-Theriot is a pretty solid lineup. Let's keep hot!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Apr 11, 2008 8:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fontenot
The problem with Fontenot is that he is limited to playing 2nd base, and isn't a very good 2nd baseman. The only a 5 man bench the premium is on versatility. It's why Matt Murton is spending his spring in Des Moines.
by MDBNIU on Apr 11, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When your 2nd baseman
Can go over and play third what's the difference? We have Cedeno to back up short, Fontenot will never go there as long as Cedeno is on the roster. I know what you're saying and it would sure be nice if Fontenot could go in the outfield, or at first or short, but we have backups-good ones- at those positions so he is what he is, a backup 2 bagger that comes off the bench to pinch hit and pinch run. That's how this team is constructed.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Apr 11, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fontenot
Last year I thought Fontenot had a better bat than Theriot. I still think he does. He has more power. Fontenot's problem as MDBNIU mentions is he's not versatile. If he was a better SS, he'd be getting a lot more playing time. As primarily a 2nd baseman, his offense is marginal and definitely doesn't compare to DeRosa.
by rlpete on Apr 11, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to see
the Cubs bust this one open so we didn't have another extra inning nail biter. Lieber is the man!
Al, remember that game in ST where Hill didn't make it out of the 2nd inning? Same situation, looked like he couldn't hit the strike zone if it was as big as a hockey net. I didn't see his performance last night as I was still at work, but do you think it could be a physical problem? Some "injury" or condition that is throwing his mechanics off?
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by BigJohnAZ on Apr 11, 2008 8:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's possible.
You're right, he looked exactly the same last night as he did during that ST game. They ought to have this checked out. How's his velocity?
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by Al on Apr 11, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read somewhere
That Hill was working on his mechanics/pickoff etc and if the Cubs team guys didnt stop him hed throw all night. So IMO hes not hurt.
Sorry no link
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by Hammer on Apr 11, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he has trouble...
...staying focused on the right things and he goes through periods where he doubts what he is doing.
Usually, when you see a guy who can be real good, and then real bad, it's usually their approach vs a physical issue.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Apr 11, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for "Geo", Al...
That was noticed quite a while ago and is why a lot of people on here call him as such. I think it's a cool nickname!
by Fukumania on Apr 11, 2008 8:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It is.
I hadn't noticed that myself before. Of course, it's hard to see that from the bleachers!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 11, 2008 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd much rather be missing nicknames in the bleachers! Jealous!
by Fukumania on Apr 11, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe his chest protector was made...
...by the defunct GM arm that made all those junky subcompacts and rollover-prone fake SUVs?
by mistersite on Apr 11, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I saw GEO from the very first call up. I assume he wore it in Iowa too.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Apr 11, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes... he wore it in Iowa...
... I noticed it last summer...
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by IowaCubs- on Apr 11, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GEO
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
by flachimesa on Apr 11, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geo is
his nickname. Most catchers have either their full name, last name, nickname, uniform number, or a combination of those on their chest-protector collar. The company that the catcher has a contract with will put that there. It is similar to fielders having their name etched in their glove, or a players name on their bat. The company they are signed with will personalize their gear however they like
by stadiumguru on Apr 11, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh.
Never noticed that before this year.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 11, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
it's been around for a few years now. There was a uni-watch article about it a while back, and I'm trying to find it, but I'm not having much luck.
by stadiumguru on Apr 11, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
love the Uniwatch
Here's the archive, too many to look through though
http://sports.espn.go.com/keyword/search?searchString=Paul_Lukas&source=l_navbar
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by tony412 on Apr 11, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's
the link:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=lukas/060817
by stadiumguru on Apr 11, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops
well, that might work if you include those numbers, otherwise go to the link tony412 posted, go to the second page, and search for "Chest High" from August 14, 2006
by stadiumguru on Apr 11, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the link
Pretty cool article.
by false cognate on Apr 11, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was surprised Lou used Wood last night
does that mean he is unavailable for tonight. Thought they were trying to avoid using him on three straight days.
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by DC Cubbie on Apr 11, 2008 8:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wood threw 16 pitches last night, 9 strikes.
So he may be unavailable tonight.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 11, 2008 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who Else Was There...
... available to pitch? I thought going into last night, we had Lieber, Howry, Marshall and Wood. He didn't want to extend Howry any more, and Marshall likely isn't conditioned yet to go back-to-back.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Apr 11, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also I think there's a possibility
that Marshall may need to start a game this weekend if Marquis is still sick, so that may have contributed to him not being used last nite
by philadelphiacub on Apr 11, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
Bob Howry threw three pitches last night. Why couldn't he have gone another inning?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 11, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Likely Because Piniella...
...didn't really want to use him last night.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Apr 11, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Lou deliberately put him in a non-critical situation to let him work on some stuff. Give him just a little bit more confidence, and let him prove himself a little bit more.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 11, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Lou's done this sort of thing several times: if a reliever struggles in one game, put him in the next one to get his confidence back.
by John Q Freejazz on Apr 11, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was so glad to see Lou...
pull Hill when he did...and Lieber did an outstanding job! He's going to prove to be a great signing. Hopefully Hill gets it together, but at the same time I feel fortunate to have the SP depth that we do. Props to Soto (and Fontenot) for the obvious.
I saw the GEO too...i guess he likes his stuff personalized. I bet he got some hell in the clubhouse when he broke that out. Meaning some vets gave him a hard time thinkng he was some superstar rook or something :)
You ARE freaking out MAN!
by crw89 on Apr 11, 2008 8:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was happy when that happened
-- pulling Hill, I mean. We all felt that Lou waited too long in game 2, for example. With the bullpen we have, we can move pitchers off the mound when we need to. We don't HAVE to keep them in, giving up 2 or 3 runs an inning.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 11, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Double Switch!
Hill obviously didn't have it and Pie looked as clueless as ever.
How does a major league batter strikeout looking at a 87 mph fastball down the middle? I have high hopes for Pie, but that kid's head is way screwed up right now. Just look at his reaction in extras on Wed-- a little much for a bloop over the shortstop's head, eh?
Lou took em both out at the right time and both Lieber and Johnson helped in big ways. Viva Lou.
HAPPY 100th ANNIVERSARY, CUBS FANS!!!!
by section229beer on Apr 11, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plenty of batters have been called out on strikes...
... on pitches just like that, when they guess wrong.
The Cubs won the game. But Pie's never going to succeed if he doesn't get regular playing time.
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by Al on Apr 11, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plenty of players have been called out on strikes,
but when it looks so easy to strike them out, they don't stick around for long. It's sort of a catch-22, Pie can't suceed at the plate when he don't get regular playing time, but Pie can't get regular playing time when anybody else put in center field is hitting better then him. The Sox tried the sink or swim attitude in centerfield two years ago with Brian Anderson
Morris had three strikeouts-- Pie twice, Lieber once.
HAPPY 100th ANNIVERSARY, CUBS FANS!!!!
by section229beer on Apr 11, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to wonder a bit...
...if the 8-hole is the right place for Pie. His back-to-back AB's were pretty key in stranding the runners, w/ the pitcher Hill in the on-deck circle.
His last AB was pretty tell-tale: With 2 outs and runners on, Morris could have easily pitched around him to get to Hill. He chose to throw to him, struck him out looking, and saved the pitcher's spot in the lineup as being due up first the next inning. (Lou 'fixed' that by plugging in w/ the double-switch, of course).
Even if he comes up with only one out and runners on, Pie recording an out essentially becomes two in that lineup spot w/ the pitcher to follow (except, perhaps, Zambrano/Marquis).
I mean, I realize that the same can be said for ANYONE batting in that 8th spot, but would the suggestion of moving him to, say, 7th in the order make any sense?
by Shawon O Meter on Apr 11, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie was excited
because he was in a lefty lefty matchup with two outs in the 15th inning and the hitter prior was just walked to get to him, he came through and I applaud his excited there.
The first at bat yesterday was a good battle and Morris got him on one of his better backdoor curveballs and the second one got him on a nice two seam that started in off the plate, he couldnt have dont much with that. And yes, I am defending Pie, who hasnt had a good enough chance yet IMO
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"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 11, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
how the hell can you fault a guy for being pumped up about a game winning hit in extra innings are you serious? the kids first game winning hit of his mlb career after hed struggled the first week+ of the season, yeah i think hes going to get excited.
lou also made the BAD call of leaving johnson in the first regular season game in the ninth. pie should have been in for defense, instead reed gets a bad read on the ball and it goes over his head, if bixler wasnt an idiot lou and reed would have lost that game for us. pie should have been in for defense in the ninth inning of a tie game, no excuses.
Aramis 5 BB - 3 K, he's come close before, I'd love to see a season from a Cubs player with more walks than strikeouts.
by kylejo on Apr 11, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
should read, "first extra inning game of the series" not "first regular...
Aramis 5 BB - 3 K, he's come close before, I'd love to see a season from a Cubs player with more walks than strikeouts.
by kylejo on Apr 11, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How the hell...
Felix reacted as though his life was on the line, not just his career.
Game winning-- whatever. Ramis thought he'd won the game, too, with a homerun.
My point was Pie's overreaction is evidence that his self confidence is low and he's desperate.
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by section229beer on Apr 11, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder why his self confidence might be low.
Let me go ahead and see if I can figure out why a guy who's just sat on the bench for three games straight might have his self-confidence flag. I'll get back to you if I can figure it out.
by cwyers on Apr 11, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is not...
...being asked to do something many other young players haven't done, and that is to show you are starting to get it, even though he isn't playing full-time.
I also don't think it is easy (for a club aspiring to make the world series), to just write a young guy in the lineup everyday if he is struggling. It's not always the fact that he needs to get a bunch of hits, but he does need to show he is having better AB's.
Pie is going to get playing time, and he will need to take advantage of it. But this is not about giving Pie the CF job the next 2 months sink or swim, it's about winning games. No one knows how close this race is going to be in September, and I don't blame Lou for putting the players out there that give the team the best chance to win each and every game.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Apr 11, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference between Pies and Ramis
Is Rami has done that before (evident in his admiration after hitting it)
"low and he's desperate" It could be but I disagree. Hes 22 years old.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 11, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that his age is a part of it
I'm afraid of watching another CoPat. Felix has the same deer-in-the-headlights look.
Why should sitting three games make Pie upset?? At the beginning of spring training his primary competition was Sam Fuld. Does that mean he earned the starting spot? He's striking out 1 out of 3 at bats. He's not getting on base. He's not hitting for power when hits the ball. He's swinging at balls out of the zone and taking matt morris-type fastballs down the middle. That's afffecting his confidence more than sitting.
He's got a tremendous upside, but right now he's not meriting any playing time. I say play Reed Johnson until his wheels fall off, then get back to Pie. The whole point of having Johnson on the team is to take the pressure off of Pie if he's struggling, and now is that time.
Felix will eventually "get it", but he's not doing that right now. On my team, he'd get occasional late inning defensive work and a start every week or two until the quality of his at-bats improves. I agree, too, with Shawon that the 8 hole isn't the best place to hide him.
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by section229beer on Apr 11, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pie has to play though
you will ruin his development if you just sit him on the bench. against righties, pie should play. its not like reed johnson's offense is going to be THAT much better. sure, he'll hit for a higher batting average but singles are singles, having reed in the lineup instead of pie really isnt going to make a huge difference.
the quality of pies at bats will not improve if he starts once a week, its kind of a vicious cycle thing but the fact is, he has to play. if lou is convinced he cant cut it, send him back to iowa, but do not leave him on the bench as simply a defensive replacement.
Aramis 5 BB - 3 K, he's come close before, I'd love to see a season from a Cubs player with more walks than strikeouts.
by kylejo on Apr 11, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al -
The GEO is what all the guys call him. Even though his name is GIO, for whatever reason they pronounce it with a long E thus GEO.
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by HIGGY on Apr 11, 2008 8:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like it! He keeps up the hitting and we might see some "Geo" jerseys out there in Wrigley.
by Fukumania on Apr 11, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That, or...
... some nut in the bleachers wearing a chest protector with his shirt off.
(insert bad mental images here)
I hope I didn't just start a trend right here...
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by IowaCubs- on Apr 11, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 11, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a 26 y/o male
definitely my favorite picture you've posted! bada bing bada boom!
by cubsonWGN4ever on Apr 11, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I aim to please...
and I shoot to kill.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 11, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a word-jumble away from EGO!
Though, right now I don't see that being an issue with Soto.
by Gucci on Apr 11, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me either. Seems like a very good clubhouse youngster and willing to listen and learn.
by Fukumania on Apr 11, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely.
It's just that I've never seen a catcher wear a chest protector with his nickname on it before.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 11, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yadier Molina
with the Cardinals has "Yadi" on his
"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07
by RynoHoF on Apr 11, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Just in case some other catcher wants to steal it?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 11, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, ya never know...
ballplayers just aren't making as much as they used to these days :) Seriously though, my best guess would be that the company (Wilson?) probably gave it to him that way.
"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07
by RynoHoF on Apr 11, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is more of a cool thing than a security thing.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Apr 11, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like my mommy writing my name on the inside of my tighty whities...
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Apr 11, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wrong... just wrong...
lol
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by IowaCubs- on Apr 11, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Probably Learned That...
...since he has like 3 brothers who are catchers, too, no?
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Apr 11, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
...I think it's become fairly common recently to have a name on the front. Jorge Posada has "POSADA," for example.
by John Q Freejazz on Apr 11, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His name is Geovany...
So Geo is the natural shortening.
by SouthernCub on Apr 11, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I wouldn't exactly say Woody dispatched the Bucs with "no trouble" last night, but hey...outs are outs.
by Fukumania on Apr 11, 2008 8:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What trouble did he have?
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Apr 11, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No trouble per say, but I wouldn't say he was dominate. But no hits, that's the main thing!
by Fukumania on Apr 11, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And no walks.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Apr 11, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he walked one? I may be mistaken, had a long day yesterday.
by Fukumania on Apr 11, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No walks.
No strikeouts either, but he got the outs without allowing any baserunners.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 11, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard-hit balls...
A deep fly out to center, and a hard ground ball to 2B. It wasn't an overwhelming performance, but it was certainly good enough. He didn't have his best command.
by SouthernCub on Apr 11, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily trouble...
...but he got behind on every hitter, his velocity wasn't consistently in the range it has been in lately, and the balls were hit pretty hard. I was glad to see him throw a 1-2-3 9th, but it wasn't a dominating, strike-out-the-side type performance.
by John Q Freejazz on Apr 11, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GEO
I remember the GEO on this chest protector from last year.
Lieber has been huge this year.
Anybody else starting to feel OK about this team? They are grinding out wins without the big guns firing.
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by IndyDiehard on Apr 11, 2008 8:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well like they said in the booth, good teams win against teams they SHOULD beat. Looking good so far. The Philly series will be a big test.
by Fukumania on Apr 11, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fukumania
Just saw that you are a NO Hornets fan. I went to highschool with Ryan Bowen (forward bench player) in Iowa.
"Sometimes an intelligent man is forced to be drunk in order to spend time with fools." -Hemmingway
by IndyDiehard on Apr 11, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a basketball player called Ryan Bowen?
That explains a lot. Last year, various announcers (and BCB posters) would mistakenly refer to the Cubs' short-term catcher as Ryan Bowen, instead of Rob. Couldn't figure out why.
"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome
by JohnM on Apr 11, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very cool! Yeah, my wife's from Baton Rouge and we're very highly tied to NO, thus the Saints and Hornets affiliations. Geaux NO!
by Fukumania on Apr 11, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
Went to a NO at Pacers game couple weeks ago to see him play. He never got off the bench. There would be no other reason to see a Pacers game. At least not without a kevlar vest anyway.
Anyway.... Back to the Cubs.
"Sometimes an intelligent man is forced to be drunk in order to spend time with fools." -Hemmingway
by IndyDiehard on Apr 11, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats funny
I went to high school with his wife......saw him play out here in Denver a lot when he was with the Nuggets.
All things great in 2008!!
by By Santo's Grace on Apr 11, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ft. Madison...
... right? ...
Hector Villanueva's Career Stolen Bases: 1
by IowaCubs- on Apr 11, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will go as far as pitching takes us
Pitching is king in baseball. The success of this season will be mostly dependent on how our pitching does, most notably the starting rotation.
by MDBNIU on Apr 11, 2008 8:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Al I think Lieber-ation might catch on, that's quite catchy.
by Fukumania on Apr 11, 2008 8:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Second hottest team in baseball
after the Diamondbacks right now. Lou said before the game that Wood was one of the available pitchers last night, so I wasn't surprised to see him. Also, even though it wasn't a save situation, it was one of those "get back up on the horse" opportunities after his blown save the night before.
Glad to see the Phillies had to use five relievers last night and play three extra innings.
"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome
by JohnM on Apr 11, 2008 8:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I must have missed that. That's always a good thing. Marquis makes me nervous every time. Here's to scoring 8 runs again!
by Fukumania on Apr 11, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with MDBNIU
Hill cannot survive in this league with just a curve and fastball. He supposedly has a changeup, but I've never seen him use it. He needs another pitch so they can't just sit on his fastball.
by Rick B on Apr 11, 2008 9:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
100% agreed.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 11, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers can, I don't think Hill can. He's too smart for his own good, and too young to just let his instincts take over. It's a shame because his curve is darn nasty when he's pitching well.
by Fukumania on Apr 11, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill isn't that young
Yes, he is young in terms of major league experience, but he is 28 years old. It seems like he is just a head case. As soon as something starts going wrong, he seems incapable of hunkering down and stopping the bleeding. I like Hill, he obviously can be a very good pitcher. I really hope he can turn it around because I think we need him to have at least as good a season as last year.
He finally got the run support last night too.
"You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called "Arthur King," you and all your silly English K-nig-hts." - French Knight
by gwood on Apr 11, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
someone who really knows how to pitch can. johan throws fastball, changeup almost exclusively, but he knows how to pitch. hill could get away with it, he's just not smart enough to it seems.
Aramis 5 BB - 2 K, he's come close before, I'd love to see a season from a Cubs player with more walks than strikeouts.
by kylejo on Apr 11, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw him use it last night
Bob missed it and was talking about how the hitter was way out in front guessing fast ball. It was an 82MPH changeup up in the zone that was whacked foul.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 11, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then again...
...if he can't get his fastball over for strikes (like last night), it doesn't matter if he's got 10 different pitches.
Good point though, Rick.
by Shawon O Meter on Apr 11, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill is obviously concerning but so is Lilly...
...ugh. I think Hill is "replaceable" in the short term, but Lilly isnt. Ted needs to get his act together as well...
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on Apr 11, 2008 9:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lilly will gravitate towards his career numbers...
...which is what you are seeing after last year. What you don't have to worry about with Lilly is his competitive nature, and that alone will make him productive enouph to be a 3 or 4th starter.
Hill is a different story, as he lacks the ability to pull it together when he struggles.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Apr 11, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lieber = second-best offseason pickup
Fukudome, of course, may well be the best offseason pickup in the entire major leagues.
Stay healthy, guys...
by MN exile on Apr 11, 2008 9:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen. If this team stays healthy, there should be no reason why we aren't at least in contention for a playoff spot be it divisional or wildcard.
by Fukumania on Apr 11, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lilly's average
fastball has lost velocity and his command has taken a vacation also. That means big trouble for us...
by crazymountain on Apr 11, 2008 9:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well think Howry
Howry picks up about 4-5MPH as the year goes on. He'll be OK
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 11, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it's over
Trade Lilly now. He's done.
by rlpete on Apr 11, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
On 4/4/2008, I posted this.
I am not looking for a medal, or a pat on the back, call it a lucky guess.
That said, here's to a continuation of our winning streak!
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Apr 11, 2008 9:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lets hope in 5 days, we can look back at this post! :)
..I like your prognostications!
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on Apr 11, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If You Like My Prognostications...
...you'd love my procrastinations!
Let's go get 'em.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Apr 11, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone know...
Al's email on the left tool bar? My computer won't let me email him directly from that link? Isn't it Al@bcb.com ?
by coral on Apr 11, 2008 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It Is...
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Apr 11, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's really strange.
What happens when you click on the email link?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 11, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lieber's role
I agree with those who say it makes sense to give Lieber a starting job if Hill or Marquis falter. But I would regret it somewhat, because Lieber is so useful in his current role. I really admire the way Lou is using him. In an age where "long" relief usually means a pitcher goes 1.1 innings, to let a guy come in and throw more than 4 innings is great to see. If necessary, Lieber could even throw 6 or 7 innings of relief, it seems to me. That means if the starter falters in the first, you have a guy who could basically "take over" the start, as Lieber did yesterday, and save the rest of the pen. It's been a long time since the Cubs had someone like this.
The counter-argument, of course, is that if pitchers like Hill and Marquis continue to need a lot of bailing out, it's time to just put Lieber in their place.
"Hey hey, kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau, May 17, 1979
by danimal15 on Apr 11, 2008 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I said this earlier...
Lieber out of the pen gives the Cubs a safety net if/when pitchers like Hill or Lilly fail. It is really nioce to have that. I almost wish we COULD get another starter so he could stay in that role. I think Brenly called him the "dirt man" last night? What a crappy role. Not often a win or save...just innings pitched. Still most valuable and he gets my vote for MVP over the last series.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Apr 11, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was watching Hill's velocity closely last night...
And I don't think he broke 89mph with his fastball. Some were as low as 86. Last year I know he could hit 95, so something is off. Looking at his release it looks like he's trying to guide it. Not good. But it could very well be a confidence issue more than anything else.
by Jerry Mumphrey on Apr 11, 2008 10:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's what Lou said.
Said Hill was "aiming the ball". Obviously you can't do that. But if his velocity is down, then there might be an injury issue. Hope they have him checked out.
I'm guessing if Hill is hurt and has to go on the DL, Marshall will be his replacement, to keep two lefties in the bullpen.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 11, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know
he is also letting go of that hook way too early...or over correcting that problem and doing it too late. His curve ball was high most of the time and then it would be buried in the dirt.
He looks bad!
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Apr 11, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Rich Hill's fastball has never gotten into the mid 90s. His fastball is very pedestrian and has historically topped out in the high 80's. He uses his fastball to spot his money pitch, the big breaking curveball. Problem for him right now is that he can't get the curveball over the plate and hitters are sitting back waiting to pound the crap out of his fastball.
Barry Zito Lite right now. Fortunately he doesn't cost the Cubs $100 million plus like Zito costs the hapless Giants.
by MDBNIU on Apr 11, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree...
I don't remember his fast ball being overpowering, simply a pitch that locks up hitters looking for the hook, or vice versa. A pitch to set up that hook.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Apr 11, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree, but its not about the speed
...its about command and location of the fastball, which he doesnt have at all right now. I think he starts to press and it all unravels quickly.
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on Apr 11, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Half-true...
His fastball topped out in the low-90s last year. He'd hit 91-92 pretty regularly. But it's true that he never hit mid-90s with his fastball. It could be that the Cubs have a fast gun and the Pirates have a slow(er) gun. Or it could be that there's random variation in Hill's velocity from time to time.
But yes, his fastball has never been a money pitch. He uses it to set up the curve. When he has command of both pitches, he's lethal. If not, well, he looks like he did last night.
As for the Barry Zito comparison, I'd say Hill looks more promising. Hill definitely has more MPH on the fastball than Zito (who now tops out at around 85 or so). I don't expect Hill to match Zito's numbers from his heyday, but moving forward I don't think Zito looks substantially better (if at all).
by SouthernCub on Apr 11, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ive never seen him throw 95
but you may have seen it so Ill believe it. Mike Reilly behind home plate last night I thought screw himself by not calling the inside pitch the HIll was locating fairly well. He was consistent thought
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 11, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Thought He Topped Out...
...at 92.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Apr 11, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I thought.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 11, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill has never been...
...a 95mph fastball pitcher, ever. When he is relaxed and just throws, he is usually in the 88-92 mph range, which is fine as long as he is getting his breaking ball over the plate.
His problem is this; when he can't throw strikes with his breaker, he starts pressing and the lug nuts start to loosen.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Apr 11, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The low crowds can be blamed on
the Penguins are in the Stanley Cup Playoffs. Pittsburgh loves their penguins, but that only explains the low attendance on wednesday. I don't remember if the Penguins played last night or not.
"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth
by TkGoUWGB on Apr 11, 2008 10:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Penguins Did Not Play Last Night
The Penguins did not play Thursday. They play again Friday against Ottawa. I know Pittsburgh is a football town, but sub 10,000 crowds are inexcusable, especially Thursday with no competition from the Penguins. Is Pittsburgh still a viable MLB market or is it simply too small for three major professional teams (Steelers, Penguins, and Pirates)?
by memphiscub on Apr 11, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steelers are and will be fine in Pittsburgh
If I recall correctly, everyone thought the Penguins were as good as gone before they drafted Crosby. Not sure how they're doing w/ attendance, but great players and, especially, winning normally cures low attendance. Pittsburgh has a great baseball tradition and, from what I hear, one of the best stadiums in MLB. At the same time, they've been terrible over the last 15 seasons. When, or if, they start winning again, I'm sure their attendance will be much better.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on Apr 11, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deadline deal for a pitcher??
Trying to think which pitchers might be available at the deadline for a host of prospects. Joe Blanton is still around but he has been getting rocked so far this season. How soon before Gallagher gets a shot?
I've also been wondering if Theriot can pull the ball?? All his hits are to right field and I wonder if that is by design or not.
by smitster2008 on Apr 11, 2008 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ronny Cedeno
Can hit the ball over the outfielders heads, Theriot really cant do that.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 11, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Blanton
is getting rocked because he's not very good. I know lots of people here have speculated on getting him. I would give Gallagher a shot before even considering overpaying for Blanton.
As for Theriot, I'm sure he'd love to pull the ball if he could. Scrappiness does have it's limitations.
by rlpete on Apr 11, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised
Lou didn't give Soto the day off after catching both extra inning games. but it turns out he was right. It must be great to be 25 years old.
by Clark Addison on Apr 11, 2008 10:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing last night before the game.
I was really surprised to see Soto in the lineup and then he has a career day. Youth is a wonderful thing!
It's good to know that he can handle three tough games in a row for when playoffs roll around.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Apr 11, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PTBNL in Monroe trade
The player to be named later in the Craig Monroe trade is Doug Deeds. http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/christensen/2008/04/11/deeds-traded-to-cubs-to-complete-monroe-trade/
As a Twins fan I am pretty relieved considering how much Craig Monroe sucks. Expect nothing from Deeds.
by SuperRat on Apr 11, 2008 10:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Doug Deeds...the proverbial used infield rake
by MDBNIU on Apr 11, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, no kidding.
Deeds is a 27-year-old outfielder/first baseman. Has a little plate discipline (.374 lifetime OBA) but basically appears to be a poor man's Micah Hoffpauir.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 11, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you mentioned Geo
I asked a buddy of mine yesterday before the game about the names on the chest protectors, he used to be a minor league catcher with the Pirates. Soto has a contract with Rawlings and gets all his catching gear from them and he is then given the option to put his name on it. As we all know he picked GEO. Some catchers have contracts with different companies and depending on that company they can put their name on the equipment.
by rtraugs25 on Apr 11, 2008 10:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the explanation.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 11, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs- Pirates
What's the big deal about the Cubs beating the Bucs 6 in a row... That's what they're supposed to do if they want to be an elite team..With that being said, I was impressed with the moxy they showed after they had given away the lead.
Let's hope they keep it going against a REAL team this weekend..
~md
by Cali2Chi on Apr 11, 2008 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because wins are wins.
How long have you been a Cubs fan again? rofl
by Fukumania on Apr 11, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm.
The Pirates took 2 of 3 from Atlanta (supposedly, a "real" team this year) in their first series, on the road. They're not that good, obviously, but they're not just going to lay down and lose.
The sweep was real nice.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 11, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Pirates
fought back pretty good the first 2 games. They wouldn't die in game 2. Last night they even had the lead until the Cubs blew it open in the 6th. We just happened to have a better bullpen than them to absorb the 27 innings in the first 2 games.
FU-KU-DOH-MEH! clap, clap, clap-clap-clap!!!!
by tony412 on Apr 11, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The big deal
is that the Bucs are a team made up of professional ballplayers at the top of their games....MLB players are very rare, if you haven't noticed. Bay, Nady, Paulino and LaRoche are good major league hitters. Their pitching is erratic, but check the soft toss lefties' records against us. No team can disregard another. When that happens, the wheels fall off the cart.
by crazymountain on Apr 11, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
?!
What's the big deal about the Cubs winning 6 in a row?!
Were you reading the threads on here when we were 0-2!? There much wailing and people throwing themselves out windows...
by Shawon O Meter on Apr 11, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Did anyone else (for some reason) feel good for that Meeks kid pitching when he struck out Lee last night? I was rooting for him. Mostly because I felt the game was in hand.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 11, 2008 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Me too
Getting shelled in your first ML appearance and hearing that you had no business being in the game sure isn't a confidence booster. Glad to see that he could come back out and do okay.
by berselius on Apr 11, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did also.
As a baseball fan you have to feel good for the kid. I didn't so much care that it was at the expense of DLee, but it was good to see him "right the ship."
by Tangled Up In Blue on Apr 11, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pagan..
I alwas liked Pagan. I'm not sure so he can't be a very good major league outfielder. He would have really looked good in center with the Cubs.
Wood for closer.
by wicubfan on Apr 11, 2008 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He Is At Best...
... a 5th OF.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Apr 11, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An opinion is like a...
I guess we'll wait and see. Plenty of guys were labeled as bench guys and turned out as good starters. I just thought that the Cubs gave up rather early on the guy given they had to find someone like Johnson on the last day of spring training.
Wood for closer.
by wicubfan on Apr 11, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am
He'll hang around baseball for the next 4 to 5 years as a part-timer. These guys are always available. See Reed Johnson. Pagan also was not a good centerfielder. His splits also show he is better as a LH hitter so he doesn't work as well as Johnson in a platoon with Pie.
by rlpete on Apr 11, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just saw on on the ESPN ticker
Z is starting today, I would assume because of Jason's flu. Does that bump the whole schedule up from now on?
by Fukumania on Apr 11, 2008 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lilly tomorrow and Marquis or Marshall Sunday
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 11, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Went to a game at Three Rivers once
My memories a bit hazy so don't quote me on the details, but I think it was late in the season, probably early September. Pirates started the day one game back of the Phillies in a battle for first in the NL East. It was a doubleheader though I can't remember if it was a makeup or scheduled that way.
