Good News - Bad News Friday
Good news: the sun came out today right about game time.
Bad news: The Cubs lost to the Astros 4-3, and it easily could have gone the other way.
I'm going to do the entire rest of this recap as a good news/bad news thing, because despite the loss, there was plenty of good to go around today. (Plenty of bad, too, and I won't hold back, either.)
Good news: Rich Hill threw six solid innings and gave up only two runs.
Bad news: Hill couldn't "close the deal" (as my friend Phil would say) in the fourth inning, after striking out the first two hitters, he walked Mark Loretta and then threw his "one bad pitch", a 2-run HR to J. R. Towles that wound up as the difference in the game.
Interlude: If you changed around the fourth and fifth letters in Towles' last name, you'd have the perfect catcher for a certain Former Employee of the Cubs. Right?
Good news: Mark DeRosa homered in the ninth inning, his first of the year.
Bad news: DeRosa bobbled a Lance Berkman grounder leading off the 8th, and Berkman later scored. If he handles this ball, Miguel Tejada, who tripled, maybe doesn't get the same pitch sequence from Jon Lieber.
Good news: Alfonso Soriano, forced by double-switch to 2B because Mike Fontenot wasn't available today, handled two grounders flawlessly. (I wouldn't have wanted to see him try a DP pivot, though.)
Bad news: Soriano waved at Tejada's ball in the 8th as it bounced off the wall and went by him. Had Soriano handled this ball, Tejada would have likely stopped at second and NOT scored on Ty Wigginton's fly ball. Lou Piniella said in his postgame press conference that he couldn't see the ball from his spot in the dugout. From where we were -- right behind Soriano -- it looked like he took his eye off the ball for just long enough for it to scoot by him.
Good news: Kosuke Fukudome had two more hits, keeping his early-season average at .500. Does this guy EVER swing at a bad pitch? I don't think I've seen him do that yet this year.
Bad news: None here. Fukudome's been absolutely rock-solid consistent through four games. The Cubs did their homework and got a terrific player, I think. (Yes, I know. Small sample size. Still, he seems to be playing exactly as he did in Japan.)
Good news: Jon Lieber threw really well, effortless as always, in his first outing. Had his batting order slot not come up, I have no doubt Lou would have sent him out for the 9th inning.
Bad news: The Cubs were playing Dustyball -- hackalicious. In the fifth inning we looked up and Chris Sampson's pitch count was 39.
Good news: Reed Johnson smacked a ball deep to left field in the 6th inning, pinch-hitting for Hill, for a double.
Bad news: Johnson's ball got knocked down by the wind and could have been a HR. Instead, he died at third base.
Good news, then bad news: many of the outs were hard-hit. The wind knocked down several fly balls, including all three balls hit to Astros CF Michael Bourn in the 4th inning.
Interlude: if Bourn ever became a really good player, and Nike created a shoe line to honor him, would it be called "Air-Bourn"?
Enough. Lou discussed the cold weather in the postgame news conference, and said it wasn't an excuse. It's not. Today was actually fairly nice while the sun was out, and the announced crowd of 37,812 was likely about 28,000 in the house, several thousand more than yesterday. Tomorrow and Sunday will be gorgeous, sunny days, with temperatures in the 60's.
Don't worry and don't panic. This team will be just fine.

Sight seen in the bleachers today. Photo by Al
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Prior..
i think
Who has my 'Club Paradise' dvd?
by Keystone80435 on Apr 4, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's "The Employee" to you, my friend.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 4, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops
sorry. You know I'm still learning.
noted
Who has my 'Club Paradise' dvd?
by Keystone80435 on Apr 4, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
I was being sarcastic with that statement
Finally!
by Chanman25 on Apr 4, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea i guess you were
I'm horrible with names and numbers so I'm very gulible.Once again everyone picks on the fat kid...... (takes ball and runs home)
Who has my 'Club Paradise' dvd?
by Keystone80435 on Apr 4, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea! Not one, but TWO John Kruk references!
and no - 'gullible' is not one of them...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Apr 4, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad tomorrow will be god weather
Left field bleachers here I come....first game of the year!
Chuck Norris is a Cubs fan...
by Walker71421 on Apr 4, 2008 5:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to vent on one thing
but you know what really grinds my gears? I hate when the Cubs lose but they outhit their opponent. That really steams my clams. There, I'm done.
by McRipper on Apr 4, 2008 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate it when they don't work the count and draw walks.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 4, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to happen to much
I don't like a lot of what i'm seeing but it's early so i'll give them a couple of weeks.
by McRipper on Apr 4, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was screaming and yelling about all the 'swinging at the 1st pitch' and getting an out but then Soto did it and drove in a run. Then again is it really Soto's job to go deep in a count? Probably not.
Who has my 'Club Paradise' dvd?
by Keystone80435 on Apr 4, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was following on gameday
and was getting extremely frustrated watching all the first pitch "in play, out(s)". I wanted to scream and yell but I'm at work so had to restrain myself.
by McRipper on Apr 4, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I WAS screaming and yelling at work....but no one cares becuase half of us have the game blaring on the radio.
Who has my 'Club Paradise' dvd?
by Keystone80435 on Apr 4, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what really grinds my gears
People in the 19th century. Why don't they get with the freakin program? It's called an automobile, folks. It's much faster than a horse!
On a side note, I'm not too worried about the team, these guys are still getting acclimated to Chicago. I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of them were still living in hotels. This ball club will take a while to get to know each other. Right now they are still individuals making a lot of money, give Lou some time to make a TEAM out of them. The central division is weak, we'll be fine.
by TommyD on Apr 4, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too true.
I've always like the 19th Century crowd, though, myself. It's those damned 17th century types that really gall me. Men in tights and frilly collars? Come on! I have a feeling the poor fashion sense of centuries past is due in large part to Alfonso Soriano.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Apr 4, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
don't get me started about Normans.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 4, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a nice crowd for sure,
but let's not let the Danes and the Saxons off the hook....
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Apr 4, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and those Egyptians!
Cats EVERYWHERE...
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 4, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of fashion and Soriano...
Didn't see the game today, but did anyone else notice Soriano's wearing some rather funky looking eyeblack patches yesterday? Or maybe eyewhite would be more appropriate. It looked like he had little white crescent moons under his eyes. Very strange...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Apr 4, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's an Under Armor logo,
I believe.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Apr 4, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh!
Looks like the NASCAR era has arrived in baseball
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Apr 4, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
baserunners do only make left hand turns.
just sayin'
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 4, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers-Ginats game looked
like a NASCAR race, as the Brewers just kept on cirlcing the bases. That offense can really do some damage.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Apr 4, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only a matter of time.
It really doesn't bother me, but I'm no purist. As an avid soccer fan, I'm used to pervasive ads, even on the uni's. If i makes money and makes for a better product, I dosen't really bother me, though in Sori's case it's probably a personal profit, not an organizational deal.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Apr 4, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think
it's actually a bat, as in the flying mammal variety. that's the logo of his bat company, as mr. brenly informed us yesterday.
and then brenly gently mocked him for having a big white mark on his eye blacks. "kind of defeats the purpose..."
by billywan on Apr 4, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah.
