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Bronson Arroyo Disease, and Open Thread: Cubs vs. Phillies, Sunday 4/13, 12:35 CT

Chicago @ Philadelphia


Last night, I braved the wilds of Chicago-area expressways and tollways to hie myself out to Naperville to have dinner with some friends.

After dropping off the sherpa (how on Earth do people live out there and drive to work downtown every day? It would drive me nuts), we had a nice evening out, my kids babysitting their three-year-old twins. And thus I missed most of the Cubs' 7-1 loss to the Phillies, only the second time all year they've been totally blown out of a game. Ominously, the other one, the second game of the season on April 2, was also started by Ted Lilly.

And that does concern me. A year ago, many of us were making the comparison between Lilly and Bronson Arroyo, who came to the NL Central in 2006 from the tougher AL East, and had a pretty good year. Lilly's 2007 season wasn't very different from Arroyo's 2006 (Arroyo 2006: 14-11, 3.29, ERA more than a run lower than 2005; Lilly 2007: 15-8, 3.83, ERA more than half a run lower than 2006). However, Arroyo regressed in 2007, going 9-15 with an ERA of 4.23, more in line with his career norms. Lilly has looked pretty bad in his first three starts, going 0-2 with a 9.95 ERA, and 19 hits and 3 HR allowed in 12.2 innings.

We might call this "Bronson Arroyo Disease", and if this is what's going to happen to Ted Lilly, the Cubs are going to have pitching trouble... unless Ryan Dempster continues his good early showing. Because if Dempster doesn't do that, that leaves the Cubs with, essentially, one solid starting pitcher (Carlos Zambrano). It is too early to panic. But it is not too early to be concerned.

I'm not even that worried about the offense, which has been pretty pathetic in this series. It'll get untracked; these hitters are too good not to. It's the pitching that worries me. Bad as the last two days have been, win today and it's still a successful road trip at 4-2.

Notes: Thanks to Jason, a sharp-eyed BCB reader in South Bend, for sending me this photo of what is presumably a Cubs billboard there:

C'mon!

If you're new to BCB this year, this will be the type of post you'll see when there's a day game after a night game, both home and road -- a recap combined with the (first) game thread. There will still be an overflow post, which (at least for the time being) will post an hour and a half after the scheduled game time. Now, onward (and Jason Marquis, please try to remember how you pitched in the first two months of 2007, and replicate that. Thank you).

Today's Starting Pitchers
Jason Marquis
J. Marquis
Cubs
vs. Jamie Moyer
J. Moyer
Phillies
0-0 W-L 1-0
6.75 ERA 4.66
2 SO 4
1 BB 4
1 HR 1
vs. Phi -- vs. Cubs

I'm sure you've had enough of the "Jamie-Moyer-is-older-than-dirt" comments (he is the oldest player in the majors at 45 and was drafted by the Cubs two months before his current teammate Kyle Kendrick was born), but he has been around long enough that Alfonso Soriano, despite having four HR off Moyer, is only hitting .205/.217/.500 against him (44 career AB). Reed Johnson, who will likely get the start again today vs. the lefty Moyer, is .333/.357/.556 facing him (9-for-27, 3 doubles, a HR). I'd also expect Henry Blanco to get a start today (3-for-9 vs. Moyer, and it's a day game after a night game, and Geovany Soto has started all but one game so far).

Both Geoff Jenkins (.313/.405/.531) and Pat Burrell (.357/.486/.536) pound the heck out of Jason Marquis. Advice: pitch around them. (Yeah, I know, master-of-the-obvious.) Jimmy Rollins is still out, and Shane Victorino was placed on the DL after straining a calf muscle last night, so the Phillies are a bit shorthanded today.

Today's game is available, in case you didn't know, nationally on TBS (TBS coverage will be blacked out in Chicago, where you'll see it on CSN). This is the first year TBS, under the terms of the new TV contract that had them doing the Division Series last year, will carry a non-exclusive Sunday afternoon game. Let's hope they do a better job than they did in the 2007 playoffs. For more see the MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)

Baseball-reference.com game preview

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I think we'll see Lieber

in the rotation before Mid-May. I'd personally like to see him in there now.

