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Baseball Prospectus: Eric Patterson was the right choice

BP's Christina Kahrl wrote about the Soriano-to-DL, Patterson-to-MLB transaction in her "Transaction of the Day" article yesterday. Here's what she had to say about leaving Murton at AAA:

I doubt they’ll take my decoder ring for saying this, but not calling up Murton makes all the sense in the world. First off, there’s the little matter that he ain’t hitting. The I-Cubs have gotten the benefit of seeing Murton on first base a lot, and that’s never a bad thing, but as an essentially left field-only outfielder, the fact that Murton hasn’t delivered any extra-base hits is a bit of concern, so no matter how gaudy his .333/.458/.333 his line is for that hump in the middle, that’s a left fielder in the middle of his career not pasting the pitching in the PCL in the early going.

And also:

So, even if he managed to stick as a result of some heroic feats in Soriano’s absence, the simple facts are these: on the bench, Murton’s merely an alternative to Reed Johnson, except that he can’t play center and Johnson can, he can’t run like Johnson can, he doesn’t make consistent contact the way Johnson does (the way you might want from a pinch-hitter)… in short, Murton does none of the things that are handy on the shorter benches of the present.


Here's the full article.

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Absolutely correct on all counts.

Murton is just a RH Ben Grieve, without the defense.

by cubswin on Apr 18, 2008 9:39 AM CDT   0 recs

I think this is right on...

...and why Lou chose Patterson vs Murton.

Piniella is looking for versatility folks. He wants these plug in guys to be able to do more than one thing. I am also thinking he is hoping for a similar streak from Fontenot, that we say last June. Whether that happens, remains to be seen, but Murton simply does not give Piniella what he is looking for.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 18, 2008 9:40 AM CDT   0 recs

Then why hasn't Patterson started?

n/t

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by Al on Apr 18, 2008 9:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think because...

...he wanted to see if Fontenot would grab the opportunity by getting hot, like he did for a time last year. If Patterson is on the bench, Lou still has another left handed stick he wants, and also has the element of speed (none of which he gets with Murton).

I think Patterson will get some playing time, but his skill set, just gives you more options than you would get from Murton. Lou knows there is still going to be a lot of cold weather games coming up in the next few weeks. He wants someone who can run a little bit, to be of value in those low scoring games.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 18, 2008 10:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree.

I think that Lou will slowly work him in against some right-handed pitching and hope that he finds his stroke and produces some thunder.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 18, 2008 10:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

FWIW

Patterson is starting today

by dmlichte on Apr 18, 2008 12:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hopefully he does something productive...

And either way, hopefully whomever fills in for Soriano isn’t a black hole for the entirety of his injury.

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 12:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree with you.

As far as I am concerned, Reed can do anything that Murton can. If Murton was slugging like a corner outfielder should, I would call for him to come up. He has never show the power that I would like to see from a left fielder. As long as he is hitting singles, I would rather have Reed.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 18, 2008 9:40 AM CDT   0 recs

Loud sustained applause

Matt Murton sucks. He is a poor man’s Ben Grieve. Eric Patterson at least provides multiple skill set and versatility. Maybe Patterson can make himself into a Willie Harris type. That would be an asset on this Cub team.

by MDBNIU on Apr 18, 2008 10:03 AM CDT   0 recs

I wouldn't say he sucks,

but his value lies in being an everyday player (assuming he picks the SLG% up). Unfortunately for Thunder Matt, on this team, there are too many players better than him at his only real position.

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by northsider on Apr 18, 2008 10:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

(He has a quite limited skillset in comparison.)

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by northsider on Apr 18, 2008 10:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think that sucks is a bit

strong, but I just don’t see him bringing a lot to the table. God knows we have enough right handed hitters and his speed and defense just don’t do it for me. I know that he has a bit of scrappiness to his game, but I think we can do better.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 18, 2008 10:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Correction...

in baseball, there are too many players better than him at his only real position. I won’t say he sucks but there are a bunch of players around baseball like him and the fact that he can’t play center really hurts him. He’ll be a journeyman if he is lucky.

by rlpete on Apr 18, 2008 10:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 18, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's not really a correction, but your point is valid.

I’m talking about his status on the Chicago Cubs, not as a free agent.

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by northsider on Apr 18, 2008 10:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Either way

I just don’t see a lot of there there.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 18, 2008 10:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Geez.

We seriously have a BP writer that’s willing to judge a player on 41 minor-league at-bats? Kahrl needs to start with the shutting up or start trying to justify her existance with some actually insightful baseball writing, because this is sheer trash.

by cwyers on Apr 18, 2008 10:57 AM CDT   0 recs

Before you pillory Christina

You might want to read what she wrote instead of what got quoted by the diarist.

The line after the one you objected to.

Now, certainly, that’s small-sample cheating as arguments go, and I feel as most of you do, that Murton can hit well enough to be an adequate starting left fielder.

She knows what she’s talking about. You don’t have to agree with her, and in fact she admits that most sabermetricians won’t. But don’t criticize her for not being quoted properly.

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by Josh77 on Apr 18, 2008 12:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Having now read the article...

I agree with Josh. The original poster was the one who spun the context out of control. The writer’s argument is that Patterson should be called up TO SEE WHAT HE CAN DO.

Her point is that you know what Murton can do (i.e., provide a decent OBP, decent average, mediocre/below-average power, mediocre/below-average defense at just LF). The Cubs know that Murton isn’t in the long-term plans. Conversely, the Cubs DON’T know what Patterson can do yet. So from a long-term view, calling up Patterson makes more sense to her.

My disagreement with the writer is that I don’t know that a two-week callup in which Patterson is going to split time with Fontenot is really going to provide any good view of whether Patterson has a long-term role. If anything, it will lend itself to Piniella making another rash judgement based on too small a sample size.

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 12:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sheesh, I can't quote the entire diary.

I figured anyone who had an objection to what I quoted would, you know, click the link to read the article to be sure.

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by northsider on Apr 18, 2008 1:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But you could at least get the context right...

the reason the writer said Murton wasn’t the right choice has little to do with his start, and mostly to do with the direction of the organization. Murton has no long-term future on the team. The writer is arguing that Patterson makes more sense not because he’s better than Murton, but because the team needs to figure out what Patterson can do for the future.

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 1:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's not what I set out to do.
Here’s what she had to say about leaving Murton at AAA:

Not, “Here’s why she wants to see what Patterson can do.” To me it was kinda obvious that they want to see what they have in Patterson, sentiment that’s been expressed in other threads already. Maybe I should’ve included that too, but I was trying to get this up for people’s perusal before I had to leave the house. If you disagree with her, then disagree with her. Going after me for what I chose to quote doesn’t make any sense. Y’all have the same blockquote button I do.

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by northsider on Apr 18, 2008 1:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Except that you didn't even do that right...

As she immediately disagrees with that by pointing out small sample size concerns.

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 1:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I no longer care.

Got a discussion going and that’s all I wanted. If you don’t like how I did it, that’s your prerogative.

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by northsider on Apr 18, 2008 1:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

excellent!!!!

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 18, 2008 11:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmm...

My feeling on Matt since ST was if he hit the minors for more than a couple of weeks, Hendry would never see good value for him in trade. Now, I’m really left to wonder, as he’s not even viewed as the 1st call-up in a situation like this.

by Damen Jackson on Apr 18, 2008 11:37 AM CDT   0 recs

That article misses the point WILDLY...

the argument made by the author is that Murton shouldn’t be called up because he’s not had a productive first few weeks, and that he’s ultimately not a good option as a pinch hitter or backup OF.

Well, I won’t disagree with either of those points. But those points are kind of IRRELEVANT to the actual issue. I’m not suggesting calling Murton up and keeping him on the roster when Soriano gets healthy. I’m suggesting that Murton in LF and DeRosa at 2B is a better alternative than Fontenot at 2B and DeRosa in LF. It’s disappointing, but not unexpected, that a writer would miss that key fact.

Just like MDBNIU, this writer doesn’t seem to understand the issue. Who cares if Murton isn’t a good choice to stick as a reserve? That’s not what the team needs. What the team needs is the best solution in the everyday lineup while Soriano is out. When Soriano returns, Murton would go back down. Just like Patterson will go back down.

Giving a knee-jerk response of “Murton isn’t an everyday player” misses the point wildly. Murton is the best option among three not ideal options.

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 11:46 AM CDT   0 recs

I beg to differ.

I feel that keeping DeRosa in left feild is a viable option. This allows you to play a combination of Fontenot/Patterson/Cedeno at second base. If Lou rides the hot horse from that combo, I think the team will do fine until Sori returns.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 18, 2008 11:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There is no "hot horse"

Yes, DeRosa is fine in LF. That’s not the problem. The problem is that by putting DeRosa in LF, you are forced to put a less talented player at 2B. Fontenot, Patterson, and Cedeno aren’t good baseball players. Murton is better than them.

Moreover, your same argument can be applied with calling Murton up. None of those guys are useful pinch hitters, so it makes no difference who’s on the bench. Might as well have the best hitter of the bunch involved in that “hot horse” discussion.

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 11:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I just have'nt seen a

lot from Murton this year to warrant a callup over anyone else. I realize that there is a small sample size to make that statement for this year, but I just wish he had shown more at the AAA level. I really expexcted him to tear it up down there and the fact that he has no extra base hits concerns me.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 18, 2008 12:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Two problems with your logic...

1. You are basing it on what Murton has done in two weeks? That’s a bit short-sighted. Murton has shown to be an average major-league hitter over the course of three separate seasons, which is much more than you can say for Patterson or Fontenot. You should know what you’re going to get from Murton, and a season’s worth of no extra base hits is not what you’re going to get. Why make a judgement based on a small sample when you have a MUCH larger body of work to judge him on?

2. Even if you do use that short-sighted logic, what makes sense about calling up Patterson, then? He has done even less at the plate in that woefully small sample (.222/.282/.444).

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 12:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I admitted that it is a

small sample size. I just have a concern about what I expected from Murton when he went down to Iowa. In the past he has been an excellent gap hitter and I thought I would see more of that,

By the way, I am not in love with bringing up EPat either. I just think you can do a few more things with him if Murton does not supply some power.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 18, 2008 12:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You'll see the gap power...

again, small sample size. Murton has shown a lot of consistency season to season. He’ll get the doubles and home runs that he normally gets.

Patterson can do a few more things, but he can’t really hit. So you can either have a guy who can run really fast and just miss beating out infield singles (or run really fast to the dugout after a K), or you can have a guy who plays one position but can at least hit a little.

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 12:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You may be right

and Murton may start finding those gaps but It just raises a bit of a red flag for me when I see an accomplished hitter like Murton not tear it up in AAA.

I don’t think we are too far apart on this one. Maybe if Murton had got called up it would have put a charge it his bat. I guess we won’t know that for this exercise.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 18, 2008 12:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

His bat doesn't need a "charge"

His slow start in terms of extra base hits is not likely to be systematic. It’s most likely random variation based on a small sample. Plenty of guys can go through prolonged stretches without power numbers. This is especially true of guys like Murton who aren’t big power guys to begin with.

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 12:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You have to admit that a

prolonged slump is possible. What if he comes up and hits worse than he has a AAA? I just don’t think that it is a slam dunk that he is going to come up and contribute in a positive way.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 18, 2008 12:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Of course it is not a slam dunk...

This is MLB, there is no such thing as a slam dunk.

But you seem to be ignoring the issue. Why is Patterson/Fontenot any more of a slam dunk?

Do you honestly think that Patterson or Fontenot is more likely to hit well at the big league level for the next few weeks? If so, based on what?

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 12:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You are preaching to the

choir. I am not saying that Patterson/Fontenot is the best option. I am just not sold on Murton.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 18, 2008 12:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well obviously Murton isn't a sure thing...

I’ve tried to say all along that Murton isn’t a great option. He’s just the best of three not very exciting options.

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 12:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Like I said before....

I don’t think we are that far apart on this one. If they had called up Murton I would not go off crying and cussing. I do agree that the choices are pretty weak.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 18, 2008 12:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Furthermore...

the “Murton doesn’t hit for power” argument is irrelevant. Does Fontenot hit for power? No. Does Patterson hit for power? No. Do either Fontenot or Patterson provide any improvement in ability to get on base? No. In fact, they each provide less of both OBP and power compared to Murton.

It doesn’t matter that Murton plays LF, because you would be shuffling DeRosa either to 2B or LF. So you either have below average power from Murton in LF and above average power from DeRosa at 2B, or you have below average power from DeRosa in LF and below average power from Fontenot/Patterson at 2B.

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 12:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You still would be exchanging

Murton and Sori and I would like a little more thunder from my corner outfielder. I realize Sori was not producing power numbers up to his standards, but one can always hope for a plus in the exchange.

Like I said, I don’t think we are too far apart on this issue.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 18, 2008 12:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Soriano is a sunk cost...

You have to move past the fact that Soriano is out of the lineup. We aren’t capable of replacing him right now. We have to do what’s best with what we have.

Using the same logic you’ve just presented, we’re exchanging Soriano for Fontenot. That’s much worse.

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 12:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I realize that Sori is

sunk cost, I am just evaluating his replacement. Given the choices that I have, I’m just not sure Murton is the best option.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 18, 2008 12:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And why is that?

what is it about Fontenot or Patterson that you like better? Both Fontenot and Patterson are less likely to get on base. Both Fontenot and Patterson are going to provide less power.

You seem to be evaluating Soriano’s replacement based on Soriano, and not the relevant alternatives.

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 12:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Given the choices between

Murton and his lack of performance and what I can get from Patterson/Fontenot in speed and defense, i choose the latter.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 18, 2008 12:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You are overvaluing their speed/defense...

Patterson and Fontenot are both below-average defensively at 2B. And they play a more demanding defensive position. And they force us to move a better defender away from the more demanding defensive position. If I had to choose, I’d want the better defender at 2B and the worse defender in LF. Patterson/Fontenot accomplish the opposite, actually making our defense worse.

As for speed, Fontenot is no faster than Murton. And Patterson’s speed is largely irrelevant if he can’t get on base (and he’s not likely to get on base nearly as much as Murton).

If given that same choice, I’d choose Murton.

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 12:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, I guess we

agree to disagree. Great discussion!!!

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 18, 2008 1:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

murton's a slug on the bases,

you’re love for this mediocre player is incredible. The main reason Patterson is up over Murton is he is a LH hitter, plays several positions and can run. fontenot is definitely a quicker baserunner and has more extra base punch than Murton.

Murton is a barely adequate player, who just can’t drive in runs. You may love him, but the rest of baseball just doesn’t see the greatness you seem to.

by cubswin on Apr 18, 2008 2:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A few things...

1) I don’t love Murton. I just don’t hate Murton, unlike some people. I know what he is. He’s no slug on the basepaths. I don’t see greatness. I see an adequate fill-in in LF.

2) Fontenot is no faster than Murton. I’m sorry you seem to think otherwise, but that’s reality. And Fontenot MOST CERTAINLY doesn’t have more extra base punch than Murton. Do some research and get your facts straight.

3) Yes, Murton is a barely adequate player. That’s more than can be said for Fontenot and (most likely) Patterson.

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 3:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you admit it is a small sample size

but you don’t seem to understand what it really means. when you have a small sample size, you simply, absolutely should not make ANY judgments based on statistical information. No exceptions. So unless you find something radically worse with his approach at the plate physically or mentally (and you should probably be a scout before you say that), you cannot keep bringing up concern with how he hasn’t slugged,etc.

by ecbc on Apr 18, 2008 5:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well it won't make much sense

if they don’t start—starting Patterson at second, batting leadoff and putting DeRosa in left batting 2nd. Or vice-versa.

by Unique on Apr 18, 2008 12:21 PM CDT   0 recs

In Murton's defense...

...maybe he’s just drawing too many walks. He’s got 10 BB in 41 ABs. And, in his last 10 games, he’s had three multi-walk games. (He drew two yesterday.)

I understand Murton’s limitations as a player. But I’m not going to fault him for drawing walks if pitchers aren’t giving him anything to hit.

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by dat cubfan daver on Apr 18, 2008 12:26 PM CDT   0 recs

That's the thing about minor league pitching

Sometimes you see a bunch of guys who can’t throw strikes for a week at a time. In those situations, Murton will just walk. I was at a game in Louisville this week and the strike zone was as big as a team bus and still there were pitchers who couldn’t get a strike.

by DGU on Apr 18, 2008 1:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Murton should not be judged for his 2-weeks performance.

True. But he isn’t hitting to warrant a call-up right now. So I understand management’s reasons to leave Murton in Iowa for now.

by Fraggin Judge on Apr 18, 2008 12:41 PM CDT   0 recs

I want you to read over that again...

...and come back to us when you can explain whether or not you think Murton should be evaluated on his performance at Iowa so far. “Both” is not a sensical answer.

by cwyers on Apr 18, 2008 12:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed...

and in addition, take a look at what the alternative was doing in AAA by comparison. Neither was lighting it up in AAA.

At least with Murton, you know what you’re likely to get at the big league level. And it’s likely to be better than what Fontenot or Patterson will provide.

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 12:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Simple: Go with whoever is hot at the time.

That makes a lot of sense.

Besides, we should all reread the BP article. Patterson is there as a long-term alternative to Pie, not to fill-in two weeks during Soriano’s absence. And we know Murton cannot play CF. In short, Murton is a good player who appears not to have a fit in the Cubs organization. Whether Eric Patterson fits in is another story altogether.

by Fraggin Judge on Apr 18, 2008 1:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's purely her speculation...

I don’t think that Patterson is up here as a long-term alternative to Pie.

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 1:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

In Murton's defense...

The one game I watched, he absolutely killed a ball that slammed off the wall and forced him to hold to a single.

Then again, Patteson hit the ball well, too, and two of his at bats were line drives to the outfield.

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by IowaCubs- on Apr 18, 2008 12:53 PM CDT   0 recs

The reason Murton didn't get called up is simple.

He bats righty. Lou is obsessing over getting left-handed bats (not named Pie) in the lineup.

Additionally, Lou expected to be playing guys on roster, not whomever he called up. Fontenot’s inordinate suckitude yesterday is the only thing that changed that.

by DGU on Apr 18, 2008 1:02 PM CDT   0 recs

and it makes the patterson callup that much more clairvoyant...

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by IowaCubs- on Apr 18, 2008 1:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Murton definitely has his limitations

but I just don’t understand why the Cubs are scared to give him playing time. Versatility is nice, but if you can’t hit or get on base it doesn’t matter much how many positions you can play. As SoutherCub mentioned, Patterson is no gold glover at any position and he is simply not that good a hitter. Ditto for Fontenot. FWIW, Murton can play RF. That’s actually where he spent most of his time last season. He’s not good but he’s not going to kill you defensively.

Another FWIW: Cwyers did this little study recently and found that Murton is an Ok baserunner.

First off, there’s the little matter that he ain’t hitting.

Oh, he’s hitting alright. He’s just not hitting with power. Christina is fully aware of the small sample size but still uses it against Murton. That’s not what a stats person should do. Last year Murton hit .331/.407/.570/ nin 150 Abs in AAA. Did he all of a sudden forget how to hit minor league pitching? I’m guessing no.


he doesn’t make consistent contact the way Johnson does (the way you might want from a pinch-hitter)

What does she mean by “consistent” contact? Cause Murton is in fact a better contact hitter than Reed.

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by VS on Apr 18, 2008 1:16 PM CDT   0 recs

Agreed...

Ignoring the basic premise of her argument (which is actually a pretty fair stance – she says the Cubs need to find out what they have in Patterson, whereas they know Murton isn’t in the long-term plans), the article is just really poorly written.

She supports her argument with facts that she knows fully well aren’t substantive (small sample size). She fails to acknowledge that in that SAME small sample, the alternative had done less than Murton. And then she brings up consistent contact, which is just flat out incorrect, as Murton gets on base with more regularity than Johnson, gets hits with more regularity than Johnson, AND strikes out less frequently (thus making more contact).

It seems like she just threw everything she could out there, whether it was correct or not, to add filler to a post that could be summed up in one paragraph:

“While Murton is a better hitter than Patterson and seems to be the logical short-term fill-in for Soriano, it actually makes more sense for the Cubs to call up Patterson. Murton has no long-term future with the Cubs, who have their LF spot full for the next 7 years and their RF spot full for the next 4 years. Conversely, the Cubs may have a spot for Patterson, if he can prove he can play in MLB. There will eventually be an opening at 2B, and the Cubs have yet to address CF with any certainty. Calling Patterson up gives the team the opportunity to see if he can be a long-term solution at either of the two spots.”

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 1:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

her article is much better than

your attempt to glorify Murton.

by cubswin on Apr 18, 2008 2:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's an ignorant and very debatable statement...

How did I glorify Murton? I simply said (correctly, for that matter) that Murton doesn’t fit into the Cubs’ long-term plans and that Murton is a better player than Fontenot or Patterson. If you knew my opinion of Patterson and Fontenot, you’d realize that that is not high praise of Murton at all.

Your dislike for Murton appears to have clouded your ability to comprehend the written word in this case. Nothing I said is incorrect, and nothing glorifies Murton in any way.

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 3:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hope your enjoying E-Pat

0-6 4Ks , not sure how many runners stranded. One cheap RBI
and yes he can steal but only when he gets on with a FIELDERS CHOICE
So raise your hands if you think Murton would have done worse than that

by Doggie Stalker on Apr 18, 2008 3:20 PM CDT   0 recs

Hey now

E-Pat did what Lou wanted him to do – stand in the lefty’s batter’s box. Murton can’t do that.

The real question is – did Patterson’s presence atop the lineup keep Lee or Rami from struggling with that outside, off-the-plate “strike”?

The other fascinating question – who is most in Lou’s doghouse – Patterson, Fonty, or Pie? Are the first two out of favor enough that Lou would try batting Pie in the 1 or 2 spots?

by DGU on Apr 18, 2008 3:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Murton is being recalled

and should be starting in tomorrows game. I think Eric Patterson is probably being sent down. With all the big deal about Patterson being picked over Murton is probably more overreaction by Cubs fans. The reason they probably called Patterson up at first is because they faced three straight RH pitchers. Now they face LH pitchers 3 of the next 5 games. Jim Hendry even hinted at it the other day,.

General manager Jim Hendry wouldn’t rule out exchanging Patterson for Murton as early as this weekend.

“Just a situation, really, where we’ve talked about being a little too right-handed,” Hendry said. “Eric gives us some dimension from the left side, gives us some speed, gives Lou (manager Piniella) a little more flexibility on double switches. He can literally play four positions.

“At the same time,