Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Knicks Beat Lakers With Familiar Strategy

Soriano infuriates me

I can't go through another season of Alfonso Soriano, aka the $136 million man.   His at bats drive me insane.   I've never seen a "franchise" player be so ridiculously un-clutch.   He is like a bathtub full of cold water thrown on this offense time and time again.   He NEVER comes up big when the Cubs need him most.   NEVER.   Did Jim Hendry keep the warranty card on Soriano?   Can we return him and get some of our money back?   Crikey.  

 

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

Comment 102 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

agree...

I would like to see more of matt murton this year. From the few games i watched when he played last year, he won the game for us both times. he is pretty clutch, a good hitter(my personal opinion), and he has some power to him. This current lineup will just not do. the 6 runs we have scored have came off home runs. i just think that wont do. I know it is only the second game of the season. but i am freaking out. i just dont like the start of this season. WE NEED BRIAN ROBERTS ASAP!!

THIS IS THE YEAR!!

by BadBillyGoat on Apr 2, 2008 4:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Soriano

His signing will go down as one of the all-time great Cubs blunders. Think of how much better off we would be right now and in the future with Murton out there everyday this season and all that extra money in the budget. Ridiculous.

by paulucla on Apr 2, 2008 4:55 PM CDT reply actions  

c'mon now...

i'm not exactly thrilled with the start of our season either but to say we'd be "better off" with murton instead of soriano is 110% KRAZY!!!! soriano is an all-star for a reason not to mention he absolutely carried this team last september during the stretch run & don't 4get we're only TWO games deep...

i do however think he should be kept FAR AWAY from the 1 or 2 hole!!! fukudome should bat 2nd & soriano 5th...that's my opinion

"next year" is finally HERE!!!!!

by ryno4ever on Apr 2, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um,

or how much better off we would be with Carlos Lee

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Apr 2, 2008 5:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Not at all

The Soriano signing was much better than the Carlos Lee signing and this will be obvious before 2010.

by DGU on Apr 2, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not at all...

Really?? Considering Lee has better career BA, better career OB%, more RBI, and more total bases and in most recent years K'd damn near half as many times...not to mention a contract worth $36 million bones less. But we wouldn't be at all better?

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Apr 2, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

guys,

soriano is undisciplined, erratic, and impatient at the plate. but he hit .300 last year with 33 bombs in limited time! he is a GREAT player, maybe not 136 mil, but that is the market.

he is in the wrong spot in the order. I promise, if he's put between Dlee and Aram he will flourish! FLOURISH!!! this has to happen:

fukudome
theriot (hit a bit today)
Dlee
Sori
Aram
Dero
Soto (nice shot today)
Pie (two hits so far)

this lineup would change the scoreboard, i give it my guarantee (probably wont influence anything tho lol).

Soriano a lo profuuundo-NO-NO-NO-NO! (Spanish for "Soriano hits a home run!)

by CubbyBlues on Apr 2, 2008 5:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Thank you - all

I am glad Soriano drives other people nuts, too. I like to call him 'Sammy' Soriano. He has a ton of talent - but he loafs, too much.

by jselinger24 on Apr 2, 2008 5:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Late Sammy.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Apr 2, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Geez

I hate this site now because of people like this. Sample size with nothing more than anecdotes.

by uwbadger on Apr 2, 2008 5:18 PM CDT reply actions  

See "A Word of Encouragement" by cubswgnrocks

The 100th time has GOT to be a charm...

by cubswgnrocks on Apr 2, 2008 5:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Soriano hasn't changed...

...and he will not change.

He is the absolute definition of streaky, and that can be very frustrating to watch. If a pitcher makes his pitch, he doesn't look to good. Fortuanately, there are plenty of of pitchers around who make enouph mistakes for him to hit his 35 homers every year.

Look up at the end of the year, and he will have his numbers, but he will drive you crazy along the way. All I want is for him to be moved down in the order where he belongs.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 2, 2008 5:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed.

Although, he is not moving down, he is moving up.

He's been succesful leading off. Let's see how this goes for a while.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Apr 2, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

In the short term...

...that appears to be the case.

Let's dig into this a little further.

This appears to be another year of mixing and matching pieces because the Cubs don't have all the parts. It's pretty clear by their pursuit of Roberts, that they know they lack a legit leadoff hitter. Going a bit deeper, if Hendry signed Soriano for 7 years (with a no trade) at those dollars to be a long term leadoff hitter, this contract could very well be his undoing when the new owners come to town. For 17-18 mil per year, you better be getting some serious run production from that player and that is only going to happen if his power is put to good use. Already, he is having trouble with his wheels, so the longer you wait to see if his talent will deliver for you lower in the order is going to make it that much more difficult for you down the road.

I have no problem with Lou playing around for the next 25-30 games, but to get the value you need to out of Soriano, he is going to need to adjust to lower in the order and that will prepare him to be productive for (hopefully) most of the years remaining on his contract. Lastly, please get Fukudome in the 2-hole where he belongs. It will also help to offset the lack of OBP you will be getting out of your leadoff spot, and put Lee and Ramirez in more RBI situations.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 2, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you...

... that Fukudome should hit second. If he's hitting behind Soriano, that's not a bad lineup, especially if (as he did several times last year) Soriano leads off the game with a home run.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Apr 2, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed however

Jacque Jones came up with the numbers by seasons end in his couple seasons here but during the middle of the season he was absolute shite. This is not to say he is JJ, I am just saying simply putting up the numbers by seasons end is not always enough. When you pay that much money, you definitely want consistency, that is part of what you pay for.

All that said, I think he is a great ballplayer and will play to his potential.

2 games people. The worst part of this is the shite we all eat from Sox fans. Fortunately, I believe they lost or are about to.

Calm down.

by Kinky Reggae on Apr 2, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well:

I can't go through another season of Alfonso Soriano, aka the $136 million man. His at bats drive me insane.

Here's a suggestion: There are 29 other teams in MLB. Pick one that you think you can deal with for 162 games and bother them with your constant pessimism. Some of us here are still able to relax knowing that it's been TWO FREAKIN' GAMES. If Sori was healthy last year he could have dropped 40 bombs while batting .300. As others have pointed out in response to your baseless claims of him being 'streaky' and 'hot and cold', he batted at least .280 every month. Give us a break.

In Bo I trust.

by Schwa on Apr 2, 2008 5:27 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Woohoo!

Well put.

Haiku-a-Day for Fukudome, helping Fuku understand the American game, 17 syllables at a time. Visit cubshaikus.blogspot.com!

by Bildo1805 on Apr 2, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly... stop your negative posts!

Every time you say something, it's negative, MDBNIU. If you have to bitch about something, then do it with stats and facts, but not this whining. It really doesn't do anyone any good!

Hector Villanueva's Career Stolen Bases: 1

by IowaCubs- on Apr 3, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I cant say

Soriano makes me mad. BBUUUUUTTT I can say I'm not impressed with his constant playing with the crowd. Even when the Cubs are losing he's hamming it up to the left field fans. Dont entertain me with acknowledgement when I'm in the stands. Entertain me with your skills at the plate and with your glove. Spend a little less time being my friend and a little more time being my employee...if ya know what I mean. I dont pay $42 to see Soriano turn and smile at the fans in left after every pitch. I pay $42 to see him hit long balls and throw out baserunners.

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Apr 2, 2008 5:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Is he a perfect hitter? No

Soriano is the definition of a steaky hitter. He had two amazing hot spells last year (June and September) and was a huge part of us turning the season around and making the playoffs. I can understand the frustration, but I don't for the life of me understand the argument that they'd rather have Murton. I don't think that Murton could carry us through september

Chuck Norris is a Cubs fan...

by Walker71421 on Apr 2, 2008 5:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm the biggest damn Murton fan around

and I dont understand the Murton over Soriano argument.....

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Apr 2, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

lets hope...

its just the frustration of an 0-2 start that are making normaly rational people say crazy things lol

Chuck Norris is a Cubs fan...

by Walker71421 on Apr 2, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

It has to be frustration.

Becuase it's not even a realistic argument. They are hardley comparable players. Different tools, different games. Soriano has sooo much more to offer. His arm and speed are in a different category than Murton. If Soriano didn't get a hit the rest of the year I'd rather have him bat 8th and use him for his speed and arm in left field than stick anyone else out there.

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Apr 2, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't mind the signing.

It's obvious Soriano's a valuable player. However, I am disgusted by his approach at the plate and would have him hitting towards the end of the lineup.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Apr 2, 2008 5:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Unclutch

Soriano is so unclutch that he only hit .278 with a .391 OBP and a .481 Slugging with two outs and runners in scoring position last season.

He only hit .318 in "late and close" situations with a .356 OBP and a .518 slugging percentage.

Let me translate "unclutch." He didn't get a hit at a critical time the last time I saw him.

It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.

by Josh Timmers on Apr 2, 2008 5:55 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Thank You!!

But facts have no place in this ANALysis.

"Baseball is like church- many attend, few understand." ~ Leo Durocher

by The Lip on Apr 2, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh.

I agree. I just hope he gets clutch soon. :)

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 2, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

See Josh

I can learn to love you.....nice post.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 3, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Soriano Will Lead Off...

...tomorrow.

Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Apr 2, 2008 5:56 PM CDT reply actions  

That's bad news.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Apr 2, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Remember the Colorado game?

How long have you been a fan? Good grief, this website is insane. It's been 2 games.

by Unique on Apr 2, 2008 6:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Please don't group him in with the rest of BCB.

Yeah, there are some 'sky is falling' type people around here. But he's off in his own world when it comes to hating the Cubs and everything about them. Having been here for long enough, just wait for us to start winning and this place will flip upside down.

And say it with me everyone: 2 down, 160 to go. Keep the faith, let's go Cubs!

In Bo I trust.

by Schwa on Apr 2, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

OMG

The cubs havent won a game this year!

wait it doesnt matter...

by Rudey on Apr 2, 2008 6:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow..

Soriano was one of the intangibles last year and the same will hold true this season. His poor performance these first two games should by no means be a cause for immediate concern.

You can't expect the Cubs to go 162-0 and you cant expect A-Ram and Soriano to bat .995.

This is the same game where you are considered successful if you get 3 hits in 10 ABs.

Stop being so quick to criticize and have some faith. Otherwise you are in for a long season.

The Cubs are better than this and if the rest of the NL Central underestimates them then they are in for a rude awakening.

The Time Is Now. [Chicago Cubs, '08]

by EJThunder on Apr 2, 2008 6:34 PM CDT reply actions  

hey you never know

based on the first 2 games, the Royals are going to win the world series, and the Tigers are last in the AL

"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue" - George F. Will

by tizzle on Apr 2, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Soriano hit .995.....

......it would be the most unclutch .995 in history according to lots of our blog-mates! It kills me- and it's funny.

"Baseball is like church- many attend, few understand." ~ Leo Durocher

by The Lip on Apr 2, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm.

He NEVER comes up big when the Cubs need him most. NEVER.

Yeah, like last September, during a pennant chase, Soriano didn't show up AT ALL. I don't think he got a single hit all month. Certainly no homers. He definitely didn't help us make the playoffs.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Apr 2, 2008 6:49 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Soriano

is a stud. His number at the end of the season will be top 10 for outfielders. He'll throw out enough runners to make up for "not being clutch" or whatever. The guy is a threat every time he steps up to the plate. How 'clutch' can you possible expect him to be? He can't hit a 6 run homer. Even if he hit 2 hr's today it wouldn't have mattered.

You want to single someone out for not producing the 1st two games then point your angry finger at Henry Blanco. Blanco hasn't done squat in the 1st to games to help the team.

(yea i know Blanco hasnt played yet. it was a joke)

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Apr 2, 2008 7:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I like Sori in the leadoff spot

He is what he is. He likes hitting leadoff, and he does better hitting leadoff. I'd much rather have his .950 OPS getting a lot of PAs (even with the bases empty) than a weak hitter like Riot. At the end of the year, his numbers will be there.

I'm much more upset at Lou for writing the lineup card he used for the first two games. If Sori's legs aren't healthy enough for cold weather, how can he play LF? If he is healthy, put him in the leadoff spot in which he's more productive.

Question for Lou: If, perchance, Riot were to actually get on base leading off a game, how can he steal second when Sori never takes a pitch?

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Apr 2, 2008 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree, Soriano needs to lead off and cwyers analysis from the offseason on BCB..

proves this....a good read if you havent yet.

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Apr 2, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

UNCLUTCH SUPREMO

He was indeed most of last year although somehow it's not obvious in his stats. He's a choker.

by Just Mike on Apr 2, 2008 8:50 PM CDT reply actions  

haha, this retort absolutely killed me.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Apr 3, 2008 3:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well..

ethankyoukindly.

Calm down.

by Kinky Reggae on Apr 4, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

so if you don't base this on the numbers

what do you base it on?

Pete's sake. Everyone wants him to do well. But it's April freaking 3rd.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 3, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm disapointed

that Lee only had one home run today. I think we should sit him in favor of Ward..

Finally!

by Chanman25 on Apr 2, 2008 9:02 PM CDT reply actions  

for sure

Time to call up Hoff

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Apr 2, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

i know its only been 2 games

but seeing this offense makes the TTSNBN a necessity..
we NEED roberts for a leadoff hitter because we do not have one
soriano needs to bat fifth and theriot should be no where near the top of the order, let alone leading off

i know everyone hates reading peoples proposed lineups but

roberts
fukudome
lee
ramirez
soriano
soto
derosa/theriot
pie
pitcher

by grathanial on Apr 2, 2008 9:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh, please.

The Cubs made the playoffs with Soriano leading off in 2007. They can do so again in 2008.

The REAL key to this team's offense this year is Soto. Seriously. That's the position at which we thought we were getting a major upgrade. If we don't, this offense is in trouble.

TTSNBN is not happening.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Apr 2, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al

You were talking to a gentleman with a nametag when I met you yesterday I think his name was George...Deep Goat George?

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 3, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

No.

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Apr 3, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

wow settle down!!

first of soriano was hurt most of the second half of the season and was never really 100% so did he help us make the playoffs really no but he wasnt 100% either. but some of you need to settle down its the first two games of the season.. the club got off to a bad start last season and end strong. i know there are big expectations this year as i have every year for them but some of you are sounding like band wagon fans and just cause they have a slow start are riping them. we have waited for 100 years so wait another 10 or 20 games before we start not believing!

by bizzle4 on Apr 2, 2008 9:14 PM CDT reply actions  

oh and i believe soriano should go back to lead off it is where he is most comfortable and his best numbers he will come around. and put either theriot or fukudome in the 2 hole.

by bizzle4 on Apr 2, 2008 9:17 PM CDT reply actions  

i have complete faith, i just hate watching soriano bat

and why are the posts in pacific time?

by grathanial on Apr 2, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only you cringe...

The rest of us just watch the game and cheer for OUR team.

"The one that invent the light tried 2,000 times and finally he did it, we have light...I don't want to spend 2,000 times to win Opening Day" Carlos Zambrano

by CubsBullsBears on Apr 2, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm happy for you

I've been a diehard for 31 years now and my butt has been plastered in the seats at Wrigley for hundreds upon hundreds of ballgames. I also played the game thru college. But if you want to question my baseball acumen and my affection for the Cubs then by all means go right ahead.

by MDBNIU on Apr 2, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

no one's questioning your "baseball acumen."

We're questioning your attitude. Because it stinks.

By the way, I believe I won my bet.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 3, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I sometimes cringe.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Apr 2, 2008 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good grief

My "reaction" to Alfonso Soriano is based on his performance (and antics) in 2007 and 2 games in 2008. The man is Sam-ME Steroid Lite. There is no debate that he can be an offensive force during one of his patented hot streaks. But what about the other times?!?!? A $136 million for a guy who is an absolute rally killer. He is being paid $136 million to be a FRANCHISE player, not a Juan Encarnacion impersonator for 2/3 rd's of a season.

And I shall say it again. Where was Soriano in the Arizona series last fall?? Name me one Cub who had more of a detrimental impact on the offense than the hacking and flailing Soriano.

The comparison isn't Juan Encarnacion. The comparison isn't Matt Murton. The comparison should be the elite run producers in the league. And if some of you don't understand that then you don't know jack scratch about the game of baseball.

by MDBNIU on Apr 2, 2008 9:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Who was more of a detriment in the NLDS?

ONE ARAMIS RAMIREZ.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 3, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

no one was great

in the NLDS. They all fell apart. I don't think you can point the finger at any one player; it was the team. I suppose if you have to lay blame, you lay it at Lou's feet; he's the manager.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 3, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

True

Im just pointing out that as much as Sori sucked in that series so did Rammy. Now, Rammy hasnt a hit yet this season either. We all (by we I am not including me) need to calm and realize there is a TON of baseball.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 3, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

absolutely

And Rami has walked, I saw him do it. :D

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 3, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

The NLDS...

...was a great example of a team (the D-backs) taking the scouting reports and executing their pitching strategy right to it. Give them credit for making the pitches, but it also has to open your eyes to how vulnerable one dimensional offenses can be in the playoffs.

This is the reason I want the Cubs to solidify the top of the order.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 3, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Things tend to look worse...

...with Soriano because he can have some absolutely putrid at bats and he K's quite often. Then, he will get red hot for 3-4 games and hit 4-5 home runs.

It's also frustrating because you see a Ramirez or Lee, who have the capability to take a pitchers pitch and line a base hit to the opposite field in an important part of the game. That is not what you will ever see with Soriano, he is a pure mistake hitter, which is why he can look so bad and so good.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 2, 2008 9:35 PM CDT reply actions  

And riddle me this....

....what happens when the 30-something athletically built Soriano loses a couple nanoseconds of bat speed?!? Pure guess hitters of his profile are prone to shocking dropoff at X point in their career. And oh goody goody, Soriano is locked up for 7 more years.

by MDBNIU on Apr 2, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is the easiest fix of all

he swings the biggest damn bat in baseball. Just get him a lighter bat.

Poor Matty Murton....

by Keystone80435 on Apr 2, 2008 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the key...

...is to think about how you can maximize his strength as a hitter - being able to provide power. He is a prototypical power guy - high K's, streaky, but with the capability of carrying a club for a period of time. He will put up numbers, but its a shame to lose the RBI's that he could get lower in the order.

I realize he hasn't had as much success lower in the order, but if refuse to believe that means he could never hit as many homers hitting lower in the order, after adjusting. The fact of the matter is this; if the Cubs gave him his contract to be their leadoff hitter for an extended period, I think it was a mistake and the contract will end up a big problem a year or two down the road.

I assume Hendry didn't make the Roberts deal because he was thinking of the future, and not wanting to give up too much young talent. I have no problem with that, but they need to do the samething with Soriano, and realize to get the run production they need from him, it is going to have to be lower in the order for several years to come.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 2, 2008 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, one suggestion

is to make this change later in a season where we don't contend, or from the beginning of spring training. It's a high-pressure season already; we know he's somewhat a headcase about batting first, and you can tell he's trying to win the game on one swing for a lot of his bats -- messing with his equilibrium then just isn't going to work.

Till we have that season (and frankly, I'd rather we didn't for the duration of his contract), I think we leave him at leadoff. It's not like he NEVER comes up to bad with no RISP.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 3, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

OR

He can figure it out, put on 20+ pounds of muscle and hit 50+ bombs.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 3, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

a terrible record

i heard the other day soriano held a record for most swings at pitches out of the strike zone... ill take that for a .300 35 homer guy and watching him hit balls pretty much off the ground into the leftfield bleachers is pretty entertaining to me

by dariot2 on Apr 2, 2008 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Response

The problem is that when Soriano isn't going well he has a chilling (and often devastating) impact on the overall effectiveness of the lineup. So it begs the question. Can you live with him doing a Juan Encarnacion impersonation for 2/3rd's of a season augmented by his hot flashes when his guess hitting is in the zone???

I think there are 29 other teams around baseball snickering that the Cubs signed Soriano to such an outrageous contract for what he is.

by MDBNIU on Apr 2, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

if you think the Sori deal is bad, how would you feel about being a Giants fan with Zito?

or perhaps how Arte Morneo will feel in two years with absurd money Hunter got?

Point is, that is what the market will bear and as far as I am concerned, still money well spent.

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Apr 2, 2008 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Sarge, Jr.!

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Apr 3, 2008 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

OR JUAN PIERRE MONEY

bwwawaww

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 3, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

You must be a very miserable person.

Which sounds about right to me. I'm sure there are times you look around and go, "What did I ever do to deserve this?" And I bet there's not one time when you're honest with yourself in how you answer. Because I am absolutely convinced you are deserving of all of the anguish you must feel.

I've softened my stance on batting Soriano leadoff recently, but the hell with it - Soriano definately needs to lead off, just so he can get more at-bats to spite you with. I hope every single one of them brings you immense displeasure.

Because... do you know what your alternative is? The door. Soriano isn't going anywhere. Either you can accept it or you can't. And it's really not my problem if you can't.

by cwyers on Apr 2, 2008 10:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Well

That's intelligent and a personal attack all wrapped up into one. It's your modus operandi. But's that's okay here. It's well-schooled diehards who are to be ripped a new one for dare suggesting that Alfonso Soriano isn't what he's all that cracked up to be.

by MDBNIU on Apr 2, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

What did you

expect BlueMike? You are entitiled to your opinion but to not expect others to disasgree is foolish. It's very clear you are wearing on most posters nerves.

by sue369 on Apr 3, 2008 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I figured out who he is

Hes not Bluemik (that someone would have to give me a background on anyways) he is Dan Bersntein---or Bernsteind brother---has to be

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 3, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Trust me

it is BlueMike. Go back to last summers diaries and read some of his posts. Same crap he's posting now.

by sue369 on Apr 3, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

CWYERS

You know he is the guy that will give us the I TOLD YOU SO routine when Sori hits a bomb in a playoff series (wouldnt that be great)

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 3, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

One of Hendry's worst moments

Soriano was an awful signining, pure and simple. It doesn't mean he is worse than Murton or that he doesn't contribute. Bus as a player who plays in THE premium offensive position (LF) he is not elite, but is making elite money.

When Hendry signed Soriano he failed to look at the team he had (low OBP, undisciplined offense) and added more of the same. Usually your left fielder are your more disciplined hitters and most productive. Soriano is not that. He was given that much money in part because he could steal some bases, but pretty soon that will be irrelevant because either he will stop stealing or because his stolen base percentage will not be good enough. He is not a defensive wizard either.

And the biggest problem is that because of the hitter he is he will probably be extra effective with bad pitchers and much less efective (compared to other players with similar numbers) against good pitchers. When you are in the post season, facing good teams with good pitching, he will probably not be a guy you can count on.

Taking all this into consideration, the Cubs could have and should have done much better with the money they had to spend. And yes, Carlos Lee would have been a better signing.

But what can we do? He is here and there's nothing we can do about it.

by Luis on Apr 3, 2008 5:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Post-season stats:

In 160 AB his line is: .225/.279/.319 for an OPS of .598. Exactly what would be expected.

by Luis on Apr 3, 2008 6:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Take a look at that last AB

In Soriano's last AB he took a strike on the outside part of the plate count went to 1-1(I think) next pitch off the plate outside called a strike now 1-2. He takes a ball then the pitcher throws a good pitch moving away, Soriano has to swing after the wide strike. I have actually noticed a more patient(still not very patient) Soriano. The AB that was bad was Cedeno swinging at a 3-1 pitch waaay inside for a pop out, and of course Soto hits a homer.

by Imtrejo on Apr 3, 2008 8:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Not to mention that

across the board, umpires seem to be calling a bit of wide zone through the first couple games, especially to RH hitters. It was really bad in the Yanks-Blue Jays game last night. The Cub RH'ers ar going to have to make the adjustment.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 3, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good observation...

...in general, it appears as though the plate has expanded towards the outside corner and shrunk on the inside corner. PItchers are getting the ball 2-3 inches off the plate, but are not getting the one that nips the inside corner. I think this is one of the reasons you have seen a lot of hitters creep up on the plate, so they can cover that outside pitch, and they are getting plunked a little more often.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 3, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

It sure seems so.

I agree on the inside strike, as well. It's just not being called. I hope it's not going to take someone getting plunked in the bean to get MLB to enforce a consistent, below the letters-to-knees strike zone.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 3, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

The bully pulpit has spoken

There are sacred cows among some of the membership here. That much is clear. I'll let the sabermetricians and housewives have at it. Lord knows knowledge of the game and objective analysis by the diehard fan who actually knows something about the game isn't welcome.

I'll say two hail marys in the name of Bill James as pennance for my sins.

by MDBNIU on Apr 3, 2008 8:56 AM CDT reply actions  

re: The bully pulpit has spoken

I don't want to get all Zen here...but negativity draws negativity. Maybe if you tried balancing your constant, repetitive, boo-hoo harping on every single aspect of this team with a few, however-brief asides of optimism, you'd get a little more respect. As others have said, it's been two frickin' games. Look back at Soriano's career numbers and you'll see he is, if anything, a remarkably consistent hitter. In fact, his slugging percentage in '06 and '07 was an idential .560 -- and that's with 68 fewer ABs last year!

The way I see it, Alfonso Soriano is like the weather. When he puts the bat on the ball with authority, it's like the brightest, warmest, gosh dern bestest summer day -- truly a thing of astounding beauty. And when he's flailing at breaking balls out of the zone, as he's been doing so far this season (again, two games!), it's the coldest, saddest, grayest winter day. The point is, anyone with any passing familarity with the weather in Chicago should know: If you don't like it, just wait until tomorrow.

The same holds true for Soriano. Put him where he's comfortable, take the bad with the good and be patient. I trust that he will produce.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by daver on Apr 3, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just because you played in college

doesnt make your opinion FACT. I played in college for 1 day, 1 day was enough to blow out my shoulder. I am obsessed with baseball, have been an umpire for 14 years and I am only 27 years old, I never miss a game, I tape every game and I watch every highlight. Although I do not state my opinion as fact.

Tell Terry Boers I said hi.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 3, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Everything I state is opinion

Informed opinion. But alas, I've been made out to be over-reactionary to two games worth of baseball. Even though I stated clearly that my disgruntlement with Soriano reaches back to his arrival in Chicago. If you want to argue that I am flat out wrong that Soriano has detrimental impact on the overall effectiveness of the Cub offense when his guess hitting isn't in the zone, then so be it. The fundamental description of a good top of the order hitter is somebody who brings CONSISTENCY and is an IGNITER. One week of crushing fastballs and carrying the team followed by several weeks of flailing away and short circuiting the effectiveness of the Cub offense doesn't fit the profile of being a $136 million franchise player who insists on batting leadoff.

Soriano is known as what is commonly referred to in baseball circles as a "stats whore." Peel back the skin of the onion and, overall, you become distressed by what you see. There's a difference between Soriano coming up aces for your fantasy team and being a quality member of the Chicago Cubs. And I'll stand by the statement that there are 29 other baseball teams around baseball that are very glad that they sure weren't the ones to dole out an 8 year contract on this guy.

by MDBNIU on Apr 3, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

several weeks?

When did Soriano go flailing away for several weeks? I know he was injured for part of the season, but was there ever a stretch of more than two weeks where he was slumping?

He hit 12 home runs in SEPTEMBER!

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 3, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

14, actually.

You're wasting your time arguing with MDBNIU. Seriously.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Apr 3, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh, I know

but I'd like to know what Soriano's least productive time -- excluding the injury duration -- was.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 3, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would think last April,

when he went homerless.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Apr 3, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think that word means what you think it means

Lord knows knowledge of the game and objective analysis by the diehard fan who actually knows something about the game isn't welcome.

What you're doing is called subjective analysis. There's absolutely nothing objective about what you're spouting.

In fact looking back on everything you've posted in this thread - and this is typical of you - I don't see one objective statement. I see a lot of anecdotes and opinions (and this ridiculous gem that I've quoted here) but nothing that even remotely qualifies as objective.

You've got this persecution complex, you think that people don't like you because they can't take off the rose colored glasses and see this golden insightful truth you're sharing. The fact is, people don't like you because you're constantly spouting opinions that you refuse to back up. At all. This entire thread you're crying about the "bully pulpit" but you haven't backed up your opinion with one single fact. Not one.

by Wreckard on Apr 3, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stop saying diehard Cubs fan...

it reaks of insecurity BlueMike. Soriano is what he is and no amount of bitching from you or anyone else will change this. And who cares anyway that you played baseball in clooege? I know I don't. Unless you can step up and out-perform Soriano, then I think you have no ground to stand on. Soriano performed well last year when he was hurt, and he will do it again and again. Perhaps Hendry isn't planning on hanging on to him for the full seven years. Players get traded you know, unless die hard Cub fans have never been schooled in the ways of the big leagues?

Calm down.

by Kinky Reggae on Apr 4, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

College not coolege

but BlueMike probably knew this cause he is an intelligent and well informed die hard Cub fan.

Calm down.

by Kinky Reggae on Apr 4, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to Bleed Cubbie Blue, the Chicago Cubs blog for the SB Nation, created on February 9, 2005 by Al Yellon

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Small
Jazz Up Your Recs!
Img_0001_small
Value of Various Plate Approaches
284_small
Cubs' Fantasy Camp 2012 as seen by a Player's Wife
P7200073_small
Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp 2012

Recent FanPosts

Small
Arguably OT: Aussie Baseball Finals Go To Decisive Game Three
Small
New Cubs draft strategy player development
Jeffnewwork_small
What I Expect From The Cubs In 2012
Wrigley_scoreboard_small
What To Do With Alfonso Soriano
Small
A quick update from the 2012 concessions orientation
Caray_small
Is there any FA left worth going after?
Marvin_the_martian_small
Thoughts On Gerardo Concepcion: Trust The Scouts
Star_small
What if Hendry were still our GM instead of TheoJed?

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

FanShots

Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.

Recommended FanShots

Nice article about Ernie Banks
Yankees Hire Jim Hendry
Dale Sveum Meets Early Arrivals At Camp Buss

Recent FanShots

The Rickettsification of Wrigleyville has begun!
Marlins' Cespedes Offer 6 years, under $40M (MLBTR Link)
BCB Fantasy Baseball 2012
Former Cubs Blogger Interviewed on The Score
Cubs vs. Rangers In Las Vegas Tickets On Sale Monday 2/13
Hoyer driving to Spring Training with his dog
Hoyer-Soriano likely a Cub to start 2012, Garza extension talk a possibility
Law's Top 100 prospects
Ranking the Farm Systems
WGN Releases Season Schedule

+ New FanShot All FanShots >

Featured Poll

Poll
How many games will the Cubs win in 2012?

  274 votes | Results

It Is Only...

It Is Only...

Cubs By The Numbers

Cubs By The Numbers is a history of the ballclub by uniform number, but the biographies help trace the history of our beloved team in a new way. For everyone who's a Cubs fan, anyone who ever wore the uniform is like family. Cubs By The Numbers reintroduces readers to some of their long-lost ancestors, even ones they think they already know.

Click here to order your copy, available now!

Recent Stories in Ticket Exchanges


Managing Editor

Alyellontoppscard_small Al Yellon

Front Page Contributors

Primary_fc_small Josh Timmers

Marvin_the_martian_small Shawn Domagal-Goldman

Other Contributors

Dsc_0139_small David Sameshima

Toonmike_small Mike Bojanowski