Overflow Thread: Cubs vs. Nationals, Friday 4/25, 6:35 CT
by Al Yellon on Apr 25, 2008 8:00 PM CDT
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good game so far
Dempster settled in now
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
Holy Cow!!!!!
“That’s one of the best catches I have ever SEEN!!” – Len.
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
That catch was AMAZING
WTG Johnson!!! Kudos
Baseball is an allegorical play about America, a poetic, complex, and subtle play of courage, fear, good luck, mistakes, patience about fate, and sober self-esteem. -- Saul Steinberg
that catch...
was amazing..
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
463
are you kidding me, Dome obp is unreal. I guess he is the real deal.
Careful Son, They will break your heart. And then stomp on it. But I will be a Cubs fans until I die. Its your fault Harry!!!
Kinda OT:
I hope someone snagged one of those “Let Teddy Win!” signs from the President’s mascot race for our Ted.
Baseball is an allegorical play about America, a poetic, complex, and subtle play of courage, fear, good luck, mistakes, patience about fate, and sober self-esteem. -- Saul Steinberg
anything but 1 is disgracefull
unless someone jumps into the stands entirely and robs a home run and manages to throw a runner out at home on the same play
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Onedec!!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 25, 2008 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Amazing catch
That goes up there with Fuld’s catch. Maybe even better.
They call me MISTER Fukudome!
that could be web gem of the year
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
no kidding
i hope they put the video on gameday
That will make every highlight reel in the country.
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
basically
long ball to deep center field, johnson stretches out and catches the ball beautifully and slides his head into the fence
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
reed on his horse towards the LCF wall, running full speed
...catches the ball in the upper web of his glove smashes into the wall.
Felix Pie must play everyday!
Wow, what a great catch, amazing, best I've ever seen, gosh, that was great, wonderful, terrific
PLEASE SHOW IT! Jeez! I was in the other room and missed it and it’s driving me crazy how they’re talking about how wonderful it is but NOT SHOWING THE REPLAY. Wake up, Comcast Sports Net!
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
It will make highlight reels for decades.
Just fib to your kids and pretend you saw it live, you’ll see it so much you’ll eventually be able to describe it perfectly.
Baseball is an allegorical play about America, a poetic, complex, and subtle play of courage, fear, good luck, mistakes, patience about fate, and sober self-esteem. -- Saul Steinberg
by bluebythebook on Apr 25, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Pat and Ron both..
said you’ll never see a better catch….wow…can’t wait to see it..
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
Put a helmet on Reed while he's out there in center.
Could have broken his skull on that catch.
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
That's what I initially thought
When he was sliding I was like “Oh nooo” and then he got up and I was like “OMGYES!!!”
Baseball is an allegorical play about America, a poetic, complex, and subtle play of courage, fear, good luck, mistakes, patience about fate, and sober self-esteem. -- Saul Steinberg
by bluebythebook on Apr 25, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you
see the bill of his hat? And Kerry Wood in the pen watching it happen right in front of him…priceless.
Yeah!
I noticed that too. And yes, Wood and the rest of the bullpen were priceless!
Baseball is an allegorical play about America, a poetic, complex, and subtle play of courage, fear, good luck, mistakes, patience about fate, and sober self-esteem. -- Saul Steinberg
by bluebythebook on Apr 25, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, my heart was in my throat for second there.
I think he tucked his head a split second before impact. Caught the brunt on his shoulders.
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
Tuck and... brace yourself?
n/t
Baseball is an allegorical play about America, a poetic, complex, and subtle play of courage, fear, good luck, mistakes, patience about fate, and sober self-esteem. -- Saul Steinberg
by bluebythebook on Apr 25, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
had to log on and say...
that catch was:
re.donk’u.lous adj.
1. significantly more absurd than ridiculous to an almost impossible extreme; without possibility of serious consideration.
I haz show: http://hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Apr 25, 2008 8:14 PM CDT reply actions
Won't see that often...
error on D-Lee..
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
Don't believe so.
At least, L&B have not mentioned it, nor have we seen anyone out of their chairs.
Baseball is an allegorical play about America, a poetic, complex, and subtle play of courage, fear, good luck, mistakes, patience about fate, and sober self-esteem. -- Saul Steinberg
by bluebythebook on Apr 25, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
johnson's catch.
for those of you who are following on gameday, they just added the video of johnson’s catch.
also....BBTN is at 11pm CST on ESPN 2 tonight...
...curious as to what coverage that catch will get.
Felix Pie must play everyday!
It was one
heck of a catch. It really really went all out for it.
OK.
Now Lieber?
"There is one thing I will never believe, and that is the Sox are better than the Cubs." - Frank Chance
SWEET!
"There is one thing I will never believe, and that is the Sox are better than the Cubs." - Frank Chance
i'm stuck on delay
through .mlb.tv
you scare me!!! damnit, just now see it. :(
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!
by sanantonecub on Apr 25, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
DOUBLE CRAP!!!
"There is one thing I will never believe, and that is the Sox are better than the Cubs." - Frank Chance
BAse hit to right, scores the runner from third.
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
Guzman scored
"There is one thing I will never believe, and that is the Sox are better than the Cubs." - Frank Chance
Wow.
I’m sure this has been mentioned before, but Estrada is enormous.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
THE JOHNSON CATCH IS ON GAMEDAY
!!! omg!
Ramlee Zamfukusoridero
for those who havent seen Reed's catch
It is now on game day!!!
Maybe we should...
get rid of that Lee guy at first…cost us a run…
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
Was Lee given an error?
Coulda sworn that graphic said 5 hits and no errors.
Baseball is an allegorical play about America, a poetic, complex, and subtle play of courage, fear, good luck, mistakes, patience about fate, and sober self-esteem. -- Saul Steinberg
Len said it was an unearned run.
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
thanks
Baseball is an allegorical play about America, a poetic, complex, and subtle play of courage, fear, good luck, mistakes, patience about fate, and sober self-esteem. -- Saul Steinberg
by bluebythebook on Apr 25, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, he was
Nevermind.
Baseball is an allegorical play about America, a poetic, complex, and subtle play of courage, fear, good luck, mistakes, patience about fate, and sober self-esteem. -- Saul Steinberg
by bluebythebook on Apr 25, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
johnson almost with a hit
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
That catch was lame.
Reed Johnson would have, like, done a cartwheel and caught that with his hat.
Baseball is an allegorical play about America, a poetic, complex, and subtle play of courage, fear, good luck, mistakes, patience about fate, and sober self-esteem. -- Saul Steinberg
ANd on his way to catch the ball
he would have found a cure for cancer.
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
we aren't playing the cardinals..
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
i feel bad for D-Lee, first he gets a really tough error call
then he gets called out on an obvious ball
by dogcatratcheese on Apr 25, 2008 8:38 PM CDT reply actions
That was ball four
Theriot had the right idea. If that was a strike, or anywhere near the plate, Lee would have put the bat on it. He was staying out of the double play. Horrible call behind the plate. Umpire was blinded by the fact the catcher stood up to throw to second.
GOTTA HAVE THAT SPEED AT THE TOP OF THE ORDER!
by Canseco's Roid Party on Apr 25, 2008 8:39 PM CDT reply actions
Scrappy-Do
caught 5 times stealing already…..
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
Demp s t r e c h e s out to grab Lee's toss
2 out.
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
Demp grinding it out like an ACE. Now let’s score some runs!
by Canseco's Roid Party on Apr 25, 2008 8:45 PM CDT reply actions
Oky-Doky
get im over, get im in
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
Base Hit!!
First and second NO OUTS.
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
Dome
singles…first and second no out…
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
The most fundamentally sound......
baseball player in MLB
"There is one thing I will never believe, and that is the Sox are better than the Cubs." - Frank Chance
kosuke's ground rule double
i’m just following on gameday and they just posted the video of it. I didn’t realize a-ram would have scored if it didn’t bounce off the stands. that sucks.
dero.
i love how derosa just stands there and looks at kerry wood. i don’t even think they were saying anything, they were just in awe.
Perfect bunt
Dero can play baseball.
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
About to lose my Dish feed.
Getting hammered by wicked storm. Any play by play would be appreciated.
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
bases loaded for cedeno
hmm….....let’s see if he repeats..
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IBB
bases juiced…one out for Onedec
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
I Feel......
like we should be winning and it’s time to bust this game open!!
WARD
into ph…nats changing pitchers…lefty vs lefty..
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
why take out cedeno?
help me out with the logic here- i know DWard was amazing for us last year, but isn’t cedeno doing incredibly right now?
More to the point...
...why put Ward in whien it’s automatic that they’ll put in the lefty? Ward against lefties last season: .250/.400/.375
"His organ donor card lists his beard."
LOL
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
Curious move.
with Cedeno hitting so well. I guess we’ll see how it plays out.
by DrunkenSuperman on Apr 25, 2008 8:52 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah, that is a strange play I think. I guess we bring in Murton and make them take the LOOGY out, with DeRo moving to second? That sounds good I guess, at first I thought it meant a fontenot PH for demp.
by Canseco's Roid Party on Apr 25, 2008 8:53 PM CDT reply actions
The Big Murt with the bases loaded
here we go
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hmm
i like cedeno cause he has speed to beat out a groundball double play
too bad
we don’t have any switch hitters on the bench.
I hate the double PH. Terrible. But make it work MURT!
by Canseco's Roid Party on Apr 25, 2008 8:54 PM CDT reply actions
I like our odds
"There is one thing I will never believe, and that is the Sox are better than the Cubs." - Frank Chance
Yeah, that would be useful, although you’d have to think for a decent switch hitter to be a bench player, they’d pretty much have to be Ward-level in the field or worse.
by Canseco's Roid Party on Apr 25, 2008 8:56 PM CDT reply actions
Waaaaaaaalk
to tie ze game!
Baseball is an allegorical play about America, a poetic, complex, and subtle play of courage, fear, good luck, mistakes, patience about fate, and sober self-esteem. -- Saul Steinberg
Kind of
anticlimactic, but we’ll take it
"There is one thing I will never believe, and that is the Sox are better than the Cubs." - Frank Chance
haha definately
but I’d take a blanco hr here..
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
thats cubs-nats games for yah
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
NEW PINCH-"HITTER"
IN: 17 Mike Fontenot PH
OUT: 24 Henry Blanco PH
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
no chance for another walk here since Fonty doesnt walk
...not one BB this year
Felix Pie must play everyday!
no batters left? sept pie
meh
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
lou is flying through his bench.
just pie left now i think
Wow
Lou is putting every batter hes’ got out there this inning
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
Len or BB just said that with the Nats bullpen,
this is in the Cubs favor
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
DOUBLE DOUBLE PH
lou, the brewers/cards game was NOT a good example of how to use bench players.
by Canseco's Roid Party on Apr 25, 2008 9:00 PM CDT reply actions
strike out
shit, well we have reed now..
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
i would have gone with the classic "son of a bitch" there
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
At this point it's really not his fault that he's bad at baseball.
It’s Lou’s fault for running him out there so often.
yeah, should have gone with Z there, speaking of a switch hitter on the bench.
by Canseco's Roid Party on Apr 25, 2008 9:01 PM CDT reply actions
still think
pie would have been better in that spot, he’s been making contact with the ball
"If there's any justice in the baseball world, Reed Johnson will get a big hit and make that catch really mean something tonight."
Huh?
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
There is no justice in the baseball world.
Johnson grounds out 6-3.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
damnit damnit damnit
the bench is NOW depleted
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
Ron's
not happy
"There is one thing I will never believe, and that is the Sox are better than the Cubs." - Frank Chance
that was a failure
in hindsight Lou should have kept Cedeno in, that started a domino effect, but atleast we tied it
I think Lou overplayed that one...
...but then again he knows a little more than I do.
Felix Pie must play everyday!
Lou definitely overplayed that. Bad.
by Canseco's Roid Party on Apr 25, 2008 9:04 PM CDT reply actions
at least...
...we have the heart of the order in the 9th, but jeez if we go extras, I’m not liking the fact we have to rely on Marquis and Z to pinch hit (after Felix)
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
Who is this reliever we brought in? New guy from the minors? I have never seen him pitch before! At least not in the past day or so.
by Canseco's Roid Party on Apr 25, 2008 9:05 PM CDT reply actions
I'm Hungry
"There is one thing I will never believe, and that is the Sox are better than the Cubs." - Frank Chance
Can't Understand
why PHers don’t choke up on the bat and just try to meet the ball – after all they’re supposed to make contact first and foremost.
I do not know why you said White Castle, but I probably should go there in a little bit.
by Canseco's Roid Party on Apr 25, 2008 9:07 PM CDT reply actions
damnit and fontenot lets that go by
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
AHHHHHHHHHHHH
and i was just going to make fun of the awful “fontenot as a defensive sub” portion of that mess. and he had to go and prove me right.
by Canseco's Roid Party on Apr 25, 2008 9:08 PM CDT reply actions
He wants to be
an iowegan
"There is one thing I will never believe, and that is the Sox are better than the Cubs." - Frank Chance
Perhaps Sue could provide an answer??
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
Hmmmmm......
Is Fontenot really better than Patterson??
Could someone with more baseball knowledge than me please explain??
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
Good explanation, thanks.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
E-Patt wasn't on the DL at the end of spring training.
I dunno. Fontenot had a good month? Lou doesn’t want to break up the LSU double play combo? Beats me.
Carlos...
....take a deep breath, dude….
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
Now....
.....get this hot dog Milledge out
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
I'm nervous...
like a long haired cat in a room full of rocking chairs….
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
Whew!
Drama. Don’t need it.
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
whew......
ground out to third…inning over…
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
Nice!
Now let’s get about 5 this inning!!!!
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
I'll drive to Iowa for that!!
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
Might calm me down...
Love/hate these nailbiters….
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
Aaron Boone
is a fossil
"There is one thing I will never believe, and that is the Sox are better than the Cubs." - Frank Chance
i actually was surprised to see aaron boone was still a living person
by Canseco's Roid Party on Apr 25, 2008 9:16 PM CDT reply actions
took away error on Fonty...
too f’ng kind…
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
this is starting to become one shitty game
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
Alright Aram
Crank one and we all go out and get toasted.
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
gameday needs a different color ball for Outs and Runs/Hits, I get excited when i click back and see that blue ball, which i guess is the only time i like blue balls.
by Canseco's Roid Party on Apr 25, 2008 9:21 PM CDT reply actions
Can someone tell me why in the sam hell...
...Murton is back on the bench, DeRosa’s still in left, and Fontenot is playing the field? Because I don’t get it.
From your keyboard to Lou's ears.
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
Well
DeRo’s a better LF than Murton (with a much better arm) and a much better 2B than Fontenot. As versatile as he is, the one thing he can’t do is play two positions at the same time.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
However...
I would say second base is a more important defensive position than left field.
This way the pitcher’s spot comes up one place earlier as well.
I wonder who the emergency catcher is now that Blanco is out.
Pie's the only player left...
...so you tell me. DeRosa, probably. Maybe Theriot. Or Johnson. Murton has the most catching experience besides our actual catcher, but apparently Lou thinks Murton is the right-handed Daryle Ward.
Well it's moot now
But I would LMAO at Big Z going out behind the plate.
(Obviously there are good reasons not to have your best pitcher go in as a catcher… I wonder if Wuertz or Howry can catch…)
DeRo was Bobby Cox's emergency catcher,
but that was one torn ACL ago.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
i'm out
getting up early to head toward DC for tomorrow
better be good weather and a good game
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
good luck
"There is one thing I will never believe, and that is the Sox are better than the Cubs." - Frank Chance
well the weather is looking pretty bad
but hey…who knows~
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
Is it my imagination
or are none of the Cubs hitting a lick on the road so far this year? We’ve played great at Wrigley, but not as well on the road.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
speaking of gameday,
they need to stop making outs look like home runs. I keep getting all excited…
bad start...
for Howry…lead off single…
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
Couple innings ago IIRC
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
Bye bye.
“He went oppo”? Where is Len getting all this tonight?
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
He even said "eschewed."
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
The guy who just beat the Cubs on a pitch not even anywhere near the strike zone
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
Howry...
....has just been awful so far this year…..jeez
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
I'll trade you...
a Fontenot for a Nieves.
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
i thought Howry wasn't to be trusted in a close game?
is that rule back on now?
by dogcatratcheese on Apr 25, 2008 9:30 PM CDT reply actions
Marmol...
...didn’t pitch well tonight either
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Apr 25, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Because he doesn't want
Marmol’s arm to fall off by July?
One of those games, folks. Oh, well.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 25, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Cuz Marmol's arm is gonna pull a Wood
if they use him this often. Soto had the glove down and in, and Howry threw it up and over. Bad pitch. Happens everybody. It happens.
by louslovechild on Apr 25, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
awwwww man...
that stung…and Demp deserved better…
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
well
at the very least this should cool some of the WS talk around here.
need to get the next two now.
Howry gives up a HR to a CAREER .180 HITTER!
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Who was hitting .317
Coming into this game.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 25, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I'm sure that this was the season...
...that a 30-year-old backup catcher has put it all together and become good at hitting baseballs.
Were you watching the game?
