20 game analysis...beyond the hot start!
It is the 20-game mark, 12% into the season and a chance to take peek as the team is in the land of the 14,000 peaks.
At 14-6 this is the hottest April start since 1975 where they were also 14-6, (they finished 16-8 for April, .666-ball). The team made up of Cub lore memories; Bill Madlock, Manny Trillo, Jose Cardinal, Jerry Morales, Rick Monday and Andre Thorton, with the rotation comprised of The Whale, Rick Rueschel, Bill Bonham, Steve Stone, Ray Burris and Geoff Zahn; continued to compete although falling back to one-game under .500 in May, and by June 2nd fell under .500, finishing a disappointing 75-87.
Not to be outdone the 1969 team also started out 14-6, finishing better than 1975 with a 16-7 record (.696 ball) and continuing that pace finishing May at 32-16. Most of us know that 1969 ended but the team still finished 92-70 and in today's world probably still in the playoffs. Ironically 1970 the Cubs also sprinted out with a 13-5 start (.720 ball). Cubs finished 84-78.
Now the research also indicates that in 1985 the Cubs also sprinted out with a 12-6 start (.666), finished May 27-17 and on August 13th fell below .500 finishing the season 77-84.
As for the division winning seasons of 1984 (12-8), 1989 (12-11), 1998 (14-13), 2003 (15-12), 2004 (13-9), and of course last year 2007 they were 10-14.
So hot starts are not always indicative of winning the division or world series. But then again in 1906 they were 10-6 (.625), 1907 (13-2), 1908 (8-3), 1918 (6-3), 1929 (7-5), 1932 (11-3), 1935 (8-5), 1938 (8-4), 1945 (7-4) are all the years the Cubs were in the World Series and there is one common denominator...can you guess, they were all over .500!
This was all done for proper perspective of the importance of a good start that places the team in a good position and indication that the team right now is going to be competitive. But that is only the start.
Here are some more perspective facts: They played a lot of game in Wrigley going 10-4, (one short road trip 4-2). They are playing well at home which is good. We will see how this 5-game trip will treat them. They have played three contenders, lost two series (1-2 apiece) to Milwaukee & Phil, and beat the Mets 2-0 or (4-4). Thus they have beat up on the Pirates Astros and Reds, 10-2, that is the anomaly where baseball usually says .500 against like teams but usually .600 or .650 against weaker teams, .833 is not normal.
That all said how are the Cubs winning, in short hitting and use of their bullpen. Their OBP is fluctuating between 1st and 2nd with Arizona as is their batting average and runs scored. They are 6-3 in games decided with 2 runs or less, (3-2 in one-run games), 3-1 in extra inning games leaving them 3-2 in 9-inning games. They are 5-3 in blow out games (5 + runs or more).
Their bullpen is still not set with Eyre on the DL, Wuertz and Howry somewhat not performing at their expected levels and yet, Lieber, Hart, Marshall, Marmol and Wood have kept it together well. Starting pitching has also not been up to expectations with Zambrano and Dempster doing well, but Hill and Lilly have been shaky with Marquis being Marquis.
What has generated the offense has been DOME & DLEE leading, Ramirez being RAMI, and then OBP with DeRosa, Johnson, Soto, Cedeno, Theriot and Blanco providing opportunities. With Soriano sidelined this has allowed Piniella to install a traditional front of the order lineup with OBP and speed making the Cubs scoring explode.
Now what does this foretell? The team will eventually have to adjust with Soriano coming back into the lineup and being inserted into the middle someplace. When the adjustment is completed this will be a formidable lineup if Theriot, Cedeno, Johnson and Pie continue their contributions.
But it also tells me that barring a serious injury to the everyday core, the focus on any mid-season acquisition will be in the valuable starting rotation. Cubs will have the means to deal with a flush farm resource of (Murton, Patterson, & Colvin plus the valuable stockpile pitchers of Gallagher, Veal, Mateo, Cotts, Holliman, & Ceda) that could unearth a top of the rotation starting pitcher. Nothing assured but this is how you go from good start to playoff season.
So we will look back at 30-game and see how the hot start has taken itself towards the magical 25% of the season mark at 40 games near Memorial Day.
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Very nice
Always enjoy your fanposts, lots of info to absorb!
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I agree! Your posts are always full of insight
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by ryanbrixenivy on Apr 23, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
One thing's for sure...
...you’re never in danger of failing to meet the word count minimum. Joking! This is good stuff. It’s always a bit sobering to hear that a team that starts out 14-6 can wind up ending the season 12 games below .500, as that ‘75 team did. But that was then and this is now. I couldn’t have asked for a better April, thus far. Let’s hope they finish it strong.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
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You get real baseball in”site” from in”cite”ful and in”sight”ful posts from genuinely knowledgeable and serious students of the game.
There are many perspectives but being a Cub fan since sometime back in ‘62-’63 to now I think this is my favorite time since ‘67-’72. Piniella really has this team playing well, team fundamentals wise. If and that is a IF, if three key on field positions can be ably ‘manned’ by three relatively young players at (C, SS and CF) where the three (Soto, Cedeno, & Pie) backed up by two veterans, (Blanco and Johnson and one other young but smart player) perform, than they truly have a team on the field.
Their question, (and most teams either enter the year or develop one during the year) is the starting pitching. That weakness is Marquis and Lieber is not the ultimate answer, the answer is a top of the rotation pitcher. This is not an easy thing to get. But in the playoffs Dempster could easily be valuable in the bullpen in that he knows that game. Hill & Lilly are truly middle of the rotation starters, but teamed with Zambrano an (Oswalt, Harden or some else who is healthy and has something in the tank would put them in real position.)
The thing I wanted to illustrate was that the Cubs in recent lore have made some fast starts (‘69, ‘70 &’75) all actually a generation ago. the fruitful seasons, ‘84, ‘89, ‘98, ‘03, ‘07 were not spectacular starts, even average or below like last year. Yet in the Cubs their glory periods before WWII they had good starts and above average starts. So the BS of the Cubs folding is only after WWII or actually in the Durocher era except for ‘85 when injuries destroyed the team that year.
But this year the Cubs have been building beyond the starting position players, this is where DeRosa, theriot, Cedeno, Blanco, Johnson and even Ward come into play. This is why Howry, Eyre and the development of Wuertz and Hart have been important. They have depth and balance.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Nice post Ivy...
At the deadline, it’ll be interesting to see if the Cubs can improve the rotation… and possibly improve the defense (off the bench) in the middle infield.
Cubs 2008 (14-6)
Home (10-4) | Road (4-2) | 1-Run Games (3-2) | Extra Innings (3-1)
Updated on April 23, 2008
you picked up the one other possible sore spot....but Cedeno's emergence is quickly diminishing that
Don’t get me wrong, I like Theriot. He is an essential component to any winning team. He offers energy, hustle and probably is a top locker room mate. He is at best adequate at SS, which his ZR and RF ratings stats indicate. Cedeno on the other hand has the ability to be a MLB caliber defensive SS where his ZR and RF are in the same range as league leading Tulowitzke of CO. Both AZ and CO made the finals last year with young SS’s so Ronnie could become that important gog.
Theriot would then fit that bill as a good defensive player for the middle infield. You might add Vizquel (I know he is 40 years old and still recovering from knee surgery but a late season addition might be more valuable than Fontenot. But that would be a minor addition. The big addition would be a second Kahoona--the Big Rascal-the other stopper—-
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
You mentioned Roy Oswalt.
Do you really think Houston would consider trading him? He’s been pitching there so long, and their rotation is so shaky otherwise, It’s hard to imagine them doing so. This is just the first I’ve ever heard his name mentioned in that context.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Especially in the division - not a chance in hell
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 23, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Roy Oswalt
is an ass IMO. Although he is an oldschool players I still dont like him. Now if he wants to come to the Cubs and go 10-1 down the stretch or something I might change my mind.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
old axiom, hate the good competitor in the opposing uniform, love him in ours.
To answer a few questions.Oswalt’s perspective might change with Houston being 15-20 games under .500 by the All Star break. Stros are old and without a farm program. Oswalt would have to waive a no trade. As for in the division crap, Pirates traded in the division, so did the Reds with the Cubs. You do what is in your best interest.
And willie…there is more than a chance, actually 1 in 30.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Pirates? Reds? I rest my case. That's as good as
any argument for not trading in your division. If I can get one of my division foes to take my garbage, all the better.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 23, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
The only way I cheer for him
is if DLee gets to break his nose after what that little a##wipe did on the last day of the season a couple of years ago, I think the 6th inning, by plunking Lee when he knew he was getting taken out with no chance at redemption. Lee has never got him back and I have held it against him ever since. He is a cheap arss and unless he comes with a broken nose via Lee I don’t want to see him at Wrigley!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
Good point!
Eh, just as well—there’s no denying the guy’s talent, but I’ve never liked him. In fact, I think I’d rather have seen Barrett punch him instead of A.J. Well, on the other hand…
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Typical southern "cracker" ballplayer. Everytime I see him being interviewed
I want to push his face in.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 23, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I look at our roster
and we don’t have a single “slick fielding” glove in the middle infield anywhere.
We have Pie in CF… starting or off the bench as a late inning defensive replacement. And, we have Blanco as another defensive switch. But, when you want a glove in the middle infield… what are your options? DeRosa, Theriot, Cedeno, and Fontenot. None of them can be considered defensive assets. And while you are rooting for Cedeno, he’s made so many errors in his young career that I just don’t see it happening.
It’s incredibly painful to watch Fontenot try to turn a double play… and DeRosa is not a “plus” at 2B. I can live with Theriot at SS because he doesn’t make many mistakes in the field… but he HAS to hit, to justify an everyday spot, because he’s not considered a “plus” in the field either.
Cubs 2008 (14-6)
Home (10-4) | Road (4-2) | 1-Run Games (3-2) | Extra Innings (3-1)
Updated on April 23, 2008
all true, and I think one will come in a minor deal
The slick fielder could be had sometime in June through August.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
I knew we should have held onto Augie Ojeda!!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 23, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Most of our defensive stars are in the outfield.
Our best defensive infielder last season was probably A-Ram, and I lack confidence in him repeating his stellar performance from last season.
I’ve hashed over Theriot’s ZR stats before – makes all the plays that he can get to, but can’t get to as many plays as you’d like him to.
If we look at 2006, Cedeno’s only season where he has enough opps at short to do any analysis, we see his percentage of plays made on in-zone balls is actually not too bad at .823. (Theriot’s, for comparison, was .858 last season.) Cedeno had mildly above-average range at short, however; he made 54 “out of zone” plays, compared to 48.6 plays expected from the average shortstop with his opportunities.
If you balance Theriot’s better ability to field balls in zone with Cedeno’s better range, it pretty much becomes a wash – they’re about equal in defensive prowess.
Now, if you want to talk about ceiling – I think it’s a lot more likely for a 25-year-old to get his head out of his ass and field the ball right than it is for a 28-year-old to develop better range.
Agreed.
If Cedeno keeps hitting - and playing smart baseball - it will be very difficult to justify playing Theriot ahead of him.
Nice problem to have, isn’t it?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
The Whale
God, I miss Reuschel. I also miss the Heavy Beer mound conference—Herman Franks changing pitchers, waving in Paul Reuschel while Rick waits for his brother and the catcher is The Baron, George Mitterwald. These are the memories one holds on to when your team stinks.
Where is Mick Kelleher when we need him?
That brings back memeories. I almost
expected all of them to go crashing through the ground as the mound collapses and a huge cloud of dust envelopes the infield. Classic!!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 23, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Very nice post.
As to the team coming to terms with Soriano in a lower spot in the batting order, apparently Lou doesn’t want to. According to recent reports, he intends to have Soriano lead off when he returns to action. I’m afraid this will stop the team’s momentum and reverse the Cubs’s progress.

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