The Complaint Department Is Closed
- Ryan Dempster needs, needs, absolutely needs to throw more strikes. Even before he walked two in a row, forcing in one run and setting up a second run scoring on a bases-loaded groundout, he had run a lot of full counts early and threw an alarmingly high total of 118 pitches. The boxscore shows 70 strikes, only three hits and two walks and seven strikeouts, but this wasn't Dempster's finest hour.
- What was Alfonso Soriano still doing in the game after the six-run seventh? He was running very slowly chugging into second after his RBI double, again running slowly around third scoring on Ryan Theriot's hit, and we saw him holding the back of his right quad in the outfield when he came out for the 8th. He'd gone 3-for-4 up to that point, hitting the ball solidly, and the Cubs had a five-run lead. There's no reason he should have stayed in.
- The Cubs ran themselves out of three rallies, twice getting runners thrown out at the plate (though I too would have sent Reed Johnson on Derrek Lee's fly ball to Justin Upton in the 5th).
- What was Carlos Marmol doing in the game in the 9th with a five-run lead? He threw only 12 pitches yesterday, true, but with a five-run lead, that's the perfect opportunity to get Chad Fox some work. Or Sean Gallagher. Lou and the staff constantly talk -- correctly -- about the starters' failure to consistently get to the 7th inning, and that's why they have so many relief pitchers. Well then, use them when the situation calls for it!
OK, I'm done now, because as the title of this post says, the complaint department is closed after the Cubs mounted one of their most impressive comebacks of the season, a six-run rally off Chad Qualls (who was 0-3 despite allowing only two earned runs all year -- he had allowed six unearned runs -- before today) and Brandon Medders, who came in after Qualls had allowed hits to four of the first five batters he faced (the other one, Reed Johnson, sacrificed -- a really nicely laid down bunt which he almost beat out. The Cubs executed two nice sac bunts today, the other by Dempster). All six hits in the inning were solidly hit, capped by the two-run homer, his second of the year -- to the opposite field -- by Kosuke Fukudome, that put the game out of reach.
Scott Eyre got the win in his first appearance of the season, a well-pitched inning. Bob Howry also threw an efficient inning (12 pitches, 9 strikes), and Marmol wasn't overtaxed, throwing only 14 pitches. I still don't quite see the point of his appearance, though.
Back to Fukudome for a moment. Every single day, quietly most days, some not (as today with the HR), he is reaching base at what, for a Cub, is an unaccustomed pace. In 35 games (he sat one out), he has 43 hits and 22 walks -- 67 times reached base, averaging nearly two times on base every game, and now with triple-slash stats of .321/.416./.473.
Just very, very impressive. I still think he belongs in the leadoff slot -- but today, everything went the way it was supposed to, and this is what good teams do, come back even when down, when blowing a lead and not looking good, and so far, the supposedly "invincible" Diamondbacks have been shut down in the first two games of the series, scoring only three runs. A couple of D'backs fans sat down near us today after my friends Brian & Kristy (who had brought their 9-month-old baby girl to her first Cubs game) had to leave. They got pretty quiet during that 7th-inning Cub rally, but I gave them a BCB card. If you two are reading this, welcome.
Tomorrow's Z-Randy Johnson pitching matchup could be a good one, but the weather forecast doesn't look good:
Sunday: Showers. High near 50. Breezy, with a north northeast wind around 25 mph, with gusts as high as 40 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%.
What do you expect? It's Mother's Day, when the weather's always rotten when the Cubs are scheduled at home. I'm off to the Police concert. Till tomorrow, and yes, I'll stop complaining. Celebrate the win!
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100 percent rain
well that will be interesting.
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
by Chanman25 on May 10, 2008 6:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
....and its not going to be as warm
as the M-day’s game that had three rain delays and extra innings against the Rockies a few years ago.
by blackhawk24 on May 10, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always love the "100%" chance...
...not really 100% until it’s ACTUALLY RAINING.
Dan
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by dtpollitt on May 10, 2008 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I literally split my sides laughing at that one… ;-)
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by ballhawk on May 10, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda like predicting the future. There's always a 100% chance of you being right...when you predict *what's happening right now*.
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by dtpollitt on May 10, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll just comment on the bullets
Just having got home after a big b-day win, here’s my take.
Dempster does need some more strikes in some areas but he needs the put-away pitch. Whether more effective than what he has or a variant of a pitch, he needs to locate just off the plate too. Don’t know what Demuth was seeing on that ball 3 just above the knees over the middle of the plate though.
I’ll take it that Fonzie was still in the game because he was OK – slow – but not hurting. He looked like he was galloping like a gazelle coming home on that play.
I too would have sent Johnson but D-Lee has to take a pitch or two here. Riot was just hit and IMHO think the kid on the mound was a little rattled. He’s in trouble, not the batter. Make him work.
I would have left Howry in there instead of Marmol and just consider Howry the one reliever that can’t go tomorrow. Now…..if both Howry and Marmol are considered good to go tomorrow, then no harm, no foul.
by blackhawk24 on May 10, 2008 6:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess...
... it just seemed that situation was perfect for Fox or Gallagher, to get an inning in with a non-pressure situation.
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by Al on May 10, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if
Lou’s prediliction towards sticking with the hot hands means that it’s even harder for a new pitcher to get a chance with him. Fox has looked only ok; Gallagher is still taking the Iowa stickers off his luggage.
Also, I think Lou wanted to be sure. Marmol makes you sure.
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by drewishdrewid on May 10, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your last statement
To me, Lou wanted NO DOUBT about this win, no chance of the D Backs coming back to steal this one.
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by BigJohnAZ on May 10, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah -
I think the sweep in the playoffs stuck in Lou’s craw – so he played as if these were playoff games, must-wins, using what he thought was his best lineup each day.
by DGU on May 10, 2008 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
getting the sweep here tomorrow
shows this team that they CAN beat them in the playoffs, too.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 10, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta show them
you can beat them. Best way IS beating them.
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by BigJohnAZ on May 10, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou knew it was going to rain today so why take a chance
He is that far ahead of you all.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on May 11, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In addition to being sure...
Lou also might have been thinking about the weather forecast for tomorrow, i.e. good chance of a rainout. And even if they do play, Z is pitching so he might be banking on at least 7 innings from Z. Plus, Monday’s game is at night, so there’s a few more hours of rest.
But basically, yeah – Lou’s still pissed about last year. Or to quote Dean Vernon Marmol – “The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.” ;-)
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by ballhawk on May 10, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Timely quote
I like it.
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by BigJohnAZ on May 10, 2008 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im starting to think i cant watch anymore games on TV
Cause ive missed my first 2 games of the entire year cause of work these past 2 days, and they have been monster wins. GO CUBBIES!!!!!!!!!
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by Rudey on May 10, 2008 6:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right.
It’s Gameday for you!
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by Al on May 10, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just happy
I broke my streak of watching games that we lost. I was gone from April 12-25, and the Cubs go on that monster run, I get back and, well, it was bad. But now, it’s good again. :)
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 10, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course i got mothers day off
but i got enough confidence in my cubbies to overcome my watching curse.
Z vs. Randy?
If i missed this game and had the opportunity to i might need a cat scan. Ill be watching :P
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by Rudey on May 10, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dempster’s problem has always been command. It’s the only thing keeping him from becoming a top pitcher because his stuff has always been good.
I agree about Marmol. Every pitched saved on his arm is going to help in Sept/Oct. Why not just just let Howry go another inning or bring in someone else. That is frustraing.
I think Soriano sometimes runs in “protect mode” . I don’t think he was hurting.
A comeback win against any team is great, but against a good team like the D-Backs, it’s awesome!i
by alexinSac on May 10, 2008 6:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Soriano sometimes runs in "protect mode" .
It’s great to watch him accelerate tho, when he’s told to.
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by drewishdrewid on May 10, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Kennedy mentioned Soriano's slow pace in the Fox broadcast after the game ended, too.
He said he initially thought Soriano was hurt but if he stayed in the game it’s obvious he wasn’t injured.
by Fraggin Judge on May 10, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Lou isnt stupid
If Soriano said he was hurt or Lou saw he was hurt there is no way he would be sent out there to play.
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by Rudey on May 10, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...but why did he slow up rounding 3rd??
I didn’t like that. Pull your damn $136,000,000 dollar man when that happens and you’re up by 4, or 5.
Dan
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by dtpollitt on May 10, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
it was so that he could see where the ball was. Unlike the other play, don’t think he knew as well where the ball was.
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by drewishdrewid on May 10, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he thought that they would conced the run
or because it was hit so sharply, he may have been waiting for the stop sign.
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by BigJohnAZ on May 10, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In cricket
when trying to run two (equivalent of advancing two bases), the conventional wisdom is “always run the first one flat out, just in case there is a chance of a second”. However, at the level I play at (hey, I AM over 50), it tends to be more a case of “take it steady on the first one, you might need the energy to run a second”. Maybe that’s how Soriano approaches it. He does seem to like to get the job done with the minimum of effort.
by simonuk on May 11, 2008 6:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally in agreement, Al.
Use the pitchers wisely, Lou.
Also, to further your point: Think how many more runs Soriano could have batted in with his good hitting today if he were batting lower in the order.
At last, someone else is picking up the offense while D. Lee slumps. Hopefully, Lee will snap out of it soon.
And seriously, folks, can we cut off some slack to Theriot? Yes, he’s being caught stealing too many times but he’s being aggressive. And he’s hitting. Today, he even brought his glove to make an excellent defensive play at SS. The guy is hot and deserves to be the Cubs’ everyday SS.
Finally, in a lighter note, I’m sorry that those watching on TV had to endure the replay of Mark Grace singing the 7th inning stretch, but I guess Fox had to promote their “analyst”. Since the Cubs rally in the 7th started while we heard Grace “sing”, consider it a good luck charm. ;-)
by Fraggin Judge on May 10, 2008 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't really predict
Soriano knocking in more runs, after the first inning, he really doesn’t leadoff, so who knows what the situation is going to be.
I agree why bash Theriot he is playing well, sure he has no cannon at SS, but he is doing a pretty good job overall.
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by Grockcubs on May 10, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about Theriot
not having a cannon arm, but he made at least two nice plays out there today. He showed some range, too.
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by BigJohnAZ on May 10, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had to work
followed the game on the computer, so could not get a good feel for the game as you folks who watched or saw it live.
I just like the idea of Soriano got 4 hits, Dempster threw well except for the one inning ( yes walks kills him and the Cubs, but you have to admit he has throw well to this point) Dome is just damn good, Lou, why not Pie today you know Randy Johnson was starting on Sunday and Pie was not going to start, come on Lou play Pie. And it seems Lou has fallen in love with Marmol
Overall great game, and maybe just maybe the Soriano bashing will cease.
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by Grockcubs on May 10, 2008 6:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And Pie, obviously, is in Lou's doghouse.
A newspaper mentioned this week that Pie would probably be demoted to AAA to work on his hitting.
by Fraggin Judge on May 10, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell has he done?
Try starting 3 games a week if that and get into some kind of groove. It is BS if he is sent down.
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by Grockcubs on May 10, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
Two righties in a row and no sign of Pie? Especially since he’s hitting righties (lately) a lot better than Johnson.
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by CubsBullsBears on May 10, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou supposedly makes Pie his project
and he only plays a couple times a week? What kind of success is the poor kid gonna show? Play him, let him prove you wrong. If he doesn’t hit, it shouldn’t damage teh team’s chance of winning, we have too many weapons. When you have a team like ours, you can afford to let him get better. Fonzie hasn’t hit a lick all year until recently, and he’s out there every game. If Pie starts hitting, boy, what a bonus that is, and what a juggernaut this team could be.
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by BigJohnAZ on May 10, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better idea
Send Lou to AAA to work on his managing of young players.
by DGU on May 10, 2008 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Host a clinic for Lou and Dusty?
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by dtpollitt on May 10, 2008 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe there's something in the [dugout] water...
I’m drawing a blank here – whoever managed previous to Dusty, did they also major in youth mismanagement?
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by ballhawk on May 10, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dempster
I thought Dempster was really good today. In fact I thought he was spectacular through the first 5 IP. He had thrown 86 pitches and 53 for strikes. I generally assume that as long as a pitcher is throwing more than 60% of his pitches for strikes, then that is acceptable, especially if he’s only allowed one hit. I agree that when Dempster gets in jams he typically has to throw alot more pitches to get out of them. I think that probably has to do with the transition he is making. He is more careful than most pitchers. His careful approach has kept him from giving up any big innings but has required more help from the bullpen. I really like the approach myself and am really feeling confident with him taking the mound.
As far as Soriano is concerned, I think with him struggling at the plate so much this year, anytime you see a player having some success at the plate in a particular game, let him go out there and keep building on that. That last hit wasn’t important to the ballgame but it may have really helped his confidence carry over to the next game.
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by TXCub on May 10, 2008 7:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good comment
+ rep
:p
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by Rudey on May 10, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhere out there, Mario Mendoza is one happy man...
He finally got his line back. Congrats Fonzie – may you never see the south side of .200 the rest of this season.
Oh, btw – I heard a rumor that Tuesday night’s giveaway (Soriano bobblehead) is not really a bobblehead. It’s a bobblefoot – it hops when you tap it…
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by ballhawk on May 10, 2008 7:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to shabby
I like I like
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by Rudey on May 10, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you put a link to that in...
the other day when somone used that as a reference I had to google it to find out what it meant. One thing I love about BCB… always learning something.
by Madison Cub Fan on May 10, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now!!! According to weather.com its down to 90%!!
Thats barely an A!!! (I’m driving three hours to attend the game, I’m pulling at straws of optimisim…...
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by Walker71421 on May 10, 2008 7:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Al, a couple of minor comments on your recap
I wasn’t there at the game, but on TV I was not happy they sent Johnson, when to me, the ball looked like in very shallow right field. You still have big bats coming up and why tempt a momentum turn? As soon as I saw he was running, I knew he would be out at home.
Dempster should have been out of that bases loaded inning, he got squeezed on a couple. You could tell he was gassed and his pitches were straying. If the home plate ump calls that seemingly low pitch a strike, inning over, no harm done.
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by BigJohnAZ on May 10, 2008 7:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it was shallow...
... but it still took a perfect throw from Upton to get Johnson. Tip your cap to the other guy, but I still would have sent Johnson.
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by Al on May 11, 2008 4:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess, since Upton bobbled a ball earlier in the game
and it still took a good play by Snyder as the throw was up the first base line. If the throw was where it should have been, Johnson would have been out by 20 feet instead of 15 lol
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by BigJohnAZ on May 11, 2008 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know a popular question around here is, "Will a top-shelf starter be available at the deadline?"
I think the answer could be yes – the Jays were in a massive tailspin even before now, and with Vernon Wells breaking his wrist, it seems likely that the only thing that could prevent the Jays from being sellers is the fact that J.P. Riccardi is not a good GM.
And if the Jays are sellers, A.J. Burnett should be available. He won’t be cheap.
by cwyers on May 10, 2008 7:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I gather by you posting this, that you feel Burnett has credible numbers?
My baseball sense is tingling… I know he was “hot” a few years ago but I just don’t get good vibes from him now. Are his numbers worth paying a high price for? Would they translate well into the NL? Or does he fall into the “we’ll pay market value for him but not going to get robbed” category…
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by ballhawk on May 10, 2008 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Cot's Contracts...
...
A.J. Burnett rhp
5 years/$55M (2006-10)
- signed as a free agent 12/05
- $6M signing bonus
- 06:$1M, 07:$12M, 08:$12M, 09:$12M, 10:$12M
- Burnett may opt out of the contract after 2008
- limited no-trade clause allowing Burnett to block deals to 15 clubs
- deal includes 8 round-trip limousine trips per season between Toronto & Burnett’s Maryland home for his wife
- 1 year/$3.65M (2005), avoided arbitration 1/05
o $0.15M in performance bonuses:
+ $50,000 each for 190, 200 & 210 IP - 1 year/$2.5M (2004), avoided arbitration 12/03
- 1 year/$2.5M (2003), lost arbitration 2/03 ($3.075M-$2.5M)
- 1 year/$0.3675M (2002)
- agent: Darek Braunecker & Mark Rodgers
- ML service: 8.038
So…two years, $24 million? I’m not a contract/trade specialist, but does that look right?
I like A.J., and for $24 million, that could be worth it. Not sure who the Jays would want, but probably not Pie, considering they do have Rios and Wells.
Burnett reminds me of your stereotypical hard thrower – strikes out a lot, walks too many, and eats up innings. Here’s his baseball reference page.
Dan
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by dtpollitt on May 10, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burnett has an opt-out clause...
...and is widely assumed to be exercising it after the season. So we’d have him for half a season for about $6 mil.
His ERA is an unsightly 5.19 right now, but looking at K/BB/HR rates, he should turn it around, and would probably benefit immensely facing the DHless NL Central. Off the cuff, I’d say something like a 3.50 ERA.
I’m not arguing that he’s worth what the Jays would ask for him in trade – there’s no way he would be, really. But if the Cubs were looking for real, top-shelf pitching come the All-Star Break, that’s looking like what there would be.
by cwyers on May 10, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming Burnett is available -
Why not trade him Pie and Cedeno? We’re not going to use them anyway. It’s a trade we’d “lose” by most definitions, but Pie and Cedeno don’t have a role on a Lou Piniella Cub team, so send them over the border where we don’t have to watch how good they become.
by DGU on May 10, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AH,
Isn’t it great being an average Major League Pitcher, what a deal. Who is his agent?
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by Grockcubs on May 10, 2008 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looks well above average to me.
ERA+ the past four seasons (not 2008):
119
115
115
112
Looks like a very solid pitcher to me.
by cwyers on May 10, 2008 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The main concern with Burnett
is his health IMO. He’s not a Mark Prior or Rich Harden type of gamble, but he has missed 8-12 starts in most years.(like Ben Sheets) I would hate to trade for Burnett and have him get hurt in early September and we gave up all this talent for nothing.
by cubsfan25 on May 11, 2008 2:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JPs job is on the line.
Reloading is not an option. He signs Bonds.
by DGU on May 10, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what purpose??
They just got rid of Frank Thomas!!
Dan
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by dtpollitt on May 10, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the purpose of winning
- they just lost Vernon Wells. Rios slides to CF and then you watch to see who shags fly balls better – Bonds or Stairs in LF.
Either JP packs it in for this season and makes Burnett and others available, or he does everything he can to salvage this season – which would mean signing the best LH hitter in baseball. It’s hard to pack it in when losing again this season could mean losing your job.
by DGU on May 10, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes no sense. NONE.
Get rid of Frank Thomas – for being a headcase – and then sign the biggest headcase of all? And you think Bonds is single-handedly bring them out of the cellar? Maybe in a crappy division, but this idea is completely ridiculous in the AL East. Signing one player – any player – isn’t going to bring them outta the gutter.
Dan
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by dtpollitt on May 10, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plenty of teams overestimate the amount of hope left to them.
I’m pretty confident that the Jays are done right now, but it’s possible that the Jays will disagree. Riccardi hasn’t shown himself to be the sharpest pencil in the drawer, and he could be down to his last out, so to speak. So you can’t rule out a stupid attempt to contend this season despite the evidence.
That said, I don’t see Bonds being a match for them, now or ever. You’re right – releasing Thomas signals the sort of “solution” they’re interested in, and it’s not an aging slugger who’s a clubhouse cancer.
by cwyers on May 10, 2008 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Releasing Thomas
very likely had to do with the clause in Thomas’ contract that gave him a contract for next year if he had a certain # of PAs. Bonds won’t have that. Plus, the solution was supposed to be Adam Lind, but then Lind hit worse than Reed Johnson against RHP (tough to do) and was sent back down – so they signed Brad Wilkerson and traded for Kevin Mench – before Vernon went down. If all this doesn’t strike you as desperate straw-grasping, I don’t know what does. And while Dan is right a post above that no one player will bring you “outta the gutter,” Bonds is the closest thing there is to a one-player solution.
by DGU on May 10, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lind was given less of a chance to succeed than Pie.
They do look desperate, very desperate. I just think that even the Jays will have this figured out by the trading deadline, and that players will be available.
If they’re gonna sign Bonds, the time to do it is now. They can’t afford to let that division get any more out of hand for them.
(And if Bonds is a one-player solution for any team, it’s the Rays. They’re in second place in their division right now, and he could put them in the hunt for the AL Wild Card at the very least.)
by cwyers on May 10, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting thing about the Rays -
if they picked up Bonds, it would be to replace Cliff Floyd, who just got back from a DL trip and has been hitting like he’s Bonds, with an .800 SLG.
I guess you’re right about the Jays having it figured out by July – no way they’re in it, then.
by DGU on May 10, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to believe...
... that ownership in Toronto might dump Ricciardi and Gibbons and start over. I think ownership there felt the Jays would contend this year and they cannot be happy with the way things have gone there.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 11, 2008 4:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great win today.
The Cubs are a very talented team, one that just had a bunch of guys slump at the same time. It happens - every team goes through team slumps once or twice a year. They have also stood toe-to-toe with the best team in the NL (at least record-wise) the last two days, and they are the ones standing. It’s a good sign when they are able to right the ship just when the going gets tough. We just need to relax and take the same view as the players - it’s a long season, and each day brings a new game and a new chance to succeed.
Sorry I haven’t been joining you guys on the game threads, but my computer just can’t handle it. I’m not sure how much is SB Nation’s fault, and how much is my box’s fault. Hopefully, I’ll get the problem solved before October.
Sweep dreams for tomorrow???
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on May 10, 2008 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OT: Remember that pitcher the Padres thought would be back in May?
by Chanman25 on May 10, 2008 8:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
here's the link
2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?
by Chanman25 on May 10, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good find...
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
by fischisgod on May 10, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for posting that.
I’m always curious to see how that pitcher (his name escapes me) is doing. Kinda always wondered if it was worth it to pay him a couple of million more dollars to hang around the Cubs facility in AZ for another year, instead of letting him escape back to Southern California to play for The Fathers. I guess now the answer is finally NO.
by zevkalman on May 10, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Where are the people who were upset with Hendry for letting Prior go? If I recall they were concerned about not having Prior available in August and September when he was going to win 10 games and lead the Cubs to the World Series.
by rlpete on May 11, 2008 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't remember
ANYONE being upset that Hendry let Prior go. Did anyone on this board say it was a bad idea?
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said it was probably a bad idea that seemed motivated by personal issues rather than smart baseball decision making.
I said that on a team like the Cubs you can afford to eat the 4 mill investment on a long shot starter like Prior. It’s so hard to acquire a bonafide ace that if you thought there was a decent chance he could give you two months of top quality pitching, you go for it for only 4 mill. I stand by that.
I qualified my claim then saying that I don’t know what’s on Prior’s medical records and that there could be information there which would tell us the odds of him giving you top quality starts was more like 1 in 1000 than 1 in 10. So, this is one of those things we won’t know absolutely whether the Cubs did the right thing or the wrong thing because if he doesn’t pitch, that’s no surprise – I was willing to eat 4 mill, expecting that 9/10 times he’d give you nothing. And if he does pitch, that doesn’t prove I was right, because it could still have been only a 1 in a 1000 shot.
I think it’s worth pointing out that even now there are Cub fans urging us to trade valuable pieces for Rich Harden and/or A.J. Burnett. Burnett’s been a little healthier than Prior, but honestly, is Harden any less a health risk than Prior? If you are willing to give up two or three top prospects for Harden, why was Mark Prior a bad idea to keep for only cash?
by DGU on May 11, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great win!
Couple of bullet points i want to discuss..
. Felix needs to be given a chance or send him to AAA. There is no excuse for him to be sitting on righties that Reed cant hit.
. How does Reed get hit so much? Seriously. Hes now Scrappy 2.0 to me
ENough complaining
Positivesv :)
. While i agree with you Al that Demp has to throw more strikes i think he pitched well.
. Soriano might be coming out of it. Would be a huge lift to the team.
. Good to see DOme hit the ball with authority
;A-Ram way to go…
. Carlos Marmol your all-star ebrth is ready
"I played with one of the best pitchers in history, Greg Maddux," Zambrano said"
by fischisgod on May 10, 2008 8:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't know if this has been said or not here or on TV....
But saw on the D-Backs board, this was the first game the D-backs haven’t had an extra base hit.
I heard there was some good D and obviously. Credit the pitching and D. Not bad for doing that to “the best offense and all around team in the MLB”.
Hopefully BigZ can get us 7 strong tomorrow and have Marmol and Wood close it out…
by dus22 on May 10, 2008 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
they also haven't lost two in a row
very many times this season.
Let’s make it THREE.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 10, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know if this has been said or not here or on TV....
But saw on the D-Backs board, this was the first game the D-backs haven’t had an extra base hit.
I heard there was some good D and obviously. Credit the pitching and D. Not bad for doing that to “the best offense and all around team in the MLB”.
Hopefully BigZ can get us 7 strong tomorrow and have Marmol and Wood close it out…
by dus22 on May 10, 2008 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping Dempster could be the snake-charmer we needed!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 10, 2008 9:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow that's scary..
Devin Hester, you are rediculous! -Jeff Joniak
by ARAM FOR MVP on May 10, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Points
first of all—quick update on Samardijza.. he’s struggling in tonights game. Struggling is an understatement. 2.2 IP, 7 ER, 4 BB, 2 K. He really needs to cut down on the walks. He’s going in the wrong direction ..
Dempster reminds me of Matt Clement. He is an excellent #3/4 starter, but right now he’s basically our #2—or maybe #3 behind Lilly and Zambrano. It would be nice to pick up a ace to compliment Zambrano to fill that void. I think Zambrano is truly a #2, even though he’s finally learning how to pitch, which could turn him into an #1. A couple of names to look out for A.J. Burnett, C.C. Sabathia, and Rich Harden. Other names I’m really looking out for is Roy Halladay, and I wonder if the Giants would trade Matt Cain for the right deal.
Felix Pie is being mishandled. He can’t learn if he can’t play. Yes, he’s overmatched at times, yes, he does look lost at times, but if you’re 23, and your not playing on a everyday basis, their is only so much you will figure out. I don’t get him being up here if he isn’t going to be played everyday.
Me - I only think Pie will be a .270/.330 type guy, while hitting 10-15 HR, and driving in 60 RBI’s a season - but this guy could steal at least 20 a year. But he has the potential to be a 20/20 guy, but he’s gotta learn to swing with 2 strikes and work counts, and fight of those pitches that he is always swinging and missing on, or just staring at. He has to figure out that he has “his” pitch on the first and second pitches, and alot of the times (lately) he has taken those pitches because he has heard how “impatient” he is. But I think he needs to be Felix Pie, he needs to be patiently aggressive, and re-invent himself, and if not here with the Cubs, then maybe in Iowa, or just completely with another team.
by Unique on May 10, 2008 9:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think with Pie's handling, we are seeing a battle fought within Cubs management.
Lou wanted Pie sent down when Eyre came up. Jim didn’t send Pie down. So, Lou stopped playing Pie.
If Lou gets his way, Pie’s done with the Cubs, that’s the only clear thing.
by DGU on May 10, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I’m not sure that Lou and Jim are on the same page regarding several players.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on May 11, 2008 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with most of that too
Although I do think Z is a 1 now. He is young but I think even just him making the changes to PREGAME have showed how he has matured alot and is really learning. He obviously has the stuff. He has calmed down the emotions this year (at leat no broken bats yet… (I think).
I don’t see Cain getting traded out of San Fran. But I did say earlier that at the deadline or after the year we need to go after CC. I would love to see him as a 2. I know he hasn’t been great this year but he will find it. I would love to see the rotation Z, CC, Lilly (I don’t care about righty lefty stuff). You have to think you will win series’ with those three and demp as your 4.
by dus22 on May 10, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to get Harden.
If he proves he’s “healthy” I would want him here. But that’s a high risk, high reward type thing. C.C. is nice, but his shaky start scares me. As long as Gallagher is our #5, I’m happy.
by Unique on May 10, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden has been hurt his whole life.
He was born on the DL, Take Harden for an “A” ballplayer, nothing more.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on May 10, 2008 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Harden
we would just be repeating the years with Wood and the Employee all over again
"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome
by gwood on May 11, 2008 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Sabathia as a rental and stash the draft picks...
...although I think it would be tough for Cleveland to trade him this season.
I want NO part of his free agent contract, though. It’s going to be BAAAAAAD.
by cwyers on May 10, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah it is going to be bad.
He’s going to get at least 16 M a year. Maybe he will past Z’s salary. All I can say is—Yuck.
by Unique on May 10, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say Sabathia continues to struggle
And puts up a terrible, TERRIBLE season. Does he still get the earth-shattering contract? Is it tempered at all?
by AceCubbie on May 10, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to say.
You don’t see many pitchers of Sabathia’s caliber available through free agency that often, and so it’s hard to say WHAT the market will do.
But look at Zito and Schmidt. The money is there despite the warning signs for a lot of these pitchers, because everyone wants an ace, and they’re so hard to come by.
by cwyers on May 10, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland...
As of right now, no one (except for KC) will be sellers this summer in the AL Central. If anyone runs away with the division, it will be Cleveland.
by BartlettBob on May 10, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dempter's future
I do not think that Dempster will be in a Cubs uniform in 2009. He has worked very hard to get in shape and become a starter again so that he could cash in. I do not think the Cubs will be the ones offering the most money to him. That being said, I would be very happy for him if he wins 15 for us this season and does get the payday somewhere else.
by BartlettBob on May 10, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What type of FA will Dempster be?
Assuming he keeps his season together and keeps his ERA below 4.50? With the Saves from last year, will he make Type A?
by DGU on May 10, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to say for sure...
...as the Elias formula they use to determine free agent status is confidential and less than intuitive.
But I’d think that if he pitches well this season he’ll at least be a Type B, which would give us a nice draft pick.
by cwyers on May 10, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you keep Dempster if he has a solid season?
He’ll command big dollars if he does. Is it worth it?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 11, 2008 4:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes.
I’ll go out on a limb now and say that the Cubs should be talking to him by July.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll command too much money for his value if he does that...
...and it’d be the Marquis situation all over again. Let the Jays sign him.
by cwyers on May 11, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I think he’s much more like Kerry Wood. He likes being here, he loves the team, the town. He’s loyal as all get out. I expect to seem him be a Cubs starter next year.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 10, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may be loyal, but it also takes the Cubs willing to keep him here,
and I think Hendry will cut him loose like he did with Alou and Clement.
by DGU on May 10, 2008 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Dempster is not Kerry Wood. For as long as the KW 20K flag flies, he will be a fan favorite.
If Dempster is healthy, he would be silly not to go for the payday and not give a ‘hometown’ discount to the Cubs. He is looking at all of these marginal pitchers making 10mm+ per season and that is why he worked so hard in the off season. Watch a team like Texas come in and give him 2/25mm or something.
by BartlettBob on May 11, 2008 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
the only way I see the Cubs giving Dempster big money, is if he has some amazing type season(like era below 3.50), which is unlikely. With Zambrano, Lilly, Hill, Marshall, Marquis and Gallagher all around for 09 still(possibly Samardzija). Plus Hendry could always sign another 1 year type deal to a veteran like Lieber to join the mix.
by cubsfan25 on May 11, 2008 2:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harden
Been there done that….now he is in SD.
Harden has only had one healthy season. 31 starts and then another season with 22 I think.
Not worth it to me….let Beane fleece someone else for this DL All Star.
by BartlettBob on May 10, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dempster
Frankly I’m fairly surprised at the overall tenor in regards to Dempster. I thought he pitched extremely well today. The 6th inning saw a few seeing-eye singles as well as a plate umpire who had a tremendously inconsistent strike zone. Dempster had Upton struck out and the Fox announcers could not believe that a pretty clear strike three went for a ball, and ultimately led to a walk. Demp was pissed and I can’t blame him. Dempster now has a 2.76 ERA. He’s had one outing where he’s given up more than 3 earned runs. I’d like to see him go a little big longer in games but to me, Dempster has been perhaps the unsung hero of this season.
DmL
by dmlichte on May 10, 2008 11:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yea
he really made some of the diamondback hitters look silly today too. Good movement on his pitches.
by cubsmania on May 11, 2008 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Dempster has been awesome this year, it seems like hitters are having a tough time picking up the ball off him and he has had very good movement on some of his pitches. I wonder if he has made some type of adjustment on his pitches or delivery that has made him harder to hit so far this season. Dempster has always had the stuff to pitch this well. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a 13-15 win , 4-4.20 era, 190-200 inning type season and gets 30-40m from some team this offseason. He wouldn’t be the first pitcher to have one of his best seasons in a free agent type season. Hopefully he can keep it up, he’s done a great job so far.
by cubsfan25 on May 11, 2008 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely.
Imagine where we’d be if Lilly and Hill and Marquis had been unreliable and then Demp was a liability too. As far as I’m concerned, he’s the MVP of April.
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by RightFieldSucks on May 11, 2008 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Know what sticks out to me?
Look at both come from behind innings this series. Who started them? DeRo.
I know everyone’s high on Cedeno, but so far it seems to me like DeRo is the Kenny Lofton on the ‘08 team. I know I’m still in love with Kenny from ‘03 (I know we’re not supposed to talk about it). And since Riot now has the highest BA among the regular starters (my boy!) you clearly can’t take him out. Either way, it’s a nice problem to have to have to choose between 3 such good options.
Feeling good right now. A sweep by Z tomorrow and we’re back on the map. If Fonzie’s decided he’s gonna play now (hard to not like him lately), we may be all set to take another run.
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by RightFieldSucks on May 11, 2008 1:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cubs
good to see that prior is now the padre,s season long soap opera.worst part is the cubs were still trying to keep him.speaking of soap opera,s,felix pie.play the guy or aaa him.it,s obvious he,ll never get get a chance here unless he starts showing results.hard to do when you,re playing twice a week.too bad,great outfielder. c,mon lou
by NOMAR on May 11, 2008 7:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just looked at the replays
of all of Sori’s hits from Saturday. All were up and either center cut or a bit in. Is he that much of a guess hitter to swing at the slider a foot off the plate and 6” off the ground? Or is he just going through his streak of seeing the ball very well like every hitter goes through? When D Lee was struggling earlier this week and last week he took a LOT of pitches he normally crushes and was swinging at garbage. I guess that’s the life of a Major League hitter.
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by BigJohnAZ on May 11, 2008 8:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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