It's About Us
With the first extended stretch of games complete and another off day today, I finally had time to sit down last night and watch "Cubs Forever", the wonderful two-hour retrospective of sixty years of Cubs baseball televised on WGN, which the station first aired last week (it's being re-aired at 7 pm CDT this coming Saturday in case you missed it or want to put it on your DVR). The link above is to the book version of the show, incidentally, and it doesn't specifically say so, but the publisher's website says there's a companion DVD. I'd buy it just for that.
In addition to some great old video -- some of which I hadn't seen since the day it aired years ago -- the thing that struck me most and affected me most were the comments from every single person they interviewed, from fans to employees to Hollywood types to former players, talking about what will happen when the Cubs finally do win the World Series. Basically, if you haven't seen this, they all said, "It'll be the celebration to end all celebrations."
And what that says to me is that they "get it". They understand, all those who have played as Cubs; Andre Dawson, in particular, said he'd want to be in Wrigley Field on that day, because his six years in a Cub uniform, only a third of his major league career (much as we'd love him to go into the Hall of Fame as a Cub, if he is eventually elected, I suspect the Hall -- who now makes the choice, not the player -- will put an Expos cap on his plaque, because he had his best seasons in Montreal), gave him the feeling we all have. That being a Cub fan is special. That being a Cub is special. Eric Karros said it, even playing just one season here: "Every major leaguer should spend a year as a Chicago Cub."
Some of the current players understand this, too, including Derrek Lee, who is now in his fifth year here (can it really be that long already?); D-Lee was interviewed for the show and said (I'm paraphrasing) that the current team is working hard to win for everyone that's gone before and never made it. And I've put this quote from Mark DeRosa in the quote box on the right sidebar, but it bears more prominent repeating here:
I stayed at home the other night and watched that "Cubs Forever" show. Every once in a while teams should be forced to watch stuff like that and realize how much it means to the city and to the ex-players that have been here, and how lucky we are to get a chance to put on the uniform and play in front of these people.
Amen, Mark. You understand. Because when you strip away the stats and the analysis and the little details and arguments that all of us get into on a daily basis because we disagree about ways that we all think would be the best way for the Cubs to be put together, either roster-wise or lineup-wise, the bottom line is this: each of us fell in love with the Cubs, for different reasons and in different places and times, and have suffered loss after loss, year after year of failure. And when they do finally win, all the players on the field that day will be winning for themselves, but also for all those who came before -- and for all of us, because without our support, without our following, where would they be?
May that victory come soon.
There's a somewhat related topic that rumbled through my mind as I was ruminating about writing this post last night and this morning, and that is, that in addition to our support and fandom making the livings of baseball players possible, so does it make the existence of ESPN (and its associated website) and MLB.com possible. Why, then, do these institutions insist on continuing to give us people and websites that we ... well, I'll be nice: that we just... don't... like?
ESPN's top baseball broadcast team is universally detested by just about every baseball fan. This is something that never used to be the case; when people like Bob Costas and Vin Scully and Tony Kubek and Joe Garagiola were the national broadcasters, they were chosen not just for their broadcast competence and baseball knowledge, but because the viewers of the broadcasts actually enjoyed listening to them. That just doesn't seem to be the case today; it's almost as if ESPN is saying, "Screw you, we're doing this anyway."
And setting aside the TV blackout nonsense -- another issue entirely -- why does MLB.com have such a miserable setup for watching and listening to games? And why did they redesign their team websites this spring in a way that makes them bloated and unusable for many users? It's almost as if they have given their sites over to people who have contempt for the people who are trying to use them. And yes, I am well aware that some of you have had trouble with adjusting to the redesign of BCB and other SBN sites -- but give Trei and his team credit, they are listening to you and me and they're making changes (and remember, this platform is still a beta platform and more changes and fixes will be coming).
Without us, ESPN would not exist. MLB.com would not exist. You'd think they'd at least listen to us, their best customers.
I've rambled on long enough. This ought to give you some things to think about and rant about till the Cubs take the field again tomorrow night.
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And another thing.
MLB isn’t keen on Mac users either, primarily evidenced by the way we’re completely left out in the cold on their Windows DRM-driven digital download “service”.
