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Chicago Cubs at Colorado Rockies, Apr 24, 2008 2:05 PM CDT



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@ Colorado Rockies

Thursday, Apr 24, 2008, 2:05 PM CDT
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Jason Marquis vs Aaron Cook

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The Cubs' last seven-game winning streak is one you all ought to remember -- it was last year; the seventh game of the streak was the Aramis Ramirez walkoff HR game vs. the Brewers on June 29.

Jason Marquis, who has appeared in the last two games (Tuesday as a PH, last night as a PR), will start. The use of pitchers in these situations was taken to absurd extremes by the Brewers and Cardinals in their extra-inning game on Tuesday, with Ned Yost and Tony LaRussa forced to ridiculousness (three different pitchers pinch-hit and Albert Pujols played second base) because they are carrying up to 14 pitchers. Joe Sheehan addressed this at Baseball Prospectus yesterday: ($)

It is my hope that the two-game Cardinals/Brewers series, featuring rosters of 27 pitchers and 23 hitters, will come to mark the nadir of the trend towards carrying more pitchers that began nearly 30 years ago. I hope that the silliness of Tuesday afternoon—three pitchers being used as pinch-hitters, Albert Pujols playing second base, sacrifice bunting with one out and a runner on first because there were no real hitters available—makes managers and GMs realize that it’s all gone too far, that the desire to make sure you can play matchups on the mound has led to a dearth of options on offense. The first manager to reverse field and concede platoon advantages on defense in exchange for getting them at the plate and restricting usage to five relievers is going to have an edge on the field.

It’s not like Ned Yost is using the eight relievers at his disposal with any dexterity. Despite a bullpen so crowded it could pass for the uptown 1 at 5:15 p.m. and an opponent with no bench, Yost managed to bring Brian Shouse into a situation where he would have to face three straight right-handed batters. Two hits and a sac fly later, the Cardinals were back in the game. If you can’t use your six right-handed relievers to ensure that Shouse and his specialist skill set don’t have to face righties, you’re just not paying attention.

I want to put a thought into the head of Cardinals’ fans. After Cesar Izturis was forced from the game by an Eric Gagne fastball, Albert Pujols took over at second base. Starting the bottom of the ninth, Prince Fielder singled. For the next two batters, the following scenario loomed: Prince Fielder barreling down to second base while Pujols stood over the bag and waited for a throw as the middle man on a double play. That’s what, $100 million, $150 million worth of value hinging on a guy playing out of position.

For my part, I think that even twelve pitchers (which the Cubs have been carrying for the last three years, at least) is too many in most situations. It gives you, essentially, a four-man bench, since one of your bench players is the backup catcher. When you extend that to fourteen pitchers -- as the Brewers have done -- it gives you a TWO-man bench. Maybe it's just me, but there seem to have been a larger-than-usual number of extra-inning games so far this year (the last time the Cubs played five extra-inning games in March/April was 2000, and there are still six games left this month), and it would seem useful to have extra position players around.

And now for something completely different -- look who's leading the National League (in fact, leading the majors) in runs scored!
Today's Starting Pitchers
Jason Marquis
J. Marquis
Cubs
vs. Aaron Cook
A. Cook
Rockies
1-0 W-L 2-1
3.86 ERA 3.12
11 SO 12
7 BB 8
2 HR 2
vs. Col -- vs. Cubs

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Jason Marquis 1-0 3 3 0 0 0 0 16.1 18 8 7 2 7 11 3.86 1.53


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Aaron Cook 2-1 4 4 0 0 0 0 26.0 20 10 9 2 8 12 3.12 1.08

Marquis had a real nice outing on Sunday against the Pirates, and he pitches today in a ballpark where he has never lost (3-0, 1.83 ERA). He's handled most of the current Rockies roster pretty well, except for Brad Hawpe, who is 8-for-15 vs. Marquis. Jason is also 4-for-8 with a double hitting in Coors Field; he's 2-for-6 against Aaron Cook.

Cook, for his part, hasn't faced any of the current Cub roster very much -- Derrek Lee has the most AB vs. Cook, seven. D-Lee is 3-for-7 with a double and four walks against Cook.

Today's overflow thread will post at 3:30 pm CDT; watch for it.

Today's game is on WGN, on cable in Colorado on FSN Rocky Mountain, and at the MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)

Baseball-reference.com game preview

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Hoping Marquis keeps it down and that we keep this train rolling! Go CUBS!

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by PurpleLineToWrigley on Apr 24, 2008 1:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey, we're back!

Lets hope it stays up during the game. Do we as Cubs Nation have any backup plans?

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Apr 24, 2008 1:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Holy mackerel

this page took 10 minutes to load. What’s up with BCB today?

"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk

by NittanyCub on Apr 24, 2008 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

There are still server issues.

Hopefully, we’ll be up during the game. Can’t promise, unfortunately.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Apr 24, 2008 1:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Darn it, Al

I want my money back! ;-)

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Apr 24, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can we use...

...another site? Some old BCB link? It’s really killing me inside to not have a regular helping of sanantonecub’s ridiculously silly pictures every 5 minutes.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Apr 24, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

FYI

santoswoodenlegs has the pictures, not me!

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Apr 24, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was right in the middle of a post...

...when it went down. Very frustrating! Not complaining, though. I know these things happen.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by daver on Apr 24, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why win streaks are important

Each starter had a win until last night, yet we keep winning. That’s good. Three such 5 game win streaks throughout the year combined with .500 ball the rest of the season would provide a 96-66 record. Easily should win the division. While going through a season without losing streaks is difficult, the prolonged win streaks have been a problem for this team in the past. I couldn’t be happier to brag to Red Sox fans, Cardinal fans, etc. than I am right now. This is a start to really a neat season. And, congratulations Cubs on 10,000 wins; the casual MLB fan can’t believe we’re the second team here. Let’s get another one today!

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Apr 24, 2008 1:13 PM CDT reply actions  

MLB Leaders Link

You know things are going great when Z is ranked in the top 5 in the NL for BB/9IP. Go Cubs Go!

by gx4 on Apr 24, 2008 1:13 PM CDT reply actions  

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