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Well, did she make you cry
Make you break down
Shatter your illusions of love
And is it over now
Do you know how to pick up the pieces and go home?

-- Fleetwood Mac, "Gold Dust Woman"

David Kaplan of WGN radio put it best, I think, in his postgame comments, as I heard them while driving home from the toughest Cub loss of this young season, 4-3 to the Brewers this afternoon, a game that seemed "hard fought and won", as that old saw goes.

Kaplan said that instead of slotting Felix Pie in the game for Reed Johnson, Lou Piniella should have put Pie in CF and moved Johnson to LF, replacing Alfonso Soriano... because Johnson probably would have caught Gabe Kapler's long drive to left that Soriano misread and misplayed.

And he's right. I know Soriano is maddening at times and today was one of his worst days as a Cub, making that bad play and going 0-for-4 at the plate, grounding out three times and popping up in the 7th after Mike Fontenot had singled.

It was shades of Opening Day. Kerry Wood, who's been quite good in the closing role this year, hit Craig Counsell with the first pitch he threw today, just as he hit Rickie Weeks with his first pitch of the 2008 season on March 31... and the result was the same, a disastrous three-run inning highlighted by Kapler's double that should have been an out. After Jason Kendall singled in the second run, the Cubs still had the lead at 3-2, but then Ryan Braun (who Dave calls the best right-handed hitter in the NL after Albert Pujols, and he's likely correct) smacked a double that the wind took away from a frantically reaching Fukudome, scoring the tying and lead runs. Wood got Prince Fielder to ground out to end the inning with the Cubs only down by one.

Now what would you have done after Ronny Cedeno walked? Would you have had Geovany Soto bunt? Dave said he would. I wouldn't have, but Eric Gagne threw offspeed stuff to Soto (unlike the fastballs Soto hammered last night) and got Soto on a called third strike on a pitch that you can't, simply cannot, look at. Pie then hit into a double play to end it. Should Cedeno have been running? Had he been running on Soto's at-bat, he'd at least have stayed out of the DP. And we all know how bad Jason Kendall is at throwing out runners (though, he has been better so far this year, throwing out nine of 22 runners trying to steal).

All of this on a day we should have been celebrating. Carlos Zambrano launched a ball into the left-field bleachers (opposite field, hitting left-handed, no less) for his 13th career HR, tying Fergie Jenkins for the most career HR by a Cubs pitcher -- and Fergie had 893 AB as a Cub, Z has accomplished this in fewer than half as many AB, 430 after today. Z also threw a good, if a little pitch-heavy (111), six and a third innings, lowering his ERA to 2.11 by allowing only one run -- a HR to Braun that tied the game in the sixth. An error on a miscommunication between Johnson and Fukudome on the next batter, Fielder, threatened to untie the game, but Z got Corey Hart to strike out and then Fukudome nailed Fielder at the plate on a perfect throw (I think we could feel the ground move underneath us as the 260-pound Fielder crashed into the 230-pound Soto at the plate, Soto hanging on to the ball for the out).

Tougher losses you will not find. It's especially bad when:

a) the game seemed well in hand, and

b) the opponent is one of your biggest divisional rivals.

The loss drops the Cubs 1/2 game behind the idle Cardinals into second place, and the Cubs are only a game ahead of the third-place Brewers, who won four of the first six meetings between the teams -- but remember this. Two of the games, today and Opening Day, were tough games that could have gone either way. These two teams won't meet again until the last week of July, nearly three months from now, and by then the divisional race should be taking shape much more clearly than it is today. I don't expect the Cardinals, off to a good start, to be able to maintain their pace -- but Milwaukee is a good club (even if their defense and bullpen are a little shaky) and will stay there.

There were a lot of Brewer fans in Wrigley Field for this entire series, unusual for a time when schools are still in session and the weather can be iffy (though it was pleasant today, no rain and a game-time temperature of 70); I'd say perhaps 5,000 to 7,000 fans chanted "Let's Go Brewers!" through that 9th inning rally. Unlike past days there didn't seem to be any Brewer/Cub fan incidents, and those really are unfortunate. I think part of it stems from the fact that over the last few years, Cub fans have taken over Miller Park during Cub/Brewer series and Milwaukee fans have developed a bit of a chip on their shoulders as a result.

Maybe I'm off base, but that's how I see it. It doesn't have to be this way. These were hard-fought games and there's a nascent rivalry that might, in time, be close to the Cub/Cardinal rivalry for proximity and team competition. To any Brewer fans out there -- I respect your team and how it's been built. Let's have a GOOD rivalry, not the Yankee/Red Sox kind where the fans genuinely despise each other.

And for those of you who suffered here at BCB (a couple of BCB readers, Bartlett Bob and zambranofan, joined us in the bleachers today)... I guess all I can say is, it's early, apart from today the team has played consistently well. As Z said himself in his postgame comments, they just have to pick up and play tomorrow in St. Louis and get back to winning.

Speaking of the next Cub/Brewer series, it is during that series that Wrigley Field will host their Midwest League affiliate Peoria Chiefs taking on the Kane County Cougars, at 7:05 pm on Tuesday, July 29, and for people who can't get Cub tickets because they are either unavailable or unaffordable, this is a chance to see the Cubs' future at a reasonable price:

Tickets will be available tomorrow at 9 a.m. on www.cubs.com and will range from $10 for Terrace Reserved seats, Upper Deck Reserved seats and the general admission bleachers; $12 for terrace box seats; and $15 for club and field box seats, bleacher box seats and upper deck box seats. A total of 280 designated premium seats, priced from $25-$30, will also be available as part of tomorrow's on-sale event.

Also note that:

If the Cubs sell more than 10,000 tickets for the game, it will count as one of the team's night games.

There's no preference given to Cub season ticket holders for this event, so I intend to be online tomorrow at 9 am (CDT) along with the rest of you, because I want to be part of this event, too. Besides seeing Cub prospects, it will mark the return of Ryne Sandberg to Wrigley Field in a baseball uniform for the first time since 1997, as the Chiefs' manager:

"It's an opportunity for everybody involved," Sandberg said Thursday at Wrigley. "It's a chance of a lifetime for some of these players to come here and play a game at Wrigley Field. I'm excited about it, and I know the fans will have some fun with the game."

Fleetwood Mac sang the lyrics at the top of this post. The Cubs will have to pick up the pieces and instead of going home, go on the road and win, starting tomorrow. I have faith in this team that they can do it. Till then.

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"Dome-beam"

Just watched some highlight reel on mlb.com…. looks like tough game….
Was Dome solid? At least I did watch “Dome-beam” – that’s the classic for all Dragons fans…

I'm bleeding Dragons Blue.

by dragonsfanatic on May 1, 2008 5:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd say he was solid

I’ve yet to see him not solid. There was one bobbled catch —and from my park perspective I couldn’t tell who was doing the bobbling - overall he’s solidly our man.

by Emelie on May 1, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

UGH

My 08 Cubs record 4-0
My 08 W.Sox record 0-2 (I havent seen a sox win in 3 years)
Updated April 26th

by Rudey on May 1, 2008 5:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well put Al

I really don’t understand Lou’s move with Sori, Johnson, and Pie. I’m guessing Lou realizes he made a mistake with that one and that was in part why he was so mad at the press conference. I agree with you on the bunt, and Lou hasn’t really used it all year so that was expected. However, Cedano has to be running at some point during that inning

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on May 1, 2008 5:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Brewers/Cubs Rivalry

I think the hard thing about the rivalry is there just isn’t the same hate on our side. Cubs fans HATE the Cardinals. There is just a developing distaste for the Brewers right now. The Brewers fans hate everything about us. I get blasted daily for cheering for my team. I am silent during this series because I’m used to blending in as a Packers fan in Chicago. I personally just don’t have the hate Brewers fans have. It was only 10 years ago we played them in interleague games. However you develop a hatred that runs this deep in this short of a time is beyond me. I know they hate the fact that we have taken over Miller Park in the past and that there are Cubs fans not exactly representing the base well. And they respond up here like the 10-15% they complain about. Al, I’m with you. I would love a friendly rivalry, but I doubt it will happen. This isn’t a Cubs/Brewers thing, it’s a Wisconsin/Illinois thing. They hate Illinois with its tolls, “bad drivers,” and so on. Other than Kenosha’s cops, we tolerate Wisconsin as a vacation destination. I will show respect, and that’s all we can ask I guess.

"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth

by TkGoUWGB on May 1, 2008 5:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There were a lot of Brewers fans in my section

and we were all an amiable bunch. The only incident, if you can call it that, was a very drunk man taunting a few Cubs fans who were oblivious to his rudeness. We even got along well on the very crowded El ride home, one Brewer gentleman gave up his seat for me (oh goodness I can’t look that old, do I?)

by Emelie on May 1, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a bit of a broad brush

I suspect the percentage of people living between Milwaukee and Chicago that have either no family members or friends in the other state is pretty low. It’s most likely a very vocal minority.

by Shanghai Badger on May 1, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Curious thing I just noticed...

... as I was putting away my ticket from today’s game. Guess whose photo was on the season ticket for today?

Soriano, grinning away.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 1, 2008 5:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd be grinning too if I was stealing $132 mil

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on May 1, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really, really deflating loss.

That said, we have to expect a couple of rough games like we just experienced, and a couple rough patches, like the one we’re currently going through. I think in the next few weeks, the bullpen will work out its issues, and Soriano will either prove himself worthy of the leadoff spot, or Lou will become impatient and move him to a lower spot in the order. I still think the Cubs are one of the two or three best teams in the National League, and once they get rolling, they will be a fun team to watch again. Hopefully, they can get it going in St. Louis this weekend.

by WartburgCub on May 1, 2008 5:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not a good game today

Not normally someone who will rant but….. Mr. Soriano you are not a good baseball player. You are not a good hitter, yes you get into good streaks but when the team needs a solid at bat you are not the guy to call on. You are not a good fielder even though you seem to have the speed and throwing arm to actually be adequate, and maybe even a plus fielder. You should not be hitting lead off nor should you be playing late in games, you have become a role player for a very good team. No, you are not the only one to blame for this loss, Lou should have put Reed Johnson in left to replace you. Kerry should not have hit the lead off man or given up a line drive triple. Kosuke might have been playing a little shallow. With all that said, did you see the catch that Reed Johnson made last week?

by Imtrejo on May 1, 2008 5:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not so keen on Soriano either

but I think Wood deserves a lot of credit for the loss. He got in there and gave away the store.

by Emelie on May 1, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Note to self:

Hitting first batter on first pitcher = Blown save

The Time Is Now. [Chicago Cubs, '08]

by EJThunder on May 1, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

*pitch

The Time Is Now. [Chicago Cubs, '08]

by EJThunder on May 1, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree about Soriano...

He’s a selfish player and that’s that. The fact that he thinks he’s a leadoff hitter and will throw a temper tantrum like a five year old if he bats elsewhere is a clue.

After today’s game he’s hitting a buck sixty-five. I’ve watched baseball for years and never once seen a leadoff hitter hit such a low average. I don’t want to hear this crap about how he’s a “streaky” hitter. For someone making the kind of money he does, he should be hitting better than a buck sixty-five. Especially if he wants to hit at the top of the order.

Lou, Hendry, or somebody on the Cubs staff needs to man up and tell Soriano he’s not a leadoff hitter an that’s that. Soriano needs to grow up and realize he’s not a leadoff hitter and just hit.

by NOLA_Cub_Fan on May 1, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When did he

throw a temper tantrum when asked to bat elsewhere?

by sue369 on May 1, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh...further evidence that...

...the more often a mistruth is repeated, the more likely it comes to be accepted as fact. Don’t get me wrong—Soriano had an awful, awful game yesterday. And I’m worried about the effect his lack of production (both defensively and offensively) could have on this team. But I still think it’s too early to write him off.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on May 2, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was reported

That Soriano does not care where he hits, this was reported on the Wendesday night game by ESPN. Now have we heard anyother information that Soriano will only hit leadoff?
Have we heard that specifically from Soriano? I don’t know if you have fill me in.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on May 1, 2008 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cedano should have stole 2nd in the bottom of the ninth after his leadoff walk

…I could steal off Kendall. I am a bit mystified at why Lou didn’t make that call with Soto up.

But that was hardly the worst mistake of the day. What an awful loss….

The Soriano bashing is going to get ugly. It’s really rough when you have watched the team gel over the past two weeks, see Reed Johnson practically risk his life to make "the catch" and see Soriano alligator arm a catchable ball because he gets nervous when he gets within 10 feet of the wall. Ugh.

Felix Pie must play everyday!

by JB 23 on May 1, 2008 5:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand...

...why Lou didn’t send Cedeno down either. Your not going to get too many better opportunties to swipe a base with Kendall behind the dish.

Anyway, tough tough loss, but those happen. They just need to put it behind them and move on.

I also agree that putting Johnson in LF would have been the right call, and I am sure Lou is kicking himself in the ass for that one. Lastly, Wood didn’t have any command right out of the box, and you could just see trouble brewing (no pun) with each pitch he threw.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on May 1, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kendall has been better at throwing out runners this year so far...

... 9 of 22 thrown out (I think that’s more than he threw out all last year).

Still, you are right, Cedeno should have been running.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 1, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cedeno should've run on the second pitch

and often he’s there to pinch run and do exactly that. Then Soto could put one through or move him along.

But last night ’s bombs made us all think HR, even Lou.

The home plate ump had both hitters and pitchers scratching their heads.

by santo4hof on May 1, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

poor form booing bob uecker

During the 7th inning stretch. We were doomed after that. The guy is a HOFer, granted for broadcasting, but come on!

by GoTwins on May 1, 2008 6:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

According to the Tribune

it could have been a lot worse. Last year (Al, can you confirm?) they drowned out his singing with booing and then did an a cappella version of their own. At least this year they sang along. Not that I’m making excuses, mind you.

by Emelie on May 1, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, that's correct about last year.

Uecker is a class act and I wish people wouldn’t do this. Maybe it’d be best to just not invite him again.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 1, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed...its actually a testament to how classy he is by accepting the invitation..

To sing again after the way he was treated in the past..

Felix Pie must play everyday!

by JB 23 on May 1, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think he is offended by it....

It’s all a part of the rivalry. People aren’t going to cheer their division rival’s announcer while he’s singing in THEIR ballpark.

Uecker IS a class act and a great guy and I respect all of his work but I have no problem with the boo’s.

The Time Is Now. [Chicago Cubs, '08]

by EJThunder on May 1, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn the change the words..

to a more brewer-centric theme? So he should expect them to boo, but it seemed the boos were in good nature, if thats possible, i agree, he seems like a hilarious guy who probably enjoys goading the fans like that, i thought it was pretty funny….hes the closest thing baseball has to Dickie V interms of announcers.

by bren on May 1, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the preview button

is your friend ;)

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 1, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're right

the crowd did come around at the end of the song, anyway. I guess the boos weren’t too bad, especially after last year. Did they interview him on WGN?

by GoTwins on May 1, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah..

He sat and chatted with Len and Bob. Complimented Geo with his season so far.

Good convo… better than Bonnie Hunt haha.

The Time Is Now. [Chicago Cubs, '08]

by EJThunder on May 1, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can hear him on the radio over the boo-ing

He sings something like “Root root root for the Brewers/ You’ll do the same for the Cubs/ So it’s one, two …”

Pretty classy way to do it, imo.

by TC Cubby on May 2, 2008 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this seems to have developed into a running gag...

Booing Uecker when he sings TMOTTBG has been going on for several years now, but I think it’s more of a running gag than anything mean-spirited. I mean, c’mon – we’re talking Ueck here, not Marty B, Milo Hamilton, or any of the other bitter old men out there still clinging to baseball. He loves coming to Wrigley, and he loves mixing it up with Cubs fans. Sure he’s slipped in a few Brewers lyrics over the years, but he’s just funnin’ you, man. And the Cubs fans are funnin’ him right back.

Seriously – did anyone see/hear someone boo Uecker today and think they really MEANT it? I have a hard time believing that even sloppy drunk frat boy out in the bleachers would stand up and yell “YOU SUCK UECKER!” and really mean it.

Ueck is the Anti-Woo!

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 1, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He sings...

“I’ll root, root, root for the Brewers, you do the same for the Cubs”.

I can’t see how any Cub fan could argue with that sentiment.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 1, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with it

100%

"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth

by TkGoUWGB on May 1, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any ball.......

Any ball hit to Theriot’s right is a 5-/50 deal at best….... nice guy, lots of grit but…... how many better shortstops in the NL? With all the plus and minus to Ronnie’s game…..... I’ll take Ronnie…... sorry.

by James031 on May 1, 2008 6:14 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

It seems that a lot of people want to pin this loss on Soriano

when the bottom line is that Wood couldn’t get the job done in the ninth.

by bluekoolaide on May 1, 2008 6:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

n/t

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on May 1, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I felt so bad for this avid Wood fan

sitting in front of me. He wore a Wood jersey and he was so excited when Wood came in to pitch that he stood up and continued to stand in great anticipation until it all went south so very fast and he had no choice but to sit back down again, utterly deflated. It was one of those baseball moments.

by Emelie on May 1, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree....

The Time Is Now. [Chicago Cubs, '08]

by EJThunder on May 1, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sad to say

I’ve yet to experience a winning game at Wrigley. However, the happy news is that it’s just as much fun to attend a game solo as it is with a group of friends. This was my first game as a singleton and, except for those late innings, I had a blast. Never hesitate to attend a game just because you’re solo. Midwesterners are (for the majority) such a well adjusted, friendly bunch. And to be in any part of Wrigley at any time is soul satisfying. Now that I’m armed with this realization, one of these days I’ll get to sing Go Cubs Go too.

by Emelie on May 1, 2008 6:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm.

You haven’t experienced a winning game? How many games is that?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 1, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

just a handful. Maybe 6 total. I plan to make up for lost time.

by Emelie on May 1, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

man we might have to bar your entrance from now on

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on May 1, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Billy Goats

and Foxes (my surname)? Hmm….you may be onto something

by Emelie on May 1, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Might as well pile on

There was no reason for Soriano to be out there in the 9th. I think even Dave Kingman might have caught that ball. And while Kerry Wood did get hit hard, if Soriano makes the catch the whole inning is different. This was a brutal, demoralizing loss.

by Mike Vails Evil Twin on May 1, 2008 6:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Right.

This is the kind of loss that makes me feel sick to my stomach. And I’m worried that you might be right about it being demoralizing. We’re really going to see what they’re made of in the next three days against St. Louis.
I’ve got to believe though that The Cubs team is starting to realize that Wood is not the guy in the ninth inning. The question is how many more blown saves is it going to take before changes are made?

by bluekoolaide on May 1, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was Soriano's first game back.

His lack of range was not nearly as apparent as Ryan Theriot’s who extended more innings than Soriano did. What excuse does Theriot have?

by DGU on May 1, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I mean to say is

that a loss magnifies everyone’s faults (except our particular personal favorites). This one hurt, but we still have a good team, including a good LF.

by DGU on May 1, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't expecting a lot from soriano today...

seeing as it was his first game back. I guess the reason I’m not as down on Soriano is that i don’t see the point. Love him or hate him, he’s our left fielder and lead-off man and, unfortunately, that’s not going to change. I’m more concerned about the problems that seem more fixable such as getting Wood out of the closer’s role asap.

by bluekoolaide on May 1, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not an excuse but man....

That strike zone was all over the place today. In the 9th there was a specific pitchto Weeks that looked dead on and it was called a strike throughout the game. If that pitch was called a strike Wood who knows what Wood would have done. You can say that about anything though… what if.

Like I said, it’s no excuse to blame an erratic strike-zone but I definitely noticed it more than usual and I heard Brenly gripe about it a couple times.

The Time Is Now. [Chicago Cubs, '08]

by EJThunder on May 1, 2008 6:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Its

actually a good excuse.

Its very hard for the young guys to be patient if they can get a called ball.

My 08 Cubs record 4-0
My 08 W.Sox record 0-2 (I havent seen a sox win in 3 years)
Updated April 26th

by Rudey on May 1, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right but, unfortunately, erratic strike zones seem to be

the nature of the beast these days. It certainly doesn’t make it any easier but, still, good teams have to find ways to overcome.

by bluekoolaide on May 1, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Erratic Strike Zone?

So that’s how Marmol struck out all those guys!

by JFCubFan on May 1, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The called third...

...on Soto in the 9th was 6 inches outside.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on May 1, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't 6 inches outside

sure it might’ve been 2 or 3 inches off the plate but and if their is anyone who should know how crappy this umps zone was, it’s Soto. You can’t just stand their with the bat on your shoulders with 2 strikes.

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 2, 2008 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny thing

I didn’t see Zambrano. Just a few player that shut up and torch the Brewers, a crying fan, the marquee, and Len Kasper too. I saw BCB’s Voldemort, but I think we’re ok with him getting whacked.

"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth

by TkGoUWGB on May 1, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This hurts to say, but Wood is NOT A GOOD CLOSER RIGHT NOW

It really does hurt, because he very well may be my favorite Cub of all time. But sorry Al, 4-7 is simply UNACCEPTABLE of a rate for a closer for a team that wants to win the World Series. And that doesn’t even include his first implosion against the Brewers. The other two have come in one run games when you count on your last guy to be shut down guys, and he simply hasn’t been. His fastball doesn’t move enough to really transfix hitters, and even if it did his control is not good enough to overcome that. I don’t think he can miss bats when he absolutely needs to. Contrast that with Marmol who hitters swing and miss by FEET not inches. Our best reliever is Marmol, so really, he should be the closer. He’s going to be anyway, what are we waiting for?

by SamFels on May 1, 2008 6:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Marmol excels as the fireman, I like him in the role he has. He can 1, 2 innings if need be to shut down the other team.

If he doesn’t get that job done, who pitches the 9th may end up being moot.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on May 1, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reverse works too

The reverse of that argument works too, that if Marmol’ is shutting down the 8th it does no good if it comes unraveled in the 9th. He’s our best pitcher out of the pen, with the best stuff. Generally, that guy goes in the 9th. Plus, that role would actually lessen his workload, which we’ve all agreed has been far too heavy this season so far.

by SamFels on May 1, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, you're right.

Still though, we know Marmol is good for 2+ if needed. If we can’t even trust Wood for 1, why stretch him for 2? : )

Maybe….
7th: Wood
8th, 9th: Marmol

Unconventional, but what do you think?

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on May 1, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really...

If Wood was pitching in the innings Marmol was pitching, we might not have had any save situations. It’s a tradeoff, but you want your best reliever pitching in the most difficult situations. The most difficult situations are the ones where you come in with runners already in scoring position. If you put your weaker pitcher in the game in that situation, you’ll see better save rates from the closer but more blown saves as a team (with the blown saves coming from the 7th-inning guy) and fewer total saves.

by SouthernCub on May 1, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Marmol worked through the tougher part of the batting order. Wood came in pitching to Counsel who was batting 7th. Should have been an easier time for Wood.

Does anyone else think that Wood is throwing too many fastballs? I know he was behind most of the hitters last night, but you gotta give them a look at something other than a fastball. It doesn’t matter how hard you throw the ball, a major league hitter will eventually catch up to the fastball if you keep throwing it.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 2, 2008 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on Woody -

Al: I’m sorry, but I just disagree with the statement, ”...[Kerry] who’s been quite good in the closing role this year,” Is “quite good” a relative term? How would his performance so far do on a set at ABC or another network? I’d say they’d move him to the “12am. to 3am slot, m-thurs”

It just is not accurate, yet, anyway.

Is a mop up game good? Or the game when he blew the save, only to get the win via Marmol, a “good performance”?

Perhaps the Bleachers are either too far out to see that his pitches are getting hammered, or you are just being sentimental. Don’t get me wrong – this was a collective mess from Sori, Dome, Woody and Piniella in the 9th. Its just that Kerry needs to start a track record of shutting the door instead of repeating dumb mistakes. The problem as you know, is the options with the other pen problems currently, are not optimum.

This loss can be devistating, and also puff up the Brewers. But – it is a LONG season.

If the Cubs finish one game out of it, we can look back at that time.

by The E-Man on May 1, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You could look at any loss.

Today, Wood had nothing. I think the HBP unnerved him, like it did on Opening Day. There have been other days when he’s been good. However, you are correct that he must become more consistent.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 1, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree and disagree...

I was about to type about the fact that Wood has in fact NOT been very good as a closer this year. Coming into the game, he’d blown two saves in six chances. That’s a very poor ratio. Now, he’s blown three of seven chances. It’s very early and there’s certainly time to turn that around, but that’s pretty poor work. He’s looked great in the games he’s saved successfully, but he’s just not been very good overall.

I disagree on Marmol as the closer. As I explain below, I think it’s more important for the best relief pitcher to pitch in the most difficult situations. The most difficult situations are those in which the pitcher comes in with runners already in scoring position. The closer comes in with a pretty good setup – he has likely warmed up for an inning, and he has no one on base. I’d much rather have my best reliever pitch in the more difficult spot.

by SouthernCub on May 1, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's just not right, Southern Cub

Your theory is very flawed. If it were true that your best reliever throws in the most difficult situation, why then does Mariano Riviera close games? Or Papelbon? Or K-rod? Isringhausen? You simply put your best pitcher in the pen as the closer and here’s why: in theory, yes, your best pitcher should be used in that particular day’s most difficult situation. This is the Bill James theory of bullpen management. It reasons that the other team’s heart of the order could come up in the 8th instead of the 9th, so you’re best pitcher should be used then. But it doesn’t work with live humans. Relievers work best when they have clearly defined roles, and you’ll hear them say this repeatedly. They like to set a routine, know when they might come in the game and who they might face. They work best this way. The 2003 Red Sox tried it your way, and they fell short, and then signed Keith Foulke, so the organization didn’t think it worked either.

by SamFels on May 1, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The theory isn't flawed...

it’s just that baseball minds haven’t come to it. Just like at one point baseball minds hadn’t come to the realization that bullpens were useful. It’s the natural progression of things.

As for the 2003 Red Sox – their failure wasn’t the closer by committee concept. It was the fact that their committee stunk. If you have good pitchers, they get outs. It doesn’t matter where they pitch.

Our problem is that we have only one guy in the pen who is consistently getting guys out. That guy is Marmol. If you make him the closer, then we lose the game in the 7th inning. If you leave him in the fireman role, then we risk losing the game in the 9th.

All your suggestion does is redistribute the problem, and it does so in a fashion that makes us worse off. It most certainly does not make us better.

And even with your suggestion, your theory falls short, because it again ignores the fact that the toughest outs generally come earlier in the game. For example – Marmol came in with two on and one out. That’s much tougher than coming in to face the bottom of the order with no outs (which is the situation Wood came in against).

by SouthernCub on May 1, 2008 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus,

I think Marmol as closer would further devalue Wood. I think Wood needs a longer time to warm up than most relievers. I don’t think he would be as effective rushing his warm up to put out a fire.

Second, my impression is that Wood often struggles with the first batter. If he is going to do that, at least keep him in the ninth, where the bases are empty to start.

by TC Cubby on May 2, 2008 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's something I forgot to mention.

I didn’t think Wood threw enough in the pen. At one point I looked down and he and Lester Strode were looking at Strode’s clipboard. The bottom of the 8th didn’t last very long. Wood might not have been ready.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 2, 2008 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But to add...

I think it’s very comforting to have this closer discussion, or any other about the team, when it’s playing .600 ball. Makes these feel much less life and death.

by SamFels on May 1, 2008 6:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If Soriano is going to be out there

then why the hell isn’t he playing back by the warning track? – especially with the wind blowing out like it was late in the game. And after the none-too-hard hit ball went over Soriano’s head, why the hell wasn’t Fukudome playing deeper? The Brewers saw what the wind was doing to balls and had there outfielders playing almost on the warning track after Cedeno walked to lead off the ninth. It’s like the Cubs were a road team unfamiliar with changes in weather at Wrigley Field. And after today it’s official – Soriano is actually worse than Sosa at getting to balls his over his head.

by the nth on May 1, 2008 6:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Im a brewers fan

But Fukudome was definitely safe at home. I think it is stupid to have an unwritten rule about the ball beating the player, so that pretty much makes them out.

The rule is that you have to tag the guy before he tags the base. It’s that simple.For whatever reason, Kendall pulled his tag up and Fukudome easily slid in under it. Kendall didn’t actually tag him until he foot was at the back of home.

We brewer fans know we got a break on a stupid unwritten rule, but we’ll still take it.

One final note, thank God Marmol is not your closer. I don’t think I’ve ever had the feeling of wanting to get a setup guy out to bring in the closer.

See you guys in Milwaukee. Can’t wait to see half the stadium filled with Cubs fans.

by brewfan2 on May 1, 2008 7:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for your honesty.

It appeared that Fukudome was out from the bleachers, and no one argued. But sometimes things like this happen and you just have to pick up the pieces, as the song goes.

See you in Milwaukee in July. Looking forward to it.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 1, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw the replay tonight and looking from the front Soto appeared to be safe.

From your angle in the bleachers and from the ump’s angle, looking from behind, it’s hard to see that the runner slid his foot under the tag.

by Fraggin Judge on May 2, 2008 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, thanks for your graciousness, too.

I think all fans, whether Cubs or Brewers, could learn something from brewfan2’s comments. I give this Brewers team a lot of credit—they know they’re a club that can score runs at any point in the game and they play like it. Although it may seem like a ridiculous thing for a Cubs fan to say, yesterday’s contest was a good baseball game. Competitive, exciting, meaningful. It just had an awful, disappointing ending for those of us who root for the Cubs.

I also give credit to Brewers fans for mobilizing in increasingly large numbers and making the trip down to Wrigley. A rivalry is no fun when you outnumber the opposing team’s supporters by massive numbers. As long as everyone treats each other respectfully, it makes the game a lot more enjoyable.

The Brewers have won two decisive battles now - congratulations - but this war is long from over.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

by dat cubfan daver on May 2, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch

It sounds like it is good I missed us falling apart in the 9th. Were there any walks to help load the bases? I turned it on just as someone (Braun?) hit one over Kosuke’s (sp?) head.

Okay, time to rebound and ramp up for the Cards. Go Cubs!

Dave

by Dave in the basement on May 1, 2008 7:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I called it yesterday...

Book it,
You heard it here first,
Tomorrows score:
Brewers 2, Cub 1
by Mr W on Apr 30, 2008 8:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I was only off by a couple of runs.

Why didn’t I predict they would win this game after such a great hitting performance the night before?????Because they are the Cubs, period!

Until the Cubs learn to win – and that takes hard work, mental toughness, and good leadership, the Cubs will always be an also ran.

by Mr W on May 1, 2008 7:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What do you want us to do

Give you keys to a new car, stand and give you a standing “O”, geez get off you High horse, so what you got a game right. Big freaking deal

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on May 1, 2008 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades.

Perhaps your clairvoyance would be be put to better use telling Lou who to use a defensive replacements.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 2, 2008 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fascinating stuff, Mr W

“Until the Cubs learn to win – and that takes hard work, mental toughness, and good leadership, the Cubs will always be an also ran.”

If you talk in more general and impossible to measure terms next time it would be appreciated. Maybe this could be your next post – Until the Cubs get more gamers who give you 138% every time they cross that chalk line, they will not win a World Series. You heard it here first!

by the nth on May 1, 2008 7:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

lol.

Claiming credit for a 4-3 win by pointing out you called 2-1? Ehhhhhh. Dubious.

Is this general enough for you, the nth?

Book it: If the Cubs fail to score more runs than the Cardinals tomorrow, they’ll lose. Mark it down!

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on May 1, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Oh,

I’ve disturbed the board fascist.

Go try and intimidate someone else junior, I will continue to post my opinion…Oh, and there’s nothing you can do about it.

How is that fascist??

by Mr W on May 1, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please show me where I'm being a fascist.

You can say whatever you want, but I’m not allowed to post? Who’s the fascist?

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on May 1, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and grow up.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on May 1, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here are the fascists..

do you ever have anything nice to say?
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
by Chanman25 on May 1, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

SHUT UP!
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 1, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

we should all
flag his posts. Maybe that will get him banned for good.

by sue369 on May 1, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I flagged
one already.

2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 1, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought you were one of them, I was wrong, I apologize.

But it’s that kind of thing that has no place on a sports blog where all viewpoints and comments, no matter if we agree or not, should be heard.

by Mr W on May 1, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If that's how you feel, then live it out.

It’s also not right for you to jump on people with name-calling whose posts you don’t like. If you’re as dedicated to open dialogue as you claim, then let other people have their say too instead of calling them fascists or taunting them with childish, inane statements like “I will continue to post my opinion…Oh, and there’s nothing you can do about it. How is that fascist??” What purpose does that serve, besides taunting someone into a stupid? Isn’t there no place for that, either?

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on May 1, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

*into a stupid argument?

typo.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on May 1, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

northsider

Look partner, I apologized for something I was wrong about. Why not let it go?

As for name calling someone fascist:

“we should all
flag his posts. Maybe that will get him banned for good.”

It isn’t name calling when it’s the truth. Scheming to stifle someone’s free speech (unless they are swearing) is fascistic.

As I have looked at other threads you seem to do quite a bit of name calling.

Let’s both agree to stop now.

by Mr W on May 1, 2008 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I accept the apology. All I'm saying is if you don't like what someone does,

behaving in a similar fashion doesn’t make it right. Just leave them be and let others take care of it, or tell them you disagree instead of just labeling fascists. If you explain WHY you see them as fascists, they’re more likely to stop.

I’m not sure what constitutes name-calling on my part in other threads, but that’s not something I want to take up here.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on May 1, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

But, when I feel the team deserves criticism, I will criticize them. And when I feel the team deserves praise, I will praise them.

Maybe it isn’t you, but there are a certain number of posters that simply will not tolerate any, and I MEAN ANY, criticism.

I just get tired of it, but you’re right it doesn’t make it right for me to join in and behave like they do.

by Mr W on May 1, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Free speech...

... is something that cannot be curtailed by the government in this country.

However, who appointed YOU the moderator of this site? You joined less than a month ago and in just one night’s worth of posting, you have offended several regular posters and called them names.

I’ll decide whether a post or poster is doing something wrong here. It’s my site and I set the rules. Period. If you don’t like that, go elsewhere.

As of now, I don’t like your attitude. Careful how you answer this post.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 1, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

free speech??

there’s no such thing as “free speech” here. BCB is not a public forum.

I'm the guy in the blue under armour shirt

by joeschmitt on May 1, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops, shoulda read the whole thread before posting

n/t

I'm the guy in the blue under armour shirt

by joeschmitt on May 1, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what has no place

on a fan blog is mindless droning about how bad the team is.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 1, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he got the W and L columns confused.

Happens to the best of us.

"I tell you, Steve Blass, you pitch me inside, they never, never find that ball."
-Roberto Clemente

by cubbybear on May 2, 2008 2:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me put it to you like this...

The Cubs have been the worst franchise, in terms of championship ability, in the history of team professional sports. I think learning how to win is a top priority.

I don’t know if you were trying to be a smart ass or not, but I called it based on 44 years of living and dying with this team. I you don’t like it, shove it!

by Mr W on May 1, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Cubs don’t learn how to win, they won’t win.

Genius!

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on May 1, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look on the bright side...

The Cubs are undefeated when leading after the 9th inning!

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 1, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A regular John Madden he is

"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth

by TkGoUWGB on May 1, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question

Are you a cubs fan?

by CubsBall2202 on May 1, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

but HOW you criticize them is what’s important.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 1, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LSA

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 2, 2008 4:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soriano

I’m not going to fault him because he doesn’t fill in the lineup every day. Every day he’s put at the top of THIS lineup, he’s doomed to be a failure. Even at his peak performance, he’s not a leadoff hitter… he’ll never be a leadoff hitter. Right now, at this performance level, he’s the worst hitter on the team… obviously worse than 2/5 of the starting rotation when it comes to hitting. He’s not the least talented by far… just the worst performing.

It’s lunacy to have him at the top of the lineup… Yes it does matter when you have him leading into Derrek Lee and Aramis Ramirez and there are far superior options right now… this will also not change if or when he improves on his current performance.

Johnson, Theriot, Cedeno, DeRosa, Fukudome… all are getting on base consistently. I expect two or three of them regress, but that’s still two guys who need to be at the top. With the performances they’re getting out of Lee, Ramirez, Fukudome and Soto, there’s no excuse to lose ball games where the pitching only gives up 4 runs.

They need to fix this and soon! Don’t continue to give up games like this to division rivals! Save us, Lou! We know you know better! CUBS FOREVER!!!

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Just North of Wrigley Field

by jameslcrockett on May 1, 2008 7:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

It seems they (Piniella, Hendry, etc;.) want to walk on eggshells around Snoriano and keep him happy and hold up their end of some rumored handshake sure-you-will-be-leading-off,-Fonzie rather than make out the lineup card on a daily basis in a way that gives them the best chance to win.

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on May 1, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was a tough loss

but for me it was even tougher reading the game thread during the top of the ninth. Emotions were running high and it got really dicey, especially due to out favorite negative guest at this blog MDBN?? (aka blue mike). Its tough, but there is no need for that.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 1, 2008 7:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess I'll shove it then, Mr W,

because I definitely don’t like it. Maybe the Cubs can enter a learning how to win program of some kind. Unfortunate that apparently DLee has forgotten how to win since winning the World Series in ‘03. He would have to enter a relearning to win program.

by the nth on May 1, 2008 7:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tough loss, they will happen to every single team.

I’m looking forward to seeing how this team responds to a loss like that and if they are mentally tough enough to continue grinding and winning.

by CubsBall2202 on May 1, 2008 7:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree.

Especially against the Cardinals. Put this behind ‘em and get ready for the rivalry.

Alan Trammell: Assistant (to the) Manager

by northsider on May 1, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

your such a facist... ;)

Felix Pie must play everyday!

by JB 23 on May 1, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought we had an edge over the Brewers

because of their weak defense and bullpen. But we lost again today because of our weak defense and bullpen.

by Rick B on May 1, 2008 7:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"Tremendous upside" and "Potential" are back-door ways of saying

that someone usually doesn’t do s**t and hasn’t for a while – but maybe he will in the near future. Oh and by the way – we’re paying him through the nose for 6 more years.

Any guesses as to whom I speaking of?

"I got mad hits like I was Rod Carew!"

by lostinthevines on May 1, 2008 7:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, a tough loss.

I still have faith in Wood. And I still think that Sori adds value to the club. I just don’t want him playing LF in the late innings anymore. His offense will eventually come around, but his defense is atrocious.

by zevkalman on May 1, 2008 7:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

if Sori were in one of his torid offense streaks where he was hitting everything in sight, I would not double switch him, but in this game, he had not looked all that good at the plate and sliding Johnson over to left would have been the better move for Lou, IMO

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 2, 2008 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 2, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This one's my fault

I had errands to run, and figured that Marmol and Wood would take care of things if I left during the stretch. I was very, very wrong. I promise that I won’t let it happen again.

DMH

===============

Al,

How do you attend a game Wed. night, get to work at 4 am, then attend a Thurs afternoon game? What’s your secret? I’d be a zombie!

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on May 1, 2008 8:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Remember that one drink Surge? Yep.

The Time Is Now. [Chicago Cubs, '08]

by EJThunder on May 1, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You just do it.

I try not to think about it, just do all of it.

You can check my Big Gulp any time. Has nothing stronger than Diet Coke in it.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 1, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't wag your finger at me, mister

That may have worked in the 80’s, but everyone, I mean everyone, is under suspicion these days, Al :) I’m calling my congressman to hold some hearings looking into this matter.

by TC Cubby on May 2, 2008 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

psst....

check his jimmy john’s. the big gulp is too obvious

by bison on May 2, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can I pose this question to all of you?

If you could, would you rather of had Carlos Lee than Soriano? I mean, I’d take my lumps defensivley with El Caballo because he is consistent with what he does, while Soriano is probably the sreakiest hitter in the game.

It just frustrates me because I know that we were going to go full out and try to sign Carlos Lee after the 06 season, FWIW. I don’t really have a huge source, but I do know someone. He wanted to come to Chicago, bad..

Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak

by ARAM FOR MVP on May 1, 2008 8:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather have Lee right now, and probably for the next couple years

but I think with his body he will decline pretty rapidly. How many years did Houston give him anyway?

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on May 1, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Lee were a LHB, then I'd say Lee.

But both are RHB, and Sori at least looks like he’s in shape to play baseball. While I would expect each to decline in his mid-30s, I expect Lee to decline faster.

It’s a moot point, though, because El Caballo wanted to stay in Texas after the 2006 season.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on May 1, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uecker zings Yost pretty good (albeit indirectly)

Ueck joined Pat & Ron on the radio side for an inning and talked about a lot of things, most of which were really really funny. When Ron wasn’t cracking up, you could hear Matt Boltz (sp?) laughing in the background.

But amongst all the one-liners, he did come up with what I thought to be a very insightful comment on Yost’s batting the pitcher 8th strategy. Pat was asking if things were different this year with the Brewers offense – evidently their scoring is down or something fairly noticeable. Ueck mentioned that teams were definitely pitching around Fielder – well, ok, that’s pretty understandable. But then he said that the Brewers’ #7 hitter, JJ Hardy, had 26 home runs last year (and 80 RBIs). Those are some pretty awesome numbers coming out of the 7 spot. But this year, with the pitcher batting 8th, teams are pitching around Hardy too, so his numbers are way down.

Obviously we’re only one month into the season, but I thought that to be a pretty astute observation – should be interesting to see if it plays out that way the rest of the season..

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 1, 2008 8:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hardy put up most of his numbers

in the first half last year, and IIRC, he was batting #2. The real question is why he isn’t still batting #2 instead of Mike KKKKameron.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on May 1, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He batted in the #2 and #8 spot last year

Believe me, I’m fine with him batting in the 7th spot. He hits into a lot of dp’s and Cameron’s going to have a better obp. He will definitely have his share of striking, but he’s a good fit at #2.

by brewfan2 on May 1, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ueck is a knowledgeable professional.

Thanks for the recap, ballhawk. It ws an interesting comment by Uecker.

by Fraggin Judge on May 2, 2008 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did not see the play...

...followed the game through Cubs Cubicle, but it was bad managerial move by Pinella to sub. Pie for Johnson…Probably cost us the game. The move makes no sense even if a ball doesn’t get hit to LF.

I didn’t realize that Gagne was pitching the 9th…I don’t trust Cedeno to steal a base so there’s no way I send him. Anyone trust worthy who is a decent runner I’d send. The bunt? Typically, no way, and you don’t expect Pie to GIDP. I don’t like bunting but for one run it can make sense. Given the horrid Gagne on the mound I’m okay with swinging away.

This was a real bummer of a loss. Plenty of blame to go around. Geeze I don’t want to see Soriano bat leadoff anymore, I know it’s one game but I’m sick of this crap, make him take his place down in the order for the TEAM.

by DudeVf11 on May 1, 2008 8:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Would you be in favor of...

1. DeRo
2. Riot/Cedeno
3. Lee
4. Ramy
5. Sori
6. Dome
7. Soto
8. Pie/Johnson

even though it moves Dome down to #6? Personally, I wouldn’t mind seeing Sori and Dome flip-flop, but it does leave the middle of the order without a LHB.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on May 1, 2008 9:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I actually don't want Soriano...

....in the middle of the order. Personally, I’d like to see him hit 7th.

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 2, 2008 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, no, no, no....

Dome is not a middle of the lineup guy, at least thus far. I think you’d want to go:

1.) Dome
2.) Derosa
3.) Lee
4.) Ramirez
5.) Soriano
6.) Soto
7.) Cedeno/Johnson
8.) Pie/Theriot
9.) P

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 2, 2008 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I'm confused. Yes, the 5-hole is

the middle of the lineup, but I put Dome in the leadoff spot, you’ll notice, not in the middle of the lineup. Sori is in the 5 hole, where I think he belongs. I also said Dome was not a middle of the lineup guy; I said nothing of the sort about Soriano (lemon20pie did).

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 2, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No worries.

Sorry if that came off snarky. Grading and writing for the last two weeks has made me a cranky bastard.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 2, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That IS a nice line-up....

but I think I would put young Geo between Lee and Ramirez and see what shakes out.

by crazymountain on May 2, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lou needs to think

When Pie went in, 1st thing I said to my 14 year old was why is Johnson not in left.

We need his glove, bat, speed and energy.

Sometimes I thing Lou and Sori are related !!!

Let’s go 17 – 12 in May and we can all forget today !!!

by parrotinct on May 1, 2008 9:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I would..

be in favor of it, but I like your second idea better, and have DeRo in the 6 spot. I don’t think it makes that much difference without having a LHB in the middle. A-Ram is going to hit no matter who’s bats in front or back of him. The consensus seems to be that Sori hits better leading off, but I say leave him in the 5 spot for awhile and see how it plays out. He may just get hot hitting there, who knows?

"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"

by Bump Bailey on May 1, 2008 9:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kerry Wood, the sacred cow

Can we please get real for a minute and stop denying and rationalizing. Kerry Wood is proving to be his same old enigmatic self from the past, only this time in the all important closer role. But ANYONE who dares critiques Wood or the role he shall serve on this ballclub is blasted. People come to his defense like no other Cub outside of Ron Santo.

A dose of reality. I like Kerry Wood. I admire Kerry Wood. At times I am awed by Kerry Wood. But I don’t for a minute believe I am the only person on the planet who went “oh shit, we’re up a creek without a paddle now” the second Wood hit Craig Counsell. When Wood was a healthy starting pitcher the pattern was forever one dominanting start followed by one awful start followed by one start where he would no hit the opposition for several innings before completely imploding. Now we are seeing the same troubling pattern all over again in the form of a closer.

Take Wood out of the closer’s role NOW. Make him the top setup man. Maybe it’s the pscyhological pressure. All I know is that sure cure recipe for another disappointing season is reliance on Wood as closer.

Carlos Marmol, your table is ready.

by MDBNIU on May 1, 2008 9:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

individually

all the words make sense, but when they’re put together like this, all we hear is blah, blah, blah.

Wood has time to prove himself in his new role. Not a lot, but some. He’s not a sacred cow. We’re just not as ready to throw him out as you appear to be.

But then… who will you complain about?

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 1, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

MDBNIU, The Prince of Tyrus in the flesh

The end is near, everyone. The time of judgement is near.

"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk

by NittanyCub on May 1, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shame on me

I should know better. Being critical of Kerry Wood is like open field tackling of the Pope. In other words, it’s to be shunned. Wood is a sacred cow and too many Cub fans will forever live in the memory of a 20 year old who struck out 20 in 1998. That one act granted him entire career immunity from criticism.

by MDBNIU on May 1, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm more concerned with your abilities

to pop up when exactly when the Cubs are losing. WIZARD, REVEAL YOURSELF!

"I think Hendry still has a few years to serve on his 'grand larceny' sentence before he can shop in Pittsburgh again" - ballhawk

by NittanyCub on May 1, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm mad today, so shoot me

I read Al’s recap of the game and am dumbfounded the minimal accountabilty handed Kerry Wood for today’s debacle. Instead the big theme is that Piniella was a dummy with his lineup switches.

Unbelievable. Wood can implode and everybody stumbles over themselves looking for other excuses. Like I said, Kerry Wood has been granted a lifetime of immunity from criticism. His striking out 20 at the age of 20 and his willingness to sign a new contract with the Cubs earned him more goodwill than Clint Eastwood among the townfolks after he mowed down all 253 bad guys with black hats.

by MDBNIU on May 1, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"You've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky"?

If not for some questionable defense, Wood and the Cubs might have had a better outcome today. Braun is a very good hitter, and the wind did us no favors…

"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"

by Bump Bailey on May 1, 2008 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heavens to mergatroid...

...and besides, the dog ate Kerry Wood’s homework.

by MDBNIU on May 1, 2008 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a Wood apologist, but that's true

Two fly balls that could have been caught. At least one that should have.

by Shanghai Badger on May 1, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's true that the defense failed Wood.

But it was Kerry who hit the first batter he faced.

by Fraggin Judge on May 2, 2008 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're always mad, MDBNIU

as I have said before, you are the sorriest SOB I have ever come across….I’d bet I could pick you out of a crowd even though I have only seen your writing…...

by crazymountain on May 1, 2008 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. It would be hard to miss this:

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 2, 2008 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marmol needs to be the closer

I know he is important in the 8th. BUT THE GUY IS UNHITABLE. Seriously, almost every time he comes in I feel like were guaranteed a strikeout each at bat. And Im not just going of this today, Wood has the stuff, but to me he looks nervous every single time he goes out there and that’s not what a closer should be like. Marmol has electric stuff and he needs to be the closer.

by Rezze21 on May 1, 2008 10:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i think Wood will succeed

in the setup role. He will be less nervous

by Rezze21 on May 1, 2008 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wood has pitched important games in the playoffs

he has had the weight of this organization on his back for quite some time, and the weight of “can he come back” as well.

I don’t see any support for the assertion that his problems are due to nervousness.

by TC Cubby on May 2, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Carlos Marmol deserves a shot to see if he has the moxy to be a successful closer. Our bullpen is in crisis state right now. This is a big test for Lou Piniella. The right thing to do is to shuffle the deck chairs. Give Marmol an audition at closer and move Wood into the key set-up role. Then demote Kevin Hart and get Scott Eyre back up here as soon as he is healthly. I don’t know what we do with Bob Howry. Or Michael Wuertz for that matter.

by MDBNIU on May 1, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How does any of that actually solve much?

Switching Marmol and Wood around isn’t going to fix our real problems in the pen, which are Wuertz and Howry. I know Wood was bad today so it’s timely to complain about him but our pen’s been stretched so thin and looked so crappy because Howry and Wuertz can’t be counted on, more than anything else.

Both have been completely ineffective, which is leading to things like overuse of Marmol and Lou having to use an inexperienced rookie like Hart in situations where he’d normally use Wuertz. Once those 2 pull it together (and they most likely will, since Howry in particular takes a while to get good every year), things will look up. Lou can just stick Hart in mop-up, as well as play around with who out of Marmol and Wood should close.

But until then, of course our pen will look rough—it’s like we’re basically down 2 solid relievers. And there’s no real way to solve it effectively. Demoting Hart is not gonna save the pen, probably won’t even make much a difference. Just like switching which particular innings out of the last 3 Wood and Marmol pitch won’t make a huge difference if Howry can’t help both of them out occasionally by effectively pitching either the 7th or 8th.

by ohboy on May 2, 2008 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beer on Braun

Al, I was at the game, sitting down the left field line. The Brewer fans were calling into TMJ complaining that people spilled beer on Braun when he went into the corner, I think for the Soto? ball. Did you see that? or did anyone else?

by MerigoldBowling on May 1, 2008 10:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I saw on it on TV

something landed to the left of him by about 5 feet. Stupid who ever did it.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on May 1, 2008 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't see that area from where we are...

... but it’s possible. There are idiots everywhere.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 2, 2008 4:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with wood is he throws and absolutely straight fastball, and MLB'ers can hit heat.

It’s guys like Marmol who have nasty movement on their fastball that are unhittable. When Kerry loses it, you can tell early.

Marmol is the friggin next big thing!!! Give him a shot!!

Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak

by ARAM FOR MVP on May 1, 2008 10:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If you think Wood throws

an “absolutely straight” fastball, you haven’t been paying attention. Watch a game.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 2, 2008 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which one of these isn't like the other?

My account is still jacked and I can’t make Fan Posts, so I’ll just leave this here.

You’d think clicking on the picture would take you to some website, but it doesn’t. Laaame.

Baseball is an allegorical play about America, a poetic, complex, and subtle play of courage, fear, good luck, mistakes, patience about fate, and sober self-esteem. -- Saul Steinberg

by bluebythebook on May 1, 2008 10:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why can't you make fanposts?

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 2, 2008 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good question.

Ever since the big site overhaul my account has been effed up. I can’t edit my profile, account settings, etc. make fanposts, or fan shots from my personal computer—but I can from other computers. Unfortunately, work has been cracking down on non-work related internet usage so I don’t have the option of doing said activities there. The SB Nation people can’t figure it out either, so I’m just S.O.L.

Baseball is an allegorical play about America, a poetic, complex, and subtle play of courage, fear, good luck, mistakes, patience about fate, and sober self-esteem. -- Saul Steinberg

by bluebythebook on May 2, 2008 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What happens when you try to change settings or make posts?

And what do the SBN people say?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 2, 2008 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A couple different things happen

When I attempt to edit my profile or account settings, I’m taken to the generic log in page despite already being logged in. When I log in again, I’m taken to the SBN home page, not the edit profile/account page.

When I attempt to make a Fan Post or Shot, I can actually navigate to the page to do so. But, as soon as I start typing in the Tags field, the page refreshes itself and the background turns black. After that, if I try to post it I get an error message or the log in page again.

I was in touch with SBN about this when the problem initially occurred, and then I didn’t hear from them for a few weeks. I emailed them again, and was told they couldn’t recreate the issue themselves and therefore didn’t know how to fix it, so my case was moved to the back burner. I was then told that they would take another attempt at trying to figure it out. That was a couple weeks ago.

Baseball is an allegorical play about America, a poetic, complex, and subtle play of courage, fear, good luck, mistakes, patience about fate, and sober self-esteem. -- Saul Steinberg

by bluebythebook on May 2, 2008 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is this the only site you have problems with?

When mine acts up, I do a few things, the most important one being defragging the registry. Well, there goes the first rule of troubleshooting down the tubes….I was assuming that you have a Windows box…..

by crazymountain on May 2, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it is.

I’ve tried everything I know to do: updated my browser, cleared my cache, defragged, tweaked my firewall settings, etc.

I do have a Windows box, but at least it doesn’t have Vista. ;-)

Baseball is an allegorical play about America, a poetic, complex, and subtle play of courage, fear, good luck, mistakes, patience about fate, and sober self-esteem. -- Saul Steinberg

by bluebythebook on May 2, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lucky you!!!

I built a computer just for my studio, recording and loop software only. The Vista works fine there, as it is limited in its function. HOWEVER, the Vista on this also freshly-built box really sucks. Bad choice on my part, seems that Vista cannot handle varied tasks.

by crazymountain on May 2, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Email them again.

Send screenshots of what happens to you. That’s what has been helpful to me when I’ve found bugs myself.

What browser are you using? If you are using IE6, there are known issues with IE6. I’d recommend upgrading to IE7.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 2, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I shall.

I won’t have a chance today, but I’ll try to get to it tonight.

I’m using the latest version of Firefox. I’ve encountered the issues using both IE and Firefox, too.

Baseball is an allegorical play about America, a poetic, complex, and subtle play of courage, fear, good luck, mistakes, patience about fate, and sober self-esteem. -- Saul Steinberg

by bluebythebook on May 2, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How bad was the Soriano "mis-play"?

I did not see the game live and all I saw were the “highlights.” When I heard the sports blab on the way home from work, I half expected Soriano to have been standing with his hands in his pants while the ball sailed over his head.

Maybe I’m wrong, and as I said, I only saw the Soriano “misplay” on the ABC 7 sports report, but it didn’t look as bad as I expected. Plus, Soriano is coming back from a leg injury.

Mind you, this comment is by a Sox fan and someone who’s been attacked here for criticizing Soriano’s defense.

by DrCrawdad on May 1, 2008 10:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I too only saw highlights, and based on that, it was bad but it wasn't his worse

good news is he didn’t get caught up twisting around. Bad news is it looked like he just sorta “drifted” back instead of “running” back. Maybe because of the leg injury, it’s tough right now to quickly accelerate, hence the drifting.

Frankly I thought Dome’s was worse. He went to his right for several steps before heading back to the wall. If he takes the diagonal back right from the start, he probably catches it. But I’d say this was the exception for Dome, whereas Soriano’s play seems to be the rule so far this season. I still think Soriano will get better out there – he was probably hyped up a little being his first day back. However, I also think that until he settles into a groove and gets comfortable out there, Lou and/or the coaches should be more forceful with their positioning strategy. i.e. somebody should have yelled at Soriano to play deeper.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 2, 2008 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

A good Defensive OF catches that ball but it wasn’t a horrendous play by Soriano or anything like the time in the playoffs against the DBacks when he was so afraid of running into the wall that he just gave up on the ball and all 4 limbs were used to brace him against the wall and the ball dropped about 3 feet below him bad. It was a hard hit ball that went over his head because he misjudged it, plain and simple.

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 2, 2008 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, which is why..

... he needs to be out of the game for defense by the 9th inning.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 2, 2008 4:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And windy has ...

Was it windy yesterday?

by DrCrawdad on May 2, 2008 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, it was, more so later than earlier.

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 2, 2008 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Y'all will hate me for this...

The loss falls on Lou and the staff. The minute that first player stood on first base, all outfielders should have been playing with their backs on the wall. The wind was howling straight out and those dinky flies were carried. If the outfielders were playing back, we would not be blaming Soriano or Dome. And, when was the last time Wood pitched? He should have had an inning in last night’s blow out.

by crazymountain on May 1, 2008 11:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree, well sorta

Lou had a couple more brain farts today like when he switched Pie in for Johnson he should’ve just moved Johnson over to left for Soriano and kept Pie in CF for Defensive purposes with the Cubs up by 2 runs. But it wasn’t Lou who got rocked in the 9th inning and hit a batter and walked a batter. If Wood does his job, we’re all talking about the Cubs winning 100 games and running away with the Division.

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 2, 2008 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Wood cannot escape his responsibility, nor is he trying to. He was very candid and open in his post-game comments. He knows he must do better.

by Fraggin Judge on May 2, 2008 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Wood is a standup guy and knows he threw poorly. However, if the outfielders would have been backed up, both those balls would have been caught. Man, isn’t managing from these chairs after the fact easy? Fun too…...

by crazymountain on May 2, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more thing before I put the kevlar on....

Soriano is a 6 time all star. He has never, as sue(three numbers) pointed out, thrown a tantrum, has always said Lou is the manager and it is his job to do what Lou says. Oh, and did Soriano yell and scream and say “if I don’t get 136 million, I’m gonna cry”? Baseball salaries have been the fault of the owners who are throwing money around like it was confetti. A-Rod was given a $250 Million contract…..that is 1/4 of a BILLION…..Don’t blame the players or hold their salaries against them. There is NO ONE on this site who would have said “man, I just don’t think it is fair that I make Millions of $$$ for playing a game, here, take it back”.....

I think we all need some perspective here.

by crazymountain on May 1, 2008 11:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

May 2nd

And I am sure the Cubs will have another tough loss like this one. Really have to move on and get the Cards this weekend.
Couple of things: Dome was safe at home.
Woods sliders were flat as pita bread.
Soriano should of caught the ball.
Theriot is a average fielding ss.
Cubs lost, not individuals, take two out 3 this weekend

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on May 1, 2008 11:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Like your point

and love your attitude, Grock. It was indeed a team, not an individual, loss. Now, ever onward. I’m going to be really optimistic and hope for a sweep.

by Emelie on May 2, 2008 5:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

let’s start St. Louis’ fall from the top of the division this weekend

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 2, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off to St.Louis.....

But before I go…........ I really like the pitcher hitting eighth…...Kendall was in and come through in several situations on Wednesday night and today…..I just like all the possiblities that presents themselves over the course of the game…. Give Toney his due, I do…..As for Jason Kendall and his new found success at tossing out runners…..may not the Brewer pitchers doing a better job checking the runners then his former team did…....it takes to to tango they say….......

by James031 on May 2, 2008 12:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

For anyone that saw the game...

So I didn’t get to see or listen to the game, just read the recap and some of the dry Gameday play-by-play for scoring innings. The bottom of the sixth… damn. It looks like we left runs out there, and if anyone who was there could help me understand what happened that would be great. So.

It looks like: Riot singled to lead off. Lee hit a ground ball to short and beat the throw to first but Riot tried to go all the way to third but Fielder threw him out. Maybe he got in a rundown or something and Lee scooted over to second. Then Ramirez drew a walk. Says Dome got an infield single to the pitcher. Was this just one of those random squibs where nobody had a good play on it? Did Gallardo try to get Lee or Ramy and throw late? Of course, you can’t say Riot would have necessarily scored on that play because with the bases loaded the defensive alignment would have been different, almost surely better able to handle a squib hit… also the pitching and hitting strategies would have been different. Anyway, then DeRo hit a sac fly and Soto came up with a double, and Dome got nabbed at the plate trying to score from first to end the inning. Was that play close?

It sounds like the Cubs ran into two outs in the inning. Now generally I think it’s OK to be aggressive towards the plate with 2 outs, if you have a good chance of scoring. If he really did have a good chance and was cut down by a great throw, fine. I’m initially down on Theriot for getting thrown out at third… never want to make the first or third out at third base… but maybe there was a good reason he was trying for it. Anyone see it? Overall, the Cubbies sent 6 to the plate and only one made an out with the bat. That should be the beginning of a big inning, not an entire inning in which two runs were scored.

Then in the 8th Dome got picked off to end the frame… which means on his 4-4 day he ran into two outs. Though, strategically, trying to get into scoring position with two outs is a good idea. So at least the two outs he ran into were in the process of trying to do the right thing (in a very general sense).

by aldimond on May 2, 2008 1:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Right

Theriot made an absolute baseball sin there and made the first out at 3rd base, with the heart of the order coming up. Sure it took a great play and absolutely perfect throw to get him, but you NEVER try advancing to third with nobody out, unless you are certain you’re going to make it, especially with the heart of the order coming up. Can’t do stupid things like that and expect to win tight games against good teams.

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 2, 2008 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He didn't run into an out at the plate.

He was clearly safe, was tagged on the shoulder when his feet had already crossed the plate. That umpire also had an inconsistent strike zone (for both sides) and pitches were swung at because they had been called strikes earlier. On right hand hitters the ump mistook the chalk of the left handed box for the outside corner….

by crazymountain on May 2, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Denials aside, there are things to be concerned about.

First, Kerry Wood has blown too many saves already. Our choices are: (1) Either Kerry turns that around, or (2) we resign ourselves to a rollercoaster ride like the one we rode with Dempster and Borowski closing, or (3) someone else becomes the closer. (Mármol? Who will throw in the 7th or 8th then? Will Wood blow the game in those innings instead of the 9th?)

Second, I am afraid that inserting Soriano in the leadoff spot will kill the team’s offense. He is not helping out there. We need to make better use of Soriano’s power because it is evident he will not learn to be a patient hitter and will not be on base as needed. Furthermore he is not a threat to run nowadays after all the leg injuries. And right now he is not hitting.

Other bad things happened in this game. Bad defense; bad base running (Theriot), as pointed out by others. We need to keep an eye on those too to see if they keep happening or not.

by Fraggin Judge on May 2, 2008 1:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I really don't think we have a choice but for Kerry

to be the closer. Marmol is very good coming into tight situations with men on base and getting out of trouble. I don’t see Kerry coming into a tight game with men on base and struggling with his control or having one of his moments. I still think that the best situation for Kerry is to come into the game with nobody on base and that’s the 9th inning. We have to just hope he can pull it off.

Over time, your quickness with a cocky rejoinder must have gotten you many punches in the face - Al Swearengen

by lemon20pie on May 2, 2008 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tend to agree with you on this.

So, it’s probably going to be a rollercoaster ride again, unless Kerry can get a grip of the closing role.

by Fraggin Judge on May 2, 2008 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are right, Marmol is fearless coming in with men on base, game on the line.

And concerning Soriano, I just read a column where a radio interview with Quade was quoted. Now I hate to give credence to a sportswriter, but the quote was that Soriano had lost a step and a half. IF that is the case then there is NO reason for Soriano to be in the top of the line-up…..

by crazymountain on May 2, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't Panic!

The ‘pen should still be a strength for the Cubs. You get funny #s in April. They’ve thrown so few innings that it’s not time to panic there and I would hate to see us trade for a reliever when relief should still be a strength. Isringhausen has a worse ERA than Woody so far.

Second, there’s a good post on the Soriano Absence Leadoff myth that you should check out: http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2008/5/1/471046/the-soriano-absence-leadof

I really wish it would get two more recommendations, because BeltWayCubsFan makes some excellent points there.

by DGU on May 2, 2008 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok...

I am as pissed off as everyone about this loss but let’s realize- we are in the best spot we have been in for a long time at the end of April, and we have also been on the flip side of a lot of these late inning comebacks…Today was disappointing as HELL, but we will bounce back!

Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on May 2, 2008 1:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

In enemy land I wander

I rode a train full of Cardinals fans the other day, excited about the day game victory they had just witnessed. I noticed that another guy on the train was wearing a black Cubs hat. He had come from the game, too, but subtly let his loyalty show.

I said, “We’re in enemy territory” while being squished against more Cardinals fans than I care to think about.
“You can tell?”
“Yeah, I saw your hat.”
“You’re only the second person who’s noticed.”
Afterwards, I announced to the train that I was a Cubs fan. The groans filled the train’s compartment. It made me smile.

Anyways, I will be going to the game tomorrow night, and maybe take some pictures. Weather looks hideous, but I’ll be out there in my #16, lower level, blue home cap on, and probably arguing balls and strikes from 150 feet. It’s going to be great. Go Cubs!

"I tell you, Steve Blass, you pitch me inside, they never, never find that ball."
-Roberto Clemente

by cubbybear on May 2, 2008 2:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Opening Deja Vu

I thought I might see this headling for today’s post, Al. 3 runs by the Brewers in the 9th against Kerry Wood had that feel to it.

As for seeing the Chiefs at Wrigley, it should be a fun time. I just saw them here in mid-Michigan. They are pretty raw, but Ryno’s teaching them the right way. I can imagine that there will be well in excess of 10,000 fans, just to get to see Ryno up close.

Leave it to the Cubs to find a way to make major league profits from a minor league product!

Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (#13031 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list...)

by Zeke on May 2, 2008 6:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Explain This To Me

We pursue Brian Roberts as a leadoff man after we paid all the money for one… who I don’t think is really one….... Now …... we get a leadoff hitter with a good OBP dropped
in our lap (Johnson) and we are back to Fonse…... he needs to bat 9th after the pitcher
until he gets 100% then he can bat where he should have from the beginning 3rd.
Pie – Iowa or if it up to me ….. trade….. he is the new “K”orey
Lets forget yesterday S* Happens we will win one like this somewhere along the way

by nimblenikelfoos on May 2, 2008 7:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Who needs to sit out a few games?

All the finger pointing towards Wood, Soriano, Theriot, (even Dome, gasp!), but noone seems to want to address the consistently poor performance from Pie in CF. Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy, and want him to do well. I know he’s been Lou’s ‘project’ thus far, but how much longer can he afford to stick with Pie? Most Cub fans are accustomed to the ‘Just Wait – He’ll Get Better’ theory (Dunston, Patterson, etc), only to witness failure (to live up to the hype/expectations/potential). Maybe a month into this season isn’t a large enough sample size. Fukodome, on the other hand, is an example of a player that is exceeding most everyone’s expectations in the same length of time. If some of it doesn’t rub off on Pie, I’d rather not have to wait out another 3-4 seasons just to find out that Pie didn’t have what it takes.

"I have not failed. I have merely identified seven hundred twenty three ideas that didn't work"

by redivycubs on May 2, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pie isn't getting regular ABs.

He rarely plays and more often than not as a defensive replacement. Small sample size and, when he does play, he bats 8th. Unless I am mistaken, the last game he started he was 2 for 5.

by crazymountain on May 2, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Considering the number of at bats he has had...

and the time Lou and Perry have dedicated to Félix Pie, I think he has until the beginning of June to shape up or be shipped out by the trade deadline. However, to be fair, we should recognize that the guy is valuable as a defensive replacement late in the game, if Lou decides to use him as that. Offensively, just look at the 19 runs game the other night. Everyone got a hit except Pie (0 for 4).

by Fraggin Judge on May 2, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahh, the morning after...

still feeling horrible as I did on the drive home from work yesterday. I agree that Lou should have would have could have put Johnson in LF, but hindsight is always 20/20. Soriano’s return was a complete disappointment and his leadoff capabilities will need to be seriously evaluated. Wood will be fine and a change this early in the season is not warranted. It happens to the best of them and I have COMPLETE faith that he will rebound and be the shutdown closer that everyone wants him to be. This was such a deflating loss, but hopefully the team puts it behind them quickly. On to the Birds…

You ARE freaking out MAN!

by crw89 on May 2, 2008 8:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I almost am on the same page w/ you...

But I’m still fuming right now and I think rightfully so. Will I get over it w/ a W tonight? Of course and I strongly believe we’ll all look back at this game as a turning point. But it was an all-around team loss yesterday. I’d have to lay much of the blame on Wood although I do agree he will turn this thing around. Some of the questions and concerns I had though….
- Cedeno never took more than 2 steps off of first base, I was literally screaming at him to at least (apparently he couldn’t hear me) get Gagne to look at him. After the second pitch Gagne didn’t seem to even care. Soto also has to take the bat off his shoulder.
- Soriano, if he does stay at the top, HAS to look at more pitches. I believe his first 3 AB’s he swung at the second pitch for infield GO’s Each time. But even after the game said, “It doesn’t matter..That’s my game I’m fine.” He also claimed he had a good jump on the ball in the 9th which was wrong….If you’re not gonna admit your faults, at least correct them. (A 1 or 2 game rehab I think is still necessary)
- Fukudome was safe, oh well, umps were horrible
- How asinine was it for Gallardo to stay in the game? I hope he’s alright….against other teams that is.
- If you do put Marmol as the closer, who becomes the stopper in the 7th/8th?

Oh well, till tonight. Let’s go get em.

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on May 2, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You would think

Gallardo being only 22 years old coming off knee surgery on the left leg and looking like he just tore something on the right knee, you would at least just take him out and check it out. But Yost doesn’t mind risking the carrer of a young pitcher who could have very good years ahead of him.

Thats why they pay Yost the big bucks!

by miamicanes on May 2, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Yost is reckless also....

and that is why he needs a 12,093 man bullpen. Gallardo has the makings of a great pitcher and Yost leaves him out there after hyperextending his push-off leg? Stupid and dangerous for the young man.

by crazymountain on May 2, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It amazes me

that Milwaukee management puts up Yost disregard for his players, especially the pitching staff. Sheets comes off an injury, Yost lets him throw 108 (!) pitches; Gallardo twists his knee, Yost trots him right back out there. It’s working in April, but those chickens may come home to roost later on in the season.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 2, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yost Is Toast When...

(or if) the Brewers don’t make the postseason this year. Just a harmless prediction.

by SecondSon on May 2, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should've been toast last season.

He probably cost them the division.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 2, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too true...

and Sheets was very uncomfortable. I have NEVER seen him miss his spots so much…

by crazymountain on May 2, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's One Loss, I bet we have a few more this year.

Lets go down to the river-rat city known as St. Louis and take this loss out on them this weekend. The past few years the Cubs have had the Cards number lets keep that trend going!

by miamicanes on May 2, 2008 10:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lose a few more games like that to the contenders in our division...

and the Cubs will be looking at the playoffs on TV, instead of playing in them.

by Fraggin Judge on May 2, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

18 Hours Later

I’ve gone from fuming along with Lou to feeling disappointed along with the rest of BCB. I don’t think this will have the lasting sting of the Shea Stadium Debacle from the 2nd to last weekend in 04, but it still has me shaking my head.

Kerry Wood: I love his heart and his willingness to be the stand-up guy in the clubhouse. Between him and the USC graduate, I’ve personally preferred Woody and I’m glad he’s been able to come back from his arm woes. I think he’s a lot like DeRo, another guy who gets the whole Cubs history and what the team means to the city and fans. Also like DeRo, Woody seems struggles when he game is on the line because he gets so psyched up and wants to give 600 percent. Can anything be done to get these guys to just focus on the play or pitch at hand without the burden of goats and black cats and Padres and Marlins?

Alfonso Soriano: it’s hard to dispute the better OBP numbers he puts up at the top of the lineup. Relative to himself, he hits best when leading off. But relative to the other guys on the club, his OBP is last among all the regular starters. I think there can be a happy medium whereby Lou puts Sori in the 6-hole for the current time being and then, as he and the weather warms up, move him higher up in the order. Conversely, if and when Sori starts to slump then move him down in place of better OBPs.

This weekend: expectations are dangerous things, however I expect the Cubs’ offense to net us at least one victory in St. Louis. Maybe two if the starters really step it up.

by SecondSon on May 2, 2008 10:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't have said it any better.

Wood and Dero Should shave their heads. It’s worked for Z.

/That’s all I’ve got

"In all the categories that you pay the most attention to, except the loss column, we're doing very well" - Jim Hendry

by Jayo525 on May 2, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Whatever it takes!

by SecondSon on May 2, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gallardo Torn ACL

Out for the rest of the year. Nice knowing ya, Ned!

by SecondSon on May 2, 2008 2:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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