You also forgot to mention the absolute disaster that the previously must-see Baseball Tonight has become.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Apr 28, 2008 9:04 AM CDT 0 recs
I remember
staying awake late at night to watch baseball tonight, but I just don’t bother anymore. I like John Kruk, if only because he stumbles through his pieces sometimes. I always liked Harold Reynolds (sp?), but the guys they have on there now just are not that interesting to watch.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on
Apr 28, 2008 9:20 AM CDT
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Agreed
I can’t believe that is the best they can come up with.
Lets do it Cubbies
by slocs55 on
Apr 28, 2008 11:31 AM CDT
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All the Disappointments Will Be Worth It
Enduring all the awful seasons (2006 and too many others), the mediocre seasons (2005 and too many others), and the close calls (1984, 1989, 2003) will all be worth it to finally have that elusive World Series title. It will so much more to us than all of the Yankees and Cardinals World Series championships combined mean to their fans. It takes a lot of guts quite frankly to stick with a team through only a little thick and a lot of thin, to be ridiculed by Cardinals fans here in Memphis, and still be able to have incredible comebacks emotionally when others can’t figure out where you get the strength. We, as Cubs fans, are cut out of a stronger cloth than any other fans I know.
by memphiscub on Apr 28, 2008 9:04 AM CDT 0 recs
Steve Stone on Felix Pie this morning
Stone said to Mike North this morning that it is clear to him the Cubs have abandoned hope of Felix Pie panning out. He went on to say that he is convinced Pie is sticking on the major league roster despite not playing much because Hendry is hoping to maintain some level of his market value in anticipation of trading him. Stone argues his position on Pie is reinforced by those he continues to talk to within the Cubbie organization.
by MDBNIU on Apr 28, 2008 9:11 AM CDT 0 recs
I've heard the same things about Pie.
As long as Reed Johnson continues to play at the level he is now, Pie won’t get enough playing time to get any sort of consistent rhythm going.
But I agree, I suspect at this point he may be trade bait.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 28, 2008 9:16 AM CDT
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Al,
didn’t you say earlier that there is a split amongst Cubs brass on Pie? Has that been resolved, ie, all are now in favor of trading him (or at least the decision makers are)? Or, could Stone be talking just with some of the advisors and not be giving the whole situation?
by TC Cubby on
Apr 28, 2008 9:19 AM CDT
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There was a split, yes.
It seems now that they’re leaning toward trading him. No, I have no specific information, just a sense from what I’ve heard and how I’m seeing him used.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 28, 2008 9:26 AM CDT
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What, if anything, does this mean for
TTSNBN?
by Shanghai Badger on
Apr 28, 2008 10:04 AM CDT
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Nothing at this time, most likely.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 28, 2008 10:07 AM CDT
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Any ideas on a potential target, then?
Another middle IF that could lead off?
by Shanghai Badger on
Apr 28, 2008 10:12 AM CDT
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No.
Why are you so determined to make a trade? Have you noticed the team is winning with who they have now?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 28, 2008 10:16 AM CDT
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I'm not
In fact, this is the first time that I’ve mentioned it . . . are you thinking of someone else?
Just wondering, since it’s being said they’re looking to trade Pie.
by Shanghai Badger on
Apr 28, 2008 10:19 AM CDT
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"Looking to trade"...
... might mean two months from now.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 28, 2008 10:20 AM CDT
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Alrighty
But then, aren’t they essentially playing with a 24-man roster? With 12 pitchers, that really limits options if there is little to no confidence in him. Plus, aren’t other teams going to figure it out when he’s not used much?
by Shanghai Badger on
Apr 28, 2008 10:22 AM CDT
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Maybe.
This is why Lou has to play Pie against certain RHP, not use him strictly as a PR/defensive replacement.
To be fair, the Cubs did face three LHP in DC this past weekend.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 28, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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I don't think there's anything sustainable about Johnson's current production.
Right now he’s hitting .324/.410/.366. He’s got a .046 isolated slugging, which is… well, that’s punch and judy minus some punch or minus some judy, I can’t tell which. When his batting average starts to drop (which, let’s face it, is what happens to a player with a .359 BABIP), if he can’t start hitting for a little more pop he’ll be an unmittigated disaster in the power hitting department.
What about his OBP, you ask? Well, it’s heavily driven by his inflated batting average. Meanwhile, his walk rate is only .072, well below the league average of about .086. If you think that doesn’t add up, well, we haven’t gotten around to his Hit By Pitch yet. He has five on the season so far, which makes up a not insubstantial part of his OBP right now. He’s on pace for 39 hit by pitches on the season, almost double his career high.
If Reed Johnson were hitting in the vicinity of .280 instead of .320 (and .280 is a lot more in line with Johnson’s past performance), here’s what his hitting line would look something like:
.282/.373/.328, for a .701 OPS or about a n 86 OPS+. And that still doesn’t cover the fact that almost half of his walks so far this season have been HBPs.
by cwyers on
Apr 28, 2008 11:31 AM CDT
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Seems early to give up on him
At the very least, send him down with some things to work on. I know he has nothing to “prove” at AAA from a numbers standpoint, but he’s a hard-working player with a correctable problem (long swing). If he’s not ready now, why not send him down with one mission—shorten that swing?
by TC Cubby on
Apr 28, 2008 9:18 AM CDT
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A correctable problem
The Cubs have tirelessly worked with Felix Pie on his swing. And it’s not as though fixing a swing is as simple as adjusting the satellite dish on your roof. It’s not. All I know is that I hold Steve Stone in great respect, and Stone said it is clear to him that the Cubs have abandoned hope on Felix Pie.
by MDBNIU on
Apr 28, 2008 9:21 AM CDT
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I haven't heard anything about until he came up this year.
Have they been working with him prior to this? For how long? You’re right that it can’t be fixed in a month. But if he is a hard worker, wouldn’t it be worth it to give him a year to fix it in AAA? Isn’t he just 23?
by TC Cubby on
Apr 28, 2008 9:35 AM CDT
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Well
As one example, Gerald Perry traveled to the Dominican over the winter to work with Felix Pie in the winter league down there.
by MDBNIU on
Apr 28, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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Stone is smart...
...but he is also a very bitter man, and this has tainted his judgement quite a bit in the last couple of years.
In regards to Pie, it appears to me, that Piniella is trying to win every game he possibly can, and Johnson gives him the best chance of doing that (right now). If Pie was on a team not expected to win something, I am sure he would be getting more playing time, but it’s not easy to groom a young guy in this type of atmosphere and still give yourself the best chance of winning each and every game.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Apr 28, 2008 11:11 AM CDT
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I don't know
if Stone is bitter or not but I do know that when the Cubs threw Patterson out there they were accused of rushing him and when they take their time with Pie they are accused of not giving him a chance. There seems to be no middle ground.
My prediction is that if Pie improves his swing then he will be starting by the middle of the season, if not then he may well be somewhere else by the end of the season. Lou hasn’t always been the most patient of managers but he knows talent and he knows hitting. He won’t throw talent away if he can avoid it.
Wait, did someone say Jason Varitek and Derek Lowe?
by bubbamike the one and only on
Apr 28, 2008 11:29 AM CDT
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At this stage of Piniella's career...
...and considering the Cubs are trying to win now, I don’t think Piniella is focused so much on evaluationg a young players talent level, as he is looking for where he can get reliable production this year.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
Apr 28, 2008 12:19 PM CDT
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I agree
I find it hard to believe that they are putting all of this hard work into him, if they are just going to trade him unless they just want to keep his trade value high. Like I’ve said before, I have seen with my own eyes Felix out in batting practice when I get to work which is hours before game time, and he is out there being filmed and putting in his hacks and working on his swing. So it will be interesting to see what happens
"We Are Not Fair Weather But Foul Weather Fans, Brothers In Arms In Streets and The Stands." -Eddie Vedder, Someday We'll Go All The Way
by ryanbrixenivy on
Apr 28, 2008 10:08 AM CDT
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I also watched the Cubs Forever Special last night
It was great to see all those old clips and hear what everyone thought about the Cubs and their fans. One thing I was having a hard time thinking about was about how great WGN was. They were talking about how the 150 games or so they did every year on national cable turned the Cubs into a sort of America’s team along with the Braves. Now they are on WGN much much less, and I am afraid they won’t be on WGN at all in the future depending on how the sale works out. I will probably always have the EI package, but it is sad to think that you don’t have the same basic cable access that you once had…
by LT on Apr 28, 2008 9:32 AM CDT 0 recs
The Superstation
I used to come home from school to watch the Cubbies in Ky. I was in the central time zone as well so the 105 starts i would get home to Lee Smith trying to strike out the side in the eighth and ninth innings and seeing the Cubs fans on their feet cheering him all the way. The superstation definitely fueled me being a Cubs fan and even though I pay those arrogant greed mongers at MLB.com for my mlb.tv each year so that I can watch every game I can I will always be thankful to WGN for fostering my love of the Cubs.
"You would never guess that a little innocent walk like that could lead to two runs" -- Dusty Baker
by KyCubsFan on
Apr 28, 2008 10:55 PM CDT
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I'm Also Afraid About Cubs Not Being On WGN
The Braves are no longer on TBS, except for an isolated Sunday afternoon national game. I’m worried that if the Cubs keep 70 games a season on WGN in the future that those games will only be available on the local WGN feed and not the superstation feed. I hope we don’t meet the same fate as Cubs fans IN the south as Braves fans OUTSIDE of the south have met.
by memphiscub on Apr 28, 2008 9:47 AM CDT 0 recs
What is amazing is how short-sighted the team can be about this
Do they make more money on cable per game? No doubt, yes. But WGN is what made the Cubs a national team—how much revenue does that generate over time?
by Shanghai Badger on
Apr 28, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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Keep in mind...
... that when the Cubs were ‘made” a national team by being on WGN, there weren’t as many options to see games nationally as there are now.
If the Cubs do wind up a cable-exclusive team (as the D’backs and others are now), you can still get them nationally via EI or MLB.TV.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 28, 2008 10:08 AM CDT
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Good point
But they would be more easily available - and still a midwestern regional team. Most cable systems have WGN as part of a basic package - EI isn’t part of that.
by Shanghai Badger on
Apr 28, 2008 10:10 AM CDT
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True enough.
It is, however, available. Granted, you have to pay extra for it. But you can get it if you really want it.
My position has always been: If you want to watch a baseball game and are willing to pay for it, you should be able to, no matter what your location. I suspect MLB will eventually adopt this position, though they’ll have to be dragged kicking and screaming to it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 28, 2008 10:12 AM CDT
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Agreed -- you can get it if you want to
But with WGN right there, channel surfers found the Cubs without trying. There are a lot of Cubs fans here in the Dairyland that started watching because they stumbled across the games for “free”
by Shanghai Badger on
Apr 28, 2008 10:13 AM CDT
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Oh, absolutely true.
The entire TV sports broadcast landscape is different now. Is it better? I’d argue no.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 28, 2008 10:16 AM CDT
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Which is why I'd rather see them stay on WGN
I really think it adds revenue long-term—just hard to quantify
by Shanghai Badger on
Apr 28, 2008 10:21 AM CDT
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Revenue to who, though?
If Tribco could make more money on Cubs telecasts on WGN than on the other programs they’re running, they’d still be doing it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 28, 2008 10:22 AM CDT
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To the Cubs, but . . .
It is difficult, if not impossible, to quantify in hard data. I am certain that people with no connection to Chicago other than the Cubs buy merchandise, go to games, etc. because of finding the Cubs.
But, that won’t be convincing enough for the owners . . . the only chance is that the new owner has a lot (a lot) of sentimentality.
by Shanghai Badger on
Apr 28, 2008 10:25 AM CDT
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Not very likely.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 28, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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WGN
How profitable is WGN for tribco? If it is not profitable any chance the new owner can realize the value of WGN to the Cubs and buying it? Or when the new owners arrive do they look into making a network like YES or NESN.
"You would never guess that a little innocent walk like that could lead to two runs" -- Dusty Baker
by KyCubsFan on
Apr 28, 2008 11:04 PM CDT
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The Cubs would get more exposure on basic cable, no doubt.
But teams are moving away from that for monetary reasons.
I guess if the Cubs keep winning every year we will see more games on Fox, TBS and ESPN. It is already happening this year. That would get more games to the out-of-state Cubs fans who cannot get EI or MLB.TV.
by Fraggin Judge on
Apr 28, 2008 11:49 PM CDT
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Worth remembering here
Putting on a baseball game takes a truck, a good number of crew people, announcers, backhaul/uplink time, travel – for the announcers at least, to away games – and more. All those things cost money.
Putting on syndicated reruns does sell the ad avails, at a much lower upfront cost. And the ad rates for WGN ‘casts are not “national” ad rates most of the time.
The revenue stream from WGN Cub telecasts, balanced against the production costs, probably makes the revenue stream from syndication strips attractive.
by MN exile on
Apr 28, 2008 10:51 PM CDT
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Precisely.
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"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 29, 2008 3:54 AM CDT
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New Fans
You don’t find new fans on IE or mIb.tv, I would expound but what else can you say.
"You would never guess that a little innocent walk like that could lead to two runs" -- Dusty Baker
by KyCubsFan on
Apr 28, 2008 10:57 PM CDT
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That's true.
MLB management has never failed to shoot itself in the foot whenever it had the chance, though.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 29, 2008 3:55 AM CDT
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I have to totally disagree.
And isn’t the larger complaint that we CAN’T get some Cubs games even if we really want them? If I buy EI there is absolutely NO guarantee that I’ll get to watch those games here in central Oklahoma.
What they need to do is offer EI on a team-by-team basis and remove the blackouts. I’d pay $100, hell, I might pay $200 per year for JUST Cubs games, IF it was guaranteed that I’d actually get to watch them.
by soonerbered on
Apr 28, 2008 3:37 PM CDT
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What they need to do...
... is just remove all the blackouts, period. There’s no need for ANY of them.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 28, 2008 3:41 PM CDT
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But you know...
that won’t happen. I’m just saying that I don’t buy EI now because I get blacked out a lot. But would get EI, pay more for it, and get less from it, if I wasn’t blacked out. We have to dangle money in front of these grubbers to make a difference.
by soonerbered on
Apr 28, 2008 3:45 PM CDT
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Everything has its price.
I’m guessing they’ll lift the blackouts and raise the price. Oddly, that might increase the subscriber base even at a higher price.
What a concept: more people get to see games AND they make more money.
Makes too much sense.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 28, 2008 3:50 PM CDT
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Ok...
I guess I expressed myself poorly. That is exactly what I’m trying to point out.
by soonerbered on
Apr 28, 2008 3:54 PM CDT
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Write to MLB.
Let them know they lost a potential client due to their silly blackouts. Maybe if enough people let them know that they will wake up.
by Fraggin Judge on
Apr 28, 2008 11:50 PM CDT
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It will be a sad day when WGN Superstation no longer carries Cubs games
but I agree with Al that seems to be the direction it is going. I consider myself lucky growing up in Chicago during the WGN-only days and so bonded easily with the team. Now that I live on the west coast I do appreciate the ‘free’ games on WGN when they are broadcast, and would gladly pay extra for the other ones if I didn’t have to pay for the every single other one in the country, as is the case for EI & MLB on the internet.
If Cubs games on WGN superstation do eventually disappear l hope the ‘Cubs games’ only option through some broadcast medium, is provided to us without local Chicago cable access.
by JFCubFan on
Apr 28, 2008 11:39 AM CDT
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Cubs Need to Be Careful About WGN Coverage
I know that cable stations evolve. WGN has done a good job in increasing the amount of original Tribune Entertainment programming and Canadian import programming, while, at the same time, still keeping enough Cubs games on to be identified with the Cubs. If the Cubs are consistently competitive, the club won’t need games on WGN superstation to be popular. WARNING! If the Cubs should have a sustained period of being really bad like they had in the early 1980’s coupled with no games on the superstation, you are going to see a real dropoff in the number of Cubs fans outside Chicagoland. Here’s to the Cubs being consistently competitive and having about 70 games on WGN superstation per year!
by memphiscub on
Apr 28, 2008 12:20 PM CDT
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The other thing about WGN
is that the Cubs are the only thing I watch on WGN anymore. Their other programming is not very good. Maybe my watching tastes have changed since the 80’s but I never stop on WGN anymore unless the Cubs are on. (Or specials about the Cubs)
by LT on
Apr 28, 2008 12:33 PM CDT
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One more thing about 'GN
When the Tribune conglomorate is broken up, meaning ‘GN from the Tribune, just like the Cubs band other entities being sold (and I think there’s a decent chance of that happening), we’ll then get the true value of what ‘GN can bring to the table.
It’s always been talked about in the financial circles how much $$$ ‘GN brings to the table since they are owned by the Trib and ‘hidden’ in the corporate earnings aside from the Cubs, which have to be reported to MLB. I don’t remember seeing how much profit Tribune Corporation had from ‘GN broadcasts of Cubs games.
If ‘GN can bring in the revenue nation-wide and out bid [Comcast] for the TV rights then we’ll see the number of games on ‘GN go up.
I also don’t really know how the sale of the Cubs’ interest in Comcast Sports Net will figure into all of this. It may end up going to the new team owner like originally discussed, just like the ballpark but who knows, it’s too early to tell.
Point is, how Tribune assets are sold off will affect the impact ‘GN will have on broadcasting the majority of games again. Boy I sure would like to see it go back to 20 years ago when nearly all the games were on ‘GN. Their camera coverage was and still is better than any other option. Throw in the announcers (think we’re lucky with the guys we have now) and it’s a no-brainer.
by blackhawk24 on
Apr 28, 2008 2:35 PM CDT
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Kind of agree
I like the announcers.
I think the camera coverage has deteriorated in the last 15 years or so. The shot behind home plate during a pitch is worthless . . . impossible to gauge where the pitch is in relation to the zone, can’t tell right away where a batted ball is going.
When a routine catch is about to be made, they zoom in so tight on the fielder, you don’t see the ball—and sometimes even pros boot the routine ones. On throws to first, they zoom in close on the ball, instead of showing a wider shot that gives the viewer an indication if the throw is bad.
And, for whatever reason, they insist on showing each and every runner touching home plate, even if there is a play at another base.
by Shanghai Badger on
Apr 28, 2008 3:11 PM CDT
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Most of it is crap, isn't it?
But I do watch the 9 pm news occasionally, which is on at 7 here in SoCal, just to get the local Chicago news & Cubs/Bears/Blackhawks/Bulls highlights during the sports segment.
by JFCubFan on
Apr 28, 2008 3:17 PM CDT
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Book and DVD
I would really like to have seen that documentary but I do not get WGN. I am willing to buy the book for the companion DVD if it is the same (or better) than what they had on TV, but the publisher’s site doesn’t say much about it. I will email Triumph Books and inquire about this.
"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome
by JohnM on Apr 28, 2008 9:48 AM CDT 0 recs
Let us know what you find out.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 28, 2008 10:08 AM CDT
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Will do.
"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome
by JohnM on
Apr 28, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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I don't have any details, but...
...I did talk to someone who bought the book and thought the companion DVD was outstanding. Again, I can’t recall anything specific, but it did sound like there were quite a few bells and whistles on the DVD that didn’t make the TV special. Even if it’s just more of the same, I’ll gladly keep my butt glued to the couch awhile longer to see longer interviews and story segments.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on
Apr 28, 2008 3:05 PM CDT
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The Amazon.com description
makes it sound like it’s only “interviews”, but a reader review on the same page hints that it’s more than that. Hmmmm.
"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome
by JohnM on
Apr 28, 2008 3:11 PM CDT
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The fact that there is a DVD available is good news...
considering the following was posted April 21st, on the Len & Bob Blog on WGN.com:
“Two important answers to a blizzard of questions we’ve received about “Cubs Forever”
- The show will air again on WGN-TV Saturday night, May 3 at 7pm.
- There are no plans to sell a DVD of the show due to highlight restrictions from Major League Baseball.”
by MillsChC on
Apr 28, 2008 4:47 PM CDT
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"There are no plans to sell a DVD of the show due to highlight restrictions from Major League Baseball."
AAARRRRRRGH!!! More stupidity from MLB. Why wouldn’t they want to partner with WGN and make money on this!
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There. That’s almost enough to cover MLB management.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
Apr 28, 2008 5:03 PM CDT
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Just got a reply from Ed Sherman
who wrote about the show and book in the Trib today. He said the DVD included with the book “does not [include the documentary]. They couldn’t include it because of MLB copyright laws.”
[So MLB makes the laws now? ]
So I guess the DVD includes interviews, and maybe some non-game footage of Wrigley Field and players, coaches, etc. I bet it’s the actual games (and brief, nostalgic clips of them) that the lawyers are so incredibly protective about.
"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome
by JohnM on
Apr 28, 2008 5:16 PM CDT
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Two more replies
The one from Triumph Books said “It’s a shortened version with much of the same content”, but then, they are trying to sell the book.
WGN Sports’ reply said “I’m afraid not. Licensing restrictions prevent us from doing so.”
"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome
by JohnM on
Apr 29, 2008 1:20 PM CDT
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More like greedy idiots.
The MLB media guys probably want to keep highlights to their own DVD’s . That way they keep all the profits.


