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Open Thread: Cubs vs. Astros, Saturday 4/5, 12:05 CT

Houston @ Chicago


Seriously. You'd think the last four games were playoff games and the Cubs were down in a series 3 games to 1. It's April. Yesterday, there was some bad play that probably cost the Cubs the game. But I remind you: it's April. Relax. Unless this sort of thing persists for the next couple of weeks, this team will be just fine.

Bruce Miles quotes Lou on lineups:
"I've never really had this many questions about lineups," Piniella joked with reporters prior to the series opener against Houston. "I think you all fantasize about lineups at night, I really do."
And:
"It's not the most difficult thing to do in the world," Piniella said. "It's not as hard as doing the crossword puzzle of the New York Times, I can tell you that."
Lou discusses the new mandate for base coaches to stay in the coaches' box, and the suspension of Larry Bowa for violating this directive:
The rule requires that a coach, "until being passed by a batted ball, must position himself no closer to home plate than the front edge of the coach's box and no closer to fair territory than the edge of the coach's box closest to the field."

Piniella said the rule wasn't enforced during spring training.

"Maybe that's what happened with Larry," he said. "I liked having Larry on my staff because he was feistier than me."

The rule makes sense because of the death of Tulsa Drillers coach Mike Coolbaugh when he was hit in the head with a batted ball last year. Base coaches also now have to wear helmets (and many of them hate that). But I think the suspension of Bowa was a bit over the top.

Today's Starting Pitchers
Jason Marquis
J. Marquis
Cubs
vs. Roy Oswalt
R. Oswalt
Astros
12-9 W-L 14-7
4.60 ERA 3.18
109 SO 154
76 BB 60
22 HR 14
vs. Hou -- vs. Cubs

Stats are 2007 season stats

Lance Berkman absolutely kills Marquis: .514/.625/.784 with 5 doubles, a triple, a HR and 13 RBI in 37 AB. Better to walk him every time (already 11 of those, too). Mark DeRosa hits Oswalt well: .529/.500/.765 (that's not a misprint -- he has one sac fly and no walks, 9-for-17). Aramis Ramirez has 3 doubles and 3 HR in 54 AB, also no walks. In fact, of Cubs who will hit today, only Derrek Lee has walked (five times) against Oswalt.

Today's game is once again on CSN Chicago and FSN Houston, on the usual radio stations (thanks to XM for keeping the game on the same channel all week!) and at the MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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I would really

like to see the bats get going early today. This struggling to get on the board and playing from behind late is really bugging me. Plus, when you're playing from behind you're more apt to swing for the fences, which is trouble with this team.

But I'm not panicked. This team will hit.

Go Cubs!

by 26.2cubsfan on Apr 5, 2008 9:17 AM CDT   0 recs

Good quotes from Miles.

...and I agree, don't panic. The Cubs aren't a 100 W team. We have holes, but we have enough to win the NLCD (as do the Brewers). There was a race last year, right? It's going to be the same this year.

Going into the season the Cubs had weaknesses, an inconsistent offense that can be poor at getting on base and scoring, an IF defense that could be poor, and some reliance on injury prone and older guys on the pitching staff (higher injury risk), all of that in addition to the general lack of all-star talent. But every single team has weaknesses.

The Cubs are going to compete.

The one downside so far has been the comments from the players about new grass. Only the Cubs organization could find a way to disadvantage their team in this manner. I don't really mean disadvantage but you know what I mean (Murphy's law). Come on Cubs, it may be cold, but take extra practice in the field if you aren't comfortable with the grass yet. Geeze--maybe the former manager wasn't the only complainer/excuse maker or is this his legacy? Whatever it is, I long for the days when the Cubs stop making these excuses. The other team is playing on the same field.

by DudeVf11 on Apr 5, 2008 9:23 AM CDT   0 recs

Fast grass

It's not like the other team is playing in a different stadium when the Cubs are at bat...the other teams are just as disadvantaged. Though I guess the fast grass does hurt us more than some other teams with poor defense at 2B, SS, and LF.

by berselius on Apr 5, 2008 10:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

poor defense at 2nd?

Bite your tongue. DeRosa is a good 2nd baseman.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 5, 2008 11:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

DeRosa's defense is the least...

...of my worries. He may not be top shelf, but he is reliable.

It will be interesting to see how the Cub's (up the middle) defense pans out over the season. Pie is clearly a + defender, but I can't say the same for Theriot, DeRosa and it's too early to tell with Soto.

I tend to agree with the theory that it is important for good teams to be strong up the middle and how Soto comes along with play a factor here.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 5, 2008 12:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yogi Speaks

Paraphrasing Yogi Berra, "It gets late early over there" in Chicago when it comes to Cubs baseball. Yep, it's only 4 games in ..... BUT .....

3 quality starts yield only 1 win

1 win occurs the only time the top of the order gets on base

Fundamentally unsound defensive mistakes abound

Terrible ABs abound

So, sure, relax, it's early .... take the advice of Alfred E. Neuman, "What, Me Worry?"

If It Takes Forever ....

by wrigley1 on Apr 5, 2008 9:25 AM CDT   0 recs

Some patience at the plate..

..and some defense somewhere north of the bad news bears would be a good place to start today.

Looks like a beautiful day and good day to start winning games.

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Apr 5, 2008 9:28 AM CDT   0 recs

Go Cubs!

Spring has been sighted or at least whispered on the News so enjoy the nice weekend eveyone.. Great day for a ball-game! 2 hours to go and going to procrastinate some more the things I really should be doing b/f then.. : ^ )

Cubs today need to score on Oswalt whenever you have a chance... I want to see the bats respond to being called out by Lou yesterday.. Said you can't win by scoring few runs and is pointing right at Fonzi right now.. It's time he started hitting Fonzi and I confidence you will.. Marquis, you are playing for your job and I think you realize that so let's bring it today... Beat them Stros' !

by blueivy on Apr 5, 2008 9:30 AM CDT   0 recs

Great quote about lineups

Cubs fans here WAY overthink lineup construction. As long as you keep your better players near the top, and your worse players near the bottom, lineups really don't make much of a difference. Other than the mysterious affectation for batting Theriot 2nd Lou does this.

I'd imagine lineups influence the psychology of the player more than the actual outcome of the game.

by Wreckard on Apr 5, 2008 9:33 AM CDT   0 recs

Some former Cubs

I was listening to the Dodgers-Padres game on XM last night (And Ted Leitner was more than his obnoxious self... SanDiego Jazzman, how do people put up with him...). Glendon Rusch, who had a great spring by all reports, had a poor debut with the Padres. He allowed 2 ER over 1.2 innings giving up 4 hits, a walk and a WP. He also allowed a few inherited runners to score.

We've also had the opportunity to see Jacque Jones in a few Tigers games. Jacque got his first hit for the Tigers yesterday but he's hitting .091 and he left another 3 runners stranded. He also badly misplayed a flyball to LF, broke in before backing up and the ball sailed over his head, allowing a few runners to score.

The Corey Patterson leadoff experiment is working as well as we all knew it would. Corey finds himself with a .167 AVG and an even lower .154 OBP. But hey, at least he isn't clogging up the base paths, dude!

DmL

by dmlichte on Apr 5, 2008 9:44 AM CDT   0 recs

meh

no mlb extra innings for free today due to fox..oh well

Finally!

by Chanman25 on Apr 5, 2008 9:51 AM CDT   0 recs

tonight's

games are on though

by plenz on Apr 5, 2008 10:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree that this team should and probably

will make it a race despite the terrible start. On the other hand-and I know some are going to say I'm getting ahead of myself-but I have no confidence based on the current make-up that they'll be able to do anything in the postseason again and, let's face it, that's what it's all about.
I'm clinging to the hope that Hendry will be able to put together a trade at some point like he did in '03 when he got us Ramirez, Lofton and Simon. If you remember that year, the Cubs didn't really start to turn it on until they added Lofton to the top of the order.

by bluekoolaide on Apr 5, 2008 10:15 AM CDT   0 recs

If Lou thinks...

The media stays up at night fantasizing about lineups, I wonder what he'd say if he witnessed some good ol' BCB lineup obsession/fantasizing?

"The one that invent the light tried 2,000 times and finally he did it, we have light...I don't want to spend 2,000 times to win Opening Day" Carlos Zambrano

by CubsBullsBears on Apr 5, 2008 10:26 AM CDT   0 recs

Front Loaded

Once again, let me concede, yes, it's early .... BUT,

-- the Cubs play a front-loaded schedule, 40% of our home dates in April and May

-- the Cubs finish with 16 of 25 on the road in September with the last 7 at NY for 4 and ending with 3 in Milwaukee

-- while obvious, wins now are exactly worth as much as wins in August or September.

So, getting off to a good start is ESSENTIAL for this team. A little sense of urgency and need to win today would be nice instead of "it's a long season and things will take care of themselves".

Ask the pre-season WS favorite of many Detroit Tigers about the need to begin the season strong after their 0-4 start. As was correctly noted on ESPN (sorry) yesterday, no team has ever won a WS after an 0-4 start.

The Cubs simply cannot wait until June or July to get their act together this year.

Yes, the Cubs are favored to win the division, as they should be. All that talk is nice but they still need to prove it on the field, after all, that's why they play the games.

If It Takes Forever ....

by wrigley1 on Apr 5, 2008 10:48 AM CDT   0 recs

Disappointed, but OK.

I agree with everyone that it's not time to get out on the ledge yet. This team is too good not to compete, but I have to say I am really disappointed with the way this team has started out, after all the offseason talk about the importance of a fast start. It's almost like they're starting the season with the attitude of, "Hey, it's only April. He have six months left." instead of coming out of the gate like gangbusters, as we all hoped. Hopefully today turns this whole thing around. Don't dig too deep a hole.

Another disturbing trend which seems to have carried over from last year, at least so far: if the offense does not hit the first time through the order, it's going to be slim pickings for the entire day. I can't figure this out, but it's true. If they are going to have a good day offensively, they score in the first couple of innings. If they can't score early, it's not going to be a good day offensively. Strange, and that is something they need to correct. Break out the lumber boys, and kick some Ass-tros!!

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Apr 5, 2008 10:50 AM CDT   0 recs

Al, fitting words....

...hardly time to jump off the bridge after four games. Mass hysteria seems to dominate the game threads.

"You put up with a few minor inconveniences when you live in a condemned building."

by Reverend Jim Ignatowski on Apr 5, 2008 11:00 AM CDT   0 recs

Not mass hysteria....

I still sense a lot of cautious optimism in most posts, but everything is speaking the truth when they say that a fast start is very important, and so far, we have not done that, which is disappointing. They can still do it, but you can't wait until you're 8 game out of first.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Apr 5, 2008 11:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wholeheartedly Agree

No mass hysteria, just no time like the present to play fundamentally sound baseball.

"The future's uncertain and the end is always near.", Jim Morrison, The Doors

If It Takes Forever ....

by wrigley1 on Apr 5, 2008 11:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Coaching Box /helmet Thing

I'm gonna change the subject.

I think the thing about the coaching box is interesting. Leave it to Bowa to get run over something stupid like that.

The helmets are another thing. While I think they are a good idea, we should note that it wouldn't have made a difference if Coolbaugh had been wearing a helmet, as he was hit in the neck, below the ear. The blow ruptured a blood vessel, which killed him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/minorlbb/news/story?id=2948605

The coaches are all wearing helmets without earflaps, which means that the exact same thing could happen again. The helmets don't really protect the temple, or much else, just the top of the skull.

If MLB really worried about the coaches, and umpires, protection, they would mandate wearing the hockey style catchers' masks that cover the whole head. But can you imagine the uproar if that was proposed? Maybe only ex-catchers would want to be base coaches.

As for the rest of the season, it is tough to get worked up over four games, unless those four games are a playoff series.

In the middle of a good time, Truth gave me her icy kiss. Look around, you must be joking. All that way, all that way for this -Oysterband

by Ross on Apr 5, 2008 11:09 AM CDT   0 recs

Helmets

Are just a cover-your-butt policy by MLB. Everyone knows that this isn't going to make a difference, and the Coolbaugh thing was just terrible, terrible luck. But they have to look like they're doing *something*. (For a further example, outside of baseball, see our economic 'stimulus' plan, also known as an election year bribe.)

by berselius on Apr 5, 2008 11:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Even still

Have to abide by the rules. Given that living is nice, suspension is valid.

by lamentir on Apr 6, 2008 2:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No Pie today

Lineup:

LF Soriano
CF Johnson
1B Lee
3B Ramirez
RF Dome
2B Derosa
C Soto
SS Theriot
P Marquis

by berselius on Apr 5, 2008 11:10 AM CDT   0 recs

Interesting...

Still rather see Dome 2nd though...

"The one that invent the light tried 2,000 times and finally he did it, we have light...I don't want to spend 2,000 times to win Opening Day" Carlos Zambrano

by CubsBullsBears on Apr 5, 2008 11:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

on first impression

I like the fact that TheRiot is not in the two hole

by gwood on Apr 5, 2008 11:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it's only a matter of time...

...before Fukudome is in the 2-hole. I'll guess that Lou knows sluggers like Lee and Ramirez can take a while to heat up, and he wants Fukudome in that 5-hole as an RBI man until Lee and Ramirez start getting their groove.

It may take as little as a couple games or maybe 10, I don't know.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 5, 2008 11:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

IAWTC

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 5, 2008 11:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good to see Theriot 8th

If it keeps Theriot out of the 2-hole, I'm okay with trying it. Theriot is an 8-hole hitter, so it's nice to see Loue put him where he belongs.

by John Q Freejazz on Apr 5, 2008 11:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree

Theriot is an 8 hole hitter. So, today's game aside, where do we put our other 8 hole hitter, Felix Pie, on days that both he and Theriot play?

If It Takes Forever ....

by wrigley1 on Apr 5, 2008 11:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Here's an idea

LF Soriano
2B Derosa
1B Lee
3B Ramirez
RF Dome
C Soto
CF Pie
SS Riot

or,

LF Soriano
RF Dome
1B Lee
3B Aram
C Soto
2b Derosa
CF Pie
SS Riot

by berselius on Apr 5, 2008 11:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Or I could put down a bunch more

Lou's right that we're pretty obsessed with lineup construction

by berselius on Apr 5, 2008 11:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Both Good ...

but like the 2nd option more. Dome 2nd puts more speed at up near the top and DeRosa and his high OBP hitting 6th gives Soto some protection. DeRo should have a monster year for walks too, if he hits in front of Pie all the time, at least until Felix shows he can pull his own weight at the plate.

If It Takes Forever ....

by wrigley1 on Apr 5, 2008 11:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

although

like to see Cedeno batting 8th at ss

by plenz on Apr 5, 2008 11:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cedeno

does have a better average against Oswalt in more at-bats than theriot

by gwood on Apr 5, 2008 11:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

CSNHD

Is showing a minor league game instead of Astros-Cubs. Is that because I'm going through Dish, or are other people seeing this?

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 5, 2008 12:02 PM CDT   0 recs

it's on CSN

But not CSN HD. mutter.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 5, 2008 12:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm watching

on CSN HD...but it's DirectTV.

Haiku-a-Day for Fukudome, helping Fuku understand the American game, 17 syllables at a time. Visit cubshaikus.blogspot.com!

by Bildo1805 on Apr 5, 2008 12:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

now I get audio

but no picture. Sigh.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 5, 2008 12:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's Go Cubbies

"The Cubs can't be stopped" -- Me

by lilkimmer77 on Apr 5, 2008 12:04 PM CDT   0 recs

No MLB.TV Blackout!

Watching today's game on my computer with no proxy tricks at all. IIRC, MLBAM did this for Week 1 or Week 2 last year, so this may just be a one week thing.

by Qixotl on Apr 5, 2008 12:08 PM CDT   0 recs

infield single for pence..

what he heck was marquis thinking with that throw??

by cubsnlinux on Apr 5, 2008 12:09 PM CDT   0 recs

Marquis' near-error

sums up the Cubs so far this year.

NO attention to doing things the right way.

Haiku-a-Day for Fukudome, helping Fuku understand the American game, 17 syllables at a time. Visit cubshaikus.blogspot.com!

by Bildo1805 on Apr 5, 2008 12:10 PM CDT   0 recs

Marquis

Falling behind EVERYONE

"The Cubs can't be stopped" -- Me

by lilkimmer77 on Apr 5, 2008 12:11 PM CDT   0 recs

CLee K's out...inning over

Soriano..Johnson..Lee coming up

by cubsnlinux on Apr 5, 2008 12:14 PM CDT   0 recs

welll....................

is it warm enough for Fonz?

by plenz on Apr 5, 2008 12:16 PM CDT   0 recs

How do you start whining

Before he even sees a pitch?

Haiku-a-Day for Fukudome, helping Fuku understand the American game, 17 syllables at a time. Visit cubshaikus.blogspot.com!

by Bildo1805 on Apr 5, 2008 12:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

now you can whine. soriano should be optioned to iowa

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by RightFieldSucks on Apr 5, 2008 12:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

18

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by RightFieldSucks on Apr 5, 2008 12:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Another "Quality" AB

for Fonzie .... 3 pitches.

If It Takes Forever ....

by wrigley1 on Apr 5, 2008 12:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lee Harvey...

...doesn't seem to have his good heater today.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Apr 5, 2008 12:19 PM CDT   0 recs

Come on Guys

Lets get a lead for once...

by Texas Wahoo on Apr 5, 2008 12:21 PM CDT   0 recs

man...................

we need a 3 run bomb so bad!!

by plenz on Apr 5, 2008 12:21 PM CDT   0 recs

How much weight did A-Ram lose?

Anyone hear?

Haiku-a-Day for Fukudome, helping Fuku understand the American game, 17 syllables at a time. Visit cubshaikus.blogspot.com!

by Bildo1805 on Apr 5, 2008 12:21 PM CDT   0 recs

ARam has an awesome hand to eye coordination

I just wish he doesn't swing for the fences every damn time

by cubsnlinux on Apr 5, 2008 12:22 PM CDT   0 recs

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone else having trouble with direct tvs extra innings? All my games are blacked out except for washingotn cardinals but i think i am just getting that game cause i live in North carolina. anyone else havin problems?

by Glacier on Apr 5, 2008 12:22 PM CDT   0 recs

on comcast

they aren't even showing. Thank Fox

Finally!

by Chanman25 on Apr 5, 2008 12:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

so

because of Fox i only get one game to watch on a saturday?

by Glacier on Apr 5, 2008 12:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i think so

except for night games

Finally!

by Chanman25 on Apr 5, 2008 12:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs