Jim Hendry Trades
As I watched D-Lee save yesterday's game for the Cubs yesterday in the bottom of the ninth I reflected back on what a rock he has been for us the past few years. It also made me think about what a great trade Hendry made for him. Think about it, D-Lee for Hee-Seop Choi! What a steal!
Is this the best trade Hendry has pulled off for us? I think it is, but I would be interested in seeing everyone else's opinion on his best trade and also his worst.
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Aramis Ramirez...
... for Bobby Hill.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 14, 2008 12:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont even really have to agree
BUT this is the answer to the question.
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by Hammer on Apr 14, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This one and D-Lee's have to be taken into context
These were salary dumps by the poor to send to the rich. Hendry was at the right spot at the right time.
The true test of a good trade is when neither side is doing it out of desperation and it is a notable upgrade.
I think getting Karros and Gruds for Hundley was his best. Don't remember if anyone was desperate to move a player there, unlike the fish with D-Lee and the Bucs with A-Ram & Kenny.
by blackhawk24 on Apr 14, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody for Hundley
had to be the trade of the century!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Apr 14, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Dave Littlefield is now officially on our payroll
I see another deal with the Pirates in the near future.
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by SackMan on Apr 14, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, no thanks.
n/t
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by Al on Apr 14, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McLouth would look good..
leading off and playing center field....
"I lost it in the sun"
by Bump Bailey on Apr 14, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would they trade him?
And why would you give up on Pie already?
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by Al on Apr 14, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McClouth is a stud...
...agree with Al, don't think he is going anywhere (nor do I want a CF right now)
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Apr 14, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't think they would...
Just thinking out loud.....I'm not giving up on Pie. I wish they would let him play everyday for a month or two so we could get a more realistic evaluation of his talents.
"I lost it in the sun"
by Bump Bailey on Apr 14, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the Pirates trade anybody it will be Bay or Nady
They need to build from the ground up and going out and spending money on a big name player will not help matters. They need to trade those veterans for young prospects and dump some of their payroll. Especially Matt Morris.
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by Bricks and Ivy on Apr 14, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not yet...
However if the situation presents itself, Hendry has to have the stones to deal him for a good SP near the NWT deadline.
by blackhawk24 on Apr 14, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The rest of that deal
makes it sound even better for us:
Ramirez and Kenny Lofton for Jose Hernandez and two minor leaguers (incl. Bobby Hill)
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by gwood on Apr 14, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont forget
randall simon came in that trade too i think.
by cubsmania on Apr 14, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
Simon was acquired August 17, 2003 for a minor leaguer named Ray Sadler, who played in 3 games for the 2005 Pirates.
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by Al on Apr 14, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really??
I always thought that was the same trade...
Dan
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by dtpollitt on Apr 14, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, really.
As Casey Stengel used to say, you could look it up.
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by Al on Apr 14, 2008 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't if it is Hendry's best but . . .
Todd Hundley for 1B Eric Karros and 2B Mark Grudzielanek was a pretty darn good deal given how those two help us out during their short time here, and the fact that it got Hundley out of Chicago
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by gwood on Apr 14, 2008 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree...
Hundley's departure in itself was one of his best deals..
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by Bump Bailey on Apr 14, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worst?
Willis for Clement comes to mind; however, Clement was a key part of 2003.
by NashvilleBlue on Apr 14, 2008 12:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's only "worst" when seen from the present.
At the time, Willis had two years in pro ball and had pitched TWO GAMES above Low-A. He was a prospect, definitely, but NO ONE could have guessed he would be that good, that quickly. In a normal progression his ETA for the Cubs major league roster would have been 2004 or 2005.
Clement had three good years for the Cubs. Willis, as it turns out, might wind up being a bust. (He hasn't really had a good year since 2005.)
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by Al on Apr 14, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Willis was probably a little overrated.
...and a few years from now, the trade might not look so bad, depending on how it looks with the Tigers.
I will say this. In 2005, the league-average ERA was 4.22. At Dolphin Stadium that season, a league-average pitcher would have a 3.98 ERA, based upon Baseball-Reference's park factors. He had a very good season, but it was helped by being in a pitcher's park (and probably helped by being in a down year on offense as well.)
Clement might wind up being the more productive pitcher this season, actually. And if we won it all in 2003, then nobody talks about this.
by cwyers on Apr 14, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked Clement
Clement was a great pitcher who had no help, in 2004 his last year here, he would go out and pitch these great games and give up maybe 2 or 3 runs and then get zero run support from the offense. In 2004 he went 9-13 (which a few of those games should have been won) and he struck out 190 in 181 innings with a 3.68 era (which isnt spectacular but is solid) and 155 hits but during that time Dontrelle Willis did put up better numbers.
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by ryanbrixenivy on Apr 14, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO
Willis was a one hit wonder. (I also think besides his speed-Jose Reyes will fade fast)
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by Hammer on Apr 14, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree on Reyes.
Reyes has developed plate discipline (.354 OBA each of the last 2 years) and thus will have value for quite some time.
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by Al on Apr 14, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I agree
its just my opnion that Reyes is not going to be the perrennial MVP candidate. I would venture a guess that his "decent" on base has a lot to do with infield singles etc.
As far as Willis.....I dont see it.
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by Hammer on Apr 14, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so much...
Reyes' .354 OBP last year was due in large part to a great improvement in plate discipline. He walked 77 times last year. That's a continuation of a trend in improved discipline. He walked 27 times in 2005, 53 times in 2006, and 77 times in 2007. The guy is developing into a prototypical leadoff man.
I definitely wouldn't say that Reyes' OBP is buoyed by infield singles. He actually had a down year in terms of average (dropped 20 points to .280). But he had 60 extra-base hits. That's pretty good for a guy who isn't a slugger. He had 66 extra-base hits the year before.
The guy is fast, but his game isn't dependant upon the infield single at all. He's a REALLY good player.
Is he a perennial MVP candidate? Likely not. He's just not going to hit for enough power. But there's no reason he can't be a perennial .300+/.380+/.450+ type of player, which is very good from the leadoff spot.
by SouthernCub on Apr 14, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you make great points
I just have a gut feeling.
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by Hammer on Apr 14, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reyes...
...is a better fantasy baseball player than his real stats indicate. I don’t see how a 103 OPS+ is any better than Orlando Hudson.
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by IowaCubs- on Apr 15, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bad example, but whatever.
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by IowaCubs- on Apr 15, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
that Willis is a classic case of a complicated delivery phenom (Hideo Nomo ring a bell?) Hard to pick up his ball when he comes into the league, but once hitters figure it out, he isn't as dominating.
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Apr 14, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ding, Ding, Ding
We have a winner. Show 'em what he's won, Johnny!
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by JD McCubbie on Apr 14, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Call
You could probably also add El Duque to that mix also
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by ryanbrixenivy on Apr 15, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bingo....and he's out of shape IMO
..amazing that guys like Willis and Andruw Jones come to new teams with new money (for Jones) and show up over weight. (in Jones case really overweight)
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on Apr 14, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
I was thinking the same of Willis when he was dominating back in 2005 (hell someone even said he'd win 300). His high kick distracted many batters and were baffled by it. They have figured him out now that he is a mediocre pitcher. Same with Garland.
Those two trades Garland and Willis sucked in 05-06, but now don't seem so bad.
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by Chanman25 on Apr 14, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NFW
I wish the Cubs had him. He has improved plate discipline recently and would be ideal in this lineup; oh my, the possibilities!
by blackhawk24 on Apr 14, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wasn't even the "meat" of the trade...
The trade was Alfonseca/Clement for Tavarez/Willis. And Willis was a BIG surprise. He was a low-level prospect, and shocked everyone with his success. Teams make deals like this all the time. I'd venture to say that virtually every GM has traded away at least one low-level prospect that turned out to be an All-Star.
It is important to also note though that Willis may have already had his best years. He was terrible last year, and doesn't look so hot this year, either. It may be that his gimmick delivery has been figured out. And, as you said, we did get a pretty darn good year or so out of Clement.
by SouthernCub on Apr 14, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other thing to remember with Willis
especially as he heads to the DL is that his kind of delivery isn't likely to result in a long career. You really can't blame Hendry. He was low-level prospect that had a unusual delivery. There was nothing that said star pitcher. He also didn't waste him. He got a very good starter with Clement and if the Cubs had gotten to the World Series, it would have been a so-what.
I really don't see a Scott Kazmir-type just plain awful trade that Hendry has made. The Pierre trade doesn't even look that bad as none of the 3 pitchers are looking like much long-term.
by rlpete on Apr 14, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nomar
I remember thinking in 2004 that this is the trade that will put a very good team over the top and get them into playoffs. Good prediction on my part. Even so, I was very happy that they brought him back in '05, but him getting hurt almost right away probably forecasted what that season was going to be like. It didn't work out, but I still say that was a great trade that he needed to make at the time, that simply ran into some bad luck.
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by ctcoff99 on Apr 14, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Worst Trade
Either these two would do:
Juan Pierre for Ricky Nolasco, Sergio Mitre, and Pinto. I liked it at the time because I thought with Pierre the Cubs would be a WS contender that year. That didn't even come close to happening.
Traschel for Scott Moore and Rocky Cherry. Did not understand this deal at all. Traschel was not needed and we wasted two prospects on him
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by Chanman25 on Apr 14, 2008 3:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pierre and those 3 pitchers
pretty much amounted to nothing.
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by Hammer on Apr 14, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't write off Nolasco and Pinto yet
Mitre is a max so-so guy. The other two could be decent #4-#5.
The best Hendry deal is unloading Hundley.
Worst? I'm going with Moore and Cherry for Traschel. That was a big waste of prospects. Cubs got nearly nothing in return.
by blackhawk24 on Apr 14, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the prospect was
say Chris Young of the DBacks fine....but who the heck are Moore and Cherry---nobody.
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by Hammer on Apr 14, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
However...
... Moore and Cherry, like Nolasco and Pinto, had higher perceived trade value. The Cubs probably could have gotten more for them than the rotted carcass of Trachsel.
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by Al on Apr 14, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
maybe they could have gotten a carcass and not a rotted carcass. Best case, Moore might become a Wes Helms type player. Cherry is likely back-end bullpen fodder.
I agree the Cubs did not need Trachsel and the trade made no sense but I'm not sweating the loss of those two.
by rlpete on Apr 14, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moore
was sent down by the O's over the weekend. While I agree that this trade wasn't really necessary, I really have a hard time saying it was that bad. I don't expect much from either Cherry or Moore.
by rlpete on Apr 14, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a blocked prospect...
...really does us no good in AAA. I think of Jake Fox, Matt Murton and Micah Hoffpauir as Moore-types who would be better suited for a big league team that could use them every day.
Remember that last year, we weren’t sure if our rotation would hold up through September. Without Trachsel, we would have been better off in hindsight, but at the time, it sort of made sense in a desparate for arms sort of way.
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by IowaCubs- on Apr 15, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're missing a big part of the Pierre trade
The Cubs then let Juan Pierre walk at the end of the season and got a supplemental first round draft choice for him. That draft choice turned out to be Josh Donaldson, who is a top ten (top five in my list) prospect in the Cub organization. I'd trade Nolasco, Mitre and Pinto for Donaldson. I think of the three, only Pinto will have any sort of serious career, and that's only if he stays healthy.
This is something Oakland does under Billy Beane--get upcoming free agents in the last year of their contract and then let them walk for a good draft choice. It's good seeing the Cubs gaming the system for once.
It's still too early to tell, but the Pierre trade may end up looking great for the Cubs in the end.
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by Josh77 on Apr 14, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Donaldson does pan out...
... then yes, the Cubs will have received value for those three, though they may have to wait five years to get it.
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by Al on Apr 14, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So in the meantime, the Cubs
got a guy because they were desperate having lost the guy they wanted (Furcal), gave up three kids for a guy that played one season and wasn’t going to be re-signed.
Hey I hope Donaldson pans out too. But prospects are just that, prospects. My guess is one of Nolasco and Pinto will be a decent back-end of the rotation guy.
Pierre? Can you say, “agent fleeced Dodger GM?” What’s worse (and death is not an option) Pierre’s contract with the Dodgers or Matthews contract with the Angels?
by blackhawk24 on Apr 15, 2008 6:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is sort of the idea...
...behind the Harry Potter trade, eh? Or would the O’s suck so bad that we wouldn’t earn their pick?
Anyway, apologies for bringing that up. I’ll flog myself for it.
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by IowaCubs- on Apr 15, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aardsma for Cotts
Just you watch...you'll see.
by Rev Gunia on Apr 14, 2008 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha
But Aardsma is who he is IMO, a flame thrower that will be out of the league in 2 years.
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by Hammer on Apr 14, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's throwing pretty well for the Red Sox.
n/t
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by Al on Apr 14, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta be throwing better than
Cotts is for this big league team.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Apr 15, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember his start with the Cubs?
He is a poor mans Kyle Farnsworth.
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by Hammer on Apr 15, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With a better attitude and brain.
n/t
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by Al on Apr 15, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And a much lower blood alchohol content.
by N Oakley on Apr 15, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha, fair enough
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by Hammer on Apr 15, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Future candidate
Todd Walker for Jose Ceda.
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by DeRoMyHero on Apr 14, 2008 4:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For good or bad?
Dumping Walker’s attitude for anything was great.
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 15, 2008 6:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree about Walker's attitude.
That part of the trade alone is addition by subtraction. But Ceda has a great arm. If he ever improves his control, that trade will constitute a major fleecing.
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by DeRoMyHero on Apr 15, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny, hendy takes a lot of criticism
but really, on trades, he's done a very good job. hell, even on free agents, not so bad (though some of the signings will probably haunt us down the road.)
by doug dascenzo's change-up on Apr 14, 2008 5:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Love your handle by the way...
...Descenzo was like 5’8” on the mound, wasn’t he?
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by IowaCubs- on Apr 15, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freddie Bynum for Kevin Hart?
Not bad.
by Doggie Stalker on Apr 14, 2008 6:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
good find
I didn't realize that is how we got him. Wow, what a steal from the O's! They sure need him now
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by Chanman25 on Apr 14, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot about that one.
That could be a REAL steal eventually. And don't forget how the Cubs got Bynum -- for John Koronka, who turned out to be pretty useless. Koronka for Hart is a pretty good exchange.
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by Al on Apr 14, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Koronka start off like 5-0 with the Rangers?
Better than anything Bynum ever did.
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by SackMan on Apr 14, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
Well, mostly. After 7 starts he was 4-1, 3.65.
The rest of the year he was 3-6, 6.81 in 16 starts.
This was in 2006.
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by Al on Apr 15, 2008 4:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thumbs Up For Hendry
Look at our debate...plenty of good to great comments, and we struggle coming up with any horriable trades. I think Hendry has done a fine job.
by NashvilleBlue on Apr 14, 2008 9:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Cubs...
...are going to make a SERIOUS run at a championship in 08, I think Hendry will need to pull off a quality trade or two to give them the best chance.
IMO, trading has been one of Hendry's strengths, and I hope he has chance to use it, before long.
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by MPH73 on Apr 14, 2008 9:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It is one of his strengths.
But who makes trades two weeks into the season?
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by Al on Apr 15, 2008 4:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking...
...maybe June.
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by MPH73 on Apr 15, 2008 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll throw in July 22nd
That’s the day I think he got A-Ram and Kenny from the Bucs for scrap, back in 2003.
by blackhawk24 on Apr 16, 2008 6:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Fontentot for George Bell....
...but you-know-who was in between. I find it interesting to see how far back players can be linked through trades within an organization.
by speed skater on Apr 14, 2008 11:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That would make one heck of a game
Find someone who’s been around for a while (Kenny Lofton?), and see how many different guys were traded for him… it’s like a family tree of sorts… getting from A to Z
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by SackMan on Apr 15, 2008 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a good one.
In 1965, Kenny Holtzman was brought to the majors by the Cubs. He had six-plus decent to good years, then was traded for Rick Monday, who had five good years and then was traded for Bill Buckner and Ivan DeJesus.
Buckner was traded for Dennis Eckersley, who helped the Cubs win the division in 1984.
DeJesus was traded for Ryne Sandberg and Larry Bowa. We know how that one worked out.
That’s thirty-plus years of good production out of one Cub-produced major league pitcher.
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by Al on Apr 15, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow!
That is an interesting progression. Funny how much value comes from one seemingly unsubstantial move.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Apr 15, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Sox fan friend
A Sox fan friend once sent me a link to a site that did the 6 degrees of seperation for baseball players (I think it did football and basketball and hockey as well).
I lost the link. I’ll email him to see if he still has it.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 15, 2008 11:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I did this once
OKay how many players does it take to go back 100 years with the Cubs.
Okay Kerry Wood played with Sammy Sosa (or Mark Grace) who played with Ryne Sandberg who played with Fergie Jenkins who played with Ernie Banks that covers 55 years. Have to work past Ernie.
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by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 15, 2008 11:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is easy.
Kerry Wood played with Mark Grace.
Grace with Sandberg.
Sandberg with Jenkins (that’s kind of cheating because Jenkins left and came back, but OK).
Jenkins with Banks.
OK, ready for the rest?
Ernie Banks played with Clyde McCullough, who was on the 1945 NL champs. (He didn’t play in the ‘45 regular season due to WWII service, but did in the World Series.)
McCullough played with Billy Herman.
Herman with Charlie Root.
Root with Sparky Adams.
Adams with Pete Alexander.
Alexander with Hippo Vaughn.
Vaughn with Johnny Evers.
Evers with, obviously, Frank Chance.
Chance with Bill Dahlen, and Dahlen with Cap Anson, and there you have it, 15 players going back 132 years to the beginning of franchise history, and virtually all of them well-known names.
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by Al on Apr 15, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE: This is Easy
Whoa there Kevin Bacon…
by Jobu on Apr 15, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
basically
George Bell was traded for Adam Harben and Mike Fontenot
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by Chanman25 on Apr 15, 2008 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And 13 years of some other guy's production in between.
n/t
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by Al on Apr 15, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and not to mention
a washed up DH/1B/C from the Rangers
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