Anyway, Pirates won the first game, so at that point they were tied with Philly for first place. A few innings into the second game, I duck down into the concourse for a refreshment break and I notice a small crowd (25-30 people) gathered near a side wall. I get closer and I can see that they're watching a small portable TV with rabbit ears.
What could be so fascinating to watch on a 12 inch b&w screen with crappy reception in a dark concrete corner smelling strongly of beer and urine that would lure people away from watching their 1st place pirates battle their hated in-state rivals live in person on a beautiful sunshine filled day?
Yep, you guessed it - a Steelers EXHIBITION game!
Ahhh.... those poor poor Pirates of my youth. Not much seems to have changed, fan wise.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Apr 11, 2008 12:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
classic story
no wonder the pirates dont dish out any cash.
Aramis 5 BB - 3 K, he's come close before, I'd love to see a season from a Cubs player with more walks than strikeouts.
by kylejo on Apr 11, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're the same way...
...with their hockey, THAT'S for sure.
I was in Pittsburgh for work, and was waiting for a table at one of their corner neighborhood bars/restaurants. As I was waiting a woman walked in, dressed to the nines...bling, makeup, massive fur coat, everything. Very swanky, the air of the upper-crust about her... She turns to me after she sees there's a wait and asks..."What's the score of the hockey game?!"
I'm pretty much hoping that Chicago gets the hockey bug back in that fashion, w/ the "new" ownership and such... After this season, it seems like we're on the right track.
by Shawon O Meter on Apr 11, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
they've had a horribly bad GM in Littleton (thank you for Rami!!) so they canned him. Now my question is: Why did we hire him as a scout????
by crazymountain on Apr 11, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your preaching to the choir here buddy
i see it ever single game.
steeler jerseys at the baseball game.
terrible towels at the baseball game.
"let's go steelers" chants at the baseball game
Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.
by Bricks and Ivy on Apr 11, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the first game...
...of the season when Lou brought Kerry into the game in a 9th inning tie, people have noted that closers often falter in non-save situations.
I'm wondering if that *really* applies to Woody, since he's a starter by 'birth', and a spot reliever during his only other stint in the bullpen. I've got to believe that the 'non-save' freakout is a completely mental thing...
by Shawon O Meter on Apr 11, 2008 1:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think its an excuse
Nice points.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 11, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering
WHAT THE HELL the Cubs were thinking signing Lieber. Now I know. As far as I'm concerned the Lieber move and the Johnson move were BOTH underestimated. They seem to be working wonders.
SOMEONE SHOOT THAT DAMN PARROT!!!
by Keystone80435 on Apr 11, 2008 1:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Lieber is like Maddux...
get the ball, throw a strike, if they hit it, you have a defense, if they get hits, tip your cap. ALL of our pitchers can learn the most important part of pitching.....STRIKE ONE!!!
by crazymountain on Apr 11, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you know the defense loves the quick pace in which he pitches....
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on Apr 11, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So do the umpires - or am i the only one
by jbowling13 on Apr 11, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think everyone likes that.
I'd much rather see a 2:15 game than a 3:15 game.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 11, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lieber has a better strikeout to walk ratio this year
BB and LK were talking about that last year. Nice.
by cubsonWGN4ever on Apr 11, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PNC Park
We had this conversation in my pictures fanpost about the packed house opening day. I said that I expected half and Al said 2/3.
Well Al, we were both wrong. It was less that 2/3. I'd be suprised if there were more than 7,000 people at the game Wed. and Thurs. The loudest the place got is when they showed the Penguins score on the big screen.
They have monitors at the consession stands to watch the game while waiting in line. I could hear the broadcast from my seat behind the pirates dugout. That is how quiet it really was.
I took pics of the empty seats but I'm sure everyone could see the place on tv.
Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.
by Bricks and Ivy on Apr 11, 2008 3:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lieber
I was a big proponent of the signing from when the rumors started hinting at him.
Jon is a tremendous guy as well as being a good pitcher.
He's a lot like Wood in many ways And apparently a call from Kerry didn't hurt in the process of signing him if I remember an article around the time of the signing.
Funny part of the talk being of Crede on the south side right now. I remember talk of a Lieber for Crede trade in 2002 before he got hurt.
We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 11, 2008 3:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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