I see. And it does seem to defeat the purpose. I also like the guys that wear both eye black and sunglasses.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Apr 4, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and by the way
i was just messing with you the other day with the robbie keane comment. as a gooner, it was my duty to reply to you sarcastically.
(even though i kind of like robbie keane)
by billywan on Apr 4, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
COYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually, though it may knock be down a peg among my Spurs partners, I think I hate Chelsea more than you scummers!
No offense taken.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Apr 4, 2008 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KEANO! THERE'S only one..
KEANO!
I bet there's more than a few Cubs-Spurs fans like us. Similarly cursed...we're gluttons.
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by Bildo1805 on Apr 5, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha! Yeah.
Draw vs. Blackburn today. Meh. Hopefully a better result for the Cubs.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Apr 5, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is the logo of his bat company.
Len and Bob were talking about it today
by louslovechild on Apr 4, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else
think having only Johnson as backup in the outfield...and Ward I guess... is a problem? Today was a perfect example of my fears. You use Johnson early. You can't use Ward when you need to becuase you might need to use him in extra innings off the bench. You finally use Ward and now you've done 2 things. You've used your last power hitter off the bench and used up all your outfielders so you now have to keep Ward in and move Soriano to 2nd base. having all these extra utility infielders is great....but it won't help us when we need a power bat off the bench in late innings.
Who has my 'Club Paradise' dvd?
by Keystone80435 on Apr 4, 2008 5:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd much rather have Patterson than Fontenot...
...for the versatility Patterson provides, for just that reason.
But if you have a 12-man bullpen, you have a five-man bench. With the need for a backup catcher, that really becomes a four-man bench. You're going to come up short somewhere.
by cwyers on Apr 4, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you're right.
Who has my 'Club Paradise' dvd?
by Keystone80435 on Apr 4, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, furthermore...
... some of these pitchers aren't getting any/enough work. Today was Lieber's first appearance. Pignatiello has appeared once.
7-man bullpens are useless the first few weeks, when there are a lot of off days.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 4, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of the season
is that the Cubs starters have done a really good job going into the sixth inning this first time through the rotation. We probably wouldn't be saying this if Lieber had actually been inserted in the second game when he first got up in the bullpen. The pen would have gotten a lot of work that day.
I think its fortunate that the bullpen has been under utilized b/c is generally means that our starters are doing well.
by gwood on Apr 5, 2008 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget - DeRosa can move to a corner outfield spot
and one of those utility infielder types can take over at 2nd. And it'd be interesting to say the least, but Cedeno has had a little bit of experience now in CF, although not at Wrigley. So Lou does have a little bit of flexibility.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Apr 4, 2008 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason
though, Dero seems to be the first player replaced in the double switch these days. Lou hasn't double switched TheRiot or Pie at all yet and he isn't going to double switch out Lee, Ramirez, Soriano, Dome or Soto, so Lou has limited double switching options.
by gwood on Apr 5, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"These days"?
He did it once.
In fact, Ramirez was double-switched out yesterday (DeRosa moved to 3B).
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 5, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
missed that one
"these days" also has a small sample size
by gwood on Apr 5, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone?
Why was fontenot not available? Did he get injured?
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on Apr 4, 2008 5:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok
is it serious? (Probably not, but always good to be sure, he he)
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on Apr 4, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd presume not, but something to keep an eye on.
by cwyers on Apr 4, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
Thought I heard Lou say in the post-game comments that he was ready to use Fontenot to hit had the game continued. Swinging a bat is no easy feat for the back with all the twisting, so my guess is Fontenot will be fine and ready to go tomorrow. Warmer weather will definitely help.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Apr 4, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not going to panic yet
Thinking positive, thinking positive, thinking positive, thinking positive, thinking positive
by 23Ryno on Apr 4, 2008 5:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree....
however, I don't get a rosy feeling thinking of Oswalt vs Marquis tomorrow. Think positive, though.
BELIEVE!
by cubbie08 on Apr 4, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't it be ironic
if Marquis and Dempster were the first two pitchers in our rotation to get wins? I think so.
by gwood on Apr 5, 2008 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no panic here but...the defense this season
is horrendous which is concerning and I am really irritated at another slow start... especially at home.
Still can take 2 of 3 here. They need to wakeup.
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.
by JB 23 on Apr 4, 2008 5:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't like the slow start at all
mainly because the losses are within our division and we have a very difficult last two weeks of the season.
by gwood on Apr 5, 2008 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can live with losses....
but hate giving away runs, especially when they cost you the game. The 2 out walk cost at least a run, as well as the error.
Soto hit the ball hard all day. I guess that means, with the wind blowing out tomorrow, he grounds out weakly 4 times----seems to be the way it works.
BELIEVE!
by cubbie08 on Apr 4, 2008 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are we sure that wasn't Roger Clemens...
pitching for the Astros today?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 4, 2008 5:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Flaws
Not going to jump off the ledge or anything, but today showcased two flaws this club has that I'm worried will keep the count going to 101. First off, Rich Hill's mental inning at the zoo, otherwise knows as "The Kerry Wood Memorial Inning." Hill too many times goes to sleep between the ears. Today, lost focus, walked a hitter with two out, failed to regain focus and gave up a homer to a catcher no one's going to confuse with Russel Martin. I've always been scared that Hill doesn't have the gray matter to become the sequel to Erik Bedard and become the #2 starter we're going to need come October. I hope this changes.
Secondly, the millstone that resides in LF. As if the lollygagging after it at a critical juncture wasn't bad enough, then to wave at it like a parade float to cost us the game. Point to his assists all you like, this dude is a MINUS in LF, as he takes terrible angles, is deathly afraid of any wall anywhere, which would be fine if he got a jump on a ball slightly faster than an Easter Island statue, but he doesn't. That and his glittering approach at the plate make this guy the proverbial "square peg." I love 3-run homers when you're already up 4 against a middle reliever as much as the next guy, but not at this price.
And why do we have to cater our lineup around the 18 mil veteran so he's comfortable, but we can toss a rookie, Pie, into the worst possible spot for him to succeed, who needs every advantage he can get, and tell him to sink or swim?
by SamFels on Apr 4, 2008 5:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hater.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 4, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, let's go ahead and bash Hill...
...for a 3.6 ERA. And while we're at it, why don't we staple "WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BASEBALL" signs to our foreheads and start dancing around the streets, just to be on the safe side.
by cwyers on Apr 4, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we can't be .500 after 4 games...
what makes you think we can be .500 after 8...or 16....64? Phil Rodgers would agree with me on this I think.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 4, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well,
the law of averages kicks in more the later in the season you get.
Soriano had a severe lapse in judgment today. It stunk. But do we -really- think that this team is on it's way to finishing out of contention, with an under .500 record?
Hill pitched pretty well today. He made one real mistake, maybe two. Soriano made one. DeRosa fumbled the ball (although I'd say that his HR made up for at least some of that).
It's going to get better. I believe it.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 4, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're joking, right?
Guess the Tigers are going to go 0-162.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 4, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 4, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whew!
Had me worried there for a second.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 4, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My opinion would make you worry Al?
You should know then that I hold the opinion that despite the fact that it's only the "opening week" of the season...starting 1-3 is no way to christen a championship campaign.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 4, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A picture is worth a thousdand words,
but in this case, we only need one: stupidity.
What was this guy thinking!?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Apr 4, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That actually is me
After watching the Cubs first 4 games.
by lemon20pie on Apr 4, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHA!!!
Pour the booze down your gullet instead of on your head and you'll feel loads better.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Apr 4, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, just like...
... 15-30 was no way to start a NL championship campaign for the 2005 Astros.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 4, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's Not Let It Get...
...to that.
I'll take a 13-7 record after 20.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Apr 4, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And as long as I'm piling on here...
...do you have any idea of who J.R. Towles is? Any idea at all? One of the top catching prospects in all of baseball? Hit .375/.432/.575 last season in The Show? The guy can hit. Brad Ausmus is not the catcher for the Astros anymore.
by cwyers on Apr 4, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I reached for Towles
in a FBB draft this year and was a bit leery, but he really looks good so far.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Apr 4, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Towles
is a dead pull hitter. He's gonna have trouble once major league pitchers figure that out and start pitching him on the outside of the plate. If he can adjust, then yes, he'll be good, but I don't expect him to have an OPS of 900+ for long.
by false cognate on Apr 4, 2008 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
I thought I was the only one who was reminded of Kerry Wood's sudden mental meltdowns today-nothing makes me crazier then watchuing a Cubs pitcher get two outs and then completely melt down against the bottom of the order.
As for our LF-didn't Hendry and his scouts have any idea what an incredibly flawed player they were getting/ I mean, isn't that what they're paid to do-evaluate talent? I swear it looks like Hendry had some money burning a hole in his pocket and he just decided to throw it at the biggest name on the market. And now we're stuck with this guy for...what ? Seven more years? This could go down as the worst signing in Cubs history (and that's really saying something).
by bluekoolaide on Apr 4, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Fairness To Soriano...
... haven't Len and Bob mentioned on numerous occassions that the field is playing a lot faster? I presume this would be the case for foul territory as well.
I guess time will tell as other teams come to Wrigley. Hopefully Soriano learned something today. Granted, though, that in the coming weeks, the field will play more normally...
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Apr 4, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Ryan Theriot sucks; Soriano is just off to a slow start, as he is wont to do.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Apr 4, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loud, sustained applause.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 4, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just say no to the word "suck"
Ok be mildly disappointed in Soriano, but you're right, it's a mere slow start. It's only what, the 4th game?
Alfonso Soriano does not "suck" (the most over used word by sports fans) as a offensive player, he's a very, very good offensive player.
"The championship pennants, oh long may they wave - O'er the grounds of the Sox and the Cubs gloomy grave." - 1906 Chicago Daily News as quoted in The Cubs: The Complete Story of Chicago Cubs Baseball
by DrCrawdad on Apr 4, 2008 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am slightly
worried by Soriano's slow start because April is typically his best month statistically speaking.
by gwood on Apr 5, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going with the good news/bad news theme
From a good news perspective, is it just me or does it look like Soto is going to about 30 HR's this year?
Bad News- enough has been said already.
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.
by JB 23 on Apr 4, 2008 5:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Right-so far Soto looks like the goods
but i want to see him go through the league a couple of times before I become a trur believer but, for now, yeah somethinh to feel good about.
by bluekoolaide on Apr 4, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Continuing on the good news bad news theme
Good news- Rich Hill pitched well today
(not really) bad news- It came against the Astros lineup
That's all the good news I can think of.
Back to the bad news:
Bad news: Felix Pie looks absolutely lost at the plate and the Cubs need to start playing Johnson more, even against Righties. Pie's swing is still way too long and his plate discipline is atrocious. Good thing they didn't add him in the package for Brian Roberts
Bad News: The Cubs continued their hack attack mindset and had zero walks today.
Bad News: Soriano is a total hack at the plate and on defense. 6 more years of this guy huh, oyyy boyy.
Bad News: The Cubs got shut down by Sampson. Sampson!!!
Bad News: Marquis take the hill fot the Cubs tomorrow.
Bad News: The Cubs find yet another way to blow a game. Could easily be 4-1 right now.
Bad News: Top 4 hitters in the Cubs line up are hitting a combined roughly (too lazy to do the math) .130
Bad News: Both the Reds and the Brewers won again.
Good News: I'll close out with some good news. It's only April 4th. I'll give you that.
by lemon20pie on Apr 4, 2008 5:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
watch out
you'll be tagged a hater if you say the truth about Fonzie
by plenz on Apr 4, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been tagged worse on this site
Good thing it's only a blog ay?
by lemon20pie on Apr 4, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction
we have only 4 games played in 08......so that really is 7 years of the guy in LF
by plenz on Apr 4, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
marquis
will have a good game tomarrow watch.
Go CuBs!!!!!!!!!!
by tbizzle83 on Apr 4, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fortunately for me
I won't be able to watch tomorrow. Watching this team in April is torture. They'll heat up, but I just hope it won't be too late. Another start like last year and forget it. Don't expect the Brewers to collapse like they did last season and don't count out the Reds. They might, just might have a better team than the Cubs, if Cueto is consistent.
But I hope you're right about Marquis. Actually the problem might not be Marquis tomorrow, but most likely the offense.
by lemon20pie on Apr 4, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
... we should easily be 4-1 right now?
Even the best team in baseball could not have a 4-1 record after 4 games.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Apr 4, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just seems like they've played 5 games.
youu know what I meant. typo.
3-1. better?
by lemon20pie on Apr 4, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
...what it is, but both Soriano and Ramirez seem to take a while to get their competitive juices flowing to start the year.
In Ramirez' last AB, the first pitch he took was a cupcake slider right done the middle that didn't slide. 90% of the time, he launches that pitch. Then, he k's on virtually the same pitch.
Watching Soriano can really be tough sometimes. It was a very un-alert play he made to let that ball slide by him in the 8th. What makes it worse, is he dogs it going after it when it gets by him.
I know these guys will come around, but it's dissappointing when it looks like their head is just not in the game. Also, I am going to predict you will see Johnson get some starts in CF before long.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Apr 4, 2008 5:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Give peace a chance...
Soriano's offense will undoubtedly pick-up. His defense won't. But he's an exciting run producer. The offense will come and Cub fans shouldn't get too frustrated with his offense at this point.
