The Answer, My Friend, Is Blowing In The Wind
Before I mention last night's wicked weather conditions, a little lesson, kiddies.
One is good. Two is funny. Three is still... mostly funny. Even one of the Cubs chimed in:
"I thought it was hilarious," Ryan Theriot said. "I thought it was awesome. I actually was hoping it would kind of continue."
Well, yeah, sort of, Ryan. Fifteen isn't funny. What am I talking about? The 15 baseballs that were thrown back from the bleachers and the street after Adam Dunn's monster home run onto Sheffield off Kevin Hart in the 8th inning of the Cubs' 12-3 win over the Reds last night. Some of those balls weren't that far from hitting Cubs outfielders in the head (I can just see Kosuke Fukudome looking at this spectacle and thinking, "What the heck have I gotten myself into?").
Beyond that, as Mike quickly mentioned, "Do you all want the score of this game to be 9-0?" (That's the official score of a forfeit game, if you didn't know.) I don't think it ever got quite that far, but that is an option for umpires if they think behavior in the stands has gotten so out of hand that the Cubs couldn't control it and the game couldn't continue.
The bottom line is -- have fun. But don't get stupid, especially on a night when the Cubs did practically everything right. It was the first blowout win of the season, on an night when the wind was blowing out at near-gale force (the "official" wind speed was 14 MPH, but it was far stronger than that most of the night; I'd estimate gusts at over 35 MPH, strong enough to send trash flying through the bleachers and for the Cubs to not even put the retired number flags and team standing flags up).
The Cubs took the lead in the first inning off Josh Fogg (whose ERA, a bad 7.00 coming in, jumped to 13.09 after he allowed the first nine runs), hitting three doubles and a single sandwiched around a HBP to Aramis Ramirez. That's been one of the best things about many of the Cubs' offensive outbursts this year so far -- they've been done without home runs. Of the 13 Cub hits last night, only one -- Derrek Lee's sixth of the year, matching his total from the entire first half of 2007, was a home run. Apart from that, they had six walks (including getting the bases loaded on walks in the 9th off Reds closer Francisco Cordero, scoring on Soto's groundout), seven singles and five doubles, including a double laced down the line by Carlos Zambrano, who had his first three hits of the year.
Z's double was in the 7th, after the Cubs had an 11-2 lead; we were all surprised to see him stay in the game on the bases, since it was obvious that Kevin Hart was going to come in the game anyway. Why risk getting Z hurt? I thought that with the wind blowing at gale force, Z would be trying to hit every ball into Lake Michigan, but he had really good at-bats in raising his season average to .250 (3-for-12). He now has 16 career doubles.
The Cubs also got good performances out of Ryan Theriot (two hits, raising his average to .280), Geovany Soto (only one hit, but it was a two-run double, and he drove in another run on a groundout), Kosuke Fukudome (does he EVER have a bad game? Two hits and two walks), and a two-run double from Mark DeRosa.
The booing for former Cubs Corey Patterson and manager Dusty Baker subsided a bit last night as people were much more interested in reveling about the Cubs' fine evening. They'll go for the sweep this afternoon, when it'll be a little less windy. I'll have a separate game thread up in about three hours. Finally, David and I have an all-Fukudome selection of photos this morning:
Top to bottom: Kosuke Fukudome throws a ball to the RF bleacher fans in the 1st inning; Fukudome rounding first base on his 1st-inning double; Fukudome making a catch up close and personal with Reed Johnson; Mike Fontenot's over the shoulder catch near Fukudome (latter two both in the sixth inning). Click on photo to open a larger version in a new browser window. Photos by David Sameshima
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I think you said it best Al,...
that the Cubs were able to score most of their runs without benefit of the homerun!
This had been a slight problem earlier in the season, but now looks like it is changing for the good! they will do well if they can keep scoring runs without having to hit an HR every time.
Go Cubs!
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Apr 17, 2008 8:11 AM CDT reply actions
Would we have it any other way?
Looking at the standings this morning the red hot Cardinals are tied with the D’Backs for best record with the Cubs right on their heels. As a long time cub fan would we have it any other way? Cubs-Cardinals fighting it out? I just don’t see the Cards hanging around for very long though, I’m amazed they’ve made it this far with their talent. For now, Cubdom is all smiles after the last two games. A sweep is a necessity today.
Great pictures, great offense last night, great hitting by DLee (isn’t that nice to see) and great pickup of Fukudome (man do I like to watch him bat; I think it’s actually rubbing off on some of our players!).
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
I flipped the channel
last night as the Cubs game got our of hand to the Cards and Brewers. It is amazing how the Cardinals get wins. The talent just is not there this year, but they keep winning….........at least Cub killer Jim Edmonds is not there anymore.
Cubs Win!! Cubs Win!
by Ihatethecards on Apr 17, 2008 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Take a look.....
at the Cardinals schedule thus far. 3 vs. Rockies(who haven’t been a world series team), 3 vs. Washington, 3 vs. Houston, 4 vs. San Fran., 2 vs. Brewers. After the last Brewers game of that series they play San Fran. again, then the Brewers again, then the Pirates, Houston, and Cincy.
It's true
I don’t know if there is a way to measure it accurately, but the Cardinals have probably played the easiest schedule in the NL thus far
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
This will, of course, all even out as the season goes on.
The Cardinals aren’t that good. The history of baseball is littered with teams that started off this well, then flopped.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Like say a certain 2006 team
that started 13-8
by dr stabbingworth on Apr 17, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I also don't think the Cards...
will stick around and I hate to say it but their early good fortunes are a true testament to LaRussa and Dave Duncan. There’s no other way to put it. It’s only a matter of time before Pujols goes down and that pitching staff shows it’s colors.
Even with Soriano going on the DL, I’m all smiles this morning. Hopefully the bats stay hot and we get the sweep of Dusty and Co.
You ARE freaking out MAN!
I guess it is hard to judge...
...what really was going on with this ball incident without seeing it. I had Gameday up, and it just said “On-field delay”, nothing more.
Last night’s game was great; Zambrano appears to be decaffinated, we had good, long sustaining innings, and we are what, 8-2 in our last ten? I’m feeling pretty good right now, and that’s without our All-Star left fielder.
Seems like management has assembled a pretty deep team, with Soriano out for a bit, and pitchers like Hart and Lieber able to go 3, 4, and 5 innings, if necessary.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
All those fans are idiots
Disagree with me if you want but I for one am embarrassed by it when it happens. Just think those driunken idiots are waking up about now thinking how excited they were to get a BP ball, now they dont have it. Its unacceptable. I thought it was funny when the person (if you didnt know this Al from where I was sitting the person on the street failed once but not twice to get the ball on the field) then it became indicative of the idiot ‘frat’ boys in the crowd---sorry all I care about normally is the team on the field but cant stand this crap. Great game, big outing by Z
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
And again
I challenge anyone to come out on this site and admit they threw a ball on the field or that they throw beer cups on the field…..come on admit it….well youre probably too embarrased to do so.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
You were in RF las night, right?
One of the posters below says it seemed organized, like a group of people had planned it. Did it look that way from your vantage point?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
It didn't from my viewpoint.
Not all of those balls came from RF.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Assumption
I assumed it was one of those “flash mobs”. I mean there was no logical reason for that to happen spontaneously. The Cubs didnt suddenly blow a lead. It wasnt Corey up to bat. Unless it was free-baseball-day at the park, this had to be organized.
by californiachicagoan on Apr 17, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
If Ryan Theriot had an affinity
for hitting to equal his affinity for flapping his jibs, he’d be Ty Cobb, minus the racism and tobacco.
That said, he’s really picked it up at the plate, and just in time. I don’t like Fontenot in the leadoff spot, though. I’d prefer Dome leading off, Johnson/Pie hitting second, and Soto/Derosa hitting 5th.
The baseball thing was pretty silly. I don’t think it’s quite cause for all the moralizing and hand-wringing that went on the diary on the subject, but I hope it doesn’t continue and having a player applaud the drunken tomfoolery of a few fans doesn’t help matters.
RF bleacher fans, please don’t do this again.
Ryan Theriot, shut up and hit.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Get a sense of humor
It WAS funny – the first time.
Cubs Win!! Cubs Win!
by Ihatethecards on Apr 17, 2008 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Get a pair of readin' glasses.
I didn’t say it wasn’t funny. I laughed when it happened. I did say I didn’t want it to happen again, which is a sentiment you seem to share.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
I just don't want to see
a wacky umpire like Bob Davidson call the game because of sophomoric humor like this. I chuckled, but if it continues I bet the league office will put a stop to it.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
Exactly.
I thought it was funny, but I’d hate to see something like this result in an injury or a forfeiture. I hadn’t thought of it, but I think you’re you’re right about the Davidson angle.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Like I said...
... one was funny. Two was funny. Even three was sort of funny.
Fifteen isn’t funny. They DID risk a forfeit or injury. If this happens again, the Cubs will do their best to ban the practice, and I don’t think anyone wants that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Yeah.
I think it’s widely known that some bleacher fans bring dummy balls to the game, so that if they catch a homer, they toss back the dummy and keep the real one. I can see this incident resulting in fans being searched at the bleacher gates for the dummy balls, which might go towards eliminating the practice of tossing homers back altogether.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Exactly what I was about to say
the increased security may also find other “items” that I am sure many fans in general (not only bleacher fans) sneak into the stadium
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
Yep.
/blushes. wonders how he’ll hid the flask….
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Acutally
I dont like two traditions at Wrigley….throwing the ball back and the guest conducture in the 7th
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
The Guest Conductor
has got to go. Let Ron sing, play a video of Harry, limit it to former Cub players, or just stop doing it.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Yeah, maybe.
Something, though. I’m tired of the Kellie Pickle/Jeff Gordon episodes…
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Loud, sustained applause.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
or high schoolers who have won 7 straight state football titles.
by Madison Cub Fan on Apr 17, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Cordero
I thought they did get a run off of Cordero.
I could do without the precedent being set with the multiple balls. Once is funny. Every home run, annoying.
"Cubs Win!!"
They did, you're right.
I’ll fix that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Can anyone here deny if they were there,
9 Old Style’s deep, they wouldn’t of grabbed a rock and hurled one on first glance? Please
Enough, let us talk about the fantastic baseball being played, and another SWEEEEEEEEP.
"The Cubs can't be stopped" -- Me
I can most assuredly deny that,
because I’ve been there “nine Old Styles deep” and never once have I thrown anything on the field. Mob mentality and booze are no excuse.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
It had better be a one-time mistake.
Because next time, it’s possible the Cubs might be forced to forfeit. Or someone might get hurt.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Do us a favor
likkimmer if youre going to throw stuff on the field…....dont buy tickets so a respectable fan can. If youve ever sat in the bleachers, which you have, read the sign that says respect Wrigley, do it or leave.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Please don't assume
I have never thrown a single thing onto the field
"The Cubs can't be stopped" -- Me
Read it again
I stand by it….youre gonna throw crap on the field GO HOME. Ill point you out if im in the bleachers…YES in the bleachers ill tattle.
Arrogant? Then what is throwing beer cups on the field? A loser
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
I haven't thrown as much as a sunflower seed on the field idiot
Why are you assuming I vandalize the park? I usually just quietly sit and keep score
"The Cubs can't be stopped" -- Me
Im sorry if this made me think you threw something on the field
“9 Old Style’s deep, they wouldn’t of grabbed a rock and hurled one on first glance? Please”
And you know this is a blog Ill reserve my good typing and grammar for work thanks.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
This discussion can be had without calling someone "idiot".
Knock it off, now.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Oh yeah of course of course
Cause I threw every single one of those balls onto the field. From Madrid, Spain.
"The Cubs can't be stopped" -- Me
right now -
i think you both are embarassing yourselves. Move to a different topic!
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
Amen!
NFW would the game be forfeited on that action in of itself. If it is viewed as dangerously by the league as all those here believe, first the league will warn the team, then the umpires will remind management and police of the potential issue. This has not got anywhere near that far.
There’s waaaaaay too many overly-sensitive posters here today.
OMG….with all the good things that happened in the game, to rant like this. It is utterly amazing what constitutes the hair-like trigger.
You sensitive ones want to rant? Rant about people running on the field. Rant about fan interference like the 2 HR balls in one game last year.
It’s amazing how something like this happens and the first words that come out are “frat” and “booze”.
Inappropriate. Inappropriate. Inappropriate.
KNOCK IT OFF NOW.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
IF there was ever a fanbase...
....that could be responsible for a forfeitted game, it’d be the 90% of liquored up Cub fans who sit out in the bleachers, especially a night game.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
Ha, or the Philly fans
When I was there they were bragging about throwing batteries.
The only thing wierder than batteries and OH Henry bars are those octopuss’s. Seriously where do you buy one and how do you sneak it in? bread it and fry it up, not even prince fielder could pass that up
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Battery incident...
I vaguely remember that. Now that’s absolutely messed up.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
Loud, sustained applause.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Sweep isn't a given.
Volquez has pitched very, very well this year and has been a highly regarded prospect up to this point. He had a rough breaking-in last season with Texas, but his stuff is for real. The Cubs had better bring their hitting shoes to the park today, because they’re going to need them.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Of course.
I am, too.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Not that it matters,
but I’m 31.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Actually Ill deny that.
I would never disgrace my version of baseball heaven, ever.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
I'll second that.
No excuses for this type of behavior. If “9 Old Styles” is what it takes, drink 8…
by Tangled Up In Blue on Apr 17, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
So who ever is drinking 9 and can hold it and
not do anything silly, let me know. I’ll sit by you and we can go for double digits together.
Really wasn't the point....
...but I’ll gladly have a few beers with you blackhawk24.
“9 Old Styles deep” was given as a reason for acting like an idiot in a post above. I think what Hammer and I were trying to say is that this is no excuse for poor behavior. The point I was trying to make is if drinking too much alcohol makes you endanger players, fans, the game itself than maybe it’s time to show restraint. There is no “high horse” here, I have had my share of stupid drunk moments, but don’t blame a few beers for poor, irrational behavior.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Apr 17, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Loud, sustained applause.
Plus, there’s the mob mentality. See three balls go on the field, idiots think they can keep doing it. Not all of those were “9 Old Styles deep”.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I like drinking beer A LOT
but if you have 9 beers at the game that would equal about 5 trips to the bathroom plus the trips for the beer. In the bleachers it takes a while to get ALL the way down to the washrooms—-the game the game the game
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
yabut...
You’re actually there to watch the game as opposed to the majority in the bleachers who are not.
What are beers at Wrigley going for anyway?
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
i definitely missed the onfield delay
that’s sounds pretty stupid though. I’d hope that security had a word with those guys, but somehow I doubt it.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
security
I think security is going to get tighter and tighter both inside and outside if things like this keep happening. I thought it was funny at first, but I really hope it doesn’t continue or even happen again. And as for the players saying it is funny and supporting it, it is only going to fuel the fans to continue doing it.
Loud, sustained applause.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Favorite moment of the game
I’m not sure if it was on the TV broadcast, but according to Ron, Z pointed to the pressbox and mimed driving a car after getting his 3rd hit (the double). Ron said it was Z lobbying to be the ‘Chevy Player of the game.’ Gotta love Z – I laughed out loud when I heard this.
LOL
Sometimes I swear I think he gets more upset about hitting then pitching.
"The Cubs can't be stopped" -- Me
I think you're
right about that. Z does seem to get more worked up about his hitting. I think he probably prides himself on being a pitcher who is quite skilled with the bat and likes to show off those skills. He;s probably kinda pissed today that he didn’t hit a homerun yesterday with the wind blowing out the way that it was.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
That's funny.
Ron was really riding him about his hitting last night, too, saying Z has homeruns on the mind too often.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
You know what...
i missed that since i was at the game. But to be honest with you Z takes a lot of heat for his emotions, but he has a lot of fun doing what he does, and it is great. When he has his tempers on the field, i dont mind it because at least he is showing he cares.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
You see him clowning around in the dugout?
He was trying to squirt Soto with a water bottle. Don’t remember which inning but I think it was shortly after he scored. Glad to see that instead of what happened 01Jun last season. Then again, if he did, Soto may kick has ass.
I wouldnt put money on it!
Z is a big boy….
Put that is what it is about having fun staying lose. It didnt happen the final season with Dusty nor was it happening at the beginning of last season, but it is happening now.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
On Sportscenter they showed Zambrano....
....before the game in the dugout, pretending to hit Fontenot on the head with a hammer about 3 times and after each hit on the head, Fontenot dropped a couple inches like a hammer hitting in a nail. It was quite amusing.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
To claify...
...Zambrano didn’t have an actual hammer, his fist clinched fist simulated the hammer.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
You almost...
had the human rights people all over you :)
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
and have you seen some of these human rights people?
Now theres a group of people I wouldn’t want all over me.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
Yeah, I've seen them
They’re a bunch of fascist fear mongers that do nothing but spread hysteria with no technical background and facts to back it up.
That’s what’s wrong with today’s society; always someone to point their fingers at someone else, telling them they are wrong.
by blackhawk24 on Apr 17, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
that's just Pat Hughes being Pat Hughes...
he followed that ‘observation’ with another one about Derrek Lee popping up out of the dugout with ‘raised eyebrow’ as in he should be the Chevrolet player of the game. Pat does this quite often on the broadcasts, as well as making up some of the names of fans who stop by the booth and send in e-mail and faxes. He’s so smooth that often they seem quite believable, and they almost always have their desired effect – to make Ron (and the listeners) laugh. Sometimes though, Ron really believes some of those names, which makes it even more enjoyable to listen when he finally catches on.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Were you listening the night Ron told his story
about the encounter with the female fan at Bernies?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
Yep, I've heard that one a few times.
If Pat tells a story like that, I can usually count on a few embellishments along the way. But when Ron tells a story, something tells me they’re usually pretty close to the truth. Which makes it all the more funny.
I remember last year (or maybe the year before), Cubs were at Shea, and there had been a long rain delay. When they came back on the air, somehow Pat and Ron got to talking about “cage-dancing” and the go-go girls at the dance clubs back when Ron was playing. Pat kept trying to insinuate things, Ron kept denying it, and I was ROTFL. At one point, Ron made a somewhat risque remark, Pat quickly distanced himself from said remark and half-humorously but half-seriously apologized to the listening audience, and Ron said something along the lines “ahh… it’s after midnight, no one’s listening anyway.” Me ROTFL again…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Santo's Blood Pressure...
I don’t get CSN in Des Moines (still bitter about that), but it was great to hear a stress free Ron Santo for a change.
If you play Defender I could be your hyper-space.
I like when he's too stressed to talk
Otherwise his rambling and asinine commentary makes Hughes miss pitches.
by dr stabbingworth on Apr 17, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I said this yesterday
but wanted to reiterate it again, its really good to see TheRiot pulling the ball. As Ronnie said, he seems to be seeing the ball a whole lot better and is looking like a professional hitter again. If he keeps this up, he can stay in the two hole [behind Dome hopefully :)].
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
I was at the game and I have never seen
..anything like it, when the balls were being thrown back after Dunn’s rocket shot
From our vantage point, It seemed almost coordinated or planned to a certain extent. It’s pretty hard to be that spontaneous with baseballs, garbage yes, but baseballs? If it was that is really concerning…especially for a crowd in April.
Agree that it went way overboard, there was a moment when I thought a great night was about to get ruined..
Felix Pie must play everyday!
Perhaps it was
a Flash Mob!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
The one thing about that
The game was in hand and it was pretty cool to see that bomb, its not too often the balls are hit onto sheffield, and from my vantage point it was a BOMB.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Agreed on that.
That was a monster HR. Good thing the Cubs had a 9-run lead at the time.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Al -
not sure if you noticed but the Cubs pride and joy Pie actually took a walk on 4 striaght pitches!!! This could be a sign!! Like i said he needed a few Abs were he doesnt swing at anything and just sees the ball.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
Absolutely.
But he can’t get more of those if he’s only batting once a game.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Two things about last nights game.
Although there were many things to be pleased about with last nights game, two things really stood out to me early on.
1. The plays that Z and Theriot made defensively. Z being aware of the runner straying too far from third and getting the force out, and Theriot staying with the ball after it bounced off the pitcher’s mound, both play in the 2nd inning. At the time of both plays the game was still undecided. Great to see the defense come through.
2. DeRosa’s “struggles” in LF. Not to bring up a negative, but there were two balls in the second that Sori arguably could have caught, the bloop single (Tough, tough play, I know) and the ground rule dbl. It was his first game in LF, so he should be given some slack, but it was a little concerning none-the-less.
Obviously, a great game. Many good things offensively (Pie drawing a BB! Dlee officially thinks it’s ‘05) and defensively happening. Now on to a sweep!!
by Tangled Up In Blue on Apr 17, 2008 9:02 AM CDT reply actions
Were you at the game or at home?
I was at the game, and the ground rule double ball might have been the highest hit ball i have ever seen at wrigley. Plus the sky was almost the perfect color to lose that ball. It was not just an easy ball to catch that is for sure. As soon as it hit the lights i lost it and so did DeRo. And Soriano would not have had that bloop single. If by chance he were to make that play it would have been a DL stint after.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
I was not at the game...
....so I was at a disadvantage. Obviously you have a better ideal of how hard those plays for DeRo really were having been at the game. Not trying to knock him at all, they didn’t look “routine” even on TV, but thought a more experience LF could have made the plays from my vantage point. From what you’re saying this was not the case.
Thanks for the insight.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Apr 17, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I knew what you were getting at...
Honestly when that ball was hit, i was like, where did that go? We tried to follow it – but just lost it. And i was right in the left field corner, so we had a similar look to what DeRo had.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
That makes me feel a lot better...
...about DeRo’s reaction. On TV they didn’t follow the ball just DeRo, and he made two or three adjustments to the ball, and just looked really lost. It surprised me, because DeRo has never looked that out of place on a hit ball.
Again, thanks for the insight. I was there on Tuesday and know that the sky, coupled with wind, can make for interesting moments in the outfield.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Apr 17, 2008 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
That ball...
... got taken by the wind. There’s no way anyone could have caught it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Hey Al
I called it yesterday, they say Lou is working on Pies long swing, but they Sori gets hurt and Pie isnt out there starting against JOSH DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS FOGG. It was nice to see the walk but he couldnt find the plate.
Good win, Ive been to all 3 on this 3 game win streak…..very nice very nice
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Not As Much Pressure On E-Pat as C-Pat
Maybe, Eric Patterson can be a good 4th outfielder for the Cubs, who can hit okay, field well, pinch run, and steal bases. E-Pat is not expected to be an all-star like Corey was. E-Pat has gotten a lot more seasoning in the minor leagues than what C-Pat had. Look, C-Pat only hit .261 in AA and .253 in AAA before sticking with the big club. He had his moments in 2003 (before getting hurt) and 2004, but should we be shocked that he did not pan out for us? I don’t know if E-Pat with his .222 AAA average should have been brought up instead of Murton, but I know E-Pat won’t have to shoulder the burden of unreasonable expectations that C-Pat did.
Converted 2nd Baseman Who Won't Hop in Outfield
Oh, yeah, by the way, E-Pat’s really a 2nd baseman playing the outfield this season. I hope someone taught him at Iowa how to catch a fly ball in the outfield the right way without hopping.
Speaking as one who's tossed a few back in his day...
baseballs, not beers. Ah, who am I kidding – I’ve tossed a few beers back too. Probably more than a few, but I digress…
Yes, I’ve thrown a ball back into Wrigley after an opponent’s home run – done it many times – and have to admit, I’ve always had that nagging thought in the back of my mind “what if I hit one of our players…”. After the game, I always try to check with fans leaving, asking them if they saw the throw back, where did it land, etc.
A couple of things allay my fears though. I always try to really heave it – I still have an outfielder mentality so in my mind, I’m trying to throw the runner out at home. And I still have a good enough arm that I can easily get it over the outfielder’s head if he’s in his normal position.
So the only player that is in ‘danger’ from me is the infielder, if he comes out into the short outfield for some reason. But if he is, he’s probably looking in my direction, most likely expecting the ball to be thrown back if he’s a veteran. So he should easily be able to avoid anything. Besides, by the time my throws get close to the infield, they’ve bounced a few times.
Plus, if I do throw a ball back (btw – it’s never the real one), I usually try to do it right away when it’s expected. That way players/umpires are looking for it and are least likely to be in position where they get could get hurt.
Finally – the most critical thing that goes through my head when I am throwing one back… MAKE SURE IT’S HIGH ENOUGH TO GET OVER THE BLEACHERS! Nothing, and I mean nothing, would be more humiliating to a ballhawk than having the ball clang against the back fencing of the bleachers and watching it drop to the street. Thankfully, it’s never happened to me, but I’ve seen it a few times and it ain’t pretty. Besides the abuse you’d get from the bleacher fans looking out, you’d never hear the end of it from the your fellow ballhawks. Never.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Or hit some innocent bleacher fan in the back of the head.
Watch where you’re throwing! Remember, I sit in the last row!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
You know, Al, I bet if you stood up and turned around...
...you’d be just the perfect cut-off man I need to help guide my throw.
Don’t worry, you’d be perfectly safe. Like any true Cubs outfielder, I never hit the cut-off man! ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Ha
On that note…DOME hits the cutoff and I love him for it. That would be hilarious at a game. Ballhawk—please next one you catch throw it Al.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
I'll be ready!
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I dislike the tradition
but one ball is fine, beers=never acceptable. Glad you havent thrown any, it be a long throw from Kenmore
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
The phrase "throwing back a beer"
in this context means drinking it, not throwing it on the field.
by Orval Overall on Apr 17, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
The only time I've ever done that
was from within the bleachers themselves and no where near a player. I don’t have the OF’er arm any more but my aim is well within my control.
I’d have to admit that if I were on the street and could not get it over the bleachers with margin, the first word that would be expected to be belted out is, “puss-arm”!
"Plus, if I do throw a ball back (btw - it's never the real one)...
Then what’s the point? Isn’t the whole idea behind throwing the ball back to show we don’t want a souvenir if it means runs for our opponents?
Kinda sorta an oaky afterbirth.
by neverAcquiesce on Apr 17, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess that was the original point and continues to be the point for the masses...
...but not for me, and I would venture a guess, not for a true baseball fan. I’ll let true baseball fans speak for themselves, but as for me, catching a home run ball has always been, and always will be, a great thrill. Words can’t do that feeling justice, though I’ve tried many times. Best I can usually do when I talk with people is to find out what is really important/cool to them and try to relate to it in that context.
So I never have and never will throw back the actual home-run ball. But yeah, I have thrown back fakes balls several times. I guess when I first started ballhawking (early ‘90s), I got caught up in the whole ‘tradition’ of the thing, so I felt obligated to throw back a ball. After a few years, I started to realize that was, IMO, a pretty dumb tradition, so that ceased to be a reason. But I also noticed how the bleacher crowds reacted when balls were thrown back and not thrown back. So I started to see the entertainment value in it, i.e. give the people what they came to see, especially if the Cubs were getting pounded and I felt the fans needed something to cheer about. So yeah, sometimes I’d throw a ball back just to appease the fans.
And, let’s be honest about it – there is a certain amount of ego involved here, especially in the pre-bleacher expansion days when the cameras were able to zoom in on the street action. It always gave me a bit of a thrill to go home at night and re-watch the game if I taped it, or record the highlights from the news if there was a chance that the cameras picked me up catching a homer and/or throwing a ball back.
But now that I’ve gotten older and hopefully wiser/maturer, I’ve come to realize the fans in the bleachers can be real asses sometimes, and it really isn’t necessary to appease them. Times I’ve been inside the bleachers, I’ve seen what they do to the poor fan who’s lucky enough to catch a home run and doesn’t want to throw it back. The verbal abuse hurled upon them, not to mention beer and a bunch of other garbage, is totally uncalled for. I saw a young boy once (about 10-12 years old) reduced to tears because of all the assholes around him and he finally tossed it back on the field. He buried his face in his mom’s arms and just cried and cried before they finally left. Security nowhere to be seen. This was a few years ago, and I think the pendulum of fan behavior has swung back a little towards civility so I doubt this would happen again, but you never know which way the mob mentality will go sometimes.
Anyway, sometimes it’s more fun just to hang onto the ball and let the idiots in the bleachers (and rooftops) continue to display their idiocy. Yeah, I guess I’m a just a middle-aged dork who brings his glove and stands outside the whole game. I can live with that. Apparently they can live with what they are too. Like Mr. Chevrolet Melloncamp says… “Aint that America…”
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Thats sad about the kid
In Philly this weekend I desperatly wanted to catch a Cub homer to hear the boos…..didnt happen tear tear.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
And youre not a dork (although I havent met you yet)
youre an original
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Different strokes for different folks.
Whatever floats your boat. Or any other lame expression.
I guess I just really like the idea of throwing back the ball as another one of the things that makes Wrigley what it is. I have no problem with anyone choosing to keep the ball and firmly believe that while playful ribbing and booing of said individual is appropriate, vengeful spite and degredation (not to mention driving a child to tears) is ungodly unacceptable.
I guess the fundamental problem I saw in your post was not in keeping the ball, but in throwing back a fake just to appease the masses. Keep the ball if you want, but don’t apologize for it.
Kinda sorta an oaky afterbirth.
by neverAcquiesce on Apr 17, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
hey hawk..
.What’s your most memorable moment out there?
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
that's easy...
McGwire’s 48th in 1998.
Also got one from Sosa earlier in the year (#14), so those two make a heckuva set of bookends…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Nice.
Takes quite a shot to get it out nowadays. Do you mostly hang out down the LF line?
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
Yep, usually leaning against the yellow brick building.
I used to stand in the Kenmore crosswalk, near the purple hydrant, or over in front of the Budweiser house but with the bleacher expansion, I think they’re more likely to come all the way the closer you get to the LF line.
Plus I’m getting older, so it’s nice to lean against something. And those bricks soak up the sun, which is key for those chilly April/May games.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
You say you listen to pat and ron during the games
How much of a delay is it?
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
no delay at all
a few years ago things got messed up a bit because TV was on a slight delay, so WGN radio put in a delay to try and to synch up, but I think enough people complained about it, they gave it up after half a season or so. Evidently quite a few people listen to Pat & Ron while at the game.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Beautiful post...
Nicely written…..are you Ken…or Moe?
"I lost it in the sun"
by Bump Bailey on Apr 17, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Ken, but I quote Moe quite often
He and Rich are the two veterans that have been hawking since the late 50s. Man, do they have some stories…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Love those pics from right field
Keep those bad boys coming…really nice shots!
BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"
Fukudome's only bad game
Saturday against the Phillies. The man couldn’t get anything done, what a bum.
"The Cubs can't be stopped" -- Me
Saturday
I thought he came in late in the game and walked?
by John Q Freejazz on Apr 17, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I would guess and hope...
That after scoring 21 runs in the first 2 games, that the lineup would be the exact same again today. I would be disappointed if it changed.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
I imagine Soto
will get a rest after a night game.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
Hopefully Ramirez can start hitting the ball
Not a cause for concern, but something that’s been bugging me is his slow start; especially after the rocket-fueled burst in his first month of 2007. Also, I always thought it was weird that Lee got a smaller contract than Ramirez. Probably has to do with timing, but I digress. He should be thanking Soriano right now, since it seems people are more focused on his less-than-stellar performance to the point that they’re kind of ignoring his own play right now, both defensive and offensive.
I visited The Cub Reporter this morning(burning the midnight oil…again), and liked the morning rant they had today, especially this:
But what’s really got me riled up is the bullshit that Lou and the Cubs are pulling with Felix Pie. The kid has some problems at the plate, no doubt. And I’m glad Lou is showing an active interest in working with him. But damn, he sits for almost a full week on the road trip and his first game back is against one of the better pitchers in the game, Aaron Harang. What you expect from him? Then Lou piles on a bit by leaving Pie out there in the seventh inning when Dusty brings in the lefty Jeremy Affeldt. Pie predictably strikes out again. Then after kicking Pie’s dog and sleeping with his girlfriend, Lou keeps him out of the lineup when the pitching equivalent of a pinata is on the mound in Josh Fogg. Damn!
I also liked what they said about Soriano’s injury. Honestly, just LOOK at the hop afterwards… that couldn’t have solely been the reason for the injury. The guy was bound for an injury; just look at his what happened last year when the same thing happened by him just running to third base. Hopefully it fully heals and he goes on a tear like he did in September.
"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk
Noone else seemed to have a problem hitting Harang
besides Felix.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
Isn't there some unwritten rule
where if you have an offensive explosion like that you don’t change a thing? Who knows if Lou’ll reach into his bag of tricks
"The Cubs can't be stopped" -- Me
Who knows?
What I do know is that often, after games like last night, the next day (especially a day game after a night game) is low scoring.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
I would venture
Soto sits; but he has been hot.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
I agree
Soto will probably get a day off. Or atleast not start.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
It was cool walking to the game last night
I walked down my alley off of Kenmore and was struggling against the wind nearly lost my bald cover a few times. Then in the upper deck in was nice and comfortable out of the wind.
Good times.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
I'm envious
you live so close to heaven!
Soriano should hit 5th. Period.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Apr 17, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
But I love MANITOBA!!!
not really just remember doing a project on it in like 5th grade. Probably didnt do too well either.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
It was a long process getting that houseq
We originally planned a halloween party but didnt move in til March 30.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Prediction for today...
unfortunately, after an offensive binge like the Cubs have had the last two nights, I think their bats will be quieted by young Vazquez and his killer changeup. The Cubs traditionally haven’t done well with guys they’ve never seen, and he apparently has killer stuff, if not a little wild at times. Patience is the key.
Still worried about Lilly…maybe today would be a good day for the wind to blow in!
Soriano should hit 5th. Period.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Apr 17, 2008 10:08 AM CDT reply actions
The wind will be blowing out today.
But not as strong as last night.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Let's hope
they bring the big lumber then…Ted might need the help. I still think he’ll turn things around, but the drop in velocity is concerning. Could be worse, he could be C.C.
Soriano should hit 5th. Period.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Apr 17, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Lilly
Yes, today is a big start for him to say the least.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
A win today....
would put the Cubs 5 games above .500… Al or anyone know when they hit that same mark last year? Just curious….
The Cubs finished 8 games over last year.
They first hit 5 games over on July 15 (48-43). High water mark was 10 over on September 23, 83-73.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
A few?
I’d like to see 15+ at the ASB, then 24+ for the season.
by blackhawk24 on Apr 17, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
thx for the quick reply
the team is off to a much better start than last year… GO CUBS!!!
by cubbiefanTN on Apr 17, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it really matters
I don’t see why so many people on this board get their fists clenched so tightly when the Cubs lose games early in the season(not saying it’s you, by the way), or when someone does bad(Soriano). Baseball isn’t a sprint, or even a marathon; it’s an ultramarathon. The ‘05 Nationals would agree with me, as would the ‘05 Astros.
I think what’s most important right now is continual progress of the team as a whole, but that can be important in any time of the season.
"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk
Hey Al...
Did David get any pictures of the drunken balls thrown onto the field by the drunken mindless minions who threw them?
I was just wondering if he did and you just chose not to post them, which I would agree with, btw.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
Unfortunately, no.
I would have posted them if he had.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Reason...
... it was newsworthy.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
True
I guess it could’ve been a powerful image to see all those balls on the field and to see DOme with his hands on his hips and the look of “what the…..” on his face.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
David emailed me.
He did get some photos and promised to email them to me tonight. I’ll try to post them later if I get them before I go to sleep tonight.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
Please someone buy my Cubs tickets for this Saturday
Ill give you a free parking spot at my place? I have a bday party. Email me.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
Now
you’re just rubbing it in :)
Soriano should hit 5th. Period.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Apr 17, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
bwawawa
ha, I know there is a ticket exchange but im getting desperate, they were kinda expensive, just figure the free parking spot is enticing. Plus Ill be out late they could park there as long as they want.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
I'll buy them - where are the seats?
Please email me at ben.lachman@gmail.com
Thanks!
by cubsonWGN4ever on Apr 17, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
15?!?!
Wow, I did not realize so many balls were thrown back onto the field. I liked your projected dialog from Fukudome.
by OKC_Hornet2006 on Apr 17, 2008 10:32 AM CDT reply actions
Where'd everybody go?
Reminds me of the South Park episode last night when the internet “broke”.
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
Oh my...
That image at the end of Randy at the computer desk…
Just, wow.
Kinda sorta an oaky afterbirth.
by neverAcquiesce on Apr 17, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
It was the ghost and his
ectoplasm!
"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk
LMAO
That was hysterical. I liked when he was charged $49.99 to watch….ummm…stick figures!
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
"At least
that part’s like the internet.”
And the giant buildup to Kyle simply unplugging the internet was brilliant.
Kinda sorta an oaky afterbirth.
by neverAcquiesce on Apr 17, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah it was.
“once you ahem to japanese girls aheming in each other’s ahem, you can’t exactly go back to playboy”!!!
I actually googled brazilian fa*t fetish and it actually exists!!! The very first one on the google list, is a message board that was created 100 days ago but 3/4 of the posts are from people who saw last night’s episode and like me, were amazed that this sz it actually existed, which makes it even more funny!
Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen
Hmmmm, maybe it was a conspiracy
Dusty had “plants” throw the balls onto the field hoping the umps would call a forfeit.
All kidding aside, how can a game be forfeited due to the actions of the fans if the fans are NOT Cubs’ fans? For all we know, it could have been a planned prank by a group of visiting frat bros. “Dude, we changed the outcome of the game.”
"Every team will win 60 games, every team will lose 60 games, it's what the team does in the other 42 games that decides the season."
Hey Al...
...just want to nice choice on the title of this recap, BTW.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Apr 17, 2008 11:45 AM CDT reply actions

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