Didn’t look to me like that ball was anywhere near going out. Maybe a bloop hit.
The sun’s coming up tomorrow, last I heard.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 25, 2008 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
No, actually, I'm at work.
But I don’t see the point of brining up Nieves’ .317 batting average; given his career it seems entirely irrelevant.
It's relevant if he's hitting well now
If Pie homers to win a game, does his weak career batting average matter?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 25, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I trust you understand the difference...
...between a 23-year-old with less than 250 career plate appearances and a 30-year-old backup catcher.
I trust you understand
baseball.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 25, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh, yeah.
I just think that trying to judge a 30-year-old player off of 21-plate-appearances can be misleading. I’m sorry that this offends you.
agreed completely with this statement
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missed your in game posts when the Cubs were on fire...
...crept back in now. Hmmmm
Felix Pie must play everyday!
I love
when your team goes out there and looks like they dont give a shit and then lose to the worst team in the league
way2go
My 08 Cubs record 4-0
Updated April 19th
Are you out of your mind?
Don’t give a shit? The chips didnt fall the way they have 15 other times this year. We will get back at them tomorrow. Maybe the fact that we have been in three cities, in three times zones, in three days may have something to do with the bats going a little cold. Not giving a shit is way off.
by louslovechild on Apr 25, 2008 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
hope your right, I was chosing between going to this game or tomorrow. So far, I am glad I picked tomororow AND its suppose to rain
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
I'm with you there Sue...
2 outa 3 ain’t bad…
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
chill out everyone, we were running WAY hot coming into this game…it couldn’t last.
although the dumb PH/sub usage didn’t help
by Canseco's Roid Party on Apr 25, 2008 9:33 PM CDT reply actions
No, Genius
With stupid games like this, that the Cubs should’ve won but didn’t because of squandered oppotunities.
I care
But if I got this wound up after every loss, I wouldn’t bother watching baseball, because it wouldn’t be any fun.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 25, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of wound up...
Pot, calling Kettle.
"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen
I am certain you will be the first to go nuts when they win tomorrow.
Do you watch baseball?
by louslovechild on Apr 25, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Everyday
I just remember a time when nut jobs, who think a loss in April will cause a tail-spin to occur, were the exception to visitors on this site, not the norm.
by louslovechild on Apr 25, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
most of this is on
LOU! 4 batters in 2 at bats?! why pinch hit for the on-fire ronny cedeno, who has been nothing but clutch lately?!!!!! FONTENOT – i would rather have his doppleganger mickey morandini, and i HATED mickey morandini.
and then howry…STUNNING. i am sorry – the loss is no big deal we are fine but the INEPTITUDE of that 8th inning all that sh1t for ONE RUN terrible terrible moves F THAT SHIZ
Soriano a lo profuuundo-NO-NO-NO-NO! (Spanish for "Soriano hits a home run!)
On Lou?
I didn’t like how quickly he burned through the bench… but it turned out not to matter. He got two left-right matchups in a critical situation, and in the end the short bench wasn’t the difference in the game.
He probably figured getting the matchups he wanted for those two hitters was likely to have a bigger impact on the game than having a short bench would. It’s hard to know the numbers on that, but I wouldn’t be surprised if, doing the math, using four batters there wasn’t a bad move in itself. What I might have done differently: burn Fonty or Pie instead of Ward to get Murton up (Lou used Pie this way in a game when Pie was really struggling, and I think if I were the opposing manager I would have just let Pie face the righty, but he ended up playing along), and then used Ward straight-up against their lefty, who sounded on the radio like he couldn’t throw a strike to save his life.
Good point...
Ward is our stud pinch hitter…..If he’s announced, he hits if it’s up to me. He knows how to take a walk too….
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
by Bump Bailey on Apr 25, 2008 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
hey hey
just lettin a little out – maybe i wasn’t clear enough – we are fine, lou’s been great this year, teams been great. sorry it maybe came off too strong, but i can take a loss and i trust these guys
Soriano a lo profuuundo-NO-NO-NO-NO! (Spanish for "Soriano hits a home run!)
Fukudome
Along with good plate discipline, he needs to impart a sense of shame and disappointment unto his teammates when they lose like this.
that was
one point in my above rant and i got roasted – but the other point was that we GOT this year even if we hit a few tiny bumps
Soriano a lo profuuundo-NO-NO-NO-NO! (Spanish for "Soriano hits a home run!)
Howry
The ballclub has stopped hitting, and when you’re not hitting it puts a lot of pressure on the pitchers.
Putting in Howry with a game on the line is equivalent to taking out all your starters in a basketball game, you have thrown in the towel. The guy is simply a mop up pitcher at best.
And yet, Lou stubbornly continues to put him in games like this. I guess he doesn’t mind losing these kind of games.
nothing is wrong tonight, except for one thing
the hitting was just bad. The one problem is Howry. He always starts off slow but he shouldn’t be put into these situations if he has been struggling..
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
Nieves......
hits a pitch that:
1) eye level
2) more than 6 inches off the plate
Unbelieveable…...
Kearns was hitting .192 going into that at bat….FYI
BELIEVE!
this game
is very random – breaks, flukes, whatever. this team, i think, knows how to win and will get after it big time tomorrow
Soriano a lo profuuundo-NO-NO-NO-NO! (Spanish for "Soriano hits a home run!)
1999
Cubs get off to a 32-23 start going into June…they lose a Friday game to the White Sox…it’s OK, only one game…they get swept…it’s OK, just one series…next thing you know they go 20-50…and I suppose that’s OK?
Then you should follow some other team
or maybe not watch baseball at all. Good heavens, I thought a few victories would thin out the ledge jumpers, but not all of them, it appears.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 25, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Good teams...
don’t lose. They just don’t. A bad team in 1999 once lost a game on a Friday. They ended up being bad.
Maybe another reason could be.....
Our “stud” shortstop’s groin ripped off the bone, Wood, Prior, and a host of others were hurt or sucked. We are fine. We are playing good enough to win every ball game. Nieves of the world happen.
by louslovechild on Apr 25, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Even with tettible hitting Lou made some terrible decisions.
Fontenot and Howry?
Do you wanna lose?
My 08 Cubs record 4-0
Updated April 19th
Fontenot and Howry
Fontenot is ok, but I have never had confidence in Howry, even when he was pitching relatively well a couple of years ago, he gives up way too many home runs, especially in crucial situations.
Howry needs to be used strictly in mop up until:
1) He gets over his “slow start.”
2) They can get someone else to take his place.
Bad ballgame against brutal ballclub
Bob Howry is human batting practice this April. Brutal.
Mike Fontenot is even less useful than Matt Murton. He’s a butcher around 2nd base. Please for the love of God ship him back to Triple A tomorrow.
Carlos Marmol? His arm is going to fall off by June 1st at this rate.
Ryan Dempster? Again, a heckuva performance on a night when his stuff was less than good.
agreed with all statements
Howry is always like this this time of year apparently
Fontenot seems lost at the plate. I guess Patterson should be recalled soon.
Marmol is being overused
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
Is Losing OK?
I’m frankly surprised you people are fine with losing, especially winnable ball games.
we aren't fine with losing
its just that you can’t continue to bitch about it and hope it changes.
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
You win some
you lose some. They lost last night and they lost tonight. Before last night they won 6 in a row. Jesus Christ.
Nobody's okay with losing.
But talking about going 20-50 at this point is absurd. You’re being irrational and quite frankly, you sound like you’ve never watched a full season of baseball in your life. There are ups and downs; it’s 162 games, fer chrissakes.
teams go on skids during seasons
its common for teams to lose TWO in a row..
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
We differ on some things
but I’m with you 100 percent on this. Good post.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 25, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Get the next 2 in the series.......
which is very, very possible looking at the matchups and it would be a 5-2 week, which I’m sure EVERYONE would agree is a success.
BELIEVE!
Most level-headed baseball fans...
realize that a team can’t win them all. We have the second best record in baseball. Guy hit a pitch out of the zone out of the park. Props to him. We missed opportunities. It happens.
Exactly....
not like Howry threw him a meat ball that he jacked out of the park.
BELIEVE!
I agree
As much as the Cubs should beat the Nationals, even bad teams will get one or two on good ones. Hopefully they’ll right the ship and take the next two games.
by NOLA_Cub_Fan on Apr 25, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
We lost the first two of the season
then went on to win 6 of the next 7. Everyone relax. Please.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
Good sign
I hate losing, and anyone on this thread that thinks it’s ok simply because it’s April, don’t know baseball. These wins and losses do count in September! We may look back and curse this loss.
Be that as it may, I am not really bothered by these losses, because our starting pitching is looking real good. The bullpen looks a little shakey, but hopefully that will work itself out as time goes on.
The hitting will be there, this team is too good not to hit. My worry has always been the pitching, and so far it’s been pretty darn good.
Key to the game....
Theriot getting thrown out at 3rd base. That was a kick in the nuts to momentum in my view.
Oh well, go get them tomorrow.
yeah
or that ground rule double, which would have given us the lead
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
those are the breaks......
we got one in Philadelphia on DeRosa’s HR that was foul. Probably don’t win that game w/o that call.
BELIEVE!
Agreed....
Font’s strikeout, D-Lee’s error…..those things happen….Don’t know what the hell Theriot was thinking in that spot…
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
by Bump Bailey on Apr 25, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
no....
Fontenot striking out in the 8th w/ bases loaded & 1 out. If he its a sac fly, fielders choice, etc…anything that scores a run….hell, make contact…....and we go ahead, that leaves Marmol in the 8th, Wood in the 9th, not Howry. Not to say Wood gets it done, but I have much, MUCH more confidence in Wood than Howry.
BELIEVE!
The Fontenot play was probably the most damaging...
...but Fontenot was at the plate; he had to do something, and even the best players will strike out in big spots sometimes.
Theriot didn’t have to steal third; he took an unnecessary risk and it cost the team. I’d say the caught stealing was the worse play of the two.
Fontenot is weak
What this Cub team could really use coming off the bench is a Willie Harris type. Somebody who could help out in the outfield and even a little 2nd base while providing speed to the equation. Maybe Eric Patterson can be that guy???? Seriously, I wouldn’t mind us trying to swing a minor deal to land Willie Harris.
E-Patt is reportedly on the DL.
I absolutely agree that Fontenot doesn’t bring anything to this team – he can’t play a lot of positions, and he’s not any good at hitting, fielding or baserunning. A good bench player has to either be more well-rounded than Fontenot, or be a specialist. He’s neither.
Worse play of the two....yes.
That was a terrible decision. But “key to the game” was the Fontenot K, in my opinion b/c that changes the look of the 9th.
BELIEVE!
Agreed
No reason to do that when the meat of your order is due to bat.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 25, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
This is why there's really no need to try and get your basestealers...
...at the top of the lineup. The value of a stolen base is actually higher at the bottom of the order, when the hitters behind you are less capable of driving you in on their own. But I digress.
"Little f'ng fleas on the basepaths"
signed,
Earl Weaver
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
by Bump Bailey on Apr 25, 2008 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree with that too...
But like said above, that gr double really, really hurt….but all that being said, such is baseball….and the season is a marathon, not a sprint….we’ll win lots of games like this before it’s all said and done….
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
Most disturbing trend of late is...
Even in our recent wins, we are leaving a lot of men on base. Too many. Team has looked pretty solid. Bob needs to get the work in. I think Lou wants to get his confidence back up. I know this did not help, but the pen has been pretty taxed, not a lot of other options. Mike, yah, I don’t really like Mike. Think I would have wanted Cintron out there in his place. too bad that did not work out. As posted above, if we get 2 of 3, I will be more than happy with that.
Good Guys Wear Blue
Hate the Mike...
Forgot about Cintron…wish that would of worked out too…
"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"
Nobody likes to lose but
this is baseball. You’re going to lose 60 games for sure so don’t go crazy. When the games start tomorrow, we’ll be in 1st place. Howry didn’t throw a bad pitch. He had him 0-2 and threw a fastball high and outside. Any good hitter would not have swung at it. Yes, we left alot of guys on base tonight but we were on a pace to score 994 runs this season, before the game. That’s not going to happen. Did anyone else notice the Cubs watching them celebrate their 8-16 record. They didn’t look happy. I think we crush them tomorrow.
when...
you’re 7-15, you have a right to celebrate like that. It was a big win for them. They were hardly trying to rub it in the Cubs faces.
Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. ---Crash Davis
by carmen_fanzone on Apr 26, 2008 6:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Missed his spot.......
Soto was setting up for a ball down and in…...... he missed his spot by about the same distance the ball traveled…..about a mile…
Now I know why
there are so many boo birds at Wrigley. Some of you think they have to win every game. You should learn to enjoy the ride. I have alot of White Sox fans that didn’t even enjoy their WS run because every day the sky was falling. The Cards blew a 2-0 lead in the ninth tonight. The Brewers lost in extra innings. News flash, good teams lose games. Good night.
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