I can see why you'd say he "dogged" it, 'cos it did kind of look like it and it seemed as though the fans responded to the whiff and the jog after the ball. A mad scramble after the ball wouldn't have changed anything once the ball got past him. His pursuit (and perhaps lack of hustle) did not cost the Cubs. The whiff did.
I can understand too Cubbie fans frustrations, but if they go on a winning streak who will care or remember getting only one win in the opening four?
Where I work they had a little celebration about the opening of baseball. A sign said, "The baseball season is 162 games this year." Um, it's 162 most every year.
It's just the start of the long, long, long baseball season. Patience.
There I've defended Soriano and preached patience.
"The championship pennants, oh long may they wave - O'er the grounds of the Sox and the Cubs gloomy grave." - 1906 Chicago Daily News as quoted in The Cubs: The Complete Story of Chicago Cubs Baseball
by DrCrawdad on Apr 4, 2008 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand his casual pursuit...
...of the ball did not change that specific play, but it is purely the principle of letting the ball get by you to begin with and then taking your time to go get it.
What if one of the Astros runners fell down running around the bases, and a quick retrieval of the ball could have saved a run? Maybe I am living in a long gone world in regards to baseball, but it is very hard for me to just brush off that type of response from Soriano as acceptable.
Now, let's pick up a W tomorrow.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Apr 4, 2008 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point
It didn't look good and you players should hustle. And you're right not to brush it off.
I'm not a fan at all of Soriano's defense, and I've taken all kinds of crap as a result of stating as such here. Soriano is not a gifted fielder and seems to lack the instincts and perhaps the desire to improve and/or to work at it.
In the end, though he's not there for his defense. Soriano's a offensive player and you deal with what he does in the field, unless they put the DH in the NL.
"The championship pennants, oh long may they wave - O'er the grounds of the Sox and the Cubs gloomy grave." - 1906 Chicago Daily News as quoted in The Cubs: The Complete Story of Chicago Cubs Baseball
by DrCrawdad on Apr 4, 2008 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mostly all been said
but two comments to add, for what they're worth.
1. yes, the cubs swung at a lot of first pitches today. but they weren't really swinging at a lot of terrible first pitches. sampson was consistently throwing it in the strike zone, and the cubs looked like their overall game plan was to swing at the first fastball so that the pitcher couldn't get ahead in the count. now granted, that doesn't mean swing at crap first pitch breaking balls, but it's not the worst approach in the world for a pitcher like sampson.
2. this isn't a weather excuse, but sampson didn't "shut down the cubs" today. sampson and the strong wind blowing in from center combined to limit the cubs today. that and a lot of line drives right at people. it's frustrating, sure. and exposes our reliance on the long ball. but soto smoked a few today, and lee had a couple rockets as well.
by billywan on Apr 4, 2008 6:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sampson was the furthest thing from a shutdown pitcher.
The Cubs put 33 balls into play, and only 3 of them fell in for hits. Does anyone think that's normal? Does anyone think that's sustainable? That's a .090 BABIP, which is simply an abberation. It has no bearing whatsoever on the talent level of this Cubs team.
by cwyers on Apr 4, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Though it's a shame you have to point out things like this after the 4th game of the season.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Apr 4, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot...
Of balls were hit hard today, especially from Soto.
"The one that invent the light tried 2,000 times and finally he did it, we have light...I don't want to spend 2,000 times to win Opening Day" Carlos Zambrano
by CubsBullsBears on Apr 4, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soto seems to swing really, really hard.
He's got a two handed, full extension thing going. When he makes solid contact, it seems to usually be an absolute screamer.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Apr 4, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if used enough
qualifiers in that last sentence. Sheesh, I really appear sure of my opinions...
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Apr 4, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it seems so.
:P
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 4, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see, i think
his swing is actually pretty short. that's why i'm excited about him. he stays inside the ball really well, and only really fully extends when he decides to try to yank a curve ball or something. but yeah, he seems to put a good swing on everything. as brenly said, he's squaring everything up right now.
by billywan on Apr 4, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's a pretty compact swing
but he gets his arms extended in a hurry. And, yes, he's really squaring up bad pitches right now.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Apr 4, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
that's probably a better way to describe it.
by billywan on Apr 4, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's ridiculous
because they put the ball in play means and still only scored 3 runs that is an aberration? There's plenty of pitchers out there and successful pitchers, that actually pitch to contact. The Cubs pitching has lead the league in strikeouts over the last what, 7 seasons now? How has that worked out?
by lemon20pie on Apr 4, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it doesn't mean it's an aberration
necessarily. because, yes, sampson pitched to contact, threw a pretty good sinker, and pretty much dared the cubs to try to hit a home run against him today. but pitching to contact maddux-style, where you're producing a lot of ground balls, and pitching to contact sampson-style, where you're giving up hard line drives and really loud outs isn't really "dominating" a team.
and the cubs strike out numbers would be a lot more impressive if it weren't for their walk numbers over the same years.
by billywan on Apr 4, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thing is
The Cubs were not working any counts and swinging early and often in the ab which means, they're swinging at pitchers pitches. So that BABIP is meaningless.
by lemon20pie on Apr 4, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that doesn't follow
just because they were swinging early in counts doesn't mean they were swinging at pitcher's pitches. sampson was pretty much throwing strike 1 every time up. if he's gonna try to groove an 85 mph fastball over, i don't mind people hacking at it. and that seemed to be the scouting report on him - swing early because he tries to get strike 1.
i'm not a huge stathead, so i'm skeptical of BABIP being applied everywhere. but today it's safe to say that the cubs absolutely smoked a lot of balls, and got really unlucky by either hitting them at people or having the wind hold the ball up.
by billywan on Apr 4, 2008 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See that's where stats like that are totally meaningless
Bottomline is they lost and not only did they lose, but again it's the fashion in which they lost. They found a way to lose it and the Astros didn't. Is there a stat for that?
Like I said, this team isn't this bad. They're better than this and they will be better than this, but don't count on the Brewers collapsing again. Speaking of aberritions, the way the Cubs finished the last 3 months of a season, is most likely an abberition and something they can't expect to do again. If the start out like they did last season, forget about it. It's gonna take 90+ wins to win this Division.,
by lemon20pie on Apr 4, 2008 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BABIP
I was about to make the same point myself, but cwyers beat me to it. Even Pat and Ron pointed out that the Cubs were hitting the ball real well today...it just always seemed that it was right at someone. The law of averages tells us that those hits will drop over the course of the season, and the Cubs will look better and Sampson will look like Jeff Suppan Lite, as he should.
by berselius on Apr 4, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al, insightful content as always, BUT...
...the Good News / Bad News format? Getting close to Downey territory aren't you? ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Apr 4, 2008 6:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
EEP!
Better not do that again.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 4, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only difference is that Downey would have a good news/bad news on the Chicago Fire...
...a month after thier season ended and somehow work in a NASCAR reference.
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.
by JB 23 on Apr 4, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 4, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF?
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Apr 4, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never mind.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on Apr 4, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sampson
shut us down. I want that player that we can not name, who plays in the city of the finest crabs.
Go Cubs
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Apr 4, 2008 6:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
who is it
that you want who plays for San Francisco?
There's absolutely NO guarantee that Roberts would have hit today. None.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 4, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roberts gets on base
period
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Apr 5, 2008 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every single time?
Like drewishdrewid said, there's no guarantee of that.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 5, 2008 4:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Al
stop being stubborn. It's painfully obvious to most, that Roberts would've been a great addition to this team. That is undeniable.
Now the point you will make is that at what price. Well I said I would've given up Ceda, Pie and Gallagher for Roberts, because 1 none of them help this team this year a team that was built to win if not this year, in the very foreseeable future and 2) I think all of the above mentioned prospects are not only prospects, but overrated prospects.
Here I go on another tangent, but the biggest thing that annoys me about the majority of Cub fans, is that not only do they consistently overrate the Cubs prospects, but they don't seem to ever learn their lessons about prospects, and mainly the Cubs prospects.
The Cubs are a major city market with revenue streaming in up the butt with ads and soon to be the defacing of Wrigley, and cub fans are preoccupied about prospects. Prospects that never pan out.
Makes you wonder about the agenda of some messengers.
by lemon20pie on Apr 5, 2008 4:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's have it.
Exactly what are you implying here?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 5, 2008 5:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying you're fabolous.
fabulous and a genius.
by lemon20pie on Apr 5, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
like Soto
and arguably Pie?
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 5, 2008 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so
he bats 1.000? All 162 games?
Wow. Call the Guiness Book of World Records, stat!
We have NO IDEA if Roberts would work in the cubs lineup or on the field. Oh, I've no doubt he's a talented ballplayer, but he certainly wasn't worth what McPhail seemed to be requiring, and he is NOT the messiah for Cubdom. I'd hate to see what this board would look like had he been acquired and then gone 1 for 16 over the first four games.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 5, 2008 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree drewishdrewid.
by Madison Cub Fan on Apr 5, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some can yell at Fonzie
...but their anger is misplaced. De Rosa kicking Berkman's routine grounder lost this game, not Sori misplaying a double into a triple.
If Berkman doesn't reach base, the whole inning (as Al implied) is probably different. The 16-mil guy gets the flack, the supporting player who doesn't make the big coin-- and truly, is responsible for the unearned runs -- is getting off easy here. De Rosa gets my full attention for the loss, not Hill, not Soriano, not Lieber.
And -- I'd rather have Brocail as my closer than Valverde, if I'm the Astros. His inning sealed the deal, no matter what the bottom of the 9th inning brought. The only way the Astros are going to compete is if these 2 have good years.
Tejada might be in a jail cell later on, but I'm not going into THAT right now....
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Apr 4, 2008 6:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to win
when your first 4 batters are hitting .059, .222, .222 and .154. But the thing that concerns me most is the seeming lack of enthusiasm and hustle. Is it possible that they believe they're the best team in the Central?
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
by tharr on Apr 4, 2008 6:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They lost as a team
that's 3 of their 4 losses that they IMO, should've won and found a way to lose. I don't like that trend.
I also don't like the fact that their top 4 hitters are hitting .055, .222, .150 and .222.
With the exception of Sheets, none of these pitchers that the Cubs have faced I would consider top tier pitchers and will end up with ERA's under 4.
Like I said, the only positive besides DOme (bat him 2nd Lou!!!!!!) is the fact that it's April 4th, because I've been hard pressed to find a positive on the field of play.
by lemon20pie on Apr 4, 2008 6:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's To The Start...
...of a 5-game winning streak.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Apr 4, 2008 7:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hear, hear!
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Apr 4, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My two cents
I agree with a lot of what's been said. And the good news/bad news is the best way of looking at these, ahem, four games. Only four. And only one of them did we look bad. A few things:
Lee: he has hit the ball the other way, and turned on pitches really nicely. I think his wrist is feeling solid and I think he is back to where we have always hoped he would be.
Soto: the guy absolutely destroyes pitches. It's that sound. It reminds me of the sound of a Mike Schmidt homerun. Remember those? (shudder) When he hit that single to tie the game I was very pleased because it wasn't a fly ball. Fly balls are all well and good, but it wouldn't have driven in anything.
Pitching: So far so good. I mean it. It's one thing not to give up runs, its another to get out of jams, which both Hill and Dempster did. Lieber got a hard luck loss today, but he's a class act, so I will take it.
Other stuff: Why oh why can't Soriano look more interested in the field?! It just drives me nuts. Lou too, I bet. DeRosa just doesn't look very good, like he's a bit sluggish. The homerun being the exception. The Riot is not rioting.
I really think Fukudome should lead off. And i think it will happen.
I think we have a terrific team. We don't excel in any one area, but we really don't fall behind in any one area either. Balance. Balance. Balance.
Okay, I eagerly await everyone telling me that: 1) I am a moron, 2) I am a genius, or 3) I am being incredibly redundant. The truth is, all three
They call me MISTER Fukudome!
by brokenland on Apr 4, 2008 7:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Silver lining
is it is early. So noone, including me, is giving up on this team. Do I think that they're as good as most on this board do? No. Do I think this team is as bad as it's been playing? No. Somewhere in the middle. I've been advocating the Cubs add that player, while most here have not. Now, that most likely will not happen anytime soon, but besides TPTSNBN aside, the Cubs needed to add more, because although they got better with DOme, the Brewers also got that much better with getting the experience that they got last year under their belts. They can not afford another slow start like last season.
Unfortunately with the struggles of the vets like Soriano, Lee and Ramirez the struggles of players lie Pie and Theriot are being put under a microscope, which honestly isn't fair. but that's what is happening and will happen if they don't start picking it up. Lee struggled in ST and while I don't expect him to suck all year, I also see a downard trend in his numbers, which is another trend I don't like.
by lemon20pie on Apr 4, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember...
...our guys may still be stuck in ST. Soriano, DeRosa, Pie, Ramirez all lost time.
We need a fast start... and if we can turn it around with a nice little winning streak in the next 5 games, then turn in .600 ball (say, 7-4) for the next 11 games, we'll be 13-7 to start the year.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Apr 4, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
line up
soriano
fukudome
lee
ramirez
derosa
soto
theriot
pie
try it out lou!!
Go CuBs!!!!!!!!!!
by tbizzle83 on Apr 4, 2008 7:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
slight modification
Fukudome
Theriot
Soriano
Lee
Ramirez
Soto
Derosa
Pie
Soriano is not a leadoff hitter. He likes it. I don't care. The cubs do not have a real leadoff man, unless Pie learns the difference between a ball and a strike and stops acting like a poor man's Shawn Dunston. Fukudome is the closest we have to a leadoff man.
They call me MISTER Fukudome!
by brokenland on Apr 4, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my 2 cents
i just dont like sori in the 3rd spot he strikes out too much for me in crucial situations. i like d-lee in that spot because he can come up with a big hit. maybe sori in clean-up until ramirez heats in a month or so then put alfonso in the 5 hole.