"The Cubs can't be stopped" -- Me

by lilkimmer77 on Apr 13, 2008 8:09 AM CDT   0 recs

First!!! (side-note)

"The Cubs can't be stopped" -- Me

by lilkimmer77 on Apr 13, 2008 8:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think

Lieber is much more valuable in the role he's filling right now. A guy in the pen who can come in and slam the door when a starter gets hurt/shelled early in a start is indispensable. Leave Lieber where he's at. I say if we're filling rotation spot, bring up Gallagher and slot him in the rotation.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 9:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed!

If Lieber were in the rotation, who else would have saved us in those two Pirates games? Lieber threw 3 innings Monday night and 4 and a third innings on Wednesday. If he were starting, we would only get him every fifth day.

"You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called "Arthur King," you and all your silly English K-nig-hts." - French Knight

by gwood on Apr 13, 2008 9:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But

if Lieber was in the rotation, we might have needed to be saved in the Pirates series. I'm a big Lieber fan and wanted him on the team and in the rotation before most this offseason. But right now there still isn't room for him in the rotation. Dempster is pitching great, Marquis as only had one start so it's too early to pull him, and it's way too early to pull Hill and Lilly.

by cubsfan25 on Apr 13, 2008 10:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Re:

it's way too early to pull Hill and Lilly.

I agree, but...Hill's already been pulled!

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 10:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not really

if he doesn't pitch today he will probably start Thursday, if he pitches today and doesn't totally suck he will pitch Friday. He pretty much is just getting his start pushed back 2 or 3 days to work on some stuff.

by cubsfan25 on Apr 13, 2008 10:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah but

wouldn't you rather have that guy start 30 games for you as opposed to assuming your gonna need him because someone else is gonna get shelled?

"The Cubs can't be stopped" -- Me

by lilkimmer77 on Apr 13, 2008 10:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

False dichotomy.

Lieber stays in the pen and Gallagher starts.

And someone is going to get shelled/hurt. And you are going to need him. It's not an if, it's when...and it's happened twice this week, anyway.

If the Cubs need a starter, bring up Gallagher, or let Marshall start a game or two. Lieber is comfortable in the role he's in now and is performing well. Leave him alone. Gallagher and Marshall can fill rotation holes, that's why they were stretched out.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 10:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lieber

still wants to start I don't think he's comfortable in that role, he's just doing what he's told. Lieber is probably our second or third best starting pitcher right now, and he's not even in the rotation. I like Gallagher but from what I saw from last year and this spring I don't think he's ready yet. So if anyone is gonna go into the rotation it's gonna be Lieber at some point and then Marshall probably will get a chance over Gallagher to.

by cubsfan25 on Apr 13, 2008 10:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If Lieber doesn't like it,

he's got a helluva way of demonstrating his displeasure, by not allowing an earned run thus far. Leave him pissed off, then! He's pitching well in this role. Leave him there. Give Gallagher or Marshall a start.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 10:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But

isn't better to have him starting games, and pitching well the whole day. Instead of having to bring him in when a SP has gotten bombed or rare 15 inning games and hope he holds them? If Lieber was starting and pitching well the whole day we wouldn't be losing in the first place is what I mean.

by cubsfan25 on Apr 13, 2008 10:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's a HUGE assumption.

Just because Lieber pitches well in one role doesn't mean he pitches well in another, plus he can't pitch every day, so, even given the truth of your assertion, you get one more quality start a week, and lose the possibility of coming back because you don't have the door slammer who can pick up middle-inning relief, and you exhaust your bullpen. If you have other options--Gallagher, Marshall, and Hart--there's no need to pull Lieber out of a role in which he's performing well and put him into one where is performance is wholly unpredictable.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 10:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lieber

has pitched well in a starters role most of his career. He has to pitch in this horrible Phillys hitting park over the last few years that made numbers look much worse then he was. There's no reason to believe he can't step in the rotation and be a quality 3-4 starter right now. He started this whole spring and pitched great as well. Having Lieber in the pen like this over the last week has been a godsend to save the pen. But most of the time we aren't going to have starters go only 3 innings and were rarely going to have 15 inning games. So Lieber isn't going to pitch and really help the team this much over the course of the season. He's much more valuable starting and probably giving us a 4.20-4.40 type era out of the rotation IMO. I don't see Gallagher or Hart doing that right now. Marshall might but he has also dropped off the last two years around the 20 start mark so who knows.

by cubsfan25 on Apr 13, 2008 10:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If Gallagher and Hart

can't pitch to a mid-4 ERA, they shouldn't be around. Moving Lieber at this point would be a mistake. The bullpen is already leading the NL in innings pitched, which is not good. Imagine if Lieber hadn't been there to absorb 7 of those innings. It would've taken 2-3 pitchers to do that job. Lieber handled it himself. It's too valuable an asset to have in the pen, especially when you have other options.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 10:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed....

Having Marshall and Lieber in the pen is a great thing, as they can either throw an inning or four....great options from the pen.....

by crazymountain on Apr 13, 2008 10:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gallagher

is only 22 years old right now and hasn't had a fullseason in Triple A. To think he could step in and have a mid 4 era right now is a huge thing to ask from the guy with the way he has struggled against big league hitters last season and this spring. Just because he can't do it right now doesn't mean he won't in the future. So it's no reason not to have him around. I'm still not sure Hart is going to be a big league starter in his career. I think he will at least be a quality reliever, but who knows if he can start in the big leagues. Right now he has a 4 era out of the bullpen. So again having a mid 4 era as a SP seems unlikely right now.

I agree that Lieber saved us the last two days, but the point I'm trying to make is. We aren't going to have back to back 12 and 15 inning games, and were not going to have starting pitchers go 3-4 innings twice in a week very often. This week Lieber has been very valueable, but this week has been very rare. We might have maybe 1-2 weeks like this for the rest of the season. So when that happens, then what do we do with Lieber? He just comes in garbage time when were losing by 4-5 runs or winning by 6-7 runs? Because most of the time thats what the long relievers do. When the guy could potentially be your second to fourth best starter this season there's no reason not to start him.

by cubsfan25 on Apr 13, 2008 11:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

IMO,

Lieber will not prove to be an appreciably better starter this season that either Lilly or Hill, but he will be a starting pitcher, probably by the ASB, at the latest.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 11:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

cubs

looks like the same old cubs.put together a winning streak and then put together a losing streak.the even steven syndrome.

by NOMAR on Apr 13, 2008 9:34 AM CDT   0 recs

it's called baseball

lol

"The Cubs can't be stopped" -- Me

by lilkimmer77 on Apr 13, 2008 10:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Too true.

Baseball is almost as frustrating a game as golf.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 10:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm actually hoping to see

Lieber in there just to see how the Phil's fans react. Lots of fans around me on Friday night were asking about him. It also would've been nice for him to chat with our hitters a little bit about what the Phil's pitchers do, but then again knowing whats coming doesn't always mean you can hit it.

I've got nice seats along the third base side this afternoon. I'm expecting to see the bats come alive a little bit, and actually thinking this is a great time for Marquis to throw a nice 6 innings and get back to "first half form".

I listened to the Phil's pregame last night, they were raving about the Cubs young talent and of course about Derek Lee.

I'm taking the train today because the traffic and parking is as advertised. I'm expecting a W this afternoon.

Go Cubs!!

by philadelphiacub on Apr 13, 2008 10:02 AM CDT   0 recs

I'd like to see

both Hart and Gallagher in the rotation. Whatever is wrong with Lilly and Hill shouldn't be worked on in their starts. Like Lilly himself says, you can't have four side sessions between starts.

by crazymountain on Apr 13, 2008 10:09 AM CDT   0 recs

Gallagher?

From right field :)

"The Cubs can't be stopped" -- Me

by lilkimmer77 on Apr 13, 2008 10:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think Hart is quite ready to start.

He's got a good arm, but he's not a really ready to "pitch" if you know what I mean. I'd like to see Gallgher get a start or two, though.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL! Very true.

But they've got experience to rely on. I don't want to toss Hart out there too soon.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 10:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

TBS Schedule

Can someone provide a link or list of the TBS games this year? Thanks!

by SecondSon on Apr 13, 2008 10:16 AM CDT   0 recs

Here you go.

Click here.

It's complete through May 25; this is the Cubs' only appearance through that date.

Note that you will hear the lovely tones of Chip Caray announcing.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 13, 2008 11:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Soft-throwing lefty = disaster this millenium so far

Why is it that the right-handed dominated Cub lineup usually struggles against soft-throwing lefties? Yes, they see more righties throughout the year etc. etc. but I just don't get it. Jamie M will most likely nibble and throw his changes and the Cubs will flail. Hamels was a different story last night--he was unhittable. But even the lefties that have just ONE speed--slow--seem to baffle us. Let's hope I'm wrong today!!

"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son." -- Dean Wormer

by kentmeister on Apr 13, 2008 10:27 AM CDT   0 recs

Hamels was amazing last night.

Let's hope the Cubs bring the big sticks today against Moyer.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 10:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sounds good!

Perhaps the fundamentally-sound Fukudome will hit a few line drives into the seats. It's so easy to get one out of there.

"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son." -- Dean Wormer

by kentmeister on Apr 13, 2008 10:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

usually

except w/ the wind blowing in hard from left like later in the game last night. that was unusual.

"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son." -- Dean Wormer

by kentmeister on Apr 13, 2008 10:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That wind was really wierd.

I haven't seen anything like that since that wacky Bears-49er's game.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 10:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Also,

Moyer should be easier to run on. I'd like to see the Cubs be aggressive on the basepaths.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 10:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Likely.

His breaking stuff is tremendous when he's on.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 10:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

His changeup...

Is devastating as well. It left our hitters looking pretty silly last night.

"The one that invent the light tried 2,000 times and finally he did it, we have light...I don't want to spend 2,000 times to win Opening Day" Carlos Zambrano

by CubsBullsBears on Apr 13, 2008 10:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep.

Even if Lilly had been on, the Cubs might have lost last night.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 13, 2008 11:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

they got one hit off Hamel in what 7 innings? Even if Lilly has a quality start they probably lose 3-1.

by cubsfan25 on Apr 13, 2008 11:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not sure about multiple

There's a lot of better pitchers in the NL than Hamels. Plus he pitches in a hitters park which kind of inflates some of his numbers.

" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8

by lemon20pie on Apr 13, 2008 10:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I can only think of three, maybe four:

Peavy, Webb, Santana and maybe Zambrano. Hamels is really good, and if he pitched in a home park like Peavy's, he'd be even more effective.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 11:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He is as good as Glavine was in the 90's

same kind of pitcher but Hamels has, in my opinion, better stuff than Glavine did

by crazymountain on Apr 13, 2008 11:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's got a ways to go before

I'd give him that much credit, but he's got that type of talent, for sure.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 11:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

others

I would take Oswalt over Hamels as well and I think Cain could be a very good pitcher for many years. Haren is up there too. Sheets as well if he could ever stay healthy.

There's enough competition where I could see Hamels never winning a CY

" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8

by lemon20pie on Apr 13, 2008 11:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oswalt?

You're crazy. Houston would make that deal right now, straight up. Cain is very good, as is Haren and Sheets, but none of them are as dominant as Hamels, IMO. Sheets, maybe, but he's prone to the bad inning and his arm is made of eggshells and wet toilet paper.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 11:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

IN 8 seasons Oswalt's career ERA is 3.14

His worst season ERA wise was 3.49 and he's pitched over 200 innings in 6 of his 8 seasons. Not too shabby if you ask me and certainly doesn't make me crazy to think he's an elite pitcher who will contend for CY award.

Sure the Astros would take Hamels for Oswalt, mainly because Oswalt is 7 years older than Hamels.

" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8

by lemon20pie on Apr 13, 2008 11:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Look at Oswalt's last two seasons.

He's a good pitcher, but he's not what he was, at all. Right now, he's not better than Hamels.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 11:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Last year

Oswalt had a 3.18 era in 212 IP and was 14-7 on a crappy team. Those are pretty ace like numbers to me. I know he has a 9 era right now, but like Lilly and Hill it's only been 3 starts.

by cubsfan25 on Apr 13, 2008 11:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This proves what about Hamels?

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 11:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oswalts last 2 seasons he put up ERA"s of

3..18 and 2.98 respectively. Both better than Hamels last 2 seasons.

Hamels is a good pitcher but I think you might be undervaluing Oswalt, just a bit.

" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8

by lemon20pie on Apr 13, 2008 11:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Oswalt...

... may be on the way down. It's only three starts, but he has allowed 30 (!) hits in 16 IP, and 5 HR already.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 13, 2008 11:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Perhaps.

Also, I think he's an enormous asshat, so that might be tinting my perspective a bit.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 11:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oswalt

is very very good. He's actually very underrated his numbers are either right there or better then most of the best NL pitchers year in and year out. Right now though Oswalt is struggling as bad as Ted Lilly. Dan Haren has had one ace like year so, with two middle of the rotation type seasons in his career. So I don't put him in the top pitchers in the NL right now.

It's gotta be Peavy, Santana, Webb, Oswalt, Zambrano, Sheets(when healthy) and Hamel. Matt Cain has great stuff, but he hasn't quite lived up to his potential yet.

by cubsfan25 on Apr 13, 2008 11:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lets hope

the good Jason Marquis shows up today. I hope we see a ton of lightly hit ground balls and Marquis goes about 7 innings. Plus lets hope we can score at least 4-5 runs off Moyer today. The first two games of this series have sucked. But if we can win today it will still be a successful 4-2 road trip.

by cubsfan25 on Apr 13, 2008 10:40 AM CDT   0 recs

Marquis has to keep the ball down today.

You're exactly right. Need to see lots of ground balls today.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 10:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It would be nice...

to get Moyer out early. Let's hope he has a really bad day.....

by crazymountain on Apr 13, 2008 11:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Moyer throws

four pitches; a slow one, a slower one, a really slow one and a really really slow one. Our hitters do badly against the soft toss. Note the first inning home runs the other night and nothing but soft toss after that......I think, to get their timing right, we should send our lineup to the plate with a picnic lunch and a six-pack....

by crazymountain on Apr 13, 2008 10:49 AM CDT   0 recs

LOL

You're on too something! Tie their arms up and shoot 'em up with some black tar heroin.

Speaking of Heroin and athletes, well Heroin anyways, anyone see that Nascar driver who admitted he was driving in a race while under the influence of Heroin??? What's even more amazing is I think he finished 5th!!

" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8

by lemon20pie on Apr 13, 2008 10:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hits and Runs predictions

Cubs break out today:

CHC 11 H 6 R
PHI 8 H 4 R

" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8

by lemon20pie on Apr 13, 2008 10:52 AM CDT   0 recs

It will be cold there today

Marquis pitches better in the cold

by coral on Apr 13, 2008 10:54 AM CDT   0 recs

and it's the first half of the season!

so he's got a chance :-)

"Strange women lying about in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!"

by kentmeister on Apr 13, 2008 10:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Living in PA and seeing lots of Burrell...

all you have to do is NOT throw it in that little spot where he can crush it. He WILL draw a walk, but he won't hit one hard that's not in a place through which his seemingly premeditated swing passes. I heard a teammate tease his about this once and my Phillie-fan friends are always lamenting his approach at the plate. Yet still he hit us (and the Mets too for some reason).

"Strange women lying about in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!"

by kentmeister on Apr 13, 2008 11:00 AM CDT   0 recs

Funny story.

Watching the game yesterday with me father-in-law. Burrell swings and misses a pitch, and my father in sort of chuckles and says "He had made up his mind to swing even before the pitcher had the sign." All part of the fun with Pat the Bat.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 11:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yep.

he'd be the greatest adult tee-ball player in history! Kruk also referenced him awhile back, saying you have to adjust and "use your hands" once in awhile

"Strange women lying about in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!"

by kentmeister on Apr 13, 2008 11:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Can you imagine how good

Burrell would be at 16-inch softball? He'd probably hit in the lake half the time.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 11:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Apparently,

with me father-in-law

I am also channeling the Lucky Charms leprechaun. Ye gods.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 13, 2008 11:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs