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Open Thread: Cubs vs. Pirates, Friday 4/18, 1:20 CT

Pittsburgh Pirates @ Chicago Cubs


It's good to know that Lou has players working on fundamentals. BCB reader ballhawk sent these to me, taken from the Wrigley webcam at 9:15 CT this morning:

Felix Pie

Ronny Cedeno

That looks like Felix Pie and Ronny Cedeno practicing bunts. Nice to see. (Click on photos to open a larger version in a new browser window.)

More Friday morning notes:

  • Sam Zell says there is progress being made on the sale of the Cubs:
    Zell said in a conference call with creditors Thursday he now expects the confidential Cubs figures to be released to potential buyers in the next 10 days or so and a sale to be completed "sometime this year," regardless of what happens in ongoing negotiations with the state over Wrigley, or whatever the park winds up being called.
    The holdup, says the article, is in part because of the:
    efforts to work out a separate transaction with the state of Illinois for Wrigley Field, the Cubs' home, which has kept the company from releasing the ballclub's financial books to Major League Baseball-approved bidders.
    Hey, Sam: if this is what's holding it up, then sell the team and the park to the same entity!
  • For all of you who wanted Miguel Tejada, I'm guessing the Astros aren't too happy to find out he's going to be 34 next month, not 32.
  • Felix Pie isn't going anywhere (either traded or AAA). In fact, Bruce Miles tells us that Lou's trying to get him untracked:

    Cubs manager Lou Piniella says center fielder Felix Pie isn't a forgotten man.

    Quite the contrary, to hear Piniella tell it.

    "I've gotten involved," Piniella said before Thursday's game, which Pie did not start. "We're just shortening up his swing, getting him to hit more front-sided as opposed to back-sided. It might take a little bit, but I think it's going to really help him."

  • And in case you missed it, last night's Padres/Rockies game went 22 innings and lasted six hours and sixteen minutes.
Today's Starting Pitchers
Rich Hill
R. Hill
Cubs
vs. Ian Snell
I. Snell
Pirates
0-0 W-L 2-0
5.00 ERA 3.93
7 SO 15
7 BB 4
1 HR 1
vs. Pit -- vs. Cubs

I have been told by multiple sources that there's no way Rich Hill would ever be sent to Iowa. But if he doesn't start pitching better, starting today, I'd think they'd have to at least consider doing that, to get him straightened out. He gave the Pirates three hits and four walks eight days ago in Pittsburgh in a game the Cubs came back and won 7-3.

The Cubs have beaten up on Ian Snell pretty good in his career -- they're 4-1 against him and he's got an ugly 6.31 ERA vs. the Cubs. Ryan Theriot is 4-for-11 (1 double, 1 triple) vs. Snell and Aramis Ramirez is 7-for-20 (4 doubles) against him. I'd hope that Lou might give Felix Pie a start today against a RHP he can probably hit. (Pie has never faced Snell, however.)

Today's game is on WGN -- again, no Pittsburgh TV. For more see today's MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)

Baseball-reference.com game preview

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Maybe Pie and Cedeno should get out of there

so Henry Blanco can get some reps.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Apr 18, 2008 9:54 AM CDT   0 recs

Maybe they did.

Those two need help, too.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 18, 2008 9:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just a joke at Henry's expense : )

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Apr 18, 2008 10:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Also, I enjoyed the file names of those photos.

“buntingleft.jpg” and “buntingright.jpg”. If we had one of Henry, it’d be “buntingwrong”. Hey-o!

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Apr 18, 2008 10:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank you!

We’ll be here all week. Don’t forget to tip your waitress!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 18, 2008 10:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

well I was going to use their names...

...but figured “buntingCEDENO!” wouldn’t make it through the obscenity filters.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Apr 18, 2008 10:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Niiiice!

n/t

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Lou In Blue on Apr 18, 2008 10:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Zingggggg!

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on Apr 18, 2008 11:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You know...

I just missed it yesterday but they were discussing Pie on the broadcast, something about video taping his swing…maybe someone can fill in as to what was actually said?

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Apr 18, 2008 9:58 AM CDT   0 recs

I'm glad...

...Lou is getting involved with this, because I could think of few others, who I would rather have trying to get Pie to where he needs to be.

The problem here, is going to be making these changes stick when Pie gets into the pressure of a ML game.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 18, 2008 10:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Correct.

I’d like to see Pie get the start today, against the RHP.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 18, 2008 10:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The way Lou...

...was talking, it sounded like he wanted to work with him for a while before he tossed him back out there.

We’ll see, but at this stage, I wouldn’t mind seeing him out there today.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 18, 2008 10:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The quandary

Felix Pie poses a dilemma. The Cubs need to get some value out of Pie. He’s already spent two seasons at Triple A. Demoting him probably spells, for all intents and purposes, the effective end of his Cubbie big league future.

by MDBNIU on Apr 18, 2008 10:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A 22 inning game...

...and only three runs on TWENTY-FIVE HITS!! Wow. I cannot imagine playing a 6+ hour game; sometimes baseball just gets too long…and having to play in it?!

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Apr 18, 2008 9:59 AM CDT   0 recs

Tune into ESPN 1000

They are going to talk to Brenneman and ask him about the Pete Rose thing

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 18, 2008 10:11 AM CDT   0 recs

in the next 5-10 mins Its 10:10 now.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 18, 2008 10:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Someone please post a summary.

I’m leaving for the game shortly.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 18, 2008 10:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He said...

...he doesn’t regret “a damn thing” that he said, but he did apologize to the “good” Cub fans who attend the games. He said he may have gone over the top a bit, but there are other people in baseball that feel the same way that he does about Cub fans. Too many fans go to the game at Wrigley just to get drunk, which is basically his opinion.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 18, 2008 10:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Also claims

this doesnt happen in any other park in baseball. Didn’t back down much if at all in my opinion. Waddle is his friend and lobbed him some easy ones.

FU-KU-DOH-MEH! clap, clap, clap-clap-clap!!!!

by tony412 on Apr 18, 2008 10:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It was a worhtless ass kissing interview.

They babied him through the interview.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Apr 18, 2008 10:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i will do it real quick for you Al....

Arrogant.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Apr 18, 2008 10:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Perfect word

FYI, he will be having dinner with STeve Stone tonight…..maybe theyll beat a homeless man.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 18, 2008 10:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and then blame us Cubs fans for it

n/t

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Apr 18, 2008 10:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

From the Society of Professional Journalists

I see a handful of ethics violations (also see Minimize Harm)

http://spj.org/pdf/ethicscode.pdf

FU-KU-DOH-MEH! clap, clap, clap-clap-clap!!!!

by tony412 on Apr 18, 2008 10:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This guy is a jerk!!!!

Holy cow – he needs someone to shrink his head.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Apr 18, 2008 10:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I hate join the game late but,...

I missed what Brenneman said that everyone is reacting to. A short recap would help. Thanks.

by goddess on Apr 18, 2008 12:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What a @ss

Somebody sounds a little bitter. Maybe it’s because of the number of Cub fans that show up in Cincinnati. They feel like the road team in their own stadium.

by goddess on Apr 18, 2008 3:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Southpaws Gone South On Cubs

Lilly has been terrible this year. Hill hasn’t been that much better. I had hopes that we could get a combined 25-30 victories out of these guys with Lilly getting the lion’s share of those victories. So far, we’ve gotten exactly zero from them.

by memphiscub on Apr 18, 2008 10:19 AM CDT   0 recs

Small sample size.

We’ve played 15 games. After today there’s still 90% of the season left. They could still win that many.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 18, 2008 10:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Off topic, but

who else was startled awake by the earthquake this morning? I have a lamp with a weighted chain pull on it and it was clanking hard against the metal base. We just had an after shock. nearly as strong as the the first one this morning. I actually felt it this time. very creepy. California needs to take this crap back, we have tornados to worry about and that’s enough for me!

Geovany Soto you're my Hero

by love the ivy on Apr 18, 2008 10:23 AM CDT   0 recs

I slept right through it.

But I wish I had some kind of earthquake alarm to wake me up ahead of time so I could’ve experienced San Francisco without the high cost of living. And no, the earthquake itself was not the earthquake alarm, unfortunately.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Apr 18, 2008 10:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Slept through it.

Darnitall, wanted to experience one here in Chicago. Nothing out of place in my house, either.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 18, 2008 10:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Imagine

how a very large and close clap of thunder kind of rattles your windows and vibrates your house, minus the boom. I am quite a bit closer to where it happened than you, but still 291 miles away from where it happened according to the USGS. It’s interestingto look at the stats and map. Go to http://www.USGS.gov if you are interested.

Geovany Soto you're my Hero

by love the ivy on Apr 18, 2008 10:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I went to school in California for 5 years

And experienced exactly ONE earthquake, which incidentally was a little bigger than the one this morning, close to 6.0 magnitude. I was on the floor reading my ex girlfriend’s paper and I felt the ground move back and forth, horizontally. I thought it was a truck going by, but then my gf came running into the room hollering her pretty head off. It barely felt like anything, but it was noticeable. Kinda pissed I missed the one this morning! Half the reason I went to school in california was to experience an earthquake!

by cubsonWGN4ever on Apr 18, 2008 11:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Slept right through it in Indianapolis

I was the only one in my office who didn’t feel it.

Haiku-a-Day for Fukudome, helping Fuku understand the American game, 17 syllables at a time. Visit cubshaikus.blogspot.com!

by Bildo1805 on Apr 18, 2008 10:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ambiguation jokes!

Love it!

"This is why you just root against them (the Cubs)."-Thom Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on Apr 18, 2008 11:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Scared the bejeebus out of me

I was awake, on the couch, watching yesterday’s game on the DVR. It’s a humbling moment to watch your 50 story high rise move inches side to side. By the time I realized what it was (and developed a knot of fear deep in my belly), it was over. Just for a moment I waited for the floor to collapse.

Can’t say watching yesterday’s game made me feel much better.

The BBC would like to apologize for the following announcement. -- Monty Python

by Emelie on Apr 18, 2008 1:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Slept through too

in Iowa City and I’m very disappointed too.

by BrownE34 on Apr 18, 2008 10:26 AM CDT   0 recs

Blanton

I want to resurrect talks about Joe Blanton. I think the move that the Cubs needed to make this off season was adding another starter not named John Lieber. I say trade some top prospects and get Blanton.

by drodd on Apr 18, 2008 10:34 AM CDT   0 recs

Why? I don't

He’s an overrated pitcher who benefits significantly from his home park. Unless Lilly and Hill are done for the year, there is no reason to discuss Blanton.

by rlpete on Apr 18, 2008 10:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Perhaps you should reconsider...

Take a look at Blanton’s stats. Especially take a look at what he’s done away from the pitcher’s haven he pitches in. He’s not that good a pitcher. He’s not necessarily an upgrade over what we have. And he’s certainly not worth top prospects.

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 11:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Check out these numbers....

For those freaking out about Lilly and Hill:

0-3, 18 IP, 32 HA, 13.50 ERA.

These impressive numbers belong to the reigning AL Cy Young award winner.

by rlpete on Apr 18, 2008 10:35 AM CDT   1 recs

thanks for reminding me -

he is on my fantasy team.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Apr 18, 2008 10:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Who, interestingly enough, is left-handed as well.

Maybe there’s a lefty virus going around. Barry Zito continues to be pretty God awful as well.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on Apr 18, 2008 11:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah man dont remind me

its funny people think i will sell low on CC and offer these really bs trades on my league.

by xene on Apr 18, 2008 11:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hill and lilly

Al… I love how you think Hill needs to pitch better or get sent down, yet you say little/nothing about Lilly, who has pitched worse than Hill.

by big_lowitzki on Apr 18, 2008 10:45 AM CDT   0 recs

Hill can be optioned

Things would have to get really bad to do something with Lilly. His contract makes it where we have to live with him unless this carries on much longer than three starts.

by okiecubbie on Apr 18, 2008 12:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lilly is going nowhere...

However, he could be put on the DL until he “figures it out.”

But I’d be surprised if either Hill or Lilly disappear from the rotation. Piniella might get creative with Hill (mixing Lieber and/or Marshall into the rotation for a spot start here or there) and hiding Hill until he “figures it out.”

by SouthernCub on Apr 18, 2008 12:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope that A Ram was out there taking fielding

..practice. 4 errors already and it could be about 7 if it wasnt for DLee. He is been awful in the field this season so far.

Felix Pie must play everyday!

by JB 23 on Apr 18, 2008 10:53 AM CDT   0 recs

The game starts at 3:20AM here...

...and it’s available on my satellite channel live.
I’s already very sleeply at 1AM now, and I doubt I can keep open my eyes then…. will program my DVR to record the game in anyway….

I'm bleeding Dragons Blue.

by dragonsfanatic on Apr 18, 2008 11:03 AM CDT   0 recs

Gotta love DVR

I’ve programmed mine to record the game too since I’m at work. Have a good night!

by cubsonWGN4ever on Apr 18, 2008 11:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm sure it's been posted here before

but for us unfortunate fans who aren’t blessed w/ DVR/TiVo, MLB.com will let you watch the full game in its entirety after the game has completed. You just need to register.

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on Apr 18, 2008 11:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thats true and ive used it

But it’s not in crisp HD….sorry had to rub it in ;-)

by cubsonWGN4ever on Apr 18, 2008 12:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You have to register for an MLB.com account...

...which is free. You do not have to subscribe to MLB.tv, or any other pay service.

by cwyers on Apr 18, 2008 12:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

excellent

I had assumed this was only for MLB.TV subscribers too! Thanks for clarifying that for those of us who still use our Jump to Conclusions mat.

If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. -- Dave Barry

by bluebythebook on Apr 18, 2008 1:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gotta love...

...another WGN broadcast in Mid-Missouri. Go Cubs!!!!

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Apr 18, 2008 11:28 AM CDT   0 recs

A-bloody-men.

Sunday as well.

Kinda sorta an oaky afterbirth.

by neverAcquiesce on Apr 18, 2008 12:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

In case you guys haven't heard the rant about us Cubs

fans and how we’re careless w/ our balls here’s a link w/ the Brennaman Audio:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky9Kso9q_Ws

ESPN is also going to post the interview w/ Brennaman later on today. I’ll post the link when it becomes available.

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on Apr 18, 2008 11:29 AM CDT   0 recs

Question

I’m going to ignore the obvious careless with balls joke, but does anyone know of any internet sites that carry the game broadcasts for free? I teach, and I can’t get anything that requires a subscription to come through school filters.

Btw, about Tejada: when we were tossing around the idea of trading for him way back when and discussing it here, I remember making the statement that it was possible he could be older than he said (I had read a blog from ESPN where the writer had made that speculation) and I was soundly criticized for making a baseless claim. I got a chuckle out of hearing that yesterday.

by JDay on Apr 18, 2008 11:43 AM CDT   0 recs

I'm glad you ignored my attempt at humor. I would've done the same.

So your school filters subscription sites but not sites that illegally stream ballgames? Well I know someone posted these links last week and I’m not really sure how useful they are, let alone if they even have cubs games, but I copied them anyways. I used to use GameMix to watch the games online for free but I think that site got shut down and I don’t remember the link for it. I’m sure some other ppl may be able to help you though. Anyways, here they are:

http://www1.myp2p.eu/index.php?part=sports

and one of these players:
http://www.sopcast.com/
http://tvants.en.softonic.com/download

with the exception of one, which I found here by locating a CSN stream here:
http://www.watvon.com/

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on Apr 18, 2008 11:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, I wasn't sure it was intentional

But props for wording AND subtlety.

You wouldn’t believe the things this filter will block or ignore. At one point it was impossible to do a google search for anything (which is great for education), but students could log on to “swim suit” Web sites (There were swimsuits. They were tiny, but there were swim suits).

I noticed upon further look at mlb’s game center that they probably have all radio outlets covered by an agreement, so I guess I’ll stick with following gameday live or whatever it’s called. Thanks, though.

by JDay on Apr 18, 2008 12:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A feed out of Minnesota

of Pat and Ron kicks in around 2pm I believe. It can be heard on www.660wbhr.com

Kinda sorta an oaky afterbirth.

by neverAcquiesce on Apr 18, 2008 12:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ex Cubs last night ( good and bad)

Poor Glenden Rusch ended up as the losing pitcher in the 22 inning
Padres/Rockies game which is too bad as he pitched well and the run
was unearned. Cubs fan favorite Kyle Farnsworth continued to gain
admiration from the baseball world by throwing at Manny’s head after he hit two home runs against the Yankees last night. Peter Gammons said it was
just ” Farnsworth being Farnsworth” and hopes he gets suspended.

Maddux has flipped a with Chris Young as starts tonight. I don’t like this
as he gets a VERY exhausted Padres line up which did not hit last night anyway and I especially don’t like because it now means he should pitch in the May series ( Ok so I just root for unearned runs and a bad
Padre bullpen)

Some rotation info for those who may not look ahead. No Santana vs the Cubs but Z vs Mets ( Monday).
Of course the schedule made by monkees ( yes I know I insulted monkees ) has the Cubs go to Colorado for two games then fly to DC.
Gee not like the Cubs could have just played an EAST coast team before DC and the Rockies as part of trip vs Astros, D’backs or another west coast team cause that would be too damn logical.

by Doggie Stalker on Apr 18, 2008 11:44 AM CDT   0 recs

SWL, Jr.?

"In all the categories that yo