Open Thread: Cubs vs. Pirates, Monday 4/7, 12:35 CT
by Al on Apr 7, 2008 8:45 AM CDT
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Chicago Cubs at Pittsburgh Pirates, Apr 7, 2008 12:35 PM CDT
The Cubs travel to Pennsylvania all week -- Pittsburgh, then Philadelphia, for three-game series vs. each team. Today is the Pirates' home opener, so expect a full house. They'll have nice weather this afternoon, too (sunny and 64).
The only real information of note this morning is that if the Cubs get into a 9th-inning save situation today, it'll be Carlos Marmol instead of Kerry Wood. No, nothing's wrong with Kerry:
"We're just trying to be a little prudent," [Lou] Piniella said.
A blowout win would solve this problem, right? The Cubs' three wins have been by three runs, two runs, and one run, respectively.
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Ted Lilly was 1-0, 3.20 in three starts vs. the Pirates last year; in 19.2 IP he struck out 15, walked only three, and allowed only one HR (to Ronny Paulino in a game the Cubs won anyway).
Derrek Lee, who's hot right now, is 5-for-9 lifetime vs. Oak Lawn native Tom Gorzelanny (2 doubles and a HR). Otherwise Gorzelanny can be tough on the Cubs: 2-2, 2.60 in four lifetime starts. Expect Reed Johnson to start again in CF today, and here's a hint for Lou: start Ronny Cedeno at SS in place of the slumping Ryan Theriot. Cedeno is 4-for-7 in his career vs. Gorzelanny (one double).
I'm going to add this link to each day's game thread: the baseball-reference.com game preview, which has team and pitcher records and splits in one easy-to-read page.
TV today: WGN and FSN Pittsburgh; local radio, XM 183, and the MLB.com Mediacenter.
MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)
MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Reflections
1. Zambrano looks very strong
2. Impressed by start of Lee
3. Fukudome is worth the price of admission...an absolute delight to see him hit, field, run the bases, throw
4. Soriano is in my doghouse
5. Cedeno and Fontenot on the same bench isn't going to cut it
6. Looks like organizational faith in Pie isn't going to be as long as I would have guessed....he had better start proving semi-worth with the bat or he probably gets shipped back to Des Moines
7. Why is Ramirez throwing like that???? And will somebody get him to stop asap.
8. Love Soto, but apparently his offseason reading list included "How Not to Throw," authored by Jason Kendall
9. Milwaukee is for real
10. Don't look now but Dusty and Cincinnati all of a sudden have some VERY nice pitching
11. St. Louis is a mirage
12. I like Len Kaspar, but his call of the game has gone backwards....he picked up a case of anal retentiveness during the offseason
by MDBNIU on Apr 7, 2008 9:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we knew....
Milwaukee was good, they did just beat up on what might possibly be the worst team in baseball over the weekend....so there start is not highly unexpected.
All things great in 2008!!
by By Santo's Grace on Apr 7, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wooo
deja vu.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree on the bench
call murton up, send fontenot down. ronny can backup both short and second. we've already seen soriano play second once this year, if they get into a pinch he can always be used there. it's worth it to have a clearly superior bat on the bench.
Bill James Felix Pie 2008 Projection: .283/.333/.456 16 HR 21 SB
by kylejo on Apr 7, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
Murton's bat makes it worth it.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cedeno
I wish Ronny would see more time at SS. Theriot is OK out there, but Cedeno is obviously the more talented player of the two. I know he has his mental "shortcomings", but he swings a pretty good stick when he's not swinging at bad pitches, and he's slick out there in the field.
by rambler19 on Apr 7, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of 'ifs' for Cedeno...
I think the only thing holding Cedeno back is his head. He's more talented than Theriot. But he makes dumb mistakes. Piniella doesn't tolerate dumb mistakes from mediocre players. Theriot has a very low ceiling, but he doesn't make mental mistakes and comes close to maximizing his abilities.
I will say that if Theriot is kept to the bottom of the order then the possibility of Cedeno getting a chance becomes greater. If Piniella realizes that Theriot simply can't hit well enough at the big league level to stay near the top, then he may be realizing that Theriot is probably not an everyday player. If Theriot continues to struggle, Cedeno may get a shot.
Ultimately though, until Cedeno shows that he can hit consistently in the bigs and that he can avoid the mental errors in the field and on base. He's yet to show progress in any of those areas to date.
by SouthernCub on Apr 7, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Patterson...
has been knocking the snot out of the ball down in AAA. Give him a chance.
Hector Villanueva's Career Stolen Bases: 1
by IowaCubs- on Apr 7, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very interesting analysis.
I mostly agree.
by Fraggin Judge on Apr 7, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I strongly dislike every thing you say
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 7, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Road trip record
I know conventional wisdom says play .500 on the road but I really thing we need to take 4 of 6 on this trip. We have a little momentum with the past two games and we need to keep the Lee-Dome duo hot. Lilly needs to have a good game today to start a 4-2 road trip. Pirates have given us some problems, I hope there is no "relax" on our part today. Let's have a good one!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Apr 7, 2008 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd say you mentioned the most important thing IMO
Lilly needs to have a good game. We absolutely need to see the Lilly of last year very soon.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Apr 7, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too,
but my point was 4 of 6 is the goal and sure beats going 3-3 after we already did that on the homestand. Win today and then we look to see if we can get all 6!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Apr 7, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty good weekend of baseball...
happy to see Lee getting off to a torrid start and props to Fukedome for his seamless transition to MLB. Zambrano looks comepletely focused and hopefully Soriano starts to hit....
I am in total agreement that we need to pace Wood, so some blowouts are in order
You ARE freaking out MAN!
by crw89 on Apr 7, 2008 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on Soriano
He just hasn't looked good at all, yet. Even his solo shot yesterday was on a hanger that was about as big as a beachball.
I wish the coaches could convince him to stop pressing, stay within himself, and take good cuts and good pitches. :|
by Slim1256 on Apr 7, 2008 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I had time...
... I'd look through the comments from last April, when Soriano looked just about as bad (and got injured, too). I'm guessing I'd see quite a bit of the same kind of stuff.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 7, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The interesting part
is that statistically speaking, in terms of OBP, April is historically Soriano's best month, so maybe there is hope for him yet.
by gwood on Apr 7, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
He is 2-for-26 with one walk. BA .077, OBA .111
Let's say he goes 4-for-4 today; right away that'd bring him up to .200 BA, .226 OBA. You can move up quickly this early in the season.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 7, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true
and i hope that bears out.
His career stats for April at .309/.346/.511. His slugging either stays the same or gets better in the following months, but both his average and, more importantly, on-base percentage decline. His next best on base month is June at .338, otherwise he is at .321 or below.
by gwood on Apr 7, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But...
The PROBLEM is that a Soriano who is in a rut has a big detrimental impact on the Cub offense overall. Hacking away, not making the pitcher work, not advancing the runner, striking out....key descriptors of Soriano in one of his patented bad patches. Cubs are paying Soriano to be a catalyst and a franchise player, not someone who is a hot guess hitter for 1 week followed by 2 weeks of nothing. Go ahead and shoot his opinion down all you want.
by MDBNIU on Apr 7, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
Wow. Yesterday, the day before... guess that didn't happen...
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I pretty much agree with you completely
the even bigger problem though is that, at 32, what you see is pretty much what you're going to get with him.
by bluekoolaide on Apr 7, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is my issue.
If the guy isn;t seeing the ball all that well, then at least open your swing to move runners over. Groundballs to the right side of the IF are not the worst thing ever with men in scoring position. What ever happened to that kind of baseball?
It is about being a solid, well rounded player like Dome is. Laying down bunts, executing properly, doing what it takes to win games. He is a great example of good, hard nosed baseball IMHO.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Apr 7, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
However, Soriano is who he is. I think the Cubs well knew that when they signed him, or should have. He's VERY streaky. He'll have a month where he can carry this team. At other times, he looks awful.
This is no surprise to me.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 7, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya Al,
I tell ya though, and I know this season is only 6 games in but I said all last year, I AM one of the people who always thought we should have had CLee in LF, not Sori. I like Soriano but I see WAY more sonsistency out of Lee than Soriano.
You are most certainly correct that the Cubs knew exactly what they were getting. I do like him and know he will come around but it is this part of the season when it is easy to say things like, I always wanted CLee. I'm guilty.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Apr 7, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you.
But the fact is, we don't have CLee. So let's hope the guy we have breaks out of it soon.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 7, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree...
Soriano is who he is. And he's going to be here for the foreseeable future. We aren't going to have Carlos Lee playing LF. We aren't going to have ANYONE else playing LF. It's going to be Soriano. And it's probably going to be Soriano batting leadoff for the foreseeable future.
As such, the guy is what he is. He's a streaky hitter. He's going to hit 30+ HR. He's going to have an .800+ OPS. He's going to strike out over 125 times (probably 150). He's not going to have a .400 OBP. He may not have a .350 OBP. But for some reason, Piniella won't move him down to the #5 spot in the lineup, because both Piniella and Soriano are convinced that Soriano can't hit anywhere but leadoff.
by SouthernCub on Apr 7, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but Lee gives up a lot of his value...
...out in the field, where he's a liability at best. And Lee is going to be much more likely to just utterly tank near the end of his contract, even given that it's shorter. Pass.
by cwyers on Apr 7, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I am reading
that baseball-reference page correctly (and thank you Al for that link , it provides some great information all in one place), it looks like the Pirates as currently configured hit Lilly really well!
Could be a long day if Lilly pitches like he did in his last outing.
by gwood on Apr 7, 2008 9:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would like to
retract this comment. I was reading the information wrong
by gwood on Apr 7, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pittsburgh
The Pirates are always tough on the Cubs. And Gorzelanny is one of the better pitchers in the National League that nobody talks about.
by MDBNIU on Apr 7, 2008 9:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Right. I don't have a good feeling going into this game.
Gorzelanny handles the cubs pretty well and with lily's missing fastball...hope I'm wrong but...
by bluekoolaide on Apr 7, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call me crazy
But I'm kinda glad Johnson didn't hit anything yesterday. It didn't hurt the club, and it will make it easier for Lou to slip Felix back in the lineup the next righty we face. I'm hoping we'll see the Pie of ST emerge soon. I particularly think he'll stop pressing away from home when there's less pressure to perform in front of the home crowd.
That said, I hope Reed goes 4-4 today!
by 26.2cubsfan on Apr 7, 2008 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Crazy
Completely disagree with your logic. It's such a long season to think something like this would somehow help the team. I wish they both played well enough to challenge each other, then we'd have a good problem in CF. I do agree on Reed going 4 for 4 today though.
BCB; We have our own dictionary!
by tony412 on Apr 7, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm a bit torn myself...
I like Pie and want him to get his shot and Johnson is making things a bit hard for him and Lou I would imagine. I REALLY like Johnson, the way he plays the game, and his apparent attitude about being here in Chicago. I think we all have a real jones for CF to be solidified already. Oh, no back dated pun inteneded.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Apr 7, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 Seasons from now you Pie
Lovers will still say he didnt get a shot. HE HAS A PLATE DISCIPLINE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!! All of you Pie lovers think he will over come it with coaching and seeing more pitches. Has Soriano? NO. Pie is Soriano minus the power, swing, swing swing. 4 Ks in 15 ABs this year with 0 walks. That is not good, up and down this board for the past few years, players from Patterson to Jones have been ripped for their free swinging habits, but Pie is praised, he needs to be given a chance......Discipline could be the most difficult thing to teach a professional hitter.
Reed changes this line-up for the positive, no doubt about it.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Apr 7, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're judging off 15 at-bats?
Geez. Give the guy at least a couple months before you give up on him.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 7, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No not 15 -
192, that is his MLB ABs. he strikes out 25% of the time. Al that is not good. He only has 14 BBs!!!!!!! in 192 ABs, come on. I wish him the best, but at some point you have to realize that he is a free swinger with little to no discipline. His swing is too long for his speed, he needs to shorten it up and start seeing more pitches. I seriously want to see this guy succeed, i do, but if we are going to have Soriano in the line-up you cannot have Pie in there as well. Soriano through his career strikes out 22% of the time (walks 6% of the time). Honestly, you cannot have two gapping holes like that on a team.
The movie major league comes to mind.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Apr 7, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, that's not good.
There are free swingers who have good ML careers (we have one in left field). I think you have to give him more time before you give up.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 7, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree - and personally...
a poster below said he likes Reed coming off the bench more than Pie, i would agree with that. But honestly, i think Lou threw Reed in to see if he could get the offense sparked and rolling, i think we all know by now that this is a very streaky team offensively. Pie is great in the line-up when everyone else is hitting well (which during the week no one was except for my new man-crush Fukudome), so Pie in there is probably not going to be the best alternative, but maybe now that our guys are starting to hit a little more, Pie will find a place in the line-up.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Apr 7, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe it was me that said that about Reed off the bench.
I stand by that. All I am saying about Pie, is that we need to gove him a bit more time to either earn the starting role, or to know that he is not our long term solution. 192 ABs for the guy we have been viewing as our top talent in the system is not enough. A few hundred more ABs and we should know if it is time to move on. I don't love him, I simply love the idea of giving him a bit more evaluation before dumping him.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Apr 7, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie
I've long-stated that Felix Pie won't hit in this league. That being said the young man does deserve a suitable sample size of at bats to see what he can do against right-handed pitching. Unfortunately for him I think the Cub organization (to include Hendry and Lou) won't have a lot of patience. I originally thought he'd get at least 2 months, but now I doubt that.
by MDBNIU on Apr 7, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read my post above...
With this line-up they cannot afford to be patient. Sad but true. Spending money usually means - must win now.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Apr 7, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It won't much matter in the final analysis
Whether the Cubs stay patient or not won't impact (in my opinion) the end result. Felix Pie isn't going to hit in this league. He's yet another in a line of toolsy can't miss outfielder prospects from the Dominican who looks to me like he will miss. See Alex Escobar and Ruben Mateo for comparisons. If history is any gauge then Jim Bowden of the Washington Nationals will take a low risk flyer on Pie after he burns out as member of the Cubs.
by MDBNIU on Apr 7, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't agree more...
With our lineup construction we cannot afford to give pie an elaborate grace period. Comparing this situation with Dustin Pedroia and the BoSox is meaningless because the BoSox lineup is constructed completely differently from our lineup.
by cubsnlinux on Apr 7, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
two months
is not elaborate.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not saying that we *gave* him an elaborate grace period (though this is debatable)
I am just saying that with out line up we cannot _afford_ to give him an elaborate grace period.
by cubsnlinux on Apr 7, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WEll you played in College so this MUST BE TRUE
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 7, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You also have to realize that
Pie has the minor league track record to show that he is very capable to be a big-time ML hitter (something that C-Pat did not have). At the age of 23 and the track record he has, he needs to be playing CF darn near everyday. Thats the only way you're going to be able to accurately judge where he is/can go as a player.
Aramis Ramirez- NL MVP
Kosuke Fukudome- NL ROY
Carlos Marmol- Rolaids Relief Man
by sheamcmurray on Apr 7, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou talked about
starting Hank. Soto's doing some clinics on throwing with his hips, isn't he?
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Lou also said Soto will start again today.
Soto needs to anticipate the steal. When the runner goes the catcher should put his feet in position to throw to the base, before he catches the ball. Then he gets up while aiming the ball and throws. if he delays doing one of those things by fractions of a second, the runner likely will be safe.
Soto used to be good at doing that. It may be nervousness, as Lou said. I think it's a weight problem. A few extra pounds will make it harder to move while crouching and harder to get up. And Soto looks heavier to me at the start of the season compared to how he looked last year. I expect him to slim down as the season progresses, though.
by Fraggin Judge on Apr 7, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so
I'm just trying to figure out how to set my fantasy for the day
by miamicanes on Apr 7, 2008 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I have Lilly and Gorzelanny in my rotation.
"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome
by JohnM on Apr 7, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
See, I have a problem with playing my fantasy players that are matched up against the Cubs (I have Gorzelanny as well and won't be playing him today).
I just don't like having a player better my team at the expense of the Cubs. Then again, maybe this is why Im never any good at fantasy ; )
Aramis Ramirez- NL MVP
Kosuke Fukudome- NL ROY
Carlos Marmol- Rolaids Relief Man
by sheamcmurray on Apr 7, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edit
That was supposed to read "I have a problem with NOT playing"
Aramis Ramirez- NL MVP
Kosuke Fukudome- NL ROY
Carlos Marmol- Rolaids Relief Man
by sheamcmurray on Apr 7, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frankly, I'd be ok with a platoon
I have absolutely no problem platooning Pie and Johnson. Having one position on our team where we don't have 1 established starter isn't the end of the world, and they do both have their strengths.
Frankly, in a perfect world, I'd have Johnson start every day. However, Pie's development is one of the keys to success in the future. And I'm not only saying success in the future years, I'm saying the last months of this season. So platooning, and having the young learn from the old will only help our team.
.... Edit #3: We're gonna go 159 and 3 this year, I can feel it!!!
by Beaushek on Apr 7, 2008 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's why I do have a problem with a platoon.
johnson seems to have no problem as of yet, stepping up off the bench. pie OTOH, is the type of player who will require the 500 ABs to establish some successful track record. I cannot be sure of this but he needs the regular work IMO.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Apr 7, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do completely agree that he needs regular work...
However, he doesn't need regular work encouraging bad habits. So.... HOPEFULLY, Pie will learn from a smart (but not as talented) veteran, and use it to encourage his problems to become good habits. Then, we make him the 100% starter, and his good habits become his normal playstyle.
.... Edit #3: We're gonna go 159 and 3 this year, I can feel it!!!
by Beaushek on Apr 7, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
it should be a straight platoon, with maybe johnson facing the tough righties like he did against oswalt. pie cannot be left forgotton on the bench again like last year, the team needs to give him his chance, and his defense is good enough to warrant everday play the way the rest of the lineup is constructed.
Aramis 5 BB - 2 K, he's come close before, I'd love to see a season from a Cubs player with more walks than strikeouts.
by kylejo on Apr 7, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really think that, for Pie to be successful...
the rest of the Cubs offense will need to start to click.
If we're putting up plenty of runs, the (perceived) pressure will come off, and Pie can focus on building good habits, instead of pressing to produce.
If we're playing in one run squeakers all the time... he'll never relax and just work on stroking the ball.
by Slim1256 on Apr 7, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nicely said.
n/t
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Apr 7, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
n/t
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
by eswan9 on Apr 7, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
we really don't want a repeat of last year's horrible start, so carrying Pie and waiting for him to hit while you have Sori, The Riot and A Ram scuffling at the plate could be conducive to low run production and losses piling up.
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by BigJohnAZ on Apr 7, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoping for a sweep!
It's my birthday today! :D All I'm looking for is some old styles and a Cubbies 'W' Lets get over .500
by Lou In Blue on Apr 7, 2008 10:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Addendum
"looking for ARE some old styles and..." Too early....
by Lou In Blue on Apr 7, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happy B-Day!!!
Here's to a Cubs W, cheers!
BCB; We have our own dictionary!
by tony412 on Apr 7, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow! Happy Birthday!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 7, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see..
The Cubs salvage the homestand. They really need to start having a homefield advantage if they are serious about going deep in the playoffs this year.
It'll be nice when Howry picks it up.
Lou not immune to a stupid double switch. Sorry if this has been covered, but I wasn't on here yesterday. In Saturdays game he pulls DeRosa with the pitcher spot due up 2nd in the 8th. He brought in Marmol, fully intending to bring in Wood for the 9th. He didn't need to pull DeRosa as he could have pinch hit for Marmol anyway and used someone like Ward instead of Ronny. It worked out anyway, but still..
I'm cautiously optimistic at this point. I agree the turdbirds are a mirage, Milwaukee is for real and the Reds will be a factor..
Wood for closer.
by wicubfan on Apr 7, 2008 10:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping the Cubs can be patient today and take advantage of some walks.
Who has my 'Club Paradise' dvd?
by Keystone80435 on Apr 7, 2008 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Johnson
I like this Johnson guy. I only wish Pie could hit.
Go Cubs.
by IndyDiehard on Apr 7, 2008 11:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lou Listens to Al
Gameday has the lineups posted and Lou is listening to Al, Cedeno is playing short for Theriot. Johnson is starting in CF and hitting second. Otherwise the same.
by john62 on Apr 7, 2008 11:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Al is Deep Goat...
n/t
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Apr 7, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um.. nope.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 7, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lineups
Chi Cubs
A. Soriano lf
R. Johnson cf
D. Lee 1b
A. Ramirez 3b
K. Fukudome rf
M. DeRosa 2b
G. Soto c
R. Cedeno ss
T. Lilly p
Pittsburgh
N. McLouth cf
F. Sanchez 2b
J. Bay lf
R. Doumit c
X. Nady rf
D. Mientkiewicz 1b
J. Bautista 3b
L. Rivas ss
T. Gorzelanny p
by Swanny1981 on Apr 7, 2008 11:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Smart move, Lou.
Sitting will do Theriot some good. And for all of you who are ready to give up on Pie for the Great Goateed Savior Reed Johnson, Johnson looked bad yesterday too. He did nothing! TRADE HIM!!!!
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Apr 7, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I reallly think that
Cedeno is a better choice at SS than theriot.
by xene on Apr 7, 2008 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good gravy
That's like saying Neifi Perez is a better choice than Jose Macias.
by MDBNIU on Apr 7, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not even close
n/t
Aramis Ramirez- NL MVP
Kosuke Fukudome- NL ROY
Carlos Marmol- Rolaids Relief Man
by sheamcmurray on Apr 7, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MMMM......gravy.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 7, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On que, Shecky chirps in...
Give me a drum and cymbal hit !! You're a lovely audience!! I'll be playing the rest of the week at the Ramada Inn Airport in the Purple Pussycat Lounge!!!
by MDBNIU on Apr 7, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Now that's just funny.
"Sometimes an intelligent man is forced to be drunk in order to spend time with fools." -Hemmingway
by IndyDiehard on Apr 7, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think Cedeno is a better choice too. I noted above that Cedeno might not be as mature mentally as Theriot, but his skill set is obviously superior to Theriot's in just about every aspect. Plus, I'm getting sick of watching Theriot ground out weakly to middle infielders.
by rambler19 on Apr 7, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well thats just my opinion
i guess. and it has nothing to do with the fact that ronny is my cousin.
by xene on Apr 7, 2008 11:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wild guess
Jack Wilson is member of the Chicago Cubs by June 1st.
by MDBNIU on Apr 7, 2008 11:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you mean Jack Wilson
who's currently on the DL?
by philadelphiacub on Apr 7, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh you mean this guy
with a crappy career line?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wilsoja02.shtml
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 7, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bite...
Who do you propose we give up for him and why?
by Tangled Up In Blue on Apr 7, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a thirty year old shortstop
who has only hit over .300 once, lifetime .268, and is batting .083 right now?
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if you're going to be that way about it....
I haven't yet come up with a plausible means for the Cubs to acquire Derek Jeter for a bag of magic beans. Or in other words, the likely "pricetag" it would take to relieve Pittsburgh of Jack Wilson and his contract. Last time I checked shortstop was a pretty important position. You kinda sorta need one if you intend on being a playoff caliber team.
by MDBNIU on Apr 7, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he's not very good...
He's really not a substantive upgrade over what we have now. We had a guy who was pretty similar to Wilson last year in Cesar Izturis. The team quickly moved away from Izturis, and they'd quickly realize that Wilson is a mistake too.
I agree with you that SS is a problem. But bringing in Wilson doesn't remotely address the problem. It just puts a new name in the position that isn't very good. Same problem, different name. Making a move simply to make a move is dumb.
by SouthernCub on Apr 7, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But see, MDBNIU (BlueMike)
has a love history with used up old SS's. He told us last year that Cesar Izturis would absolutely be the savior for this team.
by sue369 on Apr 7, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he was!
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Apr 7, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am going to be that way about it
because moves to improve the team should, you know IMPROVE THE TEAM.
Bringing in Reed Johnson has turned out to be an EXCELLENT move, but we knew it was a good one when it happened.
You fail to demonstrate why this would be a good move.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack Wilson
I just don't see how he would help our team. We have an over abudance of middle infielders, so unless Theriot, Cedeno, Patterson, or Fontenot we involved in the deal, what's the piont. Giving up pitching for Jack Wilson makes no sense either. He wouldn't make this team better at all.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Apr 7, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, FWIW...
... Wilson is currently on the DL.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 7, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And a bad offensive baseball player
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 7, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack Wilson...
had one good year...just in time for a substantial raise. He then promptly batted .257 in 2004...No thank you...I'll pass.
Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Apr 7, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Id only do it
I'd only do it if it was for some mid level minor league talent.
We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 7, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack Wilson
What order is he arriving with Brian Roberts and Coco Crisp?
On the Cedeno/Theriot debate I say go with Ronny because he's better at D.
I also like the idea of Theriot coming off the bench more because of his speed.
We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 7, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack Wilson
Helps us more with every start he makes against us as the Pirates shortstop
by berselius on Apr 7, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing
Amazing how many people are rooting against Pie. Everyone calling him a bust at this point is because they want to be right and crow about it.
Nobody who knows the game thinks not even 200 ABS is enough to judge a player.
Which is why people who say fans should influence decisions are crazy.
The day Hendry or Pinella make any decision because of fans' influence is the day they should be fired.
We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 7, 2008 12:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Whole heartedly agree
Pie has a lot of promise. He needs to be given a reasonable (200 career at-bats is NOT reasonable) opportunity to show whether or not that promise will show up on the major league level. Pie has talent and a willingness to learn, he will be fine!
by gwood on Apr 7, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie
I have a feeling in a year or two we're going to be thanking God for Hendry's patience.
Even though I agree that if Pie continues to struggle Johnson deserves a bigger look. But 6 games in is not enough time.
The biggest Chicago sports example of why a coach should go with his own judgement not demands of fans if Lovie listens to the fans the Bears lose in the playoffs with Griese instead of going to the Super Bowl with Grossman. Griese does not beat the Seahawks.
We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 7, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sandberg once said about Corey Patterson
He's going to have to learn to make contact if he wants to keep playing in this league.
Big strikeout low OBP guys in the outfield are only valuable offensively if they have prodigious power. Pie does not have prodigious power. He's speed is wasted because he can't steal first base. His minor league numbers were good, except if you looked at the "peripherals", such as strikeouts and bases on balls. These were awful. He does deserve playing time but there are so many holes in his swing it's ridiculous. I think unless he makes drastic changes to his swing, for starters, I have pretty much no hope that he can do anything with the bat. I saw him in the Dominican and it was the same thing. He has many at bats there and I think he pretty much stayed the same (i.e., I saw no adjustments).
What reason do I have to believe that he will learn to make contact? That is probably the hardest thing for any hitter. When people talk about the 5 tools they forget about making contact, which to me is a very important tool as a hitter. Like I said, if he had prodigious power he could be a Soriano type. But he doesn't. So what are you left with?
Corey Patterson.
Till will tell. And if Pie can contribute it would be awesome for the Cubs. However, nobody has yet to make a reasonable argument as to how he can overcome the gran canyon sized holes in his swing. To me, either he changes his swing drastically or history will repeat itself. Finally, the worst thing about it is that Pie's weakness (lack of plate discipline and OBP skills) is this team's biggest weakness. Hendry should have thought better than to construct a lineup with both Pie and Soriano in it. It just doesn't work.
by Luis on Apr 7, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outstanding post
Nice job capturing the essence of the dilemma.
by MDBNIU on Apr 7, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember that
Speed also = extra doubles = more slugging...not that we see this with prototypical 'speedy' guys like Theriot and Pierre. One of the reasons why I like Soriano in the leadoff spot *slightly* better than Theriot (if you're going to bat them 1-2) is that at least you expect him to get into scoring position fairly often without the uncertainty of the the stolen base.
That said, Soriano is more of a homers guy, so he should be batting in the heart of the lineup anyway.
by berselius on Apr 7, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A club
Can we start a club of players who were supposedly headed to the Cubs where the trade discussions were obviously made up or exaggerated by our media?
We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 7, 2008 12:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The time of the Great Destroyer has come!
Oh holy crap, Ronny Cedeno is starting at shortstop.
Some (probably unwanted) advice to Lou: if somehow Ronny gets on base, that is not the opportunity you always hoped and dreamed of to try the hit and run. Or the stolen base. Just saying.
by cwyers on Apr 7, 2008 12:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The difference between you and I...
...is that I suspect I am quite a bit more pleased with this than you are. I just respect that there are some (rather severe) limitations to Ronny Cedeno.
by cwyers on Apr 7, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rotfl
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Pie bashers are right
If 6 games is enough of a sample size to judge a player Tuffy Rhodes must be in Cooperstown. Funny I missed his plaque when I went out for Ryno's induction.
We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 7, 2008 12:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Seeing as how Ronny's playing today
can we keep the CEDENO!!! to a minimum. Or, at least, to when it's appropriate...
You don't snipe in Carrington!
by neverAcquiesce on Apr 7, 2008 12:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On the knee jerking subject
On the subject of knee jerking when is the first post going to come that Hoffpauir's hot spring is the reason for Lee's performance so far as some here opined that Lee would be pushed by Hoffpauir?
We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Apr 7, 2008 12:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love
listening to Ron and Pat talk. It's like two old guys sitting on a porch, talkin' about those damn kids...
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 12:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Be grateful !
At least Ron understands that we are in Pittsburgh today. There's hope for today !!
by MDBNIU on Apr 7, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WGN TV
Is anyone else watching WGN(superstation) but hearing Pat and Ron on the TV?
by stadiumguru on Apr 7, 2008 12:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
now we have
radio commercials with the tv feed from the park
by stadiumguru on Apr 7, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but
WGN-HD is also having some audio issues. The audio is about 2 seconds behind the video, and very muffled sounding.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. -- Dave Barry
by bluebythebook on Apr 7, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get WGN-HD
Do you know if that's only local?
by McRipper on Apr 7, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno either
I'm in the Region, with Comcast cable, watching channel 192. Comcast provides the HD feed for all the games this season, even those on WGN.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. -- Dave Barry
by bluebythebook on Apr 7, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That explains it
I'm not in the region and I only get WGN, not CSN. Thanks.
by McRipper on Apr 7, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm..
Was anyone else hearing Pat & the radio broadcast on WGN-TV
by MillsChC on Apr 7, 2008 12:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm in Chicago watching the HD feed on Comcast.
And Len & Bob's lip-sync is off.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 7, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whats up with that?
I have voice sync problems alll the time on HD channels
Who has my 'Club Paradise' dvd?
by Keystone80435 on Apr 7, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Len and Bob are working
on their 3rd Philly Steak Sandwich
BCB; We have our own dictionary!
by tony412 on Apr 7, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
The audio board in WGN's truck must've fried..
by MillsChC on Apr 7, 2008 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey everyone!
This is the first game thread I've been able to watch in person this year in the new format, since I've been at all the other games (or somewhere else during some of the ST games).
Looks good and I love the autorefresh. Just one reminder, please: try NOT to post LARGE photos in this thread. That will make it load faster. (Small photos are OK)
Thanks.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 7, 2008 12:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And more about those photos...
... this ONLY applies to game threads... because there are so many comments.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 7, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's a term for that
You have entered the NLPATT Zone
BCB; We have our own dictionary!
by tony412 on Apr 7, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Len and Bob
are back...it sounds like they are from a phone or something
by stadiumguru on Apr 7, 2008 12:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now it sounds like Bob & Len are broadcasting over a phone
Didn't Chip & Stoney have to do that a coupla times in the past?
by MillsChC on Apr 7, 2008 12:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pat and Ron
have done it a few times I think...I know Pat's told stories about basically calling from the ballpark to the studio in Chicago for a 3 hr + broadcast
by stadiumguru on Apr 7, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well this just sounds ridiculous.
Why wouldn't they just let Pat and Ron do it until they fix Len and Bob's audio?
It's gotta be the shoes, folks, it's gotta be the shoes...
by Schwa on Apr 7, 2008 12:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
advertisements
they would be off, and against the contracts, making companies unhappy
by stadiumguru on Apr 7, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GAH!
Blue jerseys again. Yuck.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 7, 2008 12:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If it gets a win though...
You don't snipe in Carrington!
by neverAcquiesce on Apr 7, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least they're not wearing vests
"trimmed in gold"... And now, on the fashion walk...
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do
the starting pitchers choose on the road as well as home? I seem to remember Lilly wearing gray a lot last year...
Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Apr 7, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure...
they ALL wore gray last year.
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Apr 7, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doug Mientiewicz !!
The Neifi Perez of 1st baseman. How does this guy keep finding employment? Other than a good glove he is deliriously awful.
by MDBNIU on Apr 7, 2008 12:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did you play college ball with him?
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 7, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ROTFL
Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Apr 7, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The audio is also ahead...
if you listen closely you can hear the ball hit before you see it. Frustrating...
It's gotta be the shoes, folks, it's gotta be the shoes...
by Schwa on Apr 7, 2008 12:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Soriano
hit a nice pitching wedge...wassup with the audio?
"I lost it in the sun"
by Bump Bailey on Apr 7, 2008 12:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Johnson
walks
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 12:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Does Pie
Draw that walk?
I've told you a million times never to exaggerate!!
by pscrblazer on Apr 7, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he walked more than once
in ST.
Don't know. On the other hand, maybe he gets a pitch he hits out of the park.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like our old first baseman.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 7, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Pie.
chocolate, rhubarb, Felix...
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Lee.
The General, Albert, Derrek...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 7, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oooh, I like
that hit and run!
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Johnson.
oh wait... nevermind.
by Great Odin's Raven on Apr 7, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you like his brats? :P
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's an adequate hitter...
Especially against lefties. He's not that great in the field. That's the tradeoff. I think he's perfect to platoon with Pie. But he's not a solution. Ultimately, either Pie will learn to hit at the big league level, or we'll have to look outside the organization for a CF.
by SouthernCub on Apr 7, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Audio is back!
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 7, 2008 12:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Only on the HD feed.
Those of us who suffer with Charter and don't get WGNHD are still listening to a 3 way call between Len, Bob and our TV's.
It's gotta be the shoes, folks, it's gotta be the shoes...
by Schwa on Apr 7, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eeks!
That stinks.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. -- Dave Barry
by bluebythebook on Apr 7, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yay Charter!
I assume you are Madison? We should do a Madison-Cubs thing sometime, I know there are plenty of us stuck up here. I should probably study for Anthro as well, though this is a nice distraction
by stadiumguru on Apr 7, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hated anthro.
Stayin' home watching the game is much more fun than going to class, so that's what I'm doing today.
It's gotta be the shoes, folks, it's gotta be the shoes...
by Schwa on Apr 7, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anthro 100 exam
T minus 5 hrs 10 minutes.
by stadiumguru on Apr 7, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a terrible AB for soriano
didn't swing at balls, made solid contact....it's a good sign in my book
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by RightFieldSucks on Apr 7, 2008 12:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really?
didn't swing at balls
What do you call the ball he popped out on?
It's gotta be the shoes, folks, it's gotta be the shoes...
by Schwa on Apr 7, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i missed that one....just looked at it on gameday
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by RightFieldSucks on Apr 7, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schwa...you from Glenview?
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 7, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope... Why?
n/t
It's gotta be the shoes, folks, it's gotta be the shoes...
by Schwa on Apr 7, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curious, knew a guy with that nickname
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 7, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaaand it's fixed
Audio and video are back in sync on the HD feed.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. -- Dave Barry
by bluebythebook on Apr 7, 2008 12:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Still muffled & delayed...
on the Superstation non-HD feed in the bot 1st.
by MillsChC on Apr 7, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I'm trapped at work...
no WGN TV, too far away to get WGN radio, and Gameday apparently is enough of a security risk to be blocked by my work firewall. So I'm completely dependent on you guys! If the game's not going well... just make it up a good version.
by Great Odin's Raven on Apr 7, 2008 12:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
does this work...
by seang03 on Apr 7, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
they blocked all our sports sites because of the NCAA tournament. Odds are they won't turn them back on either. I'm able to use USA Today's updating box score, but it updates every two minutes.
by Great Odin's Raven on Apr 7, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st and 3rd
Who has my 'Club Paradise' dvd?
by Keystone80435 on Apr 7, 2008 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
D-Lee on fire!
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on Apr 7, 2008 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nice hustle johnson
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by RightFieldSucks on Apr 7, 2008 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
how does ramirez only have 11 ABs against gorzelany?
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by RightFieldSucks on Apr 7, 2008 12:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because he has only batted against him 11 times
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 7, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your logic ties me up and rapes me.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 7, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do Do Do, Da Da Da Da
is all I've got to say to you....
by Tangled Up In Blue on Apr 7, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's sooooo zen, dude...
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice AB by Lee...workman like..
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.
by JB 23 on Apr 7, 2008 12:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody able to give a makeshift play-by-play?
by Great Odin's Raven on Apr 7, 2008 12:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or you could call up Len and Bob
They'll just add you to the phone call
by AC 00 00 00 on Apr 7, 2008 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL....
I've always dreamed of a 3-way with Len and ......wait...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 7, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
These new wipes* on WGN
look like some kind of static interference than a visual indication of switching to a replay.
* They are called wipes, right?
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. -- Dave Barry
by bluebythebook on Apr 7, 2008 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that was ball 4
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by RightFieldSucks on Apr 7, 2008 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No it wasnt it was DP
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 7, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no i meant the pitch before he fouled off
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by RightFieldSucks on Apr 7, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ramirez
grounds into the DP. Inning over.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That was clear. Thanks.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on Apr 7, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out-squared....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 7, 2008 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Discombobulated" per Len, 6-4-3 DP
Lee and Rami out, on to the bottom of the first.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. -- Dave Barry
by bluebythebook on Apr 7, 2008 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
6-4-3 DP.....Ramirez is slooowww
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by RightFieldSucks on Apr 7, 2008 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Better platoon him
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 7, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
slower than
Chug Chug Soto? :D
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what?
He chugs in a demonstrably dreamy fashion...
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Ram is really slow...
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.
by JB 23 on Apr 7, 2008 12:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ramirez?
He's a 7.576 on the Theriot Scale...
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a lot lighter on the scale than last year, but still slow
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by RightFieldSucks on Apr 7, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only white guys can be scrappy....;)
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.
by JB 23 on Apr 7, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you telling me
Reggie Jackson wasn't scrappy?
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true...the scrappiest of all was Phil Garner aka Scrap Iron....
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.
by JB 23 on Apr 7, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Willie Randolph was pretty scrappy too.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stating the obvious..
but what a wasted opportunity....and man is ARam slow!
"I lost it in the sun"
by Bump Bailey on Apr 7, 2008 12:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Uncle Ted
gives up a single. First pitch, I think.
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 12:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
second pitch, actually.
Oh well.
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by bluebythebook on Apr 7, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love
THEIR centerfielder!!
"I lost it in the sun"
by Bump Bailey on Apr 7, 2008 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lilly starts with a strike
and then gives Pitts a single. No outs.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. -- Dave Barry
by bluebythebook on Apr 7, 2008 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I bet
Mclouth steals second...
"I lost it in the sun"
by Bump Bailey on Apr 7, 2008 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
successful pickoff at 2nd
1 out.
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by bluebythebook on Apr 7, 2008 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Never mind...
never been thrown out by a catcher?? did i hear right?
"I lost it in the sun"
by Bump Bailey on Apr 7, 2008 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gameday says Pitcher-First-SS
So a pickoff
Aramis Ramirez- NL MVP
Kosuke Fukudome- NL ROY
Carlos Marmol- Rolaids Relief Man
by sheamcmurray on Apr 7, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
scrappy
smart too..
"I lost it in the sun"
by Bump Bailey on Apr 7, 2008 12:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
swinging third strike
2 outs
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by bluebythebook on Apr 7, 2008 12:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
infield
single.
I'm off, but I'll catch up when I returnz.
GO CUBS!
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by drewishdrewid on Apr 7, 2008 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
inf single for bay
"I lost it in the sun"
by Bump Bailey on Apr 7, 2008 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bay on 1st with infield single
2nd hit of inning, still 2 outs
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by bluebythebook on Apr 7, 2008 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ramirez
Ramirez lost his arm along with his hair. What's with his throws?!?! Does he have an injury?!?!
by MDBNIU on Apr 7, 2008 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
at least he is giving it the old "college" try
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"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 7, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're killing me with these, Hammer! hahaha
Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager
by northsider on Apr 7, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
end of 1
no score
"I lost it in the sun"
by Bump Bailey on Apr 7, 2008 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe should have Dome 3rd and Lee cleanup?
While Ramirez is cold, he's killing the Cubs having him bat between Lee and Dome
Wood for closer.
by wicubfan on Apr 7, 2008 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lee catches a foul ball
for the third out, onto the second
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by bluebythebook on Apr 7, 2008 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else a little worried about Theodore?
His stuff looks flat
by fischisgod on Apr 7, 2008 12:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
DeRo doubles
1 out still
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by bluebythebook on Apr 7, 2008 1:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
DeRo takes third on a wild pitch
n/t
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by bluebythebook on Apr 7, 2008 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ron Santo
"Speaking of checkers"
shakes head and walks away laughing
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"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Apr 7, 2008 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For those of you using MLB.tv
Firstly, is it possible to have the video feed, but use the wgn radio feed instead of the video sound (pittsburgh announcers are terrible)?
Secondly, has anyone gotten the 1.2M feed to work? The NextDef plugin won't install for me.
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by RightFieldSucks on Apr 7, 2008 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You'd have to use two different browsers
and I'm not sure if the audio would be synced.
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by Al on Apr 7, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
does not sync -- but it's not too far off
I use firefox to watch & explorer to listen to Pat & Ron.
If the Cubs were an international soccer team they'd be called Scotland.
by mrtobby on Apr 7, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It installed fine for me...
but everytime I've tried to watch a 1.2 feed...I just get the "Your request is being processed" screen and it never goes away.
by MillsChC on Apr 7, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Base hit Soto, RBI, 1-0 Cubs
n/t
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by Al on Apr 7, 2008 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good to see DeRo go oppo
I still think he's pressing a bit. His best ABs have come with the bases empty. Oh, for Lou batting him leadoff...
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by DeRoMyHero on Apr 7, 2008 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Audio is back on non-HD!!!
n/t
It's gotta be the shoes, folks, it's gotta be the shoes...
by Schwa on Apr 7, 2008 1:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CEDENO!!! is batting
n/t
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by bluebythebook on Apr 7, 2008 1:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Force play.
n/t
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by Al on Apr 7, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CEDENO!! looks no better than theriot
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by RightFieldSucks on Apr 7, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and no worse..:)
n/t
Wood for closer.
by wicubfan on Apr 7, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fielders Choice
Soto out at 2nd Cedeno to first
6-4-3
by fischisgod on Apr 7, 2008 1:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lilly at the plate, 1-2 2 outs
n/t
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by bluebythebook on Apr 7, 2008 1:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lilly strikes out
And now he's back to the mound.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. -- Dave Barry
by bluebythebook on Apr 7, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gorzelanny has thrown a lot of pitches
Usually this is something the Cubs have done to them, but the Cubs are working the count and Gorzelanny has thrown 45 pitches through 2.
by john62 on Apr 7, 2008 1:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs