Them's The Breaks
Sometimes things just go your way and it doesn't make any sense and when that happens... well, you just smile and take it, and be happy.
The Cubs had absolutely no business winning today's game. But here it is, clickable: the Cubs beat the Phillies 6-5 in 10 innings, their third extra-inning win of the season.
Read that carefully, too. Third extra-inning win of the season -- in twelve games. All of last year, the Cubs won only two extra inning games (of ten played). Had they split those games, they'd have been 88-74 instead of 85-77, and would have been only one game worse than the other playoff teams, and we wouldn't be hearing about how "weak" the NL Central was in 2007.
That's an aside to today's game, but has a point, too: in 2007, the Cubs, good as they were, would have probably found a way to lose it. Instead, despite a tremendous amount of really bad play today, they won anyway.
Just how much bad play? Let us count the ways:
- Jason Marquis struggled through five innings, throwing 86 pitches and was lucky to only give up two runs.
- Michael Wuertz was awful. Just awful.
- Alfonso Soriano went 1-for-6. He's hitting .175. Bad as he was last April, after 12 games he was hitting .234.
Instead, the Cubs took advantage of every single break that happened in today's game:
- Mark DeRosa hit a home run. Well, at least that's what the umpires said. The ball was foul, and it wasn't even close. Every single replay (and hundreds of Phillies fans in the seats pointing "FOUL!") showed it was foul. We'll take it.
- Geovany Soto didn't want to swing at a pitch, pinch-hitting in the 8th. But the ball hit his bat and flared into right field and drove in the tying run.
- Carlos Zambrano had to pinch-hit in the 10th inning because Lou had, through various pinch-running and pinch-hitting appearances, run out of position players on his bench (Attention! This is what 7-man bullpens do to you!). Z hit an absolutely tailor-made DP ball. But Chase Utley, one of the best-fielding 2B in baseball, threw away the relay and Ronny Cedeno -- who, amazingly enough, didn't do anything wrong today -- scored what wound up as the winning run.
- Utley tried to redeem himself in the bottom of the 10th; his fly ball hit about six inches short of a game-tying HR, bouncing off the wall and Kosuke Fukudome's glove for a double. After an intentional walk to Ryan Howard, (He Is) So Taguchi grounded out to end the game.
What can you say? Some days the breaks just go your way, and here's how I feel about it: we have 99 years of breaks coming to us. We'll take them.
Some good things came out of this mess of a game, the fourth already this year to go over 3 hours (and opening day's time of game was 2:59, and the duration was longer with the rain delay that day):
- Kerry Wood showed that he could throw two innings without any trouble; he threw only eight pitches in the 8th, then 15 more in the 9th, allowing a hit and a walk. Now, he (along with the rest of the ballclub) are off until Tuesday night.
- Bob Howry, who's been pretty terrible this year, had a nice confidence-builder for his first save of the year (despite that long drive by Utley putting a scare into every one of us).
- Derrek Lee had a fine, fine day, with three hits including a two-run double, and a slick defensive play in the last of the 9th that likely saved the game.
There are problems that still need to be solved, and some of them were extremely evident today. For one day, they don't matter, because even with all the problems, all the not-so-great-play... the Cubs won anyway. They can use the day off to regroup and recover and think about ways to fix what's wrong.
In the meantime, enjoy.
Finally, on Tuesday, baseball will again celebrate the legacy of Jackie Robinson by having players wear his #42 jersey, which is retired for all teams. Derrek Lee, Daryle Ward, and coaches Gerald Perry and Lester Strode will wear #42 when the Cubs face the Reds... and Dusty Baker... and Corey Patterson... for the first time this year.
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Yes the
definition of winning ugly today.
I thought Wards AB was bad today also, he never saw a strike and then struck out with two on.
I give Marquis credit, he should of been knocked around, but got out the first two innings with just the one run.
I know a lefty was throwing today, all be it at tops of 82 MPH, I would of started Pie today, yes I know Johnson has favorable numbers against Moyer, but Pie is sitting to much. Would love to see a run of games for him, 10-12 in a row, see what he can do.
Hey you take the win, and at 7-5, not to bad considering they really haven't played well at all.
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by Grockcubs on Apr 13, 2008 7:24 PM CDT 0 recs
Breaks? How about mistakes?
That HR was a blown call, pure and simple. And you didn't mention
the failed "double steal."
I'm still worried about what these extra-inning messes are doing to
Santo's stamina and mental health.
by santo4hof on Apr 13, 2008 7:27 PM CDT 0 recs
Yes, it was a blown call.
That's a break. Right?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 13, 2008 8:00 PM CDT
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Did
you mean wood pitched the 8th and 9th, not the 10th?
by luv4cubs2 on Apr 13, 2008 7:28 PM CDT 0 recs
Yes, of course I did.
I'll fix that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 13, 2008 8:01 PM CDT
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Problems
Al, you mention that there are problems with the team and they were evident today. What was it in particular that you saw as the problems with this team that were shown today?
by okiecubbie on Apr 13, 2008 7:30 PM CDT 0 recs
I would imagine that the biggest issue...
...is the inability of the rotation to pitch deep into games.
by cwyers on
Apr 13, 2008 7:41 PM CDT
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I agree
And the bullpen has been inconsistent. Each seem to be great one day and then not so good the next.
by okiecubbie on
Apr 13, 2008 7:50 PM CDT
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Always?
I'd say not "always".
But yes, the biggest issue is the lack of starting pitching going deep into games.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 13, 2008 8:02 PM CDT
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Lou
I think he has been quick to pull starters this early in the season. I suppose it worked today.
by okiecubbie on
Apr 13, 2008 8:06 PM CDT
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Good point
But, some of the appearances just seem horrible. I guess consistency is not the problem, but we cannot continue to have guys come in that simply cannot get anyone out.
by okiecubbie on
Apr 13, 2008 8:04 PM CDT
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It's not about any one starter in particular.
But the starters haven't been going for a lot of innings, and we've had three extra inning games already. We absolutely cannot go the bullpen as much as we have all season.
I'm not sure that there's anything that can - or should - be done about it yet. But it is an area of concern.
by cwyers on
Apr 13, 2008 8:20 PM CDT
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My point exactly.
Actually, we've had FOUR extra-inning games already (including Opening Day).
The Pirates also have four, and the Phillies have three. No one else has more than two, and ten teams haven't played any yet.
Eventually, this will even out. The off-day comes at a very good time.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 13, 2008 8:39 PM CDT
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Marshall
I was surprised that Marshall wasn't left in for more than two outs in the fifth. I thought that, being a recent starter, he might have been the long man for this game to give the bullpen a break.
Also, I thought at the beginning of the game I heard the broadcasters say that Rich Hill was ready to be a long man if Marquis couldn't stay out there with his flu. Any truth to that?
by TC Cubby on
Apr 14, 2008 7:01 AM CDT
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Anyone else think that's Pink Hat Guy
sitting behind home plate in the Yankees/Red Sox game wearing a Cubs hat?
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Apr 13, 2008 7:33 PM CDT 0 recs
Didnt the Cubs play the Reds at home last year..
...on Jackie Robinson day?
I assume that is just the irony of scheduling..
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on Apr 13, 2008 7:34 PM CDT 0 recs
Yes, they did.
Strictly coincidental.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 13, 2008 8:02 PM CDT
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I am tough on Ronny...
...I am happy for him that he didn't mess up today, hopefully his confidence will build and mistakes will be fewer when he plays.
by DudeVf11 on Apr 13, 2008 7:45 PM CDT 0 recs
Didn't Ronny
drop a foul pop-up early in the game? Or was that someone else?
"Just because you've had enough/ doesn't mean you wanted too much." -Dean Young
by Kegler on
Apr 14, 2008 8:25 AM CDT
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That was saturday i think...
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on
Apr 14, 2008 10:23 AM CDT
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did the ball deflect off fukudome's glove? i thought he misplayed it a bit and got hit in the head after watching the replay...but i was also amidst grilling and knew howard was getting the IBB, so i ran out to check on my sausage and caught the end of the replay...
anyone else notice that?
How did Neifi Perez, Kevin Orie, and Jeremi Gonzalez get Rookie of the League votes in 1997?
by bgsiggy on Apr 13, 2008 8:03 PM CDT 0 recs
It was too high
off the wall for him to catch. It then hit him in the back (somewhere) and stayed by his feet. He didn't have any chance of catching it.
by dr stabbingworth on
Apr 13, 2008 8:11 PM CDT
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4-2 road trip
is very nice to have considering the team hasn't really looked too good. I'm a little worried about the rotation....and if this keeps up for another week or two I would give lieber and marshall opportunities to get a start and see what they can do.
by cubsmania on Apr 13, 2008 8:13 PM CDT 0 recs
As bad as this team has looked at time,
and they have looked bad at times, they're still in good shape. Gotta play better baseball against an improved Reds squad, though.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Apr 13, 2008 8:23 PM CDT
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I missed most of the game
but it looked like theriot had a pretty good game....his AB's have been looking a lot better recently and hopefully he'll hit a hot streak.
by cubsmania on Apr 13, 2008 8:14 PM CDT 0 recs
Missed the game again today... Ugh.
But, I keep reading about problems.
Here's how I see it: last year we played like absolute crap for all of April got off to a horrible start. This year, we're playing like absolute crap after two weeks, and at least we're 7-5.
That's a positive, because at some point (I hope) we'll actually start to play good baseball.
Cubs 2008 (7-5)
Home (3-3) | Road (4-2) | 1-Run Games (2-2) | Extra Innings (3-1)
Updated on April 13, 2008
by SackMan on Apr 13, 2008 8:37 PM CDT 0 recs
I completely agree with this
but the thing that worries me is that we can't rely on us having a season like we did last year where we started off so horrible than went on that ridiculous run. I just hope we start to play better and have a consistent season and not an up and down like last year.
by McRipper on
Apr 13, 2008 8:43 PM CDT
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I really see a major need at SS for this team.
We need a slick glove in the middle infield to make this team better. Period.
We're already expecting average production at best from Theriot, both at the plate and in the field. I'm sure we can find a guy from somewhere who's glove is an upgrade from Theriot. Then, get Theriot back on the bench, where he'll help this team more.
Cubs 2008 (7-5)
Home (3-3) | Road (4-2) | 1-Run Games (2-2) | Extra Innings (3-1)
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by SackMan on
Apr 13, 2008 8:48 PM CDT
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Absolutely!
No question SS is a major need. I still would like to see us get a bonafide #2 SP as well. Those are really the only holes we have (maybe CF, let's see how Johnson plays until the deadline).
by McRipper on
Apr 14, 2008 9:19 AM CDT
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BTW... Angel Pagan on Sportscenter today
They trashed him for failing to score from 2nd on a single to RF... where the right fielder was actually conceding the run. Pagan merely jogged his way to third base.
I always liked his athleticism, but he has a baseball IQ of zero. Put his name on the back of Cedeno's jersey, and you wouldn;t be able to tell the difference.
Cubs 2008 (7-5)
Home (3-3) | Road (4-2) | 1-Run Games (2-2) | Extra Innings (3-1)
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by SackMan on Apr 13, 2008 8:39 PM CDT 0 recs
what was the 3rd base coach doing ?
that doesn't sound like Pagan.
by coral on
Apr 14, 2008 2:54 AM CDT
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I don't think
Ronny has ever hit .380 in any 10 game stretch in the big leagues. I could be wrong..
Wood for closer.
by wicubfan on
Apr 14, 2008 8:49 AM CDT
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I love baseball-reference.com!
Here's a 24-game stretch in 2005 when Cedeno hit .367.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 14, 2008 9:06 AM CDT
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Agreed
There i so much fun stuff to do on that site!
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on
Apr 14, 2008 10:18 AM CDT
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He did it in 2005
From July 31 to Sept 8, Cedeno played 10 games and went 12-30 (.400).
That said, a 10-game stretch is not really a meaningful sample. I'd expect you can find MANY mediocre/poor players who've had 10-game stretches like that.
Pagan has had a nice hot start, but I wouldn't get too excited about it.
by SouthernCub on
Apr 14, 2008 9:10 AM CDT
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Actually...
that stretches to a 20-game stretch from July 15-Sept 8. He hit .400 (20-50) over that stretch.
by SouthernCub on
Apr 14, 2008 9:13 AM CDT
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not a surprise I was wrong..
just ask my wife
Wood for closer.
by wicubfan on
Apr 14, 2008 10:06 AM CDT
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Another neat thing
is that all of those extra inning wins came away from home - where not batting last and having the ability to end the game suddenly both work against you.
I know that historically, the home team wins most games, but can anyone tell me, stat-wise, how often the home team wins an extra inning game? That's a stat I'd love to see.
by jcg996 on Apr 13, 2008 8:43 PM CDT 0 recs
That's a question for Bill James
Cubs 2008 (7-5)
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by SackMan on
Apr 13, 2008 8:44 PM CDT
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Or cwyers!
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 13, 2008 8:46 PM CDT
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Just your friendly neighborhood sabermetrician.
The answer is apparently 52% of the time. (Warning: PDF file.) That's actually smaller than the home field advantage during regulation, counterintuitively.
by cwyers on
Apr 13, 2008 9:02 PM CDT
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I see Daryle Ward will be wearing #42
To honor the 42 hot dogs he will eat on the off-day tomorrow.
Cubs 2008 (7-5)
Home (3-3) | Road (4-2) | 1-Run Games (2-2) | Extra Innings (3-1)
Updated on April 13, 2008
by SackMan on Apr 13, 2008 8:43 PM CDT 0 recs
You could've kept that one
in your sack, man. Especially considering he's wearing it to honor Jackie Robinson.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Apr 13, 2008 8:49 PM CDT
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Agreed.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 13, 2008 8:51 PM CDT
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Everyone jokes at Prince
but a joke against our own resident fatty and it is frowned upon? Come on now...
by GoCubbies34 on
Apr 13, 2008 9:10 PM CDT
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It was the twisting
of the Jackie Robinson into a "joke" (really, it wasn't even funny, or creative, or witty. just a straightforward fat slam.) about DWard's portly body type that prompted this response. I'd have had the same reaction if he'd said it about Fielder.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Apr 13, 2008 9:22 PM CDT
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the Jackie Robinson tribute, that is.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Apr 13, 2008 9:22 PM CDT
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Ah... come on. It was funny. You know it.
Laugh a little.
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Home (3-3) | Road (4-2) | 1-Run Games (2-2) | Extra Innings (3-1)
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by SackMan on
Apr 13, 2008 9:58 PM CDT
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No, no it wasn't.
The Jackie Robinson issue aside, it was just a cheap shot. If you're going to be crude, be creative. I laugh plenty. But not at jokes made at the expense of a tribute to Jackie Robinson.
Think a little. Before you type.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Apr 13, 2008 10:12 PM CDT
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Plus...
Daryle Ward is probably one of the nicest guys out there. So he's a big man, that equals big hits !!!
by coral on
Apr 14, 2008 2:59 AM CDT
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Agreed.
This was one "joke" that should not have been made.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 14, 2008 4:22 AM CDT
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I just now found the time
to read all the posts. SackMan, you must be one miserable SOB.....
by crazymountain on
Apr 13, 2008 9:43 PM CDT
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Seems to me
that last year we had very few close calls go our way....DeRo's homer may be a sign of good things to come...We need the breaks cause we are playin' like S*IT!!!
by crazymountain on Apr 13, 2008 8:49 PM CDT 0 recs
I would disagree
Of course, I spent hundreds of dollars flying up to Chicago last year specifically to sit two rows behind D-Lee to watch us get bent over by the Marlins to the tune of 9-0. That is playing like S*IT. Thankfully, the next day I witnessed *the fight* in a Skokie bar, and the rest of the season is history.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!
by sanantonecub on
Apr 13, 2008 9:00 PM CDT
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Well, I sure hope they play better otherwise
my 5 foot nuthin' ol woman gonna be dragging my 230 pound corpse to Chicago this July....
by crazymountain on
Apr 13, 2008 9:45 PM CDT
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Hopefully...
..Soriano spends the day off in the batting cages!
"I always tell the truth....Even when I lie." -Tony Montana
by calicubfan on Apr 13, 2008 9:19 PM CDT 0 recs
Marquis stat
Someone might want to look into this but I think Marquis had the odd stat in 2007 of The Cubs winning the most amount of games when he started no matter how good/bad he pitched.
So far that stat is following into 2008.
Regardless love/hate him, Marquis had the flu and you could tell on TV that he wasn't feeling 100% yet but he went out there and did his best and kept the Cubs in the game.
by ak123 on Apr 13, 2008 9:21 PM CDT 0 recs
That's true!
Last season the Cubs were 20-14 when Marquis started. 19-15 when Lilly started, 18-16 with Z and 17-15 with Hill.
"Baseball is like church- many attend, few understand." ~ Leo Durocher
by The Lip on
Apr 13, 2008 10:41 PM CDT
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Just throwing this out there...
But lookin at the standings, we are in thetoughest division in baseball.. WE would have #2 most wins in AL, and we're sittin 3rd in our division. fyi...
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying" - Michael Jordan, the one and only...
by LPLancer23 on Apr 13, 2008 9:50 PM CDT 0 recs
Lou's smart move
I have been very frustrated by some of Lou's managerial decisions in the past, but I loved his left-right switch pinch hitting today with Soto and Pie. We may have lucked out, but BRAVO nonetheless.
by OKC_Hornet2006 on Apr 13, 2008 9:53 PM CDT 0 recs
Let's not only mention his good moves but
he needs to learn when a pitcher does not have it on a certain, such as Wuertz didn't on Sunday not to wait until you are losing before you get someone warming up and bring them in. He has struggled with that all season as well double switching way to early in games..
by cubdreamer on
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We DO have 99 years of breaks coming to us.
I'm sure there have been more than what I remember, but other than today's game, I can think of only one other Cubs game I've watched where they got a break that won the game for them (a Rockies game years ago, where the Rockies could have tied the score in the 9th, but for the ball rolling into some drain pipe past the bull pen, resulting in a ground rule double - the next batter made an out). I've lost track of the number of games I've watched where they had a break go against them, and they lost.
Having said that, the 99 years of futility, we all know, is the product of ownership that didn't care about winning. I really don't understand our ownership right now, but we seem to have management that cares about winning. For that, we have the '03 Cubs to thank, who somehow broke the contentment with "getting close."
This team really hasn't played well. Our starting pitching hasn't gone very deep in games (have we had a starting pitcher make the eight inning yet?), and Soriano and Ramirez (both batting in spots we need to have be productive ones) aren't hitting close to their career averages.
Yet, we are 7-5. We've got good talent on this team, and certainly, on paper, they are better than last year. I just want to see them win it once.
Go Cubs Go! Go Cubs Go! Hey Chicago, whadya say? The Cubs are going to win today!
by Cubfansince1957 on Apr 13, 2008 9:54 PM CDT 0 recs
Soriano and Rami will heat up with the weather....
but I know what you mean. I saw my first Cubs game in 1958 and never winning or even getting to a World Series in my 50 years of Cub fandom is just really getting old. This is a very good team and there should be no reason that this team misses the Series this year....
by crazymountain on
Apr 13, 2008 10:07 PM CDT
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Looks like Ryan Harvey has finally figured it out. He's hitting 345 with 6 RBI.
He could be good value at the deadline, or he could come up and we could move Fukudome to CF.
Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on Apr 13, 2008 10:04 PM CDT 0 recs
He's 8 for 25 (.320) in AA
Saying he's figured out anything in 25 AB's is a little premature.
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Agreed...
It's WAY too early to declare that Harvey has figured it out. In fact, I'd argue the opposite based on the rest of his stats. Despite the .345 with 6 RBI, Harvey has 12 Ks in 29 AB.
Harvey has always been a streaky hitter. When he's on, he crushes the ball. But he's quite frequently not on, and thus usually ends up with a sub-250 average and around a strikeout every 4 AB.
by SouthernCub on
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its too early in the season
for heart stoppages like the one howry gave me. we need this off day baddddd. nice road trip 4-2 i believe and now were going home for 8. go cubbies.
Go Cubbies Go!!!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Apr 13, 2008 10:05 PM CDT 0 recs
I agree
however, we need to defend the home ivy a little better. .500 at home is not going to cut it.
by bap on
Apr 13, 2008 10:47 PM CDT
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4 wins out of 6 road games this trip
Like winning two series - I'll take it.
by JFCubFan on Apr 13, 2008 10:16 PM CDT 0 recs
I'll take a 4-2 road trip
any time of the year. I stated in another post, last years' squad (at the same time of the season, not Jul/Aug when they got hot) could easily have gone 1-5 on that same trip.
Things are better and there's still lots of room for improvement. I'll go out on a limb and say that not only will the existing players improve (specifically those needing it most) Jimbo will refine this club during the month of July.
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In Jason's defense
he had to work a lot harder in the 2nd inning because of Blanco's PB and Theriot's rag arm on Bruntlett's IF hit. Long innings take a lot out of any P, especially one who has been ill. Perhaps he could have gone 6 if the 2nd would have been easier?
BTW, DeRo has as many HR as his good buddy Chipper Jones right now. (Doubt if I'll be able to say that on May 1st.)
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Apr 13, 2008 11:43 PM CDT 0 recs

