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Contenders or Pretenders?

I can't be the only one desparate for a convincing victory. Wins are wins, I understand that much - and winning extra-innings games has not been this teams forte the last few years (maybe some stat-head can give us the real numbers on that; I don't have the time or I'd do it myself), so the three longer-than-regulation game victories are a good sign.

Getting opponents on the mat early and keeping your collective feet on their throats is obviously preferable, but since The Beloved haven't shown a whole heck of a lot of ability to do so, they have to preserve the slight edges they've been carrying into late innings.

This bullpen scares me - Woody's been erratic, and I don't se him being long for that role. Wuertz - what can I say. Even Marmol has been up and down.

When do we stop allaying our fears by reminding ourselves that "it's early"? That works both ways. It's early for the Cards and White Sox, too - two purported cellar-dwellers that are leading their divisions.

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Contenders!

LITV,
The bullpen is our strength! All guys out there will have a periodic moment but they have held this season together. We have two weaknesses: Starting pitch is the one that is erratic. Other than Z and Dempster, no one else to rely on. We need to get Lieber in the rotation and then get production from Marshall or Hill (I dont care which one) and Lily. Lou is having to use way too much of the bullpen on a regular basis...we need these guys to eat innings! Second need is CF. Reed is a nice fill and thank God we got him before the season but relying on him and or hoping Pie flips a switch is a bad idea. I think we are contenders but if we want to go to the dance and particularly if we want to win it, then we need more! I think we will have enough to get to the allstar break and be right in the mix but JH needs to do some dealing by then to give us a legit shot to win it all. The time is now to mortgage whatever and get this done.

by thisisitflyfishing on Apr 14, 2008 2:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I've never been sold on Pie.

I've been wrong before, and I'd hate to see him blossom elsewhere. I'd rather trot Johnson out there every day and/or platoon him w/ Fukudome in CF than give Pie too many more at bats in hopes of him turning the corner.
DeRosa can start in RF

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 14, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Contenders..

Good lord man, get a grip on yourself. They've got talent, a good manager, and prospects available for trade at the deadline. If the Cubs aren't considered a contender in the NL, then virtually no team is.

by Damen Jackson on Apr 14, 2008 2:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why are we holding on to Pie?

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 14, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly..

I could explain, but that you'd ask tells me it's not worth trying.

Let's just say that there are people who work for the Cubs better able to evaluate his development and potential than you and I.

by Damen Jackson on Apr 14, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Explain why we shouldnt hold onto Pie?

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 14, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they were going to trade Pie...

...they should have done it last year when his value was at it's peak. Once you bring a guy up and he struggles, his value goes down, because you have exposed the real possibility his minor league prowess, may not translate to the big leagues.

Let's face it, if you are another major league team, you would have given up much more for Pie if you only had AAA numbers to look at.

Now, you either have to hope he starts to produce with the big league club, or you may have to send him back to AAA. The problem is, even if he rips up AAA again, he still has the exposure of being overmatched in the big leagues on his resume.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 14, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is one reason he has to play NOW.

Because he's absolutely worthless sitting on the bench.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 14, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly....

...and you could hardly say he has struggled as he has barely seen the field this season. 22 AB's? That's hardly getting the oppourtunity to succeed.

Were not doing anyone any good right now whether you want to trade him or play him.

Felix Pie must play everyday!

by JB 23 on Apr 14, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to be contrarian,

and I'm not a stat guy, but how patient (in relation to number of starts, at bats, etc.) are other organizations with their up-an-comers that are forced to take prominent roles in the lineup (well, maybe not so prominent in the lineup) and on the field, especially when there are WS hopes (indeed, expectations)?

I'm thinking this isn't the season to focus on or be distracted by Pie's development.

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 14, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree...

...you don't make finding out what Pie can do more important than winning, but he should get his share of playing time over the next month to see how this thing will pan out.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 14, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK he can have April

But after that, he's tradebait 'cuz we have a title to win

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 14, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the deal...

...although many on this board want him to start something like 20 out of 25 games to see what he can do, it's just not going to happen. Depending on how he does, he will get his playing time, but it will likely be more like half of the games unless he catches fire.

IMO, Lou has very little confidence in Pie doing what they need their CF to do in 08. Some will be critical of Lou for not letting him play more and others will think it's the right thing. But, after all the talk of Dusty playing guys for too long when they were not producing, you won't get that from Piniella.

There are two guys that Piniella has minimal faith in, but gives them playing time to because he has no better option - Pie and Marquis. I happen to agree with him if that is indeed the way he feels. And I know they have Leiber, but he is forced to use Marquis to maintain his trade value, at least for now.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 14, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We could definitely move a couple of pitchers and an outfielder or two.

If you think Pie is the starting CF on a World Series champ, you're fooling yourself.

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 14, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha, but Coco Crisp is

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 14, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL....well played, sir.

"Eighty-five percent of the world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here." - Lee Elia, 1983

by CaughtInTheVines on Apr 14, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 14, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta go with the Pretenders

I'll take Chrissie Hynde over some lame-ass boxing reality show any day of the week.

"A, o, oh way to go Ohio..."

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Apr 14, 2008 2:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I bet the bullpen feels like they're Back on the Chain Gang with all the work they're had to put in so far

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 14, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Middle of the Road, Stop Your Sobbing, Brass in Pocket

they got a million potential theme songs for the Cubs….

"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome

by JohnM on Apr 15, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're just fine

If this were July and the early trend continued then I would worry. But I think we're OK and the longer we get into this season I think you'll see the results. Personally I like the fact we've won 3 extra inning games. This is huge for the rest of the season.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Apr 14, 2008 2:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Question

What does "wuertz what can I say mean" The guy gave up 3 runs ALL YEAR.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 14, 2008 2:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's what I was thinking

I was also wondering what his problem with Wood is too because i found it promising that hw handled 2 innings fairly well yesterday.

Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.

by Bricks and Ivy on Apr 14, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Woody's been erratic, and I don't se him being long for that role. Wuertz - what can I say."

Woody has 2 walks in 8 innings
Wuertz has a 3.86 ERA.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 14, 2008 2:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Definitely Pretenders...

Hendry is going to have to make some deals asap if this team is going to have any realistic chance of making a run. As it stands right now, the Cubs simply have too many holes to be considered a legitimate contender. I'm not saying that they can't get into the playoffs with the current team (although I wouldn't necessarily bank on it) but I think we're probably looking at another three and out.
What I don't get is why Hendry would be so reluctant to trade prospects. He has to realize that if the Cubs bomb out again this season, his career as a gm is essentially over. Plus, the Cubs ability to evaluate and/or develop young talent hasn't exactly been encouraging over the last several years. There's basically nobody in the system who I'd say is untouchable if the right deal came along.
He's worked magic in the past and so I'm still holding out hope that he can do it again.
As for the prospect of trading Felix Pie-at this point his poor showing in the majors has probably negatively affected his trade value. I'm not saying they couldn't deal him, but I can't believe other teams are going to give up a lot for a guy who is, at best, a project.

by bluekoolaide on Apr 14, 2008 2:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I really

hope this is meant to be sarcastic

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on Apr 14, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it..

although I'm guessing by the prose, this is a secondary account for lostinthevines.

by Damen Jackson on Apr 14, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, no...

But at least you're using your head occaisionally

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 14, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope the irony..

of talking about someone using their head in a sentence with typos isn't lost on you.

by Damen Jackson on Apr 14, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey I'm a busy guy -

occasionally I get ahead of myself and make mistakes. Sorry, Jesus.

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 14, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, no one has ever confused me...

with the spirit of Christ. That's new.

Really, all joking aside, let me suggest an idea. It's an off day. Go watch Monday Night Baseball tonight. Or if you have a few bucks, splurge on MLB.tv. Maybe even indulge in Baseball Prospectus or Baseball America. See, the thng is when you start looking around the league -- and I mean really watching some games, or going a little deeper with the competition, you find everybody has holes. Problems. Issues. Most in the NL wish they could be the Cubs. Just look at the Mets, who are actually counting on Nelson Figuerora for starts. I can't even say it without giggling.

Relax a little. It's a LONG season.

by Damen Jackson on Apr 14, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I couldn't think of anyone else who is claimed to have been perfect, so I picked Him.

I hear what you're saying, and I guess I do need to be dragged in off the ledge. I believe in these guys - I have 'Dome, Wood and Soto on one of my fantasy teams (and No, they weren't my last picks).

Go Cubs

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 14, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love that arguement...

I love the Cubs!!! I have 3 of their players on my fantasy team!!!

(note, I have Dome, Soto, Lieber, Marmol, and Lee, so I ain't one to talk :))

by GoCubbies34 on Apr 14, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the record...

no-it wasn't meant to be sarcastic at all. You should pin your hopes on something more important.

by bluekoolaide on Apr 14, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bwawawas

And the teams in the NL Central dont have holes.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 14, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK everyone.

Eternal optimists are great. No one wants the Cubs to win more than I. But if you can't take a step back and look at something other than stats, then I can't help ya.

Did anyone read the part about wanting a convincing victory? This team is supposed to have been built for offense. How's that working out? I know, I know - "It's early". That's my point - who says a team's bats can't be hot early? Not the White Sux or D-Backs. They can't miss the ball. Ramirez is lazy and Soriano is stubborn and selfish.

All I'm asking of any of you Pie-in-the-sky-ers is to be objective.

And Wuertz giving up three HRs is not a good thing, you know that, right?

And Wood is hot-or-cold - you need to be able to rely on the closer, and right now, we can't do that.

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 14, 2008 2:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Contenders

I am trying to take a step back and in all honesty I don't see that many gaping holes. Alright, so our SS and CF are not the best in the league. We don't need them to be at this point. Ramirez and Sori are going to get going and once those two, Lee and Dome, Derosa and Soto are all hitting, we will have no problem scoring runs. We won't need Theriot and Pie to be extra-ordinary or have career years.

Our bullpen will be our strength, provided Lou isn't forced to continue to over tax them this early in the season. Wuertz has only given up one home run, but 3 earned runs. Plus, he has only walked one and struck out five. So he hasn't been wild, his slider just wasn't quite right this last time out, it'll come around, it always does. Wood has been solid thus far, except for his first outing. He has a 2.25 era, excluding that first outing.

The only hole that I see is the starting pitching. Like others, I don't think that Lilly and Hill are this bad (although Hill really needs to throw a good game soon to salvage his confidence). However, that doesn't mean that it isn't a hole. Zambrano is a solid #1 starter, after him, though, it seems like we have a series of #3-#4 type pitchers. If we need anything at the trading deadline, which admittedly is a ways away, we need a top of the rotation starter.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on Apr 14, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wuertz has not given up 3 HRs this season

He gave up 3 runs, I know I was there yesterday.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 14, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you didn't

see it the Sux bats cooled off tonight. They lost 2-1. Looks like they missed the ball some tonight.

by sue369 on Apr 14, 2008 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Contender only if

the Starting pitching is pretending right now. Minus Z and Demp.

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying" - Michael Jordan, the one and only...

by LPLancer23 on Apr 14, 2008 3:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let me clarify one thing -

I think the Cubs will win their division.

I know that Soriano's bat will wake up so he can hit a bunch of solo HRs and knock in 70 runs again (when that number would be 30 or so higher id he'd suck it up and learn to bat in the middle of the lineup). However, I have doubts about Ramirez. He doesn't seem all there.

And the rotation is a mess (minus Z and Dempster). Lilly's very sucky so far. Marquis is unimpressive, too. 4 or 5 innings from your SP is murder on your bullpen.

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 14, 2008 3:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Right

because Lilly and Hill will suck the rest of the year and Dempster will win the CY Young.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 14, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cardinals

expect them to be in fifth our fourth in a month. They are playing crappy teams right now and will tank soon.

2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?

by Chanman25 on Apr 14, 2008 3:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was looking at their schedule

the other day wondering why they were doing so well, and yes, they do have a very easy first month/month and a half

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on Apr 14, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In 2007

at 12 games in we were 5-7, runs scored: 43, runs allowed 42.

Currently we are 7-5, having scored 59 runs, and allowing 60 runs.

What does that say? Well, for one thing, IT'S NOT OUR HITTING. It's our pitching.

But secondly, since the RF and RA are even in both instances, what it tells me is that we are winning the close games. The 1 and 2 run games.

What else does it say? Not much people. Only that there are 150 GAMES LEFT.

They call me MISTER Fukudome!

by brokenland on Apr 14, 2008 3:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Loud, sustained applause.

Once the starting pitching settles down -- and I believe it will -- this team could run off a long winning streak, because clearly, they are scoring runs at a faster pace than they were a year ago.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 14, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

We have also played some teams that can score some runs - the Brewers and Phillies.

by Kornchex on Apr 14, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Believe me - I hope I'm wrong

But you all have to see the flaws, too. Thinking there aren't any is ludicrous. We've all been burned by high hopes in the past.

Have a great day, everyone.

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 14, 2008 3:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You too

My point is to look at it like this, the better team has the least amount of holes.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 14, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I am being a little defeatist; even my

cautious optimism is running thin.

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 14, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha....I know

I like your arguements just disagree...its all good.

Have a good one.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 14, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You too.

Eamus Catuli

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 14, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Yet another diary from a ledge jumper. How can you people enjoy a baseball season? Yes, the Cubs have problems. Hopefully some will get addressed but I can guarantee that Hendry won't get a new CF, a new SS, 2 new starting pitchers plus TPWSNBN during the season. They are not ever going to be a perfect team. Soriano is always going to swing at bad pitches.

There will be ups and downs, hopefully more ups than downs but enjoy it. It's baseball, the best sport around. Sweating over every little problem won't result in anything but ulcers.

by rlpete on Apr 14, 2008 3:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I know, I know...

See my comment above

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 14, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Teamwork

Every team is going to have its problems. Every single one of them. The point of team is that when one or two guys (Soriano, Ramirez) fall behind, other guys (Lee, Fukudome) pick them up.

Also, it's early and:

Insert Marathon not Sprint analogy here.

They call me MISTER Fukudome!

by brokenland on Apr 14, 2008 3:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand

How people can look at a team right now and predict with any certainty how a team is going to fare in a series in October.

In recent memory it seems rare that the teams winning the world series were "supposed" to win it. Just ask Joe Torre. Injuries happen, players develop, and schedules get weaker and stronger as the season plays out. It seems to me that if a team is good enough to get into the post-season, they are good enough to win the world series. Since 1990, the team that has won the most games in baseball has only won the world series 3 times (in 17 tries). That is almost a 1 in 6 chance for the best team. The playoff team with the worst record has also won 3 times in the same span. To me that points to the fact that once you get into the postseason, anything can happen.

We have a team that has a good shot at making the postseason. This isn't going to happen every year. Let's enjoy this year and let the story unfold.

"I'm petrified of nipple chafing. Once it starts, it's a vicious circle." Andy Bernard

by TXCub on Apr 14, 2008 3:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Al talked about this several times towards the end of last season....the big thing is to be good enough to be in the hunt, and then get hot at the right moment.

I will say that last year's Red Sox had a certain machine-like quality that just seemed to mark them as a Team of Destiny, but it's pretty unusual for that to happen. I think they had fewer holes than any team I've ever seen in four decades of watching baseball (despite having, as Hammer noted, Mr. Crisp in CF...he's actually pretty good with the glove).

"Eighty-five percent of the world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here." - Lee Elia, 1983

by CaughtInTheVines on Apr 14, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I gotta go.

I'm in the Land of Cheese for the next 4 days, and I'll be wearing my Soto and/or Sandberg jerseys proudly as often as possible

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 14, 2008 3:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Look at 2007

Many of our wins were like this. This season seems to be a continuation of that rollercoaster.

And with a movie crew filming every game, they're certainly getting tons of great drama.

by ak123 on Apr 14, 2008 3:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's April 14

ask me this question again around June 1. Incidentally, I'll remind everyone that last year we were some 9 games back in June and came back. It's way too early to tell what this team is going to do all year long.

by BrownE34 on Apr 14, 2008 4:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Too Early

We are only two weeks into the season. Every team in the league is going to have at least two bad weeks during the year and many mediocre weeks. Personally, I won't even look at the division standings until May because you just can't glean any slightly useful info until then. For all of you east coast fans (and ESPN viewers), you can recall all of the statements in May and June last year claiming that the Yankees were not playoff bound. They went' on to have a stunning second half as always and played games in October. No need to panic or worry yet. Just watch the games and enjoy them.

by Qixotl on Apr 14, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I just wonder what the Tigers fans are doing...

... I wonder if they're jumping off cliffs, threatening to trade all their young talent, blaming their descent on Jim Leyland's smoking habit or the distractions of their new mascot.

It could be a lot worse. Our manager could be a smoker.

Hector Villanueva's Career Stolen Bases: 1

by IowaCubs- on Apr 14, 2008 4:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually

I think Lou used to be a smoker. He might still be but hides it very well.

They call me MISTER Fukudome!

by brokenland on Apr 14, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that makes me wonder...

... there are lots of closet smokers out there. I smoked for 4 years without any of my friends or family knowing. It's probably not the best PR.

Hector Villanueva's Career Stolen Bases: 1

by IowaCubs- on Apr 14, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huffing and Puffing

I think he may have quit. In post-game conferences when he was in Seattle, he sounded like he had just finished a marathon. It was very annoying to listen to him his breathing into the mic when someone was asking a question. I don't notice it anymore which leads me to believe he has at least cut back.

"I'm petrified of nipple chafing. Once it starts, it's a vicious circle." Andy Bernard

by TXCub on Apr 14, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The whole thread is NUTS....as in what Gen McAuliffe said in Bastogne

Contenders or Pretenders on April 14th? Come on we are only 12 games into the season, there are 150 games left.

Some history, back in 2003 I told Al that on July 15th we needed to pack it in and wave the white flag, then Z hit a HR and beat Houston and the Cubs went onto the playoffs. Last year the Cubs were 10 games under 500 on May 30th and they turned the season around and won the division.

This team is not set, they have one fantastic strength, the bullpen. Lilly and Hill are not right, there are a bunch of starts to get them right. They have a reborn Lieber sitting ready to come in and perform while Z and Dempster look right.

What they are missing are two essential players up the middle while three utility/platoon players are in their stead. I actually think SS is more important than CF. If not Pie, than the Cubs have options, move Kosuke over and play DeRosa or recall Murton or bring up Patterson and play Johnson in a platoon.

SS is a problem in that a lighter hitting Theriot is not the defensive SS, but my bet is that Vizquel will be available in May and he could be an interesting insert.

Ask that impatient question September 1st and enjoy the ride.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Apr 14, 2008 5:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Vizquel, ugh.

41 years old, injured, had a crappy year in 2007. No thanks.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 14, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

pick um...ah who would be available

list generated in Zone rating order.....the UGH should be deemed for Theriot's ZR, BTW Vizquel's ZR was #1 last year at the age of 40 at .897.....and his OBP was also .340

Troy Tulowitzki, Col .909
David Eckstein, Tor .886
Miguel Tejada, Hou .872
Tony Pena Jr., KC .867
Khalil Greene, SD .865
Hanley Ramirez, Fla .857
Michael Young, Tex .857
Yunel Escobar, Atl .851
Cesar Izturis, StL .850
Jeff Keppinger, Cin .848
Rafael Furcal, LA .846
Jason Bartlett, TB .846
J.J. Hardy, Mil 11 .844
Stephen Drew, Ari .840
Edgar Renteria, Det .837
Julio Lugo, Bos 12 .833
Erick Aybar, LAA .824
Jose Reyes, NYM.818
Cristian Guzman, Was .813
Bobby Crosby, Oak .806
Jhonny Peralta, Cle .805
Luis Hernandez, Bal .800
Orlando Cabrera, CWS .792
Brian Bocock, SF .780
Ryan Theriot, ChC .769
Yuniesky Betancourt, Sea .743

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Apr 14, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vizquel is on the DL.

Following knee surgery.

If you want to bet that Vizquel can continue being one of the best defensive players in baseball following knee surgery, great. But if Vizquel can't play defense, he is absolutely worthless. And so if he loses a step or two because his knee isn't 100%, he absolutely runs away with "worst shortstop in baseball" honors.

Oh, and did I mention he's in his 40s?

by cwyers on Apr 14, 2008 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct and why sometime in mid-May to June 15th he might be available

The suggestion is to look at Vizquel as a potential stop-gap SS insert, even platoon insert at SS if he in fact heals to the degree that he can play SS at the level or close to it that he did last year. His knee injury was a torn meniscus (cartilage) where one report stated it was removed and he would be out 4-to-6 weeks from March 1st.

First officially he cannot be traded without his permission until June 15th, but he has a safe hanging over his head, he signed a $5M deal with a $5.2M 2009 option that makes it good if he plays in 140 games….he has suspended his minor league rehab at last report-—suggesting that he will probably not be back until May 1st at the earliest—meaning that the Giants will probably have played 28-30 games making the 140 game option out.

The Giants in all likelihood will finish near the bottom this year and have two young SS’s.

The question is not whether Vizquel who is 41 is too old, the question is can he play, and more so, can he play the last half of the season either in an effective platoon or start. In all likelihood even with the knee injury he will not be able to play everyday so the deal could also be very cheap, like Cubs get the $300,000 option for next year and send off a minor prospect.

Finally it is my opinion that slowly Cedeno is earning the starting SS spot. He has been since last September with getting some offense and good defensive play outside his stupid stuff.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Apr 15, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ooh! Ooh!

Cesar Izturis is obviously a better shortstop! Let’s get him back!

Before each game, please remember to feed the bats.

by Cool Hand on Apr 15, 2008 4:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

That actually made me choke on my coffee. Vizquel? Ouch.

by Damen Jackson on Apr 14, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm....

(scratching her head)

Sori is batting .175
Ramy is batting .234
Riot is batting .244 with a .326 OBP
Lilly has a 9.95 ERA
Howry has an 8.59 ERA
Hill has a 5.00 ERA

And this team is 7-5. They have a winning record with most of their mainstays off to slow starts.

They have a winning record and the best is yet to come.

I admit that I don't have much faith in Riot or Pie, but if the other guys get it going, (and I firmly believe they will), this will be a very good team.

Ask the question again at the ASB.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Apr 14, 2008 6:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sky is the limit

Winning in extra innings is ok. Even breaks like yesterday's can go for or against a team on a given day and will probably even out before this is over.

The way I see it, injuries and / or outsmarting themselves are the ways this team could flounder and disappoint. If this team can play this bad and still be 7-5, or even .500 had they lost yesterday, then the sky is the limit. Lou has to take out the starting pitcher before the game gets away and avoid getting too creative with his lineups.

by AboutTheCubs on Apr 14, 2008 6:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

now i'm no math major...

but our current winning percentage is about .583.

which projects to 94 wins.

so if we're going to be over-reacting about early season trends...shouldn't we be celebrating what is obviously the beginning of a fantastic season? shoot, i'd take 94 wins in a heart beat...

by billywan on Apr 14, 2008 6:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

thats too few

they should win 110, hands down

2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?

by Chanman25 on Apr 14, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This makes me so happy

This makes me so happy they won those 3 extra inning games.

I walk by the Sears Tower every day. Would be worried about being hit by all the people jumping off of it.

We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 14, 2008 7:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Contenders

Soriano, Ramirez will get untracked.
Lilly will end up winning 14 games
Wood will get 30 saves and win 6 games
Now, Hill, Theriot, Pie and Marmol, all keys to this team winning 93 games or winning 82 games. They have no past, we can only hope.
These players need to perform, and as of right now, way early, only Marmol has been decent.
I like this team, but some trends are carrying themselves over from last year, can't lay a sac. bunt down, screwing up a double steal, 3 up and 3 down in a inning and Cub hitters seeing maybe 7 pitches, shoddy "D", and the overuse of the bullpen.
Lets see if they can get corrected, if not, it will be a bumpy ride.

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by Grockcubs on Apr 14, 2008 7:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

David DeJesus

Another name that might come up in the pursuit to upgrade center field AND help the top of the lineup. Kansas City likes Joey Gathright in center and may be amicable to eventually moving DeJesus, albeit for the right price.

by MDBNIU on Apr 14, 2008 9:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Could be an option...

...he has pretty good offensive numbers and a servicable OBP for leadoff.

It is going to be interesting to see how quickly Piniella pushes Hendry to get him a leadoff guy. I just can't see him sitting idle until the deadline to wait for this missing piece. Being the offensive mind that he is, you would think going since the beginning of last year without a legit leadoff hitter, has got to be wearing on him.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 14, 2008 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh, good for you.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Apr 15, 2008 3:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point is that most of these posts are innocuous little

“Hey, I love the Cubs – do you?” strains of glad-handing, No one ever calls the Cubs out on stupid, stubborn activity (such as developing Pie as opposed to signing or trading for a decent replacement. However, the signing of Johnson has perked my ears a bit. Very smart move; seemingly one that says that the club understands that Pie is not the man for the job

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on Apr 19, 2008 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh my!

we gave a guy named patterson 7 years to "develop".so let's not put too much focus on this guy (pie)until after at least a few more months and more ab's!!

by goatstew on Apr 14, 2008 10:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

He needs more ab’s. If Lou can’t give him any ab’s, he needs to be sent down to AAA then to get them. Him riding the pine and used only as a decoy like he was yesterday, is not doing him or the Cubs any good. He hasn’t even been used as a Defensive replacement I don’t think. Murton would be a better option off the bench as a PH or spot start in RF or maybe even Patterson.

No matter which way you slice it though, this situation with Pie is a difficult and sensitive one. It’d be great if Pie could start taking advantage of his starts and start hitting or atleast not looking so bad with his ab’s. I think that would make everyone happy.

" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8

by lemon20pie on Apr 15, 2008 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both the Indians and Tigers need bullpen help

Burowski blew another save tonight and even though he lead the league in Saves last year, I imagine the Indians would entertain offers for another possible closer. How 'bout Howry, Cedeno and Murton for Peralta and a mid level prospect?

Tigers pen is in total shambles and would entertain offers as well. Wonder what it'd take to get Carlos Guillen? Most likely too much.

" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8

by lemon20pie on Apr 15, 2008 12:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

can't see it

the indians aren't giving up peralta. and frankly, betancourt has been the best guy in that bullpen for 2 years now. they'll just slide him into the 9th and look for someone else to add to the pen while borowski gets to visit the DL...

by billywan on Apr 15, 2008 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Borowski could be heading to DL

Just saw how he’s getting his arm checked out. I agree that Betancourt would slide into the closer spot but their bullpen is less than deep. I also agree that they wouldn’t trade Peralta. Plus he’s locked up until 2011 with a player option in 2012. He ain’t ging anywhere. Just kind of tossed that idea out there.
On the other hand,SS Josh Rodriguez is struggling in AA but I still think he’s still a decent prospect. Wonder if Wuertz would be enough for him. Not that I would expect him to contribute this year but the Cubs have zero in the way of SS prospects.

" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8

by lemon20pie on Apr 15, 2008 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In other Cub related news

According to AZ Phil over at the Cub Reporter, Chad Fox threw 2 scoreless and hitless (35 pitches-21 strikes)innings against team China. Aparently he was throwing the ball pretty good and could be 2-3 weeks away to being ready, if everything goes according to plans. It’d could get interesting if he sails through his rehab.

" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8

by lemon20pie on Apr 15, 2008 1:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Funny quote from Derek Lee about Cub fans:
How will Dusty Baker be received when he returns to Wrigley Field with Cincinnati on Tuesday night?

“They boo everything now, so they might boo him,” Derrek Lee said. “I don’t see the reason why, but I wouldn’t be surprised.”

" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8

by lemon20pie on Apr 15, 2008 2:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he should be booed for that comment.

" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8

by lemon20pie on Apr 15, 2008 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

* Derrek

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Apr 15, 2008 3:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

*Derek

Derek derek dereck derek dereck derek dereck derek dereck

" I want to point something out in the quickly-becoming-tiresome Old Media vs. Bloggers debate: most stuff sucks. All stuff. In all forms. Most books suck. Most movies suck. Most magazines suck. Most trees likely suck if you get to know them. Fish, bugs, various metals -- they all probably mostly suck". - FJM 4/6/8

by lemon20pie on Apr 15, 2008 3:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget Derrick

"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome

by JohnM on Apr 15, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One way to look at it

Last year we found ways to lose games. This year we’ve played poorly in all but about two of our games, and we just came off a winning road trip. We’ve won two or three games we’ve had no business winning.

Provided the starting pitching gets lined out, I have to think our record will improve dramatically. This team on paper should be better defensively than last year’s, so I’m sure the defense will improve. We’re scoring a few runs even though some of our big producers aren’t hitting a lick.

As long as we get the starters ironed out, I think we’re in good shape.

by JDay on Apr 15, 2008 4:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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