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Home Plate Umpires

Was it just me, or was Alfonso Marquez extemely inconsistent in his calls yesterday? I am in no way, shape or form blaming him for the crazy game yesterday but it just seemed like he had no standards for his balls and strikes in fact it almost seems like the same pitches that were strikes one inning were balls the very next.....no wonder D. Lee got so pissed at him.....let me hear what you think

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Agree!

I think the D-Lee backwards K was a perfect example of how inconsistent Marquez was. I would be fine with him calling that a strike but a few pitches later he called the same pitch a ball while Ramirez was at the plate. It's fine if your zone is big or small, as long as it's consistently big or small.

by slumpbuster17 on Apr 8, 2008 11:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

zone was huge...

I don't know how much Lee could have done with that pitch even if he swung at it

by cubsmania on Apr 8, 2008 11:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

makes me look forward to the day when they replace

human umpires with computers that can call balls and strikes.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Apr 8, 2008 11:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

...please tell me that was sarcasm

by slumpbuster17 on Apr 8, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then Id be out of my summer job

Im not willing to give up 70 bucks a game. Plus this is baseball not Nintendo

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 8, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure your summer job won't be in jeopardy for years

The technology and equipment needed to run such a system would make it severely cost prohibitive to anyone beyond the majors. I, for one, am sick of watching games that are affected by terrible umpires. I'm not saying all umps are bad, but, especially when it comes to balls and strikes, I'd love to see much greater uniformity. Unfortunately, MLB has not done a very good job of enforcing such. At least when I play baseball on my XBox I know that any pitch in the strike zone will be called a strike and any pitch outside of the zone will be called a ball.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Apr 8, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to disagree

but I think the umpires do a tremendous job, if I were to compare to the other sports they are the tops in their profession.

This system you speak of, IMO, will NEVER EVER HAPPEN. They wont even replay homers yet.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 8, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not always...

I get squeezed sometimes on MLB 08 The Show...

"The one that invent the light tried 2,000 times and finally he did it, we have light...I don't want to spend 2,000 times to win Opening Day" Carlos Zambrano

by CubsBullsBears on Apr 8, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad calls and inconsistent strike zones are part of the game, it wouldn't be baseball without them. I think it's fun to watch a guy like Maddux on the mound, and watch him toy with an umpire because he is a veteran and will get a few extra inches on either side of the plate. If MLB would ever (a long time down the road) use "robo-umps" they would be totally taking away from the tradition and history of the game.

by slumpbuster17 on Apr 8, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baseball is a game of 9 players vs. 9 players

The umpires are not supposed to be active participants. They are only supposed to be arbitrators. Same is true for any sport. Refusing to evolve because of clinging to "tradition" is what has largely kept baseball from being able to challenge NFL for sports supremacy in this country.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Apr 8, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WRONG

"Refusing to evolve because of clinging to "tradition" is what has largely kept baseball from being able to challenge NFL for sports supremacy in this country."

This is hilairous. Heres a guesstimate, if you asked 1,000,000 NFL and MLB fans less than 5 would say the reason the NFL is tops in this country is hilarious.

How has football evolved more? By making us watch more Pepsi/Bud commercials for 5 minutes when the ref is "reviewing the play"

Football is played primarily on Sunday whereas baseball is played nearly every day. Its a lot easier for people to watch football.........

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 8, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW

The refs in football are active participants, IMO, they are more into the game then umpires, Refs are running up and down the field and are between linebackers--

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 8, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Football regularly tweaks the game

NFL had replay, it didn't work, they got rid of it, that didn't work, so they fixed the previous system and brought back replay. (The commercial breaks for replays are no different than the ridiculous and numerous breaks for changing pitchers late in the game) Every year, the NFL's Competition Committee is making changes to enhance the product on the field. MLB has a grand tradition of being very slow to make similar changes. I highly recommend the book "Veeck as in Wreck" to get a feel for this. Bill Veeck dared to try to sell the game and offer ideas to improve it. He was met time and time again with scorn and disdain from his fellow owners. Many of his ideas have since been incorporated, 30, 40, 50 years later. MLB continues at that glacial pace. I certainly agree that the nature of the NLF schedule greatly benefits the sport. At the same time, I don't see that there should be such as wide a disparity as currently exists between the popularity of MLB and NFL.

As to the use of "active participants," I was not referring to physical contributions. My meaning was to be that umpires and referees should have, ideally, no impact on the outcome of a game. I'm sure as an umpire, your goal is to call them as you see them and let the teams decide the outcome. That's what I expect from an umpire or referee. When I say I want to eventually see automated ball and strike calling, it's because I would love to see the margin for error diminished to as close to a level of zero as possible. As good as professional umpires and referees are, none are going to get every call right.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Apr 8, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very good argument

But my point is that the fact MLB hasnt tweaked is not the reason the NFL is more popular

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 8, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With that I agree. The NFL has a lot of advantages over MLB.

I think there are changes that could be made, though, to make the game go more quickly which would enhance the sport's popularity. Not sure of your stance on sabermetrics, but Bill James makes some great suggestions in one of his books, The Bill James New Historical Abstract. If you've never read any of James's work, while he's known for numbers, the man has a great grasp on baseball history and a knack for retelling the numerous, wonderful stories that litter baseball's history.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Apr 8, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO

the only reasons the NFL may be more popular that baseball is this country's short attention span and propensity towards violence.

by gwood on Apr 8, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NFL has sports supremacy?

Based on what?

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 8, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Solely on popularity and relevancy in current popular culture

Baseball, clearly, is the better sport.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Apr 8, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My own personal preference. Totally subjective and could never be based on anything but opinion.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Apr 9, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

There are too many umpires that have inconsistent strike zones.

by McRipper on Apr 8, 2008 11:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

19 BBs is Little League

umpiring on the part of Marquez. OTOH, calling for computer-based balls and strikes is flamebait.

by santo4hof on Apr 8, 2008 11:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why?

If the computer can do it better than the human umpire, why not?

It would be one thing if human umpires were good at calling balls and strikes, but - well, did you ever wonder where the high strike zone went? They don't even pretend to call a regulation strike zone these days.

by cwyers on Apr 8, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Provided

it is within reason, I don't care where the strike zone is, so long as it is consistent, or reasonably so.

I have wondered where the high strike has gone. The vertical limits of the strike zone seems to go from just above the belt to just below the knees

by gwood on Apr 8, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

the thing that really gets to me is the allmost automatic 3-0 strike call like the one to soto. it was even worse after the control problems in the 12th. didnt cost us yesterday but it has certainly changed outcomes before and will again

by bsm9 on Apr 8, 2008 12:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

For what it's worth...

My dad and brothers snuck into good seats behind home plate at U.S. Cellular several years ago, back when no one went to their games. We were right next to the tunnel behind home plate, which is no longer there - replaced by those expensive box seats. Anyway, the umpires came through the tunnel and we said hi, and they were very nice and polite, talked to us for a few minutes right before the game, and the home plate umpire that day was Alfonso Marquez. My brother got his autograph! I've always remembered that, so it's too bad about how the game went yesterday.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on Apr 8, 2008 12:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well

If he wasnt good enough theyd get rid of him. He had a tough day but so did everyone else.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 8, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't count on that.

The only union that does a better job of protecting it's constituents from performance review is the teachers' union. Even many of the umps who were fired when they tried to strike a couple years ago have been retained.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on Apr 8, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Retained

most likely because they are so good at what they do.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 8, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're telling me

people go to watch the white sox play?

by gwood on Apr 8, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we need

Robotic umps, but definetly a better system for calling balls and strikes, I know this is a bit extreme but what if they had the ump watching from a booth with cc tv? You can't convince me that he is getting a good vantage point from behind the catcher and batter. Of course this creates a problem for plays at the plate though

"We Are Not Fair Weather But Foul Weather Fans, Brothers In Arms In Streets and The Stands." -Eddie Vedder, Someday We'll Go All The Way

by ryanbrixenivy on Apr 8, 2008 1:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ive umped for 14 years

The best vantage point is directly behind the catcher. Put him in a booth? Does he call plays at the plate from there too?

Robo umps will NEVER HAPPEN

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Apr 8, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed!

There is no camera angle that comes from directly behind the pitcher, so, unless a camera were installed on the downhill side of the mound, the best vantage point will always be from behind the catcher, as Hammer said.

by gwood on Apr 8, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Camera

I would have to disagree, only in that I feel we who are watching the game at home even have a better view of the plate than the ump, especially with the (not to name drop) the southwest plane view camera that shows an aerial view of the top of the plate. But again I am not calling for robo umps because I feel that would take away from the purity of the game.

"We Are Not Fair Weather But Foul Weather Fans, Brothers In Arms In Streets and The Stands." -Eddie Vedder, Someday We'll Go All The Way

by ryanbrixenivy on Apr 8, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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