Appalling racist Cubs shirt being sold outside of Wrigley.
This is the first time this has been brought to my attention and for those of you who see many games at Wrigley are well aware of it, but it bothered me so much I felt obligated to bring this to the attention of other Cub fans.
This shirt is not in any way affiliated with or a licensed product by the Chicago Cubs but the fact that it's the "hottest selling item" at the souvenier stand, is absolutely revolting and embarrassing as a Cub fan. IF anyone reading this, has bought this shirt, do me a favor and take a couple glasses of Clorox bleach and pour it directly into your eyes, so you can no longer see. Seriously.
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seriously.............
who in the hell would actually wear that thing?
applause applause Lemon
by plenz on Apr 18, 2008 7:03 AM CDT 0 recs
FUKUDOME
is a class act.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Apr 18, 2008 9:27 AM CDT
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Did anyone ever take offense...
to the Cardinals shirt that says “Cardinals take it in their Pujols”. I don’t know, like the article said, it’s a silly t-shirt. No reason to create an uproar.
by RMRZisMYmanCRUSH on Apr 18, 2008 7:35 AM CDT 0 recs
Hopefully
Cardinal fans did. That shirt was not celebratory of Pujols, was intended to tease or offend. It was based on a name that sounds like an orifice, not 200 years of racist and hurtful ignorance.
The shirt being sold at Wrigley is supposed to celebrate Fukudome, and in doing so it draws on despicable images whose purpose are to alienate, offend, images that have historically opened the subject to attacks of violence.
by patron on
Apr 18, 2008 9:02 AM CDT
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LSA, patron.
RMRZ, you are dead wrong.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Apr 18, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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but
“The shirt being sold at Wrigley is supposed to celebrate Fukudome, and in doing so it draws on despicable images whose purpose are to alienate, offend, images that have historically opened the subject to attacks of violence.”
It’s… ...a… ...shirt…???
Not a public figure running for office, not someone at your doorstep selling you bibles…
It’s
A
Shirt?
by RMRZisMYmanCRUSH on
Apr 18, 2008 9:23 AM CDT
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Words have power. Images have power.
I’m not saying the shirt’s creator or the people selling it should be drawn and quartered, but someone should get in their faces and let them know that what they’re doing is wrong.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Apr 18, 2008 9:35 AM CDT
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Correction
Words and images only have power if you let them.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on
Apr 18, 2008 2:04 PM CDT
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Right, if you live in a bubble.
I don’t. I live in society. Here both have power to affect my life and that of everyone around me.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Apr 18, 2008 4:21 PM CDT
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Let me be clear....use of racial or ethnic generalizations promote prejudice and bias
The inherent worth and dignity of every person, one can extend that as a growing 21st conscience as all living things and maybe the 22nd century will develop the conscience of all things in the universe.
The only way humor can be derived from this is making fun of the inherent bias as a slight. The slight of course are the “slanted eyes” as in exaggerated American Actors doing “Charlie Chan” or “Mr. Moto”, then with followed with the take on inability to pronounce properly the English phenoms….
This shirt does not elevate with dignity and worth it degrades the buyer, the seller and the Cubs. Ignorance come is all forms and learning from it is sometimes a tough journey, for the underlying message is WHITE AMERICAN SUPREMACY…..
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on
Apr 18, 2008 9:38 AM CDT
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Probably
You probably think Zambrano and Ramirez are the same because they are both of hispanic heritage.
Or that all dark skinned people come from Africa or have African heritage.
We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.
by cubstoseriesby100 on
Apr 22, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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Just want to be clear on this.
Racism = Bad? Homophobia = Just Teasing?
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on
Apr 18, 2008 9:07 AM CDT
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You have a good point...
...and let me make clear that I’m not condoning the Pujols shirt when I stated that RMRZ is dead wrong. My point is that there is EVERY reason to create an uproar here. The person who created this shirt and the people selling it should be made to feel the shame they’ve brought on all of us.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Apr 18, 2008 9:19 AM CDT
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Treat it with the disdain that it deserves.
I don’t know why you should feel shame for something you did not help to create or sell or purchase yourself. You’ve done nothing to propagate its existence or distribution. It’s certainly offensive, but in reality there’s little public outrage is going to do but make more people aware that the shirt is available. Maybe, if enough people get upset, the shirt won’t be sold on the street anymore, but then there’s always the internet.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on
Apr 18, 2008 9:29 AM CDT
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Maybe I shouldn't feel ashamed.
Yet I know that, if I walked by that t-shirt stand or saw some moron jumping up and down in the bleachers wearing that shirt, I would feel ashamed to be rooting for the same baseball team. Maybe that’s irrational, but it’s how I would feel—it’s how I do feel. And that fact that Dome is aware of this situation makes it all the worse.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Apr 18, 2008 9:37 AM CDT
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When i read
Fukudome’s response, I felt sad for him, and for me. And I wanted to apologize. He is not an outsider, he is not different, or even exotic, yet that has been so much of the focus of the media attention, that it has got to be exhausting at the least.
Let me rephrase that, the only way that Fuku is different is that he is fundamentally sound and seemingly cold blooded. Qualities very rare around Wrigley field over the years.
by patron on
Apr 18, 2008 9:44 AM CDT
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Right, this is exactly how I feel.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Apr 18, 2008 9:48 AM CDT
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No But
Let me be clear, I would not wear either shirt, nor laugh at either shirt.
However, there are issues of degree between the two shirts.
I read the Pujols shirt to be a joke on the anal nature of his name.
No implicit homophobia there, I too have a poo hole.
And I glossed over “the take it in their” (And, some non-gay people enjoy it there as well so again the homophobia seems to me to be distant), in that the true offense in the Pujols shirt is to a 3rd party, while the derogatory nature in the Cubs shirt is aimed directly at the individual it claims to uphold.
by patron on
Apr 18, 2008 9:37 AM CDT
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While the homophobia may not be as explicit, it's still there without making much of a stretch.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on
Apr 18, 2008 9:47 AM CDT
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i do agree
that a shirt addressing an individual versus a 3rd party is a bit different. But i often times think that people look too hard to find some type of hidden agenda in a shirt.. such as “White Supremacy”?? I look at the big picture…
Cubs fans our celebrating Fukudome right now. He’s an exciting player that makes you say “holy cow!” all over again. I always look past the details and just try to see the big picture of what people are really trying to say. Even if they say it in a dumb, low-brow way.
by RMRZisMYmanCRUSH on
Apr 18, 2008 9:47 AM CDT
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I guess I just choose to hold people to a higher standard.
The only way stuff like this stops is if racists - inadvertant or otherwise - are educated about their mistakes.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Apr 18, 2008 9:49 AM CDT
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I think we have to look at it
from the outside. Too many times we see a bit of a “mob mentality” when it comes to this type of thing. The Wrigley boobs get caught up in this type furror and feel that anything goes. I wish that as Cub fans we would look at these types of things as others would see us and realize that putting this type of thing on a t-shirt is just plain silly.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Apr 18, 2008 9:52 AM CDT
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The concept of white supremacy is as subtle as any message
Why is “Horry KOW” funny….but that a person learning the language in another culture is unable to pronounce the proper phenoms of this English language…English is a white European language that is dominant because of centuries of white European conquests throughout the globe….it is funny because we are dominant, here….making fun not only at an individual but the generalization that ‘they’ or ‘some’ cannot pronounce it to our standards…
White supremacy was what confronted desegregation when the Supreme Court ruled in ‘54 that separate but equal was unconstitutional, it is what confronts us now with unspoken racial tensions. Baseball in the diamond is pure for the performance of Kosuke (that is the name he goes by not the second name Fukudome which is our culture) is not based on race, but on the results.
Let me ask you is it racist if there was a T-Shirt of a caricature of poncho villa type of character…long mustache and dark eyebrows with a phenom caricature let’s say the S american announcer going HOOOOOOOOOOLIE COOOOOOOOOW like in their soccer games…..
Why, because we are a white dominant society…..whether you see is immaterial except that you may want to review why you don’t.
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by Ivy Walls on
Apr 18, 2008 12:40 PM CDT
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Or better yet .....
put Harry in blackface with big lips and big grin saying “Holy Cow Y’all”. As a black man I would be extremely offended by that. I just don’t think we need this kind of stuff. Leave the bathroom humor in the toilet.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Apr 18, 2008 12:48 PM CDT
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LSA
It’s too often that sexual preference isn’t treated the same as race, creed, religion and gender in this country. Jokes about ALL of these things aren’t funny, and they’re classless.
Haiku-a-Day for Fukudome, helping Fuku understand the American game, 17 syllables at a time. Visit cubshaikus.blogspot.com!
by Bildo1805 on
Apr 18, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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LSA!!!!!!!!!!!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Apr 18, 2008 4:13 PM CDT
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agreed
The Pujols shirts make me cringe. But while we’re talking jokes about sexual orientation, there are bigger fish to fry, like the playing of “YMCA” when the visitors pull the starter mid-inning. That’s not a small-time vendor making a buck—that’s a gay slur, made at a visiting player’s expense, by the team itself.
But we all know gays don’t like baseball, so who cares, right?
by techne on
Apr 18, 2008 8:15 PM CDT
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Huh?
I don’t see the correlation between playing YMCA, a pitching change, and homosexuality. I understand the Village People enjoyed the company of one another, but I don’t get how playing their music implies a third party’s homosexuality.
by Rev Gunia on
Apr 18, 2008 9:03 PM CDT
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seriously? you don't see it?
—“YMCA” invites the “young man” to come to the YMCA to engage in homosexual activity. The Village People were a gay novelty act, and the lyrics are 100% sexual innuendo. It’s true that the song’s meaning has been obscured in its years of being used to encourage crowd participation, but the meaning is there.
—The song is always played when the visiting team’s starter is being yanked mid-inning (during the reliever’s eight).
—Yanking a starter mid-inning is nearly always the result of a meltdown and is seen as a shameful thing, a moment of weakness/failure, by many. The player is mocked and derided at this time by some home fans. His manhood is often impugned.
—There is a stereotype out there in the public mind that homosexuals are limp-wristed and can’t throw, and that they are less manly than straight men.
Therefore. The team, via the PA system guys, is saying “as a result of your poor play, we invite you to homosexual activity.” Put another way, “Ha ha! You fag!”
“Another one bites the dust,” “na na hey hey goodbye,” “take me out” [franz ferdinand]...these don’t marginalize anybody. Course they are a different tone, and have baggage. But you get the idea. There are lots of choices.
by techne on
Apr 19, 2008 10:44 AM CDT
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I think you're reading too much into that
I doubt anybody is thinking, “ha! for that poor pitching performance, you are not relegated to locker room homosexual activity!” It’s really quite a stretch.
The song YMCA has been stripped of any subliminal homosexual messages. When I was a teacher and chaperoned dances, the DJs played this song all the time and all the kids did that Y, M, C, A thing with their hands. It was just fun song and never implied that the middle schoolers were gay.
It’s also played at nearly every wedding I’ve been to, not to question the bridal party’s sexuality, but because it’s a fun song to dance to. No social message. Just fun.
I think you need to breathe. Relax a bit. Quit looking for stuff to be offended by.
by Rev Gunia on
Apr 19, 2008 2:30 PM CDT
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has anyone seen the the shirts the cardinals fans made?
I saw a couple at wrigley that sai “Cubs suck, Lee swallows”
Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on
Apr 18, 2008 8:37 PM CDT
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Gosh, that's not even clever.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on
Apr 18, 2008 10:50 PM CDT
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Don't forget
This is the Sun-Times reporting on the story… not saying the shirt isn’t bad, and that it needs to go… it does. However, it’s a small souvenir stand outside Wrigley made by a few people looking for a quick buck… which they won’t get if noone buys it. The S-T has now given the stand exactly what they want – free publicity and fame.
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by sanantonecub on Apr 18, 2008 7:38 AM CDT 0 recs
Who in their right mind would wear that?
Except (from my experience and Im not lumping all Philly fans Mr Brennaman) possibly in Philly.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Apr 18, 2008 9:29 AM CDT
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This line in the article made me chuckle...
Kolbusz went as far as pointing out that the shirt’s creator is ’’an Oriental guy’’
It’s gotta be like 15+ years ago, when I first heard of the whole Asian/Oriental distinction thing, and people giving interviews to the press still haven’t figured it out yet.
Seriously though, the t-shirt, cap, trinket, and whatever-else-they-can-push-on-you-outside-the-stadium vendors are basically the same as the carni-folk we get out here in the sticks, when the fair comes to town twice a year.
You really can’t expect them to have any class…..nor the rubes (which in this case would be “the-one-and-only-day-I’m-at-Wrigley-Field” Cubs fan) buying up those shirts.
But…this is a non-story. There have been…and always will be…people that see nothing wrong with this shirt. It’s only when things like this, get brought up in “mainstream media” places is there some kind of outrage for a week or two, then it’ll disappear…. and nothing will change in the minds of the people that are causing the “outrage”.
by MillsChC on Apr 18, 2008 7:49 AM CDT 0 recs
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Kolbusz went as far as pointing out that the shirt’s creator is ’’an Oriental guy’’
Someone needs to read their Said.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
Apr 18, 2008 4:14 PM CDT
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Sigh...
Sadly, this is my sentiment when I see many of the “Fukudome” items at Wrigley. I’ve often wondered if people appreciate the irony of cheering for someone as you’re effectively insulting them.
by Damen Jackson on Apr 18, 2008 7:52 AM CDT 0 recs
LSA
It’s like rain on a wedding day, my man.
Haiku-a-Day for Fukudome, helping Fuku understand the American game, 17 syllables at a time. Visit cubshaikus.blogspot.com!
by Bildo1805 on
Apr 18, 2008 10:57 AM CDT
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What impresses me...
is Fukudome’s response about the whole thing. He handled it very similar to how Tiger Woods handled the lynching thing. I think it was Jim Brown who tried to make a huge race deal about it, but Tiger chose not too and keep his name out of the media for stuff stuff. Kudos Fukudome.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Apr 18, 2008 7:57 AM CDT 0 recs
This sums it up for me too.
That shirt makes me cringe. I would never buy one and I’m not sure why people do. That goes for most of the “independent” shirts sold by street vendors near Wrigley, including the ones extolling getting drunk. Who buys that stuff?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 18, 2008 8:17 AM CDT
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Who buys that stuff?
Frat boys. (Notice, I didn’t say men… ) :)
by Archie on
Apr 18, 2008 8:27 AM CDT
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Nice
Try not to trip over your own hipocricy making blanket statements about people.
by dorf on
Apr 18, 2008 9:09 AM CDT
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Plenty of non-Greeks wearing those.
Haiku-a-Day for Fukudome, helping Fuku understand the American game, 17 syllables at a time. Visit cubshaikus.blogspot.com!
by Bildo1805 on
Apr 18, 2008 10:57 AM CDT
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The same people...
Who go to wrigley to drink and not watch the game, the same ones who boo the players, the same ones who swear the entire game, and finally the ones who give the good Cub fans bad names.
(FYI – i am not saying i have never been to a Cubs game and not gotten drunk, but you guys know what i mean, i am talking about the obnoxious people who could careless there is a baseball game being played) So please not hate mail :)
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on
Apr 18, 2008 8:30 AM CDT
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The same people.....
Who go to Wrigley, get drunk, piss everybody off and want to fight when someone tries to get them to shutup.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on
Apr 18, 2008 8:45 AM CDT
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I bought one shirt from one of those vendors...
The one that has the mock Old Style logo that says Cub Style. I thought that was kinda cool. However, I hate the “Win or lose we still booze” (aka we dont care about the game as long as we drink ourselves out of the place) “Shut up and drink your beer!” as well as the ones degrading the Cardinals, Packers, White Sox and the Cell. I mean seriously, would you rather get a cool shirt FOR THE TEAM YOU ROOT FOR or waste $10 on a shirt with a bad mock up of the Cell scoreboard that says “US Cell Out Field”? Come on. Stupid crap.
by AndHart120 on
Apr 18, 2008 6:49 PM CDT
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The win or lose we still booze
anyone wearing that shirt is the exact example of Cub fans I hate.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Apr 21, 2008 10:53 AM CDT
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There's always a knucklehead.
This shirt proves that there is always someone around willing to do anything to make a buck. I would hope cub fans would show a little class by not buying this crap, but to expect a little intelligence from some of the rubes that come to Wrigley to display this kind of junk would be asking way too much.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 18, 2008 8:29 AM CDT 0 recs
Ugh
Sadly, ignorant people are everywhere. I remember back when Hee Seop Choi was with the Cubs, a couple of guys sitting next to me at the park were making fun of him and talking in a mock Asian accent. It was quite offensive and made me feel very uncomfortable. Obviously, these aren’t the attitudes of the vast majority of real Cub fans, but these types of things do not represent us well.
by lance dickson on Apr 18, 2008 8:34 AM CDT 0 recs
I mean its 2008
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Apr 18, 2008 9:31 AM CDT
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I was at "Sammy Sosa Day"
The year Sammy hit 63 hr’s (‘98?) and he gave a speech in English, and then for maybe 40 seconds spoke in Spanish and i could feel the mood of the fans change, and hear people muttering, “Speak English.”
by patron on
Apr 18, 2008 9:46 AM CDT
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Well I do agree that players should speak English
I am not trying to start anything but IMO if you are in an english speaking country earning a lot of money you should learn the language. If I went to Mexico to work I would learn their language.
BTW, Sosa hit 66 in 1998
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Apr 18, 2008 9:57 AM CDT
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Let's not start this debate.
For one thing, all ballplayers from other countries DO learn English. Some speak it better than others. Sosa speaks English quite well. 40 seconds’ worth of Spanish shouldn’t have been a problem.
Let’s end this discussion right here before it gets political. Thanks.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 18, 2008 10:03 AM CDT
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I agree---just wanted to put it out there
and didnt want anyone to really notice.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Apr 18, 2008 10:09 AM CDT
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LOL. Next time tell us...
...when you don’t want us to read your posts.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Apr 18, 2008 10:13 AM CDT
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Ill add it to my sig.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Apr 18, 2008 10:17 AM CDT
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Right, Al... Let's talk about something we can all agree on...
...like cockfighting! ;-)
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by IowaCubs- on
Apr 18, 2008 12:19 PM CDT
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You probably won't believe me...
but at the game yesterday I saw a young Asian-American woman wearing this shirt.
I didn’t think to take a picture.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. -- Dave Barry
by bluebythebook on Apr 18, 2008 8:47 AM CDT 0 recs
That just goes to show.....
that stupidity is not limited to any particular nationality.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
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Apr 18, 2008 8:54 AM CDT
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LSA
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
Apr 18, 2008 9:31 AM CDT
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I saw that shirt at the last homestand
And I literally turned to a friend and said, I wonder how long it will take for someone to see this shirt and make a huge deal out of it….thank you sun-times. While I personally don’t find it offensive because I am not asian, if the asian community finds it offensive then they probably shouldn’t sell it
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by ryanbrixenivy on Apr 18, 2008 9:02 AM CDT 0 recs
I find it offensive, and I'm not Asian
And I would even if I hadn’t lived in Asia.
by Shanghai Badger on
Apr 18, 2008 10:04 AM CDT
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I just read that article myself...
...and I completely agree, lemon20pie. This racist BS is a slap in the face to a talented, dignified athlete who has done nothing but good for the Chicago Cubs.
And I strongly disagree with those of you saying it will just “go away.” Have you watched Dome play baseball recently? He’s given us every reason to believe he will be a highly productive and well-known member of this team for at least several years to come.
It’s probably too early to call him the Cubs’ Ichiro, but that’s not out of the question. If this sort of thing isn’t stopped right now, it will only get worse.
This is why I’ve been so adamantly opposed to people making bad puns on the “fuk” in his name. No matter how well intentioned you might be, doing so twists his name into an obscenity and that’s disrespectful.
The t-shirt in question should offend everyone—no matter what you’re ethnic background might be. The t-shirt’s creator, and the vendor(s) selling it, should be ashamed of themselves. I’d love to see an organized protest come into play here.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on Apr 18, 2008 9:15 AM CDT 0 recs
I agree with your whole point, except the nick-name.
A name is not a race, and a bodily function (sex is a function)
is not only disrespectful. It is also blissful, important, funny, stupid.
A nickname isn’t only a compliment. It is a term of endearment
Fukudome, contains Fuku, no shame there, to ignore it, or look away from it is to wash over large portions of his personalities. To merely call him ‘Dome, within the context of this conversation (i.e. what is the correct thing to call him) strikes me as insisting that he be virginal.
by patron on
Apr 18, 2008 9:27 AM CDT
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Yes, but it's HIS name.
And, from what we’ve learned about this man, he doesn’t strike me as the kind of person who would find his name being associated with an obscenity as endearing. Sure, some people would, but I don’t think he would—and that’s what matters. (I would also point out, for about the 1000th time, that we have it on good authority that “Dome” is what he’d prefer to be called.)
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Apr 18, 2008 9:41 AM CDT
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Only the 2nd time to me
And I am still not sure it holds all that much weight.
On a totally different topic, I do not know what you’ve learned, but I know almost nothing about him.
And even if I read every interview he’d ever given, I still wouldn’t know anything about his person.
Part of the sadness i felt this morning in hearing Fukudome have to respond to the shirt, was the seeming impossibility of him expressing himself. The impossability that the meaning he wanted to put forth would come through.
by patron on
Apr 18, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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Interestingly, we seem to agree and disagree in equal measures.
I have a hard time understanding how you say that, even if you read every interview he’s ever given, you wouldn’t know anything about him.
Sure, you wouldn’t be as intimate with him as a personal friend or relative,but one can surely learn something about a person from reading (and listening to) their public statements. I don’t know Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens or Greg Maddux either, but I have a pretty damn good idea which one I’d like to hang out with and, more important, which one I have respect for. (There’s that word again.)
Moreover, I thought Dome expressed himself rather well. He’s not going to embarass himself by getting overdramatic about the situation, but he made it very clear that: a) He is offended, and b) The t-shirt should go away.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
Apr 18, 2008 10:04 AM CDT
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Fukudome did express himself well, and he always has so far.
And I did exaggerate a little to much. Sorry. But what I am saying is, you don’t know these players, which shouldn’t stop you from making loads of judgements positive and negative. When did you not like Clemmen’s? Before or after he left Boston, stopped being fat, became a Yankee, threw the bat at Piazza, sold himself to the highest bidder again and again? retired and un retired and pitched hal

