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SI.com's Ballpark Rankings

Here is the complete list .  The Cubs clock in at #15 .  Others of note: Brewers at #2 , Pirates at #3 , Cardinals at #5, White Sox at #8, Reds at #13 and the Astros at #16.  The Cubs highest ranking was for Neighborhood at #2.  (San Diego came in 1st, WTF?)  The Cubs lowest ranking was for Affordability at #27.  I just thought I'd post this for the sake of discussion.  Agree or disagree, please discuss in the comments.

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im not too concerned about those rankings

though after looking closer I found it funny that both Cubs and Sox fans noted the increased violence in the park when those teams play.

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by mjk83 on Apr 30, 2008 2:28 PM CDT reply actions  

This is a bigger joke than...

Chris DeLuca’s article. Miller Park has a better atmosphere than Wrigley? White Sox fans have a higher “fan IQ” than us? Pirates are 4th in hospitality…. I guess the 4,000 people that actually go to the games are pretty friendly.

''As long as he doesn't talk World Series, I'm happy.'' Lou Piniella on Ronny Cedeno.

by CubsBullsBears on Apr 30, 2008 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Uhh... fan IQ is largely a consequence of the beer...

From the Sox games I’ve been to (shudders), I witnessed far fewer certifiable drunks. This is, of course, anectdotal, but Wrigley seems to me a drinker’s palace. Not exactly fan friendly in the bleachers… then again, hopefully someone can prove me wrong.

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by IowaCubs- on Apr 30, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

How

did White Sox fans end up with a higher Fan IQ than us? That is absurd

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on Apr 30, 2008 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

I hate to say it

but I can believe it. Having been to a few on the South side, I’ve come across many a fans there – real ones, not the ones we always hear about crying things don’t go their way – that really know their shit.

That doesn’t mean everyone at Wrigley is a pin head. But if I had to place a bet on higher baseball IQ of 500 randomly chosen fans that enter the ballpark on a day when the places would be packed, I’d have to give a slight edge to the place South of Madison St.

What brings Wrigley’s ‘rating’ down IMHO is the innane [baseball] stupidity I continue to hear in the bleachers and it gets just a little worse every season.

I would never doubt the enthusiasm at Clark and Addison, it’s 2nd to none with only 4 Yawkey Way possibly beating it out, but baseball IQ, that’s a different story

by blackhawk24 on Apr 30, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Generally speaking, the best “baseball crowd” I have encountered has been at two ballparks….US Cellular and Busch Stadium. I’m not a Sox fan, but I give their fan base a lot of credit for knowing the game of baseball and supporting their team. Ditto Cardinal fans.

This has been discussed before. Unfortunately at Wrigley the traditional fan and diehards are now overwhelmed by the corporate types, shopping mall attendees and frat boys (and girls).

by MDBNIU on Apr 30, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I suppose that makes sense

the only times I have experienced a White Sox crowd is when the Cubs are playing at the Cell. During those games all i ever heard was swear word after swear word and people (in Sox garb) rooting against the Cubs as opposed to for the Sox.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on Apr 30, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why would you expect anything else...

After all, it is a heated inter-city rivalry. And I kinda sorta can understand Sox fans having their fill of all-things-Cub in this city, especially seeing as they are the ones with a World Series Championship. I’ve seen the frat boy crowd at Wrigley dish out an awful lot of hoey toward Sox fans too.

by MDBNIU on Apr 30, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of...

the rivalry. I was at the Barrett/Pierzynski brawl game. Think Iguchi had a granny and 6 RBI. The stands at that game could have resembled a European soccer match. Luckily it didn’t. There was one isolated fight in the stands near the 3B side IIRC and that’s all I could see and heard about.

The ironic part was the rather educated discussion from both sides of fans after what happened on the field. I was not only impressed by proud of our city’s fans that we wouldn’t resort to jungle law.

by blackhawk24 on Apr 30, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe I don't encounter enough sox fans (thank God)

But when I talk to most of them, I know more about their team than they do. Most of them don’t even know that the Cubs were the original white sox (White Stockings)

"We Are Not Fair Weather But Foul Weather Fans, Brothers In Arms In Streets and The Stands." -Eddie Vedder, Someday We'll Go All The Way

by ryanbrixenivy on Apr 30, 2008 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed as well

It seems like there’s an IQ maximum for whomever is sitting behind me at the game, and it’s pretty low.

I almost punched out someone at a Cubs-Sox game a few years ago, not because he was a Sox fan, but because he was trying to impress some girls with stats and historical data and getting it completely wrong. Of course, I didn’t because I’m not a violent person (the fact that he probably would have kicked my ass had nothing to do with it :)

"Don't think; it can only hurt the ball club."

by Jesse Guam on Apr 30, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interestingly enough...

... I have had good experiences with Sox fans at the Cell, and have written about it here several times. There are idiots there, but there are idiots at ANY sporting event.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Apr 30, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually

That was meant to be an example of the stupidity of the people who sit in the seats behinds ours, rather than a criticism of Sox fans.

The last game I was at, the folks sitting behind us spent three innings arguing about who the best softball players were.

Last year, at the last game I was at, this girl blathered on the entire game about very little remotely related to baseball. Plus, she had one of those whiny, loud voices that you can’t block out.

So yeah, there are plenty of stupid fans at Wrigley.

"Don't think; it can only hurt the ball club."

by Jesse Guam on Apr 30, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just looked it over

and I can understand based off of those rankings why wrigley is ranked where it is. It is expensive, the food is basic, the traffic (if you count parking) is terrible and the Cubs team quality, well, we are the cubs. But TRADITION should be 2, neighborhood is about right, with a bias, i say 1. But if you polled all baseball fans they would probably overall pick wrigley and fenway for the spirit of baseball. If you polled all baseball players (hopefully they dont hold the clubhouse against us) they would vote Wrigley at 1 or 2. Just a guess of course, but I do truly believe that

"God will squeeze really hard, but he will never choke you" - Carlos Zambrano

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Apr 30, 2008 2:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Who cares

Anybody can come up with list of criteria and rate ballparks. Under the criteria used by SI it is no surprise that the Cubs rank where they do.

by MDBNIU on Apr 30, 2008 2:48 PM CDT reply actions  

No kidding

Don’t you just hate when people pull opinions out of their asses and state them with self-imposed authority like this?

I bet that kind of thing drives you crazy too.

by Wreckard on Apr 30, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL!!!!

excellent

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on Apr 30, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really dislike these so-called “fan” surveys, there is no realistic method to ensure that the sample of fans represents the whole population. Basically, this is a deal where a few hundred thousand fans vote via an online poll for thier ballpark. Probably during working hours…you know where 40k plus Cubs fans were when the Brewers and Indians fans were blowing off work to vote online… They can take thier poll, hands down anyone that loves baseball for everything that it is (And no; concessions, restrooms, and parking have nothing to do with watching a game) would pick Wrigley in the top three.

by StevenABQ on Apr 30, 2008 2:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Wrigley's position aside...

I was surprised to see Jacobs Field (or whatever its called these days) ranked at the top as I really disliked it compared to other newer parks. Pittsburgh deserves to rank very highly though and it would probably top the SI list if the Pirates weren’t terrible. I would guess that most of would put “Atmosphere” at or near the top of our list, as would most fans generally, which means that weighing it equally with secondary concerns such “Food” and “Traffic” really skews the results.

But what does “Atmosphere” mean? Raucous fans? Good sight lines? A combination of such things? For example, attending a Brewers game at Miller Park is great fun and I enjoy the Milwaukee fans but I don’t like the park at all…it feels like a hangar in which you’d store a spaceship. So how would those two opinions, which I don’t think of as competing with each other, enter in to it? It guess it’s pointless for me to wonder…

by LaddieRenfroe on Apr 30, 2008 3:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Miller Park

Miller park is nice, but as you say, it’s kind of bland on the inside. PNC Park (Pittsburgh) and Camden Yards (Baltimore) were much nicer, and more distinctive. Miller Park felt a bit cookie cutter-ish (one of my complaints with Comiskey).

"Don't think; it can only hurt the ball club."

by Jesse Guam on Apr 30, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do like the fact that...

... Miller has the panels in the outfield that they open on nice days. It makes it feel less dome-like.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Apr 30, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here, use this...

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/ballparks/wrigley.html

It doesn’t look at Wrigley through Cubbie Blue sunglasses but gives an honest perspective. The only problem is its starting to get dated (almost 4 years now IIRC) but you’ll get the point.

by blackhawk24 on Apr 30, 2008 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Great American

I will argue with anyone who trys to tell me that Great American is better than Wrigley, first off you have to drive around the park at least 10 times to find a parking area and when you find one it is reserved, then you have to walk 2 miles from the parking areas to get there. Contrary to popular Cincinnati belief, Skyline chili dogs are nasty, and last, how can you rank a ballpark that has been in existence for all of 5 years with no actual winnings seasons as having excellent history and tradition. What stupid rankings

Wendyzman

by wendyvhz on Apr 30, 2008 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

on a side note

I would really like to know what the hell Cubs fans have done to piss people off so much, I don’t yell at fans when I go to their ballpark, I am not a Yuppie, and I have a pretty good baseball IQ. Some of those people on the comments section were nasty to Cubs fans.

Wendyzman

by wendyvhz on Apr 30, 2008 3:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Cards Fans #1 in Fan IQ?

I don’t have too many fan bases to compare them to, but being a Cardinals season ticket holder (I live in STL and wife is a Cards fan) for the past two years I have been unimpressed with the supposed “Best Fans in Baseball”. I would say their fans are no more knowledgeable than most other teams. I have repeatedly heard people yelling “tag up” or “turn two” when there are 2 outs. My all time favorite is the guying who was heckling Andruw Jones about not having any gold gloves. Even my wife doesn’t believe Cardinals fans live up to their reputation.

by smmcctrk on Apr 30, 2008 3:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Overall, again hate to say it

they’re at 4 Yawkey Way. Utterly amazing. I walked out of there once with a migrain. The amount of information, strategy talk, stats (not the fantasy geeks, real stuff coaches use) and reasoning was intense.

Glad it wasn’t a Cubs game there, the BoSox rolled over and completely demolished the Twinkies. The only thing I would have liked to see (and its not the BoSox specifically) is no DH. But that’s an argument for another day.

by blackhawk24 on Apr 30, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fans

Most of the stereotypes regarding fans are 2 to 3 decades old (or more in many cases). For the Cubs, and many people who visit the park, and fit in with some of the negative stereotypes, they are there mostly for the experience and to mark that notch on their belt. Thats why they can often be seen, not paying attention to the game, and either making a cell call or text messaging. These things go on at any Ballpark, I think fans at Wrigley field are simply held to a higher standard because of the significance a trip there has to a solid baseball fan. I agree with the post earlier, any time I visit another park, or visit with other fans at spring training, they always comment on how much they love our park or how they would love to visit. Often players comment in the same way, good is good, even if it is old.

by StevenABQ on Apr 30, 2008 4:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Would be a GREAT.....

marketing if the Cubs could paint “respect the GAME” on the top of the bleachers instead of “respect Wrigley”. maybe they could push a little campaign like that…?

by MSCub on Apr 30, 2008 4:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I call B.S. on SI's B.S.!

San Diego up on the neighborhood? The neighborhood is a bunch of foreclosed condo high rises surrounded by drunken tourists and the homeless…there is no neighborhood there, LOL!

Sox and Pittsburgh in the top 10? Only if you are talking about restraining orders issued for your season ticket holders and tops in viewing a AAA team at a MLB park..

St. Louis and Fenway are too low, in addition to Wrigley Stadium.

by DudeVf11 on Apr 30, 2008 11:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Or Detroit
12 for neighborhood? About two blocks from there I watched a pimp yell at three hookers while one of them threw up in the gutter.

my owner buys me the expensive cat food, but i'll just eat this dvd shrinkwrap and that bug over there

by dr stabbingworth on May 1, 2008 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tell me you Jeff Gordon'd

“Wrigley Stadium” on purpose.

"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07

by RynoHoF on May 1, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, of course I do....

...But I do it for a number of reasons, the most noticeable of which now is the sickening (IMO) commercialization of the park. It’s no longer Wrigley Field to me as ever last $$$ is being extracted out of every camera angle.

If the taxpayers were required to subsidize the greed of the new owners, there is no way I want it called Wrigley Field anymore. Wrigley Stadium would be okay but I’d prefer that they come up with something to memorialize their sickening greed. Maybe they could auction of the rights to re-name the place before every game?

As a personal condo owner of your own 3X3 studio viewing space (seat) you get first crack at bidding on daily naming rights. The PA guy can say before each game:

“The winner in today’s auction for naming the stadium formerly known as Wrigley is Stan McSlodsknockzinskyryan, and the name of the dwelling where baseball will be played today is, drum roll please,.........”

by DudeVf11 on May 18, 2008 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry Dude...

You must have walked into the ocean, or something.

The East Village, (albeit filled with condos that were built before the recession, some right up to the edge of the LF stands) is now, generally - a vibrant, active neighborhood - replacing a derelict warehouse district. Perhaps you didn’t walk toward the adjacent Gaslamp District, loaded with restaurants and bars— almost “Wrigleyesque” in its’ character. Cross Harbor Dr, and you are at the San Diego Convention Center, with Seaport Village just a few more steps away. You have to look at this as a complete entertainment district, which now includes residential dwellings.

Of course, there are tourists - this city circulates on tourism, that’s why it can be very hard to make a decent wage in this city. Of course, there are some homeless - they can be found in every city in America. Services for such individuals are usually located near downtown areas.

In the past, I wouldn’t have ventured east of 8th Street, and that’s even with a bustling Gaslamp Quarter. Now, there’s activity all the way to I-5, and that’s well over a mile and a half from Petco Park. Los Angeles should be so fortunate to have a real ‘downtown’ that works.

Your description of the neighborhood is entirely inaccurate. If any ranking is appropriate, it certainly should be in the top 10—perhaps #3 or #4.

And I’m sure your “Wrigley Stadium” is just sarcastic—right???

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 1, 2008 12:25 AM CDT reply actions  

You are correct...

...the Gaslamp district surrounding the Petco is full of places to eat/drink and socialize. It is excellent for that. I was viewing neighborhood in a more residential sense and atmosphere and was too harsh on the Gaslamp and its great entertainment options.

by DudeVf11 on May 18, 2008 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Diamondbacks

Anyone who has lived in Phoenix can attest to the asinine ratings the D-Backs got. It’s a fan poll. Opinion. Lots of stupid opinions abound.

my owner buys me the expensive cat food, but i'll just eat this dvd shrinkwrap and that bug over there

by dr stabbingworth on May 1, 2008 7:54 AM CDT reply actions  

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