Baseball Is A Marathon, Not A Sprint
I know that quite a few BCB readers were at last night's 5-3 Cub loss to the Phillies in Philadelphia, and hopefully later today someone will make a FanPost with a few more details than I can write about from my television-viewing perspective.
The Cubs' five-game winning streak was snapped, but that's no reason to panic (I didn't have a chance to see the game threads last night, but I imagine there was quite a bit of teeth-gnashing going on). We are ten games into a 162-game season; Baseball Prospectus has the Cubs ranked third in their current "power ranking" ($), although I think that might be a little bit too high (and strange, because they have the Reds, Cubs and Brewers ranked 2nd, 3rd and 4th behind the Diamondbacks).
Last night's game, in my view, turned on the strange play in the fifth inning. With two out, a runner on first and the game tied 2-2, Greg Dobbs hit a ball that Kosuke Fukudome (playing CF for the first time) ran down and caught. But then:
"I did catch the ball," Fukudome said through an interpreter. "As I ran past Soriano, the tip of my glove hit his leg or torso. Once it popped out, there was nothing I could do."
Not only can Dome play baseball (although he failed to reach base for the first time), he can succinctly summarize what happened. Lou Piniella came out to argue that Dome held on to the ball long enough for it to be an out, and having seen the replay several times, I agree. However, the umpires didn't, and the Phillies took a 3-2 lead. Who knows what might have happened if that was ruled an out and the game stayed tied?
It didn't, and even though Soriano homered in the 6th to tie the game at 3, Z didn't have it last night, and that was evident in the first inning, after he was staked to a 2-0 lead on homers by Derrek Lee and Aramis Ramirez. He struggled into the 4th with that lead, then coughed it up, and wound up giving up all five Phillie runs and threw 107 pitches in six innings, recalling the bad Z from the first half of last year (only one walk, though).
Sean Marshall and Michael Wuertz kept it close, but the Cubs couldn't score off the Phillies bullpen. And frankly, this offense is in trouble if all it's going to score is on solo home runs. However, I liked the lineup selection last night (Fukudome 2nd), and Dome says it's fine with him. (That notes column also says Tim Lahey cleared waivers and has been returned to the Twins, so if the Cubs want him back, they'll have to make another trade.)
Today, however, is another day, one of the best things about baseball -- if you lose, you don't have to wait too long to make up for it. Rich Hill, however, will have to wait a while to make up for his bad start the other day -- the Cubs will use Monday's off day to skip his turn and he'll be in the bullpen till at least late next week.
Finally, Josh77 posted this link in his Minor League Wrap, but I thought it was good enough to mention on the front page -- former Cub (and Phillie) Doug Glanville, a thoughtful sort who has an Ivy League degree (from the University of Pennsylvania) wrote this excellent NY Times op-ed piece on the Roger Clemens situation, and his ideas on why he thinks Clemens acted the way he did, saying that ballplayers put a "protective shell" around them:
To those outside Clemens’s protective shell, he seems to be fighting ghosts. We must understand that he stopped listening to the outside world a long time ago, partly because ignoring those voices was integral to his survival. So if he seems out of touch, it’s probably because he is out of touch. To "clear his name," he has cast shadows over his immediate family and his closest confidantes with implications of their complicity in tainting his golden-egg status. All for a principle of honor that I am sure he firmly believes in because, like most players, he has been reinforcing it in his own head throughout his career out of self-preservation.
I think Glanville has hit the nail on the proverbial head here. Clearly, this isn't the way most ordinary human beings, you & me, relate to each other. But Roger Clemens has been out of touch with "ordinary" for so long, he doesn't know how to act when faced with reality.
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Isn't the rule...
that unless you drop the ball transitioning from the glove to the throwing hand, it doesn't count as an out?
If so, then the fact that Soriano's body knocked the ball loose makes how long Fukudome had the ball in his glove irrelevant.
by SouthernCub on Apr 12, 2008 8:12 AM CDT 0 recs
By irrelevant, I mean...
that the call is pretty automatic. And the correct call is "no catch."
I could be wrong on the rule, but I believe that I've got the correct interpretation.
by SouthernCub on
Apr 12, 2008 8:28 AM CDT
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Hard to fault the umps on that call
It's really an impossible one to make with complete confidence. Fukudome's glove was shielded by Soriano. What they saw was the ball enter his glove on one side of Soriano, and by the time he reached the other side, it had popped out.
As for Glanville, it turns out he's a pretty decent writer. Who knew?
by gjdow on Apr 12, 2008 8:13 AM CDT 0 recs
Who knew?
I did! That's not the first time he's written on the subject.
"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome
by JohnM on
Apr 12, 2008 8:47 AM CDT
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Ramirez
For me the story line from last night is Ramirez. Sure the back-to back HRs in the first inning were nice, but how about the bad throws, the foul ball he lazily chased down and couldn't get to, and especially his act in the ninth inning. Down 2 runs desperate for base runners, he obviously chooses to swing for the fences instead and admires his long fly ball for 5 seconds and nearly gets himself caught at second. Sure we love the dramatic HRs, but why do we continue to look the other way with the constant selfish play from this guy? If he had a 21 on his back we'd all be screaming bloody murder.
For me poor defense in general lost this game, not a bad call, Zambrano losing his cool or anything else.
by LeeElia's15% on Apr 12, 2008 8:16 AM CDT 0 recs
No question....A Ram infuriated me last night
...First, his shoulder is not 100%, he has an awkward angle on his throws, that looks like he is compensating, two bad ones last night. Second as you mention, the prolonged Manny Ramirez self adulation in the box in the 9th. When he was diving head first into second, he looked petrified that he had really blown that one.
I really hope that Dome rubs off a little on A Ram and Soriano. They could learn alot from his approach at the plate and in the field.
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on
Apr 12, 2008 8:29 AM CDT
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A-Rams throws have been pretty bad thus far.
Clearly, something is wrong there....
Cubs 2008 (6-4)
Home (3-3) | Road (3-1) | 1-Run Games (1-2) | Extra Innings (2-1)
Updated on April 11, 2008
by SackMan on
Apr 12, 2008 8:34 AM CDT
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Interesting point about the shoulder. I hadn't noticed anything awkward, but I'll look closer for that now.
Still doesn't excuse the rest of his baloney though.
by LeeElia's15% on
Apr 12, 2008 8:53 AM CDT
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Has there been any mention publicly? Shoulders are don't get better by themselves
And if true, it would prove DeRosa's value but let me make something clear and this seems to be so common for fans who often place some sort character issue to performance.
Ramirez is one of the most valuable players on this team, he is a difference maker, he has hit many , not occasionally, many power hits in the clutch. He is one of the offensive players who can carry this team for a couple of weeks and defensively he is good and improved last year.
He is not a five-tool player and he appears to get hurt each year. So is he not hustling or is he compensating? But stop this character thing about performance.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on
Apr 12, 2008 2:20 PM CDT
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Amen.
I say implement a fine policy for any admirers to crack down on this ridiculous, "Booya! Look at that. I am aweso...oh, shi...RUN!" crap. Rami's far from the fastest guy on the planet, but to turn a potential standup double into a potential ninth-inning-down-2-second-out is unacceptable.
Kinda sorta an oaky afterbirth.
by neverAcquiesce on
Apr 12, 2008 10:38 AM CDT
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I'd love to witness Lou's handling of ARam after last night
A guy that pulls those types of shenanigans has to tax every ounce of Lou's managerial experience. ARam looks thinner to me this year and I'd hoped that was a sign of commitment. I guess not. You know Lou wants to use him as third base umpire practice--but you also know--that he knows he can't. It's a real interesting situation.
If we had Roberts, the solution would be simpler. DeRo goes to third until ARam gets his shoulder and head straightened and we'd still have about enough offense to contend.
BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"
by cubfever7 on
Apr 12, 2008 9:09 AM CDT
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So ARAM will never be healthy will he.
How exactly did he hurt his "shoulder"? This isn't the first I've heard of it, but I guess I never thought it'd be an issue. He isn't getting on top of the ball and everything friggen sails on him. If it is effecting him to the point where he can't throw the ball 70 feet consistently and he can't chase down foul balls, put him on the DL. Put Derosa at 3rd and call up Patterson.
" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8
by lemon20pie on
Apr 12, 2008 9:45 AM CDT
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Let's face it folks...
...Ramirez is one of those guys that doesn't go after it 100% all the time. I wish it wasn't the case, but watching him for several years, that is part of what he is.
Soriano can be the same way. Neither he or Ramirez are full-throttle guys all the time. I don't blame Soriano for the Fukudome drop, but a more heady player would have had the presense of mind to get out of the way.
It's painful to watch, but virtually every team today has a player or two with loads of talent, that don't always give 100% on every play. It just happens to be one of things about today's game that is accepted, that I don't like.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Apr 12, 2008 9:54 AM CDT
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most of us aware of the fact that ARam will never give it 100%
" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8
by lemon20pie on
Apr 12, 2008 9:58 AM CDT
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oops
heck, he'll never give it 100% 2o% of the time, but my point was, his throws are really awful this year and if his "shoulder" injury really is effecting his throws, then maybe it's better to put him on the DL now and let him rest it.
" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8
by lemon20pie on
Apr 12, 2008 10:00 AM CDT
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Don't You Wish
We played for the Cubs? I love this team so damn much that I know I would give every ounce of my being on every play every day. I just hate the fact that the people with the talent couldn't care less about playing in the MLB, Im not saying that is the case with Ramirez but that does seem to be the case with a lot of players in the bigs
"We Are Not Fair Weather But Foul Weather Fans, Brothers In Arms In Streets and The Stands." -Eddie Vedder, Someday We'll Go All The Way
by ryanbrixenivy on
Apr 12, 2008 12:14 PM CDT
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I didn't get to see last night's game
As a matter of fact, I haven't seen a game all week, as I've been on the road for work internationally (the damn slingbox isn't working for some reason). But, I will say this: I'll take 5 W's in a row anytime. Every streak comes to an end.... but, we can start a new winning streak today!
So, like Al said.... it's a marathon, not a sprint. Let's take this ten games at a time, and win another 6 or 7 out of 10!
Cubs 2008 (6-3)
Home (3-3) | Road (3-0) | 1-Run Games (1-2) | Extra Innings (2-1)
Updated on April 10, 2008
by SackMan on Apr 12, 2008 8:23 AM CDT 0 recs
There... updated the sig!
Cubs 2008 (6-4)
Home (3-3) | Road (3-1) | 1-Run Games (1-2) | Extra Innings (2-1)
Updated on April 11, 2008
by SackMan on
Apr 12, 2008 8:24 AM CDT
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you got 20 bux if you keep that sig updated throughout the year
and you have to post everyday.
" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8
by lemon20pie on
Apr 12, 2008 9:47 AM CDT
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BTW... about yesterday's line-up
While, I'm never fond of putting D Ward on the field (anywhere on the field for that matter), it was nice to see Lou's flexibility: playing Dome in CF, while getting Ward in the line-up.
Dome and Reed Johnson will give us some pretty good flexibility with the line-up. So, barring injury, I think our OF will be fine. It's the middle infield that has me worried. It's bothered me for 3 straight years now. Our starters at 2B and SS are average gloves at best... and on the bench, we don't even have a late inning defensive replacement as Fontenot and Cedeno are both butchers.
We absolutely need to make a deal this year, to either bring in a quality veteran SS for a post-season run, or at least add a top SS prospect to the mix who may be ready for the bigs in 2009.
Cubs 2008 (6-4)
Home (3-3) | Road (3-1) | 1-Run Games (1-2) | Extra Innings (2-1)
Updated on April 11, 2008
by SackMan on Apr 12, 2008 8:32 AM CDT 0 recs
I'd love to see the White Sox tank so they would have no reason to hang on to Orlando Cabrera. Maybe unload the farm for the unnamed and Cabrera at the deadline.
by dr stabbingworth on
Apr 12, 2008 9:25 AM CDT
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I understand there's defenitely room for an upgrade at SS
but what's theriot done wrong in the field that's so bad? I've thought he's done a fine job in the field so far this year, and I never remember him booting balls or anything last year.
by cubsmania on
Apr 12, 2008 9:38 AM CDT
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Also, he has drawn a few walks...
... which, if he could bump his batting average up to, say, .270, would give him a decent OBA.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 12, 2008 10:33 AM CDT
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Ryan Theriot couldn't be hitting .270 right now...
...because it's impossible to get half of a base hit. But let's presume for a moment that he managed to find two more ground balls with eyes and got his batting average on the season so far to .285. This is what his batting line would look like:
.285/.359/.343
That would give him a .702 OPS, which is a step up from where he was last season but still pretty craptacular.
This is all toying around anyway - I have no reason to think that we have any more of an idea of how well Ryan Theriot is going to hit this season than we did before spring training started. (My belief in the abiding power of the sample size is preventing me from using his current slump to tee off on the largest round of Theriot bashing yet known to man - it wouldn't really be fair, as much as I think he doesn't rate to be an MLB starter.)
There has to be a point, however, at which you stop expecting Ryan Theriot to show some magical improvement into something other than an albatross of a shortstop. He is what he is.
[I could have bypassed this all by saying - he hit right around .270 last year, and he stunk on ice then, too.]
by cwyers on
Apr 12, 2008 11:51 AM CDT
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Brings up an interesting point, though.
The difference between hitting .229 and .285 at this point in the season for Theriot is two base hits. Since luck plays a huge role in a distribution of a player's singles, then we can't really credit the difference to anything but random chance. His BABIP is .267, which is low for him. (League average is .290; given his speed and LD%, I'd say it should be a bit higher than that.)
Just one reason among many that early-season stats can, and do, mislead you.
by cwyers on
Apr 12, 2008 12:45 PM CDT
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Theriot is not an awful shortstop defensively...
...but while he doesn't do anything too awful out in the field, it's hard to say he's a defensive asset. He has good hands and is very sure when it comes to fielding the ball. But he does not have very good range, and he has a weak throwing arm for the position.
And it's easier to remember the plays he makes cleanly than it is to recognize and remember the plays he doesn't make because of his lack of range, and then to remember than another shortstop would have made that play.
Again, I think that he's right around average defensively at shortstop. I just don't think that at all compensates for how poor of a hitter he is.
by cwyers on
Apr 12, 2008 11:41 AM CDT
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he's not the strength of our team
but he's not a bad player to be your weakest....or second weakest (pie is right there). I think his at bats have been a lot better recently...working more counts like he did last year when he was hitting well. So I wouldnt be surprised if he has a good stretch coming up. also, he does more than his numbers say for the team....he was big in the pittsburgh series, he got on base and stole a few bags late in the game and always seems to be right there during a rally.
by cubsmania on
Apr 13, 2008 6:26 PM CDT
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Maybe Rammy needs some time off.
If his shoulder is really bothering him he needs to take some time off to let it heal while the season is still young. We will need him at 100% down the stretch and even into the playoffs. I remember when Derosa filled in for him last year and he held down the fort pretty well. I can even remember a few nice defensive plays.
Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.
by Bricks and Ivy on Apr 12, 2008 8:49 AM CDT 0 recs
I know I know
He has two very costly errors already this season....
Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.
by Bricks and Ivy on
Apr 12, 2008 8:50 AM CDT
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Jerry Glanville--we hardly knew ye
Wow-- the number of people with long term MLB experience and the ability to so exquisitely compile and pen the Clemens situation has to be less than the proverbial number of digits on a human hand...really impressive and insightful!
My film reviews: my son and I intended to see the Iowa Cubs take on the Sounds in Nashville's opening night yesterday, but alas, the weather was unkind. We ended up going to see 10,000 BC and 21 instead.
I'd been told that 10,000BC was disappointing. I disagree. It was at least what I expected and more. It has tons of Computer Generated Graphics and not just with prehistoric beasts-- it has plot lines that don't pass the giggle test. BUT..it was cool in many ways and seemed to imply/meld another significant era in history with the early man theme. I can say no more but to tell you that in scope this film is of epic proportions with the magnitude of the scenes and sets.
21: As usual--Kevin Spacey and Lawrence Fishburne were stellar. This isn't an Oscar type movie--but it's darn entertaining and real good.
Fukudome/Youtube: There must be 10 different home movies of the opening day HR by Dome on Youtube. (try a search with Opening day Fukudome)A couple of them simultaneously make me smile and make my neck hair stand up every time I see them. Perhaps my favorite though is called tribute to Kosuke Fukudome and is comprised of high quality opening day still shots overlaying the song "Winning it All" by the Outfield--really, really good work by someone and so inspirational.
BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"
by cubfever7 on Apr 12, 2008 9:00 AM CDT 0 recs
I tried putting the URL on fanshots--
but think I screwed it up. Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1JohHsf2ug
Searching Opening Day Fukudome gets you close --then the one entitled Cubs Opening Day is the still shot/music combo I mentiond--love it!
BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"
by cubfever7 on
Apr 12, 2008 2:00 PM CDT
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I fixed that.
It doesn't show up in the thumbnail, but when you enter the FanShot, it should be there.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 12, 2008 2:27 PM CDT
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Jerry Glanville?
The football coach?
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on
Apr 12, 2008 12:33 PM CDT
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Oopsie Daisy--ole Jerry doesn't write as well
Nothing like having your pants fall down publicly...sorry Doug
BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"
by cubfever7 on
Apr 12, 2008 2:03 PM CDT
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Love the Glanville Column Too
hear he is going to be regular op-ed columnist for the NY Times during the baseball season, hopefully he can provide more of this kind of insight.
by lance dickson on Apr 12, 2008 9:49 AM CDT 0 recs
That's really good news.
Glanville's a really smart guy, well-spoken, and has the "insider's knowledge" of baseball.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 12, 2008 10:33 AM CDT
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Anyone else get the sneaky suspicion
that Felix could be playing in Iowa withing the next couple weeks? Especially if Murton keeps hitting the cover off the ball and DOme doesn't mind alternating between CF and RF.
That catch that he had and dropped, would've been one hell of a catch and I don't think too many everyday CF's would've caught that ball.
" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8
by lemon20pie on Apr 12, 2008 9:49 AM CDT 0 recs
I think it's a possibility
but I would like to see Pie given a solid chance to figure out major league pitching. There is so much upside to this guy. Just imagine a Soriano, Pie, Fukudome outfield (speed, anyone?) with each one contributing at the plate.
Of course, the downside is, how long do you risk the season trying to find out if Pie is going to hit.
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
by BlueSox on
Apr 12, 2008 9:54 AM CDT
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Pie
I have been all for letting Pie sink or swim in center but what Lou apparentely won't tolerate is his approach at the plate. He looks lost up there and is having very few "good" at bats.
Similar situation for Hill, I bet Lou feels they are not listening to his advice.
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on
Apr 12, 2008 9:59 AM CDT
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Disconcerting thing to me with Pie
Is how badly he's struggling against Righties. He really does look clueless up there and maybe the best thing for him is to go back down to Iowa and rebuild some of that confidence. He surely can't do that sitting on the bench.
I know he's proven he can hit AAA pitching but that isn't the reason why I'd send him down. I'd send him down to get consistent ab's and get some confidence back.
I do agree though that he needs a couple more weeks and more starts but like BlueSox said, there's a fine line of letting a player develope at this level and hurting this team's chances of winning everyday. Johnson has already proven he can be an adequate replacement. There's a lot of pressure on Pie to perform and help this team win and he hasn't handled it very well so far.
" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8
by lemon20pie on
Apr 12, 2008 10:06 AM CDT
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I agree
I've wanted him to get a chance but he is being so stubborn. I wouldn't be as impatient with his .182 if he was actually having decent at bats but he isn't, he is giving away AB's. Soto's average in the first week wasn't great but he was hitting the ball hard. The game-winning hit was the first time he cut down his swing a bit and didn’t try and pull the ball. I think he should be sent to Japan not AAA to learn a little more about quality AB's.
Maybe Lou should just say to Pie you have 2 weeks of everyday starts no matter who is pitching, all I want to see is a good approach.
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on
Apr 12, 2008 10:13 AM CDT
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I'll give it about another month...
....and they will make a decision whether Pie can help the major league team, or whether he needs to go back to AAA to get more playing time.
Pie is a good defender and has great speed, but I am not sure his upside as a hitter, is as high as many want to believe.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Apr 12, 2008 10:17 AM CDT
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A month of what?
The playing time he has been getting lately I don't think is really helping him. He looks as lost as ever. Either give him an actually chance or bring up Fuld.
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on
Apr 12, 2008 10:23 AM CDT
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A month of getting partial...
...playing time. If he shows improvement at the plate, he will stick, if he doesn't, he goes down.
The only way he gets more playing time (say 15 of the next 20 games) is to show improvement. Folks, this isn't the AAA team, he is going to have to show improvement with limited playing time, and thats just the way it is.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Apr 12, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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Catch-22
How do you show improvement if you don't get playing time? It's hard to get hits anchored to the bench.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 12, 2008 10:34 AM CDT
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A lot of young players have...
...to go through this Al, without playing full-time.
Sometimes it's not that you aren't producing, it's how you aren't producing, Pie seems far from getting it.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Apr 12, 2008 10:49 AM CDT
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I see your point.
I just think it's way too early for him to be benched, not get regular playing time, etc. As pointed out elsewhere, there are quite a number of established stars who are hitting worse than Pie is. You don't see David Ortiz getting benched.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 12, 2008 12:21 PM CDT
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Again....
...I am not advocating benching Pie. Let him play about half the games against RH Lou feels he can have success against. If he is going to make it, he needs to slowly build his confidence level and have fewer of those days where he is overmatched.
Also, I realize even very good hitters can have a a stretch where they are hitting .180, but there is a difference here. Good hitters don't look as bad as Pie does game in game out, and that is what Piniella is focusing on, not whether he is getting hits. He is looking for any hint that he is making the adjustments, that will allow him to hit .250 or so.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Apr 12, 2008 12:26 PM CDT
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The next week or so...
... not real conducive to his playing time. The Cubs are facing lefties the next 2 days, then will face more next weekend when the Pirates come to town.
Let him play the entire series vs. the Reds, who have all RH starters, and see what happens.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 12, 2008 12:30 PM CDT
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whyyyyyyyyy
are you dead set on defending pie??? my gosh neifi perez and jacque jones play horribly and there ran out of town. pie cant hit whatsoever at all and he's constantly defended. i dont get it.
Go Cubbies Go!!!!!!
by cubsluver22 on
Apr 12, 2008 5:01 PM CDT
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I guess...
and he has put himself in this position but he is going to the plate thinking if I don't get a hit I might not be playing, maybe he is a "mental midget" to quote Rivera but he needs to know he is going to get a legit chance because it isn't working this way.
I love the way Lou holds people accountable but sometimes his trigger may be too quick.
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on
Apr 12, 2008 10:40 AM CDT
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At age 22, my baseball hero...
...Ron Santo hit .227(1962). The next year he made his first All-Star team and was 8th in the MVP vote. That same year (1963) a 24 year old named Brock struck out 122 times while hitting .258 and was then traded in 1964.
I have never been convinced that Felix will be a good MLB hitter, but he needs a prolonged opportunity. Without it, he could be ruined; he's been jacked up and down from Iowa to Chicago enough. Let him play awhile longer--at least another 5 weeks or so until the weather turns. Everyone knows what Matt Murton can do; we really don't on Pie yet.
This is still a team who's core strength is pitching--weakening the "D" may be a poor idea.
BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"
by cubfever7 on
Apr 12, 2008 10:52 AM CDT
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But where would you play Murton?
He would be another OF that tears up AAA pitching and rides the bench.
by crazymountain on
Apr 12, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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Murton has decent numbers against righties
So he could play RF against righties with DOme in CF.
" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8
by lemon20pie on
Apr 12, 2008 10:58 AM CDT
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You lose some defense ofcourse with Murton
in RF but he did play 41 games there last year.
But Murton can hit.
" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8
by lemon20pie on
Apr 12, 2008 11:06 AM CDT
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So can Ward
but he couldn't reach a ball that Fukudome would have caught...and that cost us runs.
by crazymountain on
Apr 12, 2008 11:07 AM CDT
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Ward should never play RF
ever again.
" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8
by lemon20pie on
Apr 12, 2008 11:10 AM CDT
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My point is
that defense is more important. Look at the ball Fukudome "dropped". His glove hit Soriano and the ball came out. If that is Pie, the glove is on the right hand and hits nothing, probably getting the out call and out of the inning. Nobody's fault here, just making an observation. If Pie plays, two pivotal plays would probably be made, changing the game drastically. Without Pie, our defense suffers......
by crazymountain on
Apr 12, 2008 11:32 AM CDT
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Pie needs to start full time
or he can't reach his potential... Wait, isn't that what they say about Murton?
by LT on
Apr 12, 2008 3:02 PM CDT
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That's great...
...and did those Cub's teams have aspirations of making it to the World Series?
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Apr 12, 2008 10:57 AM CDT
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Th eams in the early '60's
definitely had the luxury of playing struggling young players since they were going nowhere. But they did NOT have the luxury of trading a HOF'er due to short sightedness.
BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"
by cubfever7 on
Apr 12, 2008 11:55 AM CDT
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And I really have a hard time seeing
this "upside" people talk about. Yes, he's a very good defensive centerfielder but he's never shown me anything with the bat. as has already been mentioned, he looks completely lost up there. I don't see how sending him down is necesssarily going to help but, one clutch hit aside, he's been killing us at the plate.
Lou has definitely lost what little confidence he had with him.
This idea about letting him play through his growing pains sounds good but, if we hope to contend, we just don't have room for an automatic out right now.
And, as much as I hate to sound cynical, the Cubs record for evaluating and/or developing young talent hasn't exactly been stellar over the last several years.


