Overflow Thread: Cubs vs. Nationals, Sunday 4/27, 12:35 CT

Hopefully the new thread will bring

some runs!!

by LT on Apr 27, 2008 2:29 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Not a good day for Chicago

Cubs – currently in a bad game

White Sox – might lose to Baltimore

Bears – what the hell is Angelo thinking?

2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?

by Chanman25 on Apr 27, 2008 2:30 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

since I only care about one of those situations

and the game is not over yet I am not ready to say it’s not a good day….

by LT on Apr 27, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

I personally am a big fan of the draft

I don’t think Andre Woodson will be any good in the NFL, and he’s likely the QB we’d have taken. Williams is great, Forte looks good. It’s a thin year for QBs in the draft and its not worth it to take a QB just for the sake of taking a QB.

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by RightFieldSucks on Apr 27, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Thought I'd join the game thread.

Didn’t really like what I saw in the other one. There are ways to criticize what the Cubs have done today without simply bitching.

That said, this team has failed to take advantage of numerous opportunities today. Does that mean they suck? No, it means they failed. Happens even to good teams.

There are two innings left. Let’s win.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 27, 2008 2:34 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Here, here.

There are two innings left. Let’s win.

It ain’t over til it’s over. And I don’t hear Johnny Estrada singing yet.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Apr 27, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Thank you Al

I have been avoiding the site today, only because I knew what was being said. Thanks for being the voice of reason.

by louslovechild on Apr 27, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

agreed

but I just cant get over how awful the Bears draft has been lol!

2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?

by Chanman25 on Apr 27, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

The voice of reason.

by sue369 on Apr 27, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

You mentioned in the pre-game

that the Cubs might try to work some counts against Lannan, and that’s been largely absent. I think Lou might want to try and get everyone to just settle down and get back to what was working. THis team seems really tigh today and roping line drive around the park that seem to end up in gloves isn’t helping their confidence. Let’s get some walks and see what develops. Also, I’d like to see Lannan exit this game.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 27, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Although...

... Lannan has walked three, and the Cubs left RISP in two consecutive innings with less than two out.

There’s the difference in this game.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 27, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Yep.

Too many left on base. That DP really sucked the air out of the team, it seemed like.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 27, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

7 left in 7 innings.

Too many.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 27, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Ick.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 27, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Should have scored 3-4 runs out of all that...

... in the 5th and 6th.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 27, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

At least.

This team seems to not get that with a guy on third and less than two outs, you need to elevate the ball.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 27, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Here's the thing.

Pitchers have at least as much control over their ground ball to fly ball rate as hitters do, if not more. And pitchers know that with a guy on third and less than two outs, you want to get ground balls. It’s not like they’re putting the ball on a tee for those guys.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Apr 27, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

True.

But this team, apart from a couple guys, seem to have very poor pitch selection and it becomes a glaring deficiency in those situations.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 27, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

but who's the arbiter of what's bitching and what's just rationally criticizing

nobody tells people they’re being too positive, it’s just a blurry line

by dogcatratcheese on Apr 27, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Why would you tell someone they're being too positive?

For example, gary varsho’s post above is a good example of rationally criticizing.

Just saying “they suck” isn’t.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 27, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

i'm not saying you should tell people they're being too positive, i'm saying nobody does, so why tell people they're being too negative

the problem with saying “they suck” isn’t that it’s negative, it’s that it’s illogical. my point is that there should be room for all sorts of dissent, it’s ok for sue to say “poop”, why is that not bitching. i’m most likely taking this way too seriously, but i try to look at it like the cubs are America, and we’re the People, i like to think that in america people have the right to dissent, and more to the point, it’s frustrating to me when people spend more time complaining about how someone complained than the people that originally complained.

by dogcatratcheese on Apr 27, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

I don't see "poop" as bitching...

... I see it as reacting to something bad that happens on the field.

It’s the difference between saying “YOU suck” and “THIS SITUATION sucks”.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 27, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Exactly.

And phrased much better than the way my comment was developing!

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by northsider on Apr 27, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

saying "this situation sucks" is still bitching, how is it not?

by dogcatratcheese on Apr 27, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

It's not bitching.

It’s reacting to an event.

You can say, “It sucked that Theriot struck out”, which it does.

Continually saying “Theriot sucks”, what purpose does that serve?

Now do you see the difference?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 27, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

firstly, i still say it's your opinion, your judgment that saying "this situation sucks" isn't bitching, but i agree with you

about your “theriot sucks” point, look in the last thread at the way i reacted to that EXACT comment.

by dogcatratcheese on Apr 27, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

I'll have a look later.

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 27, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Because positivity makes people feel good

and negativity makes them feel bad.

by californiachicagoan on Apr 27, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Missed Chances Suck

Not cashing in RISP has historically been a problem with this club, and seeing it occur again is an ominous sign. I find it hard to accept that this year’s model is different (read: better at runs scored) when the same problems plague the team and there is no evidence to support things will change. And if that makes me Debbie Downer then so be it.

by SecondSon on Apr 27, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Too Much Still Dependent On

“catching breaks”, whereas the good teams make their own luck to an extent by not leaving so many on base. When the Cubs can get ‘em in consistently then I’ll start believing they can win a pennant.

by SecondSon on Apr 27, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Good teams take advantage of breaks.

The Cubs didn’t, for the most part, last year. This year, so far, they have—mostly.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 27, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

You mean...

... the five-game and six-game winning streak aren’t evidence of this having changed?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 27, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

No

April and May are the times when the pretenders look good, run off win streaks against bottom feeders and strong clubs with injuries. I want to see how the Cubs do against the cream of the crop before I start seriously thinking things are better.

by SecondSon on Apr 27, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

That's not unreasonable.

However, there’s nothing wrong with getting off to a good start, either. Wins now count just as much as wins in September.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 27, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Pitching Change!

IN: 45 Sean Marshall LHP

I love me some Sean.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Apr 27, 2008 2:40 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Hope he

does well since his family is there.

by sue369 on Apr 27, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Me too.

That’s a good point, I’d forgotten that.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Apr 27, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

i stayed at the same hotel as the team last year, and saw him there with his family :)

cubs = love

by cubs ftw on Apr 27, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

How did you spot him?

I’m impressed anyone could pick him out in a crowd.

; )

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Apr 27, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

hah he was at the front desk when we were checking in

cubs = love

by cubs ftw on Apr 27, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Sean Marshall on

to give the Nats a taste of their own medicine. Lannan reminds me a lot of Marshall

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 27, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Are they singing sweet caroline?

“so good! so good! so good!” really grates on my nerves.

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by RightFieldSucks on Apr 27, 2008 2:42 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

yes

cubs = love

by cubs ftw on Apr 27, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

I cater weddings

for a living. I hear that song way too much.

by davidalanu on Apr 27, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Walked him.

C’mon now Sean.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Apr 27, 2008 2:44 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

They really need to keep this game at 2-0.

Got a good feeling IF they can do that.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 27, 2008 2:45 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Yeah.

That Nationals bullpen is, well, less than stellar.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 27, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

well played Sean!

Felix Pie must play everyday!

by JB 23 on Apr 27, 2008 2:47 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Maybe the Cub were lookng past this game a bit,

to a couple days off and then the big series versus the Brew Crew. They need to get their heads back in it.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 27, 2008 2:47 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Agreed

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 27, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Could Be

we shall see soon enough!

by SecondSon on Apr 27, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Good boy, Sean.

A little too many 3-2 counts for my liking, but he got the job done.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Apr 27, 2008 2:47 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

We GOT THIS!!

lets go cubbies!!!

by xene on Apr 27, 2008 2:47 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Time for some runs

2-3-4

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by RightFieldSucks on Apr 27, 2008 2:48 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Nice job by Sean.

Runs! Get some runs!

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Apr 27, 2008 2:48 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Lilly looked much better today

He pitched well enough to win, but it’s tough to win when your team is shut out. Hitting tends to be contagious, and a lot of the Cubs are in a funk right now. Tomorrow’s day off is coming at the right time.

Having said that, they have 6 outs left to get two runs—just a bloop and a blast. I’m calling Ramy for the blast.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Apr 27, 2008 2:49 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

True

In the interest of fairness, it is good to see Lilly coming around.

by SecondSon on Apr 27, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

I'm holding you to that Ramy HR RIGHT NOW!!

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 27, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

My bad.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Apr 27, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply reply 0 recs

Glad to see Lannan out of the game.

He’s thrown well this year, and the Cubs were mostly off balance.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Apr 27, 2008 2:50 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs

Tell Y'all What

For the sake of the majority I’ll go back to “lurk” mode.

All things considered BCB is still a better place than NSBB…now THERE’S a fatalist’s haven if ever there was! At least I don’t call for Hendry to get the John the Baptist treatment on a daily basis!

by SecondSon on Apr 27, 2008 2:50 PM CDT reply reply 0 recs