Go CuBs!!!!!!!!!!
by tbizzle83 on Apr 4, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Sori isn't a lead off hitter
but honestly, right now, I'd rather have him suck it up there then in the middle of the order. Which is a totally messed up view and defeatist view point, but right now it's true. When Sori starts heating it up , then I think the Cubs can start thinking about bputting in the 3rd or 5th spot. My lineup would be:
Soriano
Fukudome
Lee
ARM
Dero
Soto
Theriot
Pie
and when the weather and Soriano start heating up:
DOme
Derosa
Lee
ARM
Soriano
Soto
THeriot
Pie
Against Lefties:
Johnson
Derosa
DOme
ARam
Sori
Lee
Soto
Theriot
by lemon20pie on Apr 4, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Think The Main Thing...
... is that Piniella wants to split up Pie and Theriot.
Also, I think Lou may need to start batting Soto 8th and move Pie to 7th. Otherwise, Pie is going to see nothing but filth and not learn much.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Apr 4, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the whole point
He's supposed to be learning in the 8th spot. He knows that he's gonna see nothing but junk and yet he still can't lay off bad pitches. Hopefully it'll click relatively soon and he'll start recognizing off speed pitches and the approach of these pitchers on getting him out.
by lemon20pie on Apr 4, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't You Want To Put A Player...
... in a position where he'd best succeed? It doesn't appear that Pie is being set up that way.
Granted, we all know that his spot gets magnified with the rest of the team looks lethargic...
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Apr 4, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the point in putting Soto
8th. Atleast not now. Up to this point he's been one of the better rbi guys on this team. Don't see the logic in putting one of your better hitters in the 8th spot.
Unfortunately, I don't think it's gonna matter where the Cubs put Pie, he's gonna struggle.
by lemon20pie on Apr 4, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Mind Soriano Leading Off...
... he is a streak hitter, no doubt. When he's hot - he gives you instant offense, especially leading off a game. When he's not, you get him out of the way faster in the lead off spot.
Who thinks Cintron will be in the deal with Roberts? ;-)
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Apr 4, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do we get to send them
Cedeno with the deal? Cause that would be ok.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 4, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
...that's why we would need Cintron in return.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Apr 4, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looks as though...
...the Cub's lineup has replaced the Bear's QB situation as the biggest controversy in Chicago sports.
By the way, I agree with your lineup.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Apr 4, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know, I'm starting to think
the real problem with the lineup is Theriot, not Soriano. Don't get me wrong - I still want Soriano moved down in the order but also recognize that probably isn't a good idea unless/until we get a legitimate leadoff hitter. In other words, I reluctantly admit Soriano is our best option at leadoff right now.
But wither Theriot? Can he cut it in the 2 spot? I suppose we should give him a chance, but my gut says no. So if he's not the answer at #2, then middle-of-the-lineup guys all have to move up one, and we end up with DeRosa (or Soto) at #5, AND we most likely have Theriot and Pie together at the bottom. Not good.
Bottom line: No matter how you slice it, I think this team will continue to be streaky at best until we get either a legitimate leadoff hitter OR a solid #2 guy and leave Soriano at leadoff.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Apr 4, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You nailed it...
...the club will be streaky from an offensive standpoint if you have 2 low OBP guys at the top, and right now, that is exactly what you have.
I do think it's only a matter of time before Lou gives in to what he already knows, and that is Fukudome is a text book 2-hole hitter. When that happens, I will feel a tad better. Theriot is going to be very similar to what he was last year from an offensive standpoint, and that is clearly a bottom of the order guy.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Apr 4, 2008 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
If Fukudome moves up to #2, Theriot to #7 and Pie to #8, then we'll have about the best lineup construction possible given the players we have.
And I think eventually Soto will wind up hitting ahead of DeRosa.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 5, 2008 4:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree...
...and I will add to your Soto comment; I have been very impressed by his approach at the plate. He has chased a few breaking balls off of the plate, but everytime he has got a good pitch to hit, he has hit it right on the screws. I can see a scenerio where he could become one of the team's best power guys and move up in the lineup.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Apr 5, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree to a point
I think first and foremost Sori needs protection, lee or rami. Third or fourth. He is a run producer and he will strike out a lot.
At some point, this year, next, sometime, however, I see soto will be cleanup or fifth.
They call me MISTER Fukudome!
by brokenland on Apr 4, 2008 7:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My $0.03
1. DeRo is definitely pressing. Not sure if it is because of his shortened ST, or because he's trying to "prove" to Lou that the Cubs don't need TNO.
2. I'm really concerned about Ramy's shoulder. None of his throws have looked good at all.
3. Sori may be pressing too. He likes batting leadoff. He heard all of the TNO rumors just like DeRo. Lou didn't do either guy any favors over the winter. The best thing he could do now is to totally renounce interest in TNO.
4. Riot does not belong at the top of a ML batting order.
5. Lou is starting to really bother me. Fontenot has a bad back, and he wastes Cedeno for nothing more than forcing a pitching change for Ward? He has two good-hitting pitchers and he wastes Johnson early when he only has a four-man bench? Someone, anyone, 'splain that for me.
6. Rich Hill did fine -- the one thing the 'Stros can do is hit, and he only gave up 2 ER in 6 innings.
7. I predict that Sori, Ramy, and DLee will heat up; Riot won't.
8. Pie's swing is a bit better, but his approach is not.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Apr 4, 2008 7:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
1st comment
woo-hoo 1st comment in the new digs... This is nice and still has the new blog smell..Took me awhile to settle on a name since it's almost like naming a pet at least and won't go as weird as saying child but let's face it you're stuck with it..
Hope this wasn't a bad troll name in Cubs blogdom before and if it was I'm not that person.... as far as you know.. bwwwhahaa.. No seriously I'm not... Anyhoo, just wanted to get the 1st comment out of the way and see how this looks.. Great blog Al and hi everyone.. Go Cubs!
by blueivy on Apr 4, 2008 7:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice!
Welcome!
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Apr 4, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"New blog smell" LOL
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 4, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do They Offer That...
... as one of the scents at a car wash?!?
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Apr 4, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRo
I thought the same thing today about Aram. Most of his throws have been short.
by Rick B. on Apr 4, 2008 7:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Zero walks for the Cubs?
Wow! Way to make an ABC proud.
by DudeVf11 on Apr 4, 2008 8:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, zero yesterday.
After drawing 13 in the first three games.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 5, 2008 4:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are absolutely right.
I over reacted to that game.
by DudeVf11 on Apr 6, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone using Gameday Audio now?
I can't get GA to work. I get to schedule page fine, but no matter what audio game I click on, it keeps trying to dump me into MLB TV, which I don't have (nor want). I click on the audio tab and pick my station again, and same thing - it tries to open up a video session.
Anyone use GA successfully earlier today?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Apr 4, 2008 9:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Weird wacky stuff
Wasn't working using Firefox browser, but when I switch over to Safari, it works fine. Strange.
Oh well, I'm happy now - three hours of Indians baseball! Only thing missing is Harry Doyle announcing it. "Juuuuuust a bit outside..."
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Apr 4, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is Safari?
I have tried and failed with both IE and Firefox.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Apr 4, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Safari is the Mac equivalent of Windows IE
Firefox is third party (Mozilla I think) and has a pretty good track record of working well in both Windows and Mac operating systems. So I found it odd that I had something that worked in Safari but NOT Firefox.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Apr 4, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I guess I won't be goin' on a Safari any time soon -- I have a PC.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Apr 4, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
You can get Safari for Windows as well (and was recently included with an iTunes update).
by lalocp on Apr 4, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks -- I may try this
I'm going crazy without GA right now!
I'm still baffled why Firefox actually did less than IE. With IE, I got the Media Player and the drop-down menus, etc. With Firefox, I just got a blank Media Player frame.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Apr 4, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Mac user, I must take offense. Safari is NOT the Mac version of IE, unless you mean by "Mac version" that it is safer, is frequently upgraded, and offers better performance. Once Microsoft eliminated Netscape, it didn't bother updating IE so Firefox (which grew from the remains of Netscape) surpassed it on the PC platform.
: )
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Apr 4, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IE was/is notorious as an unsafe browser. Safari isn't perfect either, but it's leaps and bounds ahead of IE. (I can't speak for its performance on PC, so I'm mostly talking about the Mac version of a now cross-platform browser.)
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Apr 4, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
c'mon - you knew what I meant...
Gosh - I never figured you Mac types to be so sensitive... ;-)
Perhaps 'equivalent' was not the right word to use, certainly not in terms of quality and reliability. Probably the only thing they have in common is they both come already loaded with their respective operating systems (Windows & IE, Mac OS & Safari). Whereas you have to make a little effort if you want Firefox.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Apr 4, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha. Yeah, some of us can be quite fanatic. Apologies. I had to defend Safari's honor!! Commander Steve Jobs requires it!!
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Apr 4, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well so far so [mostly] good with my Mac
Have mostly loved my almost two years with a Mac after 15+ years of Windoze in the corporate world.
Don't want to hijack this thread talking about Mac stuff, but if you have experience with web site building software apps that run on a Mac, I'd love to hear your thoughts. Send me an e-mail (click on my avatar) if you don't mind. Thanks.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Apr 4, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Done.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Apr 5, 2008 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in the same boat.
I can't get GA to load a game, or even play the free highlights. I've had this problem ever since they migrated to the new version of the Media Player on the last day of ST. It isn't forcing me to TV -- it's doing less than that.
I called Tech Support today for the fourth time. This time, they wouldn't admit that the problem is on their end. (On Wednesday, the woman said that the problem was on their end and would by fixed by Thursday morning. No dice.) The woman had me reload Windows Media Player -- even though I have the latest edition -- and reload Silverlight. No dice. I was on the phone with her about 45 minutes (plus 10 minutes on hold). She said that she was "sure" the problem was on my box, and that she was "elevating" my issue to a tech guru. She promised me that the guru would call me back by 9 pm CT. Hasn't happened yet.
I would suggest calling them in the morning (you won't wait on hold as long) and complain. They are supposedly offering free TV games tomorrow, so they will be innundated in the afternoon.
I swear that the IRS gives better customer service.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Apr 4, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth...
I do remember getting a message telling me a new version of Silverlight was available and asking me to upgrade now. I couldn't hit the NO option fast enough. I'm not even sure what Silverlight does, but I've heard nothing but bad news about its latest release. Maybe someone with more expertise will weigh in here.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Apr 4, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure
On my first tech support call, the woman said that Silverlight is not required. The second time, the guy said it isn't required. Today, the woman said that it was required.
I loaded it when it first came out, and it messed up everything so badly that I had to remove it and Windows Media Player, then reload WMP. I loaded it two days ago, and it seems to work OK (though it hasn't helped my GA issue).
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Apr 4, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a similar boat
I called them on sunday and got the same runaround - their tech support people still haven't called me back. FWIW, it does seem to work on my wife's computer, but that doesn't do me any good for day games (linux laptop + linux work environment). I'm totally convinced the issue is at their end, and if I could talk to a frickin' programmer, instead of a clueless 'tech support' drone that knows nothing about their actual codebase, between the two of us we could figure out what's going on in < 5 minutes.
by berselius on Apr 4, 2008 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano's defensive defenders
I hope those who praise Soriano's defense were watching today. Of course, Soriano didn't even get an error for that costly whiff.
When I saw the play I said outloud, that was an error and then Len & Bob both said it was an error. The official scorekeeper sided with Soriano.
So in future arguments in support of Soriano's defense, his defenders won't have to worry about that whiff hurting his defensive stats.
Soriano's poor defense played at the very least a part in today's loss. But hey, Soriano's got a strong arm.
"The championship pennants, oh long may they wave - O'er the grounds of the Sox and the Cubs gloomy grave." - 1906 Chicago Daily News as quoted in The Cubs: The Complete Story of Chicago Cubs Baseball
by DrCrawdad on Apr 4, 2008 9:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Plesac Said It Right...
...give any team an extra out or two late in the game is asking for trouble. You can't blame Soriano entirely... DeRosa's bobble started it all. Without that, and including Soriano's gaffe, the Cubs are down 3-2 in the bottom of the ninth. Change Tejada's triple to a double, we win 3-2 in walk-off fashion.
Jacque Jones is gone, and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!
by initram on Apr 4, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yay, criticizing things we don't understand!
It not being scored an error means it doesn't show up in fielding percentage. I don't use fielding percentage, and I don't know of a lot of people who do anymore. And I don't think those are the people you're critiquing anyway.
What I - and a lot of other people - use are the varying flavors of Zone Rating. And for any sort of Zone Rating, what happened today probably counts as a Ball In Zone for both Soriano and Ramirez. Players are rated based upon how many times they make a play on a BIZ, compared to other fielders at their position.
But it's a lot more fun for you to come over here and troll than it would be for you to know a damned thing about what you're criticizing, isn't it.
by cwyers on Apr 4, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
However you rate it...
...it was a bad bad play.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Apr 4, 2008 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it was a bad play.
Here's the question, though. Do you think that you can rate a player based upon one play?
by cwyers on Apr 5, 2008 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The play today...
....did not form my personal opinion of Alfonso Soriano. To me, it was just another event that confirms (IMO) that of all the Cub defenders, he is the last person I want the ball hit to. I realize he has a very good arm, but arms are secondary to a fielder's absolute need to catch the ball first.
With that said, I can accept Soriano's physical limitations in the field. What I can not accept is his casual attempt to retrieve the ball once it got by him. To me, there is simply no option there.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Apr 5, 2008 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His arm is a secondary concern.
There's two components to outfield defense (other than the arm):
- Getting to the ball
- Handling the ball once you're there
Soriano isn't very sure-handed, but his speed and athleticism allows him to get to a lot of balls compared to other left fielders - yes, even though his routes aren't that good, and yes, even though he's tenative going back towards the wall.
If you don't believe me, feel free to go to Retrosheet.org, download the game logs, and look at how often Soriano catches balls hit to left field when he's in the game. Then look at how often other left fielders get to balls hit to left field. Compare them. Or you could look at Zone Rating, which does that for you.
Or you could assert that your ability to scout players is a far better indicator of their defensive prowess than how often a guy actually makes a play on a ball hit toward him. If that's the case then, well, I question your definition of "good defensively," but whatever.
And just allow me to reiterate - compared to other left fielders. This point constantly seems to escape the attention of people when I talk about this. He's obviously a bad middle infielder, and unless a team has a surplus of good defensive outfielders it's not like you see a bunch of Gold Glovers out in left. There's a reason why you see guys like Adam Dunn and Carlos Lee playing there. But compared to his peers - that is, guys who play left field in the majors - Soriano is above average defensively. An above average left fielder is probably an average to below average defensive player compared to, say, pretty much everyone who isn't a first baseman or designated hitter. (Or a right fielder - the only real difference on average between a major-league right fielder and left fielder is the arm, and Soriano definately has the arm to play right.)
by cwyers on Apr 5, 2008 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have respect for your...
...opinion and I am sure the numbers you refer to are completely accurate. With that said, I will stand by my previous statement:
If it is the 9th inning, there are runners on base and the Cubs need one out to win the game, Soriano is that last guy on the Cubs defense that I want the ball hit to. I understand that may be the case for a lot of teams, but the man scares me in left.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Apr 5, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point is to outscore the other team.....
Again......THE CUBS COMPLETE LACK OF OFFENSE lets us all focus on the paarts of the game that other teams are able to overcome because ...they do have some offense.....
The best defense is a good offense
by kcjones on Apr 4, 2008 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya...
...I guess the official scorer viewed the same way he would a fly ball lost in the lights, and called it a triple.
Anyway you look at it, it was a brutal play, from start to finish.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Apr 4, 2008 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The scorer was probably correct.
Take a gander at the official rules.
(a) The official scorer shall charge an error against any fielder:
(1) whose misplay (fumble, muff or wild throw) prolongs the time at bat of a batter, prolongs the presence on the bases of a runner or permits a runner to advance one or more bases, unless, in the judgment of the official scorer, such fielder deliberately permits a foul fly to fall safe with a runner on third base before two are out in order that the runner on third shall not score after the catch;
There are more, but most cover throwing errors or obscure circumstances. The commentary goes on to add:
For example, the official scorer shall charge an infielder with an error when a ground ball passes to either side of such infielder if, in the official scorer’s judgment, a fielder at that position making ordinary effort would have fielded such ground ball and retired a runner. The official scorer shall charge an outfielder with an error if such outfielder allows a fly ball to drop to the ground if, in the official scorer’s judgment, an outfielder at that position making ordinary effort would have caught such fly ball. If a throw is low, wide or high, or strikes the ground, and a runner reaches base who otherwise would have been put out by such throw, the official scorer shall charge the player making the throw with an error.
You don't have to touch a ball to get an error awarded, but it helps to be somewhere near it. In this specific case, there's very little to suggest that an outfielder should be awarded an error on a ground ball that he didn't come close enough to field. You could argue over whether or not Ramirez should have been awarded an error, but again to the rulebook:
The official scorer shall not score mental mistakes or misjudgments as errors unless a specific rule prescribes otherwise.
Ramirez thought the ball was foul - a mental mistake, and thus not an error.
This is why I don't think errors are a very good way of judging defensive quality, but that's an arguement for another day.
by cwyers on Apr 5, 2008 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree...
...official scorers just don't have the leeway (at least they haven't shown it) to give errors simply for a fielder taking a terrible route to a ball.
I have no idea how the spread sheets would measure Soriano on that play, but the trained human eye would rate it very very low.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Apr 5, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disheartening
It's the only word that comes to mind. The same year after year futility on offense. And just like last year the Cub hitters make the most obscure and craptastic pitchers on the planet look like Cy Young reincarnate.
Can't say anything more about Alfonso Soriano than I've already said. But I don't want to hear anybody tell me again about the alleged greatness of the $136 million man.
And now the Cubs have to face Roy Oswalt on Saturday.
by MDBNIU on Apr 4, 2008 9:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Way to overanalyze after four games.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 5, 2008 4:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's right
he futilely hit 14 home runs in September last year.
They futilely clawed their way into first place.
They futilely played arizon-- well, ok. I'll give you that one.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 5, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just happy to be here
This is my first post here at the new and improved BCB. Very nice digs Al. Very,very nice. My alias was Laporte Cubs Fan.
I know this is cheesy, but I am just happy as punch that we are talking about baseball again, and that the weather this weekend will be the warmest in 6 months.
Thanks AL!!! See you sometime this summer.
by Notre Dame Cubbie on Apr 4, 2008 10:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rich Hill's performance
At the game today, Rich Hill as well as Sampson were helped by the wind alot today. There were numerous balls that would have been hit out had the wind not blown them down. My point is Rich Hill did not pitch as well as it seems he did, on a different day he would have given up three or four homers today. The Cubs, and especially Soto, lost a few homers today as well.
by Imtrejo on Apr 4, 2008 10:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well, sure, but on a different day
Sampson would have been hammered as well. From what I remember of the game, there were more Cubs hits that "should" have gone out than Astros hits; we might have won the game if not for the wind and the arguably mental errors.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 5, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point was not about the results of the game
but about Rich Hills performance. On a different day Hill would not have looked good, the wind helped hide some of the mistakes he made. It also helped Sampson, who also didn't pitch as well as it seemed.
by Imtrejo on Apr 6, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 runs on 9 hits...
Some things never change....
Does Jim Hendry subsscribe to the Jerry Angelo offensive philosophy, or does Jerry Angelo subscribe to the Jim Hendry offensive philosophy???? They must drink together....
The best defense is a good offense
by kcjones on Apr 4, 2008 10:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That Kevin HArt Jersey...
I had a number 5 Nomar jersey, and i just stitched out the lettering, so i have a number 5 jersey. Since i realized who's number it was, I havent touched it.,..
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying" - Michael Jordan, the one and only...
by LPLancer23 on Apr 4, 2008 11:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fukudome Swung at bad pitch
I believe on Wednesday, he swung at a would be Ball 4 in a full count, but Aramis had a hit and run on, so it wasnt his fault. I still dont get that hit and run...
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying" - Michael Jordan, the one and only...
by LPLancer23 on Apr 4, 2008 11:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's Just Hope
our beloved Cubbies are getting all of their bad baseball out of the way early and that we're about to make a 158-game run...
"The Cubs can't be stopped" -- Me
by lilkimmer77 on Apr 4, 2008 11:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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