Hello Soto
Raise your hand if you still think there's something wrong with Geovany Soto.
Just as I thought -- no hands raised. Soto smashed two home runs last night. But look at this photo for people raising their hands for Soto for the right reason -- here's what our section looked like after the first one landed just a few rows below us (yes, that's us in the top row, me bundled against the cold in a blue coat, behind BCB reader ballstitch, in a burgundy Florida State sweatshirt, arm raised):
Soto's two HR and six RBI, both career highs, led a 17-hit, nine-walk attack (eight of the nine walks coming from the fifth through the eighth inning) and the Cubs demolished the Brewers 19-5, the most runs the Cubs have scored in almost exactly seven years, since May 5, 2001, when the Cubs took a garden-variety 4-1 lead into the seventh and then scored eight runs in consecutive innings and smashed the Dodgers 20-1.
Balls were really jumping out of the yard during batting practice, many sailing over our heads. So since my friend Sue showed up last night, and she likes to organize Home Run Derby in our section, we played. BCB reader ballstitch sat with us along with a friend of his, and the friend had Soto in the pool. He was in the men's room when Soto hit his second HR in the fourth, and when he returned we didn't say a word until he asked, "Did Soto hit another HR?" First, I said, "You have to be present to win", and then we all paid up.
It was that kind of fun night both for fans and players. The game was pretty much over in the first inning, when the Cubs sent ten men to the plate and scored six runs, smacking singles and doubles all over the place -- you don't have to hit only three-run homers to score tons of runs -- and Ryan Dempster, who had a single himself in that six-run first, threw well enough to win with that kind of offensive onslaught, although he labored in later innings, throwing 108 pitches in six innings and issuing five walks. His command and control are going to have to get better to continue to win, because obviously, the Cubs aren't going to score this many runs every day.
It's fun when they do, though, isn't it? Leading 13-5 in the 8th, the Cubs piled on Brewers reliever Derrick Turnbow, who had absolutely nothing last night -- he gave up four hits and four walks, and was charged with six runs, making his ERA an unsightly 15.63 (Jeff Suppan, the Brewer starter, allowed eight earned runs; his ERA, 3.48 at gametime, jumped to 5.19). Ryan Theriot got a RBI with a bases-loaded walk, and then Ronny Cedeno came up with the chance to hit his second grand slam of the month. (Read that again; would you have believed a phrase like that a year ago?)
He nearly got it, too; his bases-clearing double hit off the right-center field wall. It got so bad that Ned Yost, who had clearly wanted to save his 2,756 relievers for another day and wanted Turnbow to finish the inning, had to yank him after 43 (!) pitches and finish the inning with lefty Mitch Stetter.
Discordant note: Bob Howry, put in the game with a 13-3 lead to work out some of his early-season troubles, instead raised his own ERA to 8.10 by allowing a two-run HR to Brewers backup catcher Mike Rivera, who came into the game at 1B after Yost cleared his bench. Lou Piniella did so too, wisely giving Derrek Lee, Aramis Ramirez, Kosuke Fukudome and Soto some rest and giving all five of his bench position players some playing time. In the 8th inning, pinch-hitter Mike Fontenot nearly got to bat a second time.
So the Cubs finish April with a 17-10 record; the 17 wins is the most ever for a Cub team in the month of April, though that record is a bit misleading -- teams play so many more games now in April than they did years ago. The previous record, 16, set in 1969, was posted in 23 games (16-7). The 27 games played since March 31 is exactly one-sixth of the season; match the 17-10 record, not an unreasonable thing to do, five more times and you will wind up 102-60. I'm not saying the Cubs will do this, or that it would be easy to do this, only that it is possible.
Derrek Lee tied the team record for HR in April, eight, originally set by Lee Walls in 1958. The 1958 Cubs played only 13 games in April -- and Walls hit his eight in an eight-day, seven-game stretch, as follows:
4/23: 1 4/24: 3 4/25: 0 4/26: 1 4/27: 0 4/28: off day 4/29: 2 4/30: 1
And for the kicker: all eight were hit on the road, in the new major league cities of Los Angeles and San Francisco. Walls hit 24 HR in 1958, never more than 11 in any other season, sort of the Tuffy Rhodes of his era.
Enjoy these -- they don't come around very often. We spotted "Friggin' Hot Dog Vendor" again last night and this time decided to buy some from him -- they were friggin' good. Also thanks to BCB reader cubsonWGN4ever, who stopped by to say hi last night. With Carlos Zambrano going this afternoon, the Cubs are in good position to win the series -- and then say goodbye to the Brewers for almost three months, because they won't meet them until the last week of July at Miller Park, and not again at Wrigley until mid-September. Today's game thread will be up at 11 am CDT.
More photos from last night:
Derrek Lee slides into second on his first-inning double
This Felix Pie AB resulted in a foul ball... but look at Prince Fielder's reaction.
Matt Murton, Felix Pie and Reed Johnson celebrate last night's win. Click on photos to open a larger version in a new browser window. All photos by David Sameshima
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Win today
and let’s take care of the Cardinals. I can’t wait for this series! These late games are killing me though, don’t know how you get up for work Al!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on
May 1, 2008 8:51 AM CDT
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Soto for All-Star game starter!
Not sure how one could argue for anybody else over him thus far!
by HereComesASpecialBoy on
May 1, 2008 8:52 AM CDT
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Soto
Is definitely a good thing for this team. Let’s hope he keeps crushing the ball all season. No more strikeout records.
by adam316 on
May 1, 2008 8:53 AM CDT
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Agreed
You always expect a rookie to slump at some point, and maybe take longer to get out of that slump than a veteran. Soto just came from a real confidence-sapping experience in Washington. What a way to bounce back!
Isn’t it great to see a Cubs position prospect showing such a mature self-confident approach? Not pressing, just expressing his talent and getting on with the job in hand.
by simonuk on
May 1, 2008 9:37 AM CDT
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He definitely should be
but McCann and Martin are both more popular so either of them will start. It’s a popularity contest.
So nobody has to see the scroll bar on my posts!!!!
by McRipper on
May 1, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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Not necessarily.
If Soto’s numbers stay up, remember there are way more people attending Cub games and getting ballots than there are Braves fans at Braves games.
The Dodgers draw well, but I bet Cub fans can outvote them.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 1, 2008 9:58 AM CDT
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Good Point
I’m thinking more of casual fans that aren’t Braves or Cubs or Dodgers fans. They already know who McCann and Martin are, Soto’s a new name for them. I’m just playing devil’s advocate here, I hope Soto makes it and starts.
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by McRipper on
May 1, 2008 10:07 AM CDT
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Agreed.
Soto does have the advantage of playing at least some games on a national superstation, while McCann and Martin don’t.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 1, 2008 10:10 AM CDT
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braves
are on tbs so mccann does play on a superstation – but its not as good as WGN!
"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto
by CubbyBlues on
May 1, 2008 10:51 AM CDT
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Not anymore
I think last year was the last year of that deal. TBS now does nationally broadcasts, but has no connection to the Braves anymore.
Witty .sig goes here.
by scareduck on
May 1, 2008 10:52 AM CDT
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huh
my roommates a braves fan…funny this never came up – thanks for the tip!
"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto
by CubbyBlues on
May 1, 2008 10:53 AM CDT
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Great win...
But when you score 6 runs in the first, there is no need for our starting pitcher to walk 5. It just isnt right, but again i think we are picking at the edges way too much when we dont need to. That is what got Howry in trouble with the HR, he fell behind and everyone in the park new what was coming.
But on a lighter note, someone correct me if i am wrong, but EVERY position player on the team had a hit except for 2 (Blanco and Pie). Pretty impressive!
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on
May 1, 2008 8:59 AM CDT
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Pie looks like he's progressing somewhat
He took a lot of pitches and walked once (should have been twice on a bum call). I hope they don’t trade him. There’s really no reason to right now. The way the Cubs are playing they can let him get more work in with Lou and Perry.
my owner buys me the expensive cat food, but i'll just eat this dvd shrinkwrap and that bug over there
by dr stabbingworth on
May 1, 2008 9:16 AM CDT
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He is showing better patience
That’s a good first step. His AB’s are looking a little better so maybe he is starting to learn a few things.
by rlpete on
May 1, 2008 9:41 AM CDT
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Does Pie's bat
look too long for him to anyone else? The length of the bat he uses just looks uncomfortable to me for some reason.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on
May 1, 2008 9:51 AM CDT
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I think he wraps it around his head too much.
Personally i would like to see him take a few cuts with the batt parallel to his body instead of flat and near his shoulder.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on
May 1, 2008 10:12 AM CDT
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The one thing...
...that Pie struggles with, is pulling his hands in close for the inside pitches. He tries to fully extend on every pitch (regardless of location) which you just can’t do unless you have the ability to hit the ball in front of the plate every single time (which he and few others do).
Because of this, he ties himself up quite often, which is why you see him break so many bats. All good hitters have the abilty to bring their hands in and occasionally inside out a pitch, so they can still get the fat part of the bat on the ball. I don’t know if he will ever learn this, but if he can’t, the league is just going to kill him with inside heat.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
May 1, 2008 12:38 PM CDT
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I didn't see Pie's at bats
But he did strike out 2 times in 4 at bats…
by Luis on
May 1, 2008 10:04 AM CDT
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I did say
they were better not good .
He does seem to be taking a few more pitches especially bad ones. He is still striking out a lot though.
by rlpete on
May 1, 2008 10:09 AM CDT
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In his defense, that first K was on a very questionable call.
I thought that home plate ump was ridiculously demonstrative, too. For a second, I thought he might be trying to test Lou.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
May 1, 2008 10:11 AM CDT
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that was
definitely a bad call. Pie knew it, the fans knew it, and I think the ump knew it too.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 1, 2008 10:15 AM CDT
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He showed amazing self-control, I thought
certainly more than I would have. That pitch was WAY bad, not even close…
by crazymountain on
May 1, 2008 10:17 AM CDT
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When you have
16 Ks in 44 ABs, you really cant say or do much.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on
May 1, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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What I'm most impressed with...
Was that the Cubs were still being patient late in the game yesterday with that huge lead. They loaded the bases and Cedeno knocked in 3 more runs. So many times you see players just hacking away to get the game over with; this can lead to bad habits that spill over into the next game (today).
''As long as he doesn't talk World Series, I'm happy.'' Lou Piniella on Ronny Cedeno.
by CubsBullsBears on
May 1, 2008 9:01 AM CDT
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Rrrrrronny!
is murdering the ball with bases loaded – for my money, he has got to get into the lineup somehow (not sure how)
"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto
by CubbyBlues on
May 1, 2008 10:54 AM CDT
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Aisle 137 today
Come find me….GO CUBS.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
May 1, 2008 9:08 AM CDT
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Dempster is going to have to improve that control...
As I really doubt he’s going to continue to hold opposing hitters to a .173 AVG. He’s walking people way too much. He’s been fortunate to get away with it to this point, but he’s certainly playing with fire.
by SouthernCub on
May 1, 2008 9:09 AM CDT
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hehe
Hey, Al, I like how you ask people to raise their hands if they have doubts about Soto . . . and that’s followed by a large pic of about 100 cub fans with their hands raised. lol.
jk
go cubbies . . . two out of three!
by hoosiercubbie on
May 1, 2008 9:16 AM CDT
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LOL
Unintentional humor. Obviously, those of us there last night have no doubts!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 1, 2008 9:22 AM CDT
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I made a small edit in the copy to make it make more sense.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 1, 2008 10:38 AM CDT
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Incidentally....
... according to this neat little search tool at baseball-reference.com, last night’s game was only the 12th in MLB history (since 1901) with the score of 19-5 (and the first since 1989).
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 1, 2008 9:25 AM CDT
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To all you ledge-jumpers
You can come back in. Yes, the Cubs lost 2 of 3 to the Nationals and the first game of the Brewers but the season isn’t over yet. Enjoy it.
by rlpete on
May 1, 2008 9:34 AM CDT
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One would hope
That no one would ever jump when the Cubs are in first place.
"Anything under 5 pitches is a bad at-bat."
by Fukumania on
May 1, 2008 9:38 AM CDT
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Well there were a few headed that way
after the Nationals series.
by rlpete on
May 1, 2008 9:41 AM CDT
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A game is a game is a game
Just one of those series’ that you have to forget.
"Anything under 5 pitches is a bad at-bat."
by Fukumania on
May 1, 2008 9:43 AM CDT
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True enough
No team has ever gone 162-0. Or even 132-30.
We’re going to lose games, sometimes series. Coming back afterwards and getting back on track is the real question. Good teams do just that.
This Cubs team looks quite good, by the way. Yes, they’ll provoke some anxiety on occasion, and be downright infuriating at times. That’s baseball. We’re going to see them in the postseason again this year, I’m confident of that.
by MN exile on
May 1, 2008 11:02 AM CDT
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Cautiously Optimistic
as I am with most things in life.
by SecondSon on
May 1, 2008 10:25 AM CDT
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Never worried about Soto...
...in fact, he is the best fastball hitter on the team, period. He rarely misses a hittable fastball in the zone, which is the sign of a hitter who can become very dangerous. To compare him to someone like Soriano, Fonzy misses a lot of hittable fastballs because he is tardy with his swing, not Soto.
If Soto continues to build confidence, which will allow him to recognize and stay away from the outside breaking balls, this guy could be a real presense for a long time.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on
May 1, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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So, during the eight inning last night, I came up with this crazy theory.
Derrick Turnbow and Eric Gagne are actually the same person. Yes, that’s right, the Brewers never acquired Gagne; he’s actually pitching in a Mexican semi-pro league after disgracing himself in Boston.
Following the Cordero debacle, Ned Yost, in his infinite wisdom, thought he could get an edge on the rest of the National League by appearing to have Gagne as the Brewers closer. Never happened—that’s really Turnbow in a fake beard and “goggles.”
This partially explains why Turnbow was so laughably horrible last night. The poor guy is just plain worn out from having to be two of the 4,208 relief pitchers in the Brew Crew’s pen. I humbly submit this for your collective approval.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
May 1, 2008 9:37 AM CDT
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Sounds about right to me.
Or maybe that was Ned Yost pitching in Turnbow’s uniform wearing a really bad wig.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 1, 2008 9:45 AM CDT
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Turnbow's
uniform look unnaturally large on him as well.
Also, I know there was a fan post about this yesterday but MLB needs to do one of two things, force these players to wear proper uniforms, or not consider it a hit batsman when the ball grazes the baggy uniform.
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on
May 1, 2008 11:03 AM CDT
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LSA!
AMEN! Return to the sock-holsters! No long pants at ALL!
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 1, 2008 11:16 AM CDT
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Mexican semi-pro?
You sure you don’t mean the California Penal League?
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by McRipper on
May 1, 2008 9:54 AM CDT
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Ah, yes, well...
...he was there initially but then escaped in a daring prison break and fled to mexico. I’m surprised this didn’t get more media attention.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
by dat cubfan daver on
May 1, 2008 9:58 AM CDT
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hahaha
Good stuff.
So nobody has to see the scroll bar on my posts!!!!
by McRipper on
May 1, 2008 10:08 AM CDT
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Cedeño
Anybody else catch Lou’s interviews where he mentioned Cedeño-Playing Time-CF in the same sentence? Because Cedeño has been crazy hot the whole year (1.000+ OPS) and because Piniella loves to play the hot hand I think he will find a place for him in the lineup, somehow, somewhere. The most obvious place is indeed CF where Johnson is one mini-slump away from having awful offensive stats (he has pretty much only hit singles this year).
by Luis on
May 1, 2008 9:38 AM CDT
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Has he every played CF?
You can’t just plug guys into positions. Ronny’s not overly fast and I don’t want him making an error that costs the Cubs a win.
"Anything under 5 pitches is a bad at-bat."
by Fukumania on
May 1, 2008 9:40 AM CDT
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what are you talking about?
Reed is a sparkplug. He guts EVERY play out. Why would you bench him???
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 1, 2008 9:47 AM CDT
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I'm not being
sarcastic. Reed is a backup, and I’m happy to see Sori come back, but I wouldn’t put Cedeno in center field and bench Reed. It was a great move to sign him. Ronny’s playing better, it’s true (I missed the GSHR because I was on honeymoon) but I’ve yet to be convinced, and the outfield really isn’t his thing.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 1, 2008 10:16 AM CDT
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Have you seen
Reed Johnson stats?
I know defense is important but at some point the difference in production outweights it. Would you have a CF with a .675 OPS?
The best example is the Braves from the 90s. They had a butcher with good offense and wizard with a horrendous bat at SS. What did they do? They played Blauser, and with a lead, they switched him for Belliard.
Like I said, you have to at least consider it.
by Luis on
May 1, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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I dont understand why everyone...
Wants to find a replacement for Reed Johnson. I think the guy has proven himself. He is a gamer and should be playing CF as much as possible.
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by HIGGY on
May 1, 2008 10:30 AM CDT
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Gamer? yes; Contriburor? Yes; Starter?
That is your opinion, but it would be better if you could base some of it on his offensive stats.
by Luis on
May 1, 2008 10:32 AM CDT
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Because the guy is hitting...
....296/.379/.333 on the season, which is frighteningly aenemic. That’s a .712 OPS or a 88 OPS+. Just… bad. Which might not even be so bad if it wasn’t based on an unsustainable .329 BABIP. Johnson is troubling.
And that’s still almost twice as good as Pie’s .205/.280/.273 production.
by cwyers on
May 1, 2008 10:34 AM CDT
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A .329 BABIP isn't that absurd...
And I wouldn’t expect him to continue to ahve such a poor extra base hit rate. He’s tended to hit for a bit more power.
So I suspect you’ll see a bit of a dropoff (not a ridiculous dropoff) in BABIP and an increase in extra base hits, and it’ll balance itself out. I’d suspect that a .700-.750 OPS is about right for Johnson, just with a different distribution of OBP and SLG.
by SouthernCub on
May 1, 2008 10:38 AM CDT
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Possible but
In 2007 he had an OPS+ of 66. He may stay in the .700-.750 range which is not good but at least tolerable or he may get even worse (his numbers have been steadily declining the past weeks). You need to have a backup plan.
by Luis on
May 1, 2008 10:44 AM CDT
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Okay, so let's split the difference there...
...and say a .725 OPS. If Ryan Theriot keeps hitting .323/.396/.434, or something like it (which is not the likeliest scenario, but follow with me for a moment), then you’re still looking at whether you want to replace a .830 OPS or a .725 OPS. There are other concerns, I know, and I do think that true-talent, Reed Johnson is a better hitter than Ryan Theriot. But Lou tends to base his decisions on a smaller sample size than I do.
(And as a fourth outfielder, I think a .725 OPS is alright. As a starting center fielder who is about average defensively, it troubles me.)
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May 1, 2008 10:54 AM CDT
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One important point is
This discussion will not matter if/when Theriot stops hitting as he is doing now. If he cools off then essentially the question would simply be replacing Theriot with Cedeño. As long as he has an OPS north of .800 though the decision becomes a little more complex.
by Luis on
May 1, 2008 10:59 AM CDT
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You're ignoring two things here...
1. Theriot is not going to come close to maintaining this .830 OPS. I know you know this, so why are you using it as your argument?
2. Defense. Cedeno may actually be an upgrade over Theriot defensively, and isn’t likely to be a downgrade. Cedeno is certainly a downgrade defensively from Johnson in CF.
Further, what are you arguing? If you’re going by what Piniella will do, then discussing who Cedeno will replace is a moot point – he’s not replacing either player. If you’re discussing who Cedeno SHOULD replace, it’s Theriot.
That doesn’t mean that CF is fine. It just means that we have problems at both SS and CF, and Cedeno is a more appropriate solution at SS than CF.
by SouthernCub on
May 1, 2008 11:00 AM CDT
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This only became a discussion because Lou mentioned center field.
And so the question is, is Lou likely to play Cedeno in center field at some point here? If he’s leaving Theriot in at shortstop, he very well could look to use Cedeno in center field at some point. Why do I think this? Because I heard him mention it.
You’re right – we should be using Cedeno at shortstop, and try and work out the cluster-- we have in center between Johnson and Pie for the time being. But I have a hard time seeing Lou doing that when he sees Theriot as a good ballplayer and Theriot has a small-sample-size performance to back that opinion up.
(What’s being ignored in all of this is that Theriot has been an absolute butcher at short so far this season – his RZR numbers are close to making me ill. But Lou doesn’t seem to share this awareness.)
by cwyers on
May 1, 2008 11:07 AM CDT
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All you have to do is watch Theriot and you can see he's not getting to many balls.
It’s like watching Ron Cey trying to play S

