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Open Thread: Cubs vs. Diamondbacks, Sunday 5/11, 1:20 CT

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Sunday, May 11, 2008, 1:20 PM CDT
Wrigley Field

Randy Johnson vs Carlos Zambrano

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What is it about the Cubs and Mother's Day? Every year when the Cubs are scheduled at home on this day, the weather is horrendous. Here are some examples from the last few years alone:
  • 2002: The game was delayed by rain over two hours and they might as well have not bothered. The Brewers beat up on Jon Lieber and three other pitchers 13-4.
  • 2003: This is what we who were there not-so-affectionately call the "Typhoon Game", played in 48-degree weather with the wind blowing at about 40 MPH and a steady rain. They managed to play four innings with the Cardinals leading 11-9 when the umpiring crew -- headed by who else, Cub-hater Bruce Froemming, finally called it. Here's what I wrote about it at the time on my old blog. The Cardinals' Eli Marrero suffered a severe ankle injury which pretty much ruined the rest of his career.
  • 2004: Well, at least it was warmer, 80 degrees at game time. This game had three rain delays and went 13 innings; the result was also better. The Cubs won, 7-5 over the Rockies.

Ugh. That's enough. I think whoever the new ownership of the Cubs winds up being, ought to petition the commissioner's office to never, ever, ever, EVER again schedule the Cubs at home on Mother's Day, especially because the weather's going to be crappy again today. In fact, I'd say there's a pretty good chance that today's game will be postponed. The Cubs and Diamondbacks have common off days on July 7 and July 17 -- look for a possible rescheduling on one of those dates, if there's a rainout today.

In fact, let me get on my BCB soapbox for a moment. At this writing -- 10:15 am CDT -- it is absolutely pouring rain in Chicago, 46 degrees and very windy. Yes, I realize there is a lot of money at stake for a postponed game, and yes, I also realize that the new field at Wrigley has a great drainage system. But it is supposed to rain steadily till at least 4:00 this afternoon, and after that it'll be cold and raw. Why not call the game NOW and play it on one of the open dates in July? Then there's no money lost and they can play in better conditions.

Meanwhile, Ryan Dempster has donated 50 tickets to military families disrupted by the war in Iraq for today's game:

"We always do it for Father's Day," Dempster said on Friday, "but I think Mother's Day is just as important."

Dempster started the ticket program a few years ago, and usually hosts families on Father's Day. Because the Cubs will be on the road then, Dempster decided to switch to Mother's Day. The families invited include some whose moms are serving overseas.

Today's Starting Pitchers
Carlos Zambrano
C. Zambrano
Cubs
vs. Randy Johnson
R. Johnson
Diamondbacks
5-1 W-L 2-1
1.80 ERA 5.06
38 SO 28
14 BB 11
3 HR 4
vs. Ari -- vs. Cubs

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Carlos Zambrano 5-1 8 8 0 0 0 0 55.0 47 11 11 3 14 38 1.80 1.11


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Randy Johnson 2-1 5 5 0 0 0 0 26.2 27 20 15 4 11 28 5.06 1.43

I'm going to write about this pitching matchup as if the game will be played, but of course I'm hoping it won't be.

Since this is probably the last game Randy Johnson will ever pitch in Wrigley Field (barring a postseason Cub/D'back rematch this year), rather than the traditional batter vs. pitcher numbers, I thought I'd talk about Johnson's first appearance in Wrigley Field, nearly 20 years ago on September 20, 1988, when he was a 25-year-old rookie for the Montreal Expos. (Yes, that's right, the Expos. Johnson was shipped to Seattle the next summer for Mark Langston, as the Expos, contenders, wanted a starting pitcher.) Anyway, Johnson, in what was only his second major league start, threw a complete game with 11 strikeouts. But that's not what was remarkable. In the 7th inning, he singled for his first major league hit. And the Cubs' 1B in that game was Manny Trillo. Trillo is generously listed as being 6-1 (he's probably closer to 5-11). Johnson is, as you know, 6-10. I wasn't at this game, but seeing the shot of Johnson on TV, standing at 1B next to Trillo, made Trillo look like a little kid, an indelible memory of Randy Johnson, soon headed to the Hall of Fame.

As for Z, he's been solid all year long, and unlike his last appearance against the D'backs last October, I'm guessing Lou would very much like Z to throw at least seven innings today. He is 1-2, 4.88 in four career regular season starts against Arizona.

Today's game, as Friday's was, on WGN and FSN Arizona. For other games see today's MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)

Baseball-reference.com game preview

Today's overflow comment thread will post at 2:45 pm CT.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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When are we likely to hear if it's PPD?

I debating whether to head towards the park or bank on a rain-out? hmm…

by bobby h on May 11, 2008 10:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Just called the Cubs.

Answer: “The game’s still scheduled to start at 1:20”.

Yeah, right.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 11, 2008 10:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

We'll see I guess...

..i’ll keep my fingers crossed for a July re-schedule.

by bobby h on May 11, 2008 10:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

for what it's worth

it’s stopped raining in Melrose Park

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2008 11:44 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

That's exactly what happened in 2003.

It stopped raining long enough for them to uncover the field and start playing - at which time it started raining again. The entire 4 innings were played in horrid conditions, Eli Marrero got injured - why do this again?

Call it off now.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 11, 2008 11:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I really like

what Dempster and his wife are doing for our military families. Very nice Ryan and Jenny.

Hope they get the game in today.

by sue369 on May 11, 2008 10:41 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Damn, Al...

...you REALLY don’t wanna go to this game!! I wanna see this game for many reasons:

-The Big Unit’s last hurrah @ Wrigley
-Zambrano in a good stretch right now
-Going for a big sweep against one of the best in MLB
-It’s finals week and I feel like procrastinating

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 11, 2008 10:45 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Well, sure, I'd like to see all of those things too...

... if it weren’t pouring rain.

(Not sure about watching you procrastinate, but you get the idea.)

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 11, 2008 10:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Skies are clear here in eastern Kansas...

...rough batch of tornadoes the last few days, but nothin rainy now. You guys probably got what we had a few days ago…

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 11, 2008 11:00 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I just saw a pair of giraffes...

...float by my house on what I think was an ark…

For those of you not in Chicago, it’s really nasty out there today. Hard, sideways falling rain.
If they try to play in this, I don’t think it’s very fair to anybody…I’ll go if they play, but like Al, I’m really hoping they don’t!

by bergs55 on May 11, 2008 10:51 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Make it a night game

at 7 theres only a 30% chance of light rain!

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying" - Michael Jordan, the one and only...

by LPLancer23 on May 11, 2008 10:52 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

D Backs have an off day on Monday

and are home to host the Rox on Tuesday. Good idea!

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on May 11, 2008 11:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It would probably go against

both the Cubs agreement with the city on number of night games and the ESPN Sunday Night Baseball contract.

Old Style is the nectar of life.

by Mordecai on May 11, 2008 11:10 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

No, you can't do this at the last minute.

If they did delay the game that long, they could play, I guess, but I suppose MLB and ESPN would frown on that.

Not to mention all the people who would have to sit for hours waiting. Seriously, they should have called this one off at 8 am. That would have been better for everyone—fans, players and team employees who wouldn’t have had to show up for work in terrible conditions.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 11, 2008 11:44 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Actually

it’s in the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the owners and players that no games be played on Sunday night unless 1) it’s the ESPN Sunday Night Game of the Week or 2) a set of geographic and climate and meteorological conditions are met, which are so narrowly defined that it only applies to the Texas Rangers.

The players don’t want to play an outdoors afternoon game in the Dallas Metroplex in July, otherwise they dictate a Sunday afternoon game for travel and family reasons.

I don’t know how this applies to games delayed into the evening though. I think it would forbid it.

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by Josh77 on May 11, 2008 12:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I would think so too...

.... especially one that’s on a national superstation, as today’s is.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 11, 2008 12:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I am an optimist

Just checked out the radar and looked out the window (west of the City) and I think we are going to play. Two of my friends were faint of heart and canceled so I have two bleacher tickets for face + tickets.com (Please delete this if that note should have only gone in ticket exchange, Al)

WhistlerWilliams

by WhistlerWilliams on May 11, 2008 11:18 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

...

Can someone who lives near Wrigley give a status update on the weather? Is it worth driving down there right now or should I wait?

by luv4cubs2 on May 11, 2008 11:22 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

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by northsider on May 11, 2008 11:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

There are people already in the ballpark...

gotta love the optimists. And 25% concessions!

by bison on May 11, 2008 11:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

sigh

it is still pouring here at my house, 2 miles from wrigley

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 11, 2008 11:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Wherever!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 11, 2008 11:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

In this weather?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 11, 2008 11:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

actually,

if I’m reading this right, it means there will “only” light rain by game time.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2008 11:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yes, BUT...

... the wind is blowing about 40 MPH. See my comment above about a comparison to 2003’s Mother’s Day weather. It’s almost exactly the same thing.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 11, 2008 11:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i was at that 2003 game

it was like home run derby…an infield pop up would sail out of the park.

Can't quiet THE RIOT! (www.riotshirts.com)

by RIOTSHIRTS.com on May 11, 2008 12:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

the wind is

indeed blowin.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2008 12:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Sullivan writes in the Tribune that Maddux could be traded

heh heh, that would be Tim Sullivan writing in the San Diego Union-Tribune…

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/news/2008/may/10/maddux-may-have-opportunity-hop-oblivion-express/

Nothing of much substance, just the usual wonderings aloud about the prospects of a sure-fire Hall of Famer having to finish his career playing for the likes of this year’s Padres. Jake Peavy backs him up though, touting Maddux’s value, especially to a contender. I can’t argue with that, but it does surprise that Peavy is talking like this season’s already a lost. It very well may be, but it’s still only May, and you just shouldn’t be saying things like that to the press.

Anyway, don’t get too excited about the possibility of Round Three for Maddog here at Wrigley unless you hear it from his mouth. I gotta believe that nothing is going to happen on the trade front unless Greg initiates it. And that just doesn’t seem like his style.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 11, 2008 11:28 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Wonder if he could wind up being back here

I think if Mad Duck is traded you’d think he’d be more than willing to come back here. He did want to finish up his career here.

We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.

by cubstoseriesby100 on May 11, 2008 11:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Doubt it.

If he goes anywhere, he’d stay on the West Coast. I suppose it’s possible he could wind up with the Dodgers again.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 11, 2008 11:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

He won't "initiate " it

But if he is frustrated enough ( and reading through the lines of last nights press conference he is)
assuming the Padres stay out of contention it would happen just like it did with the Cubs. He will say
he loves San Diego and wants to do what is best for the team ( which is actually true) while Scott Boras
works the phones with a preselected list of teams that he would go to. The Dodgers would almost clearly be first choice, Colletti still worships him and I suspect they would LOVE for him to work with them
when he retires especially as their AAA team is in Vegas. If for some reason that did not work I can
see him considering both the Braves and the Cubs. You are basically talking two months plus in cities
he is familar with and fond of and in which both teams are in the thick of the race. I think a return to
the Cubs would be least likely for the practical reason that the Cubs have the least need of him.( Dodgers & Braves have far more shaky starting pitching)

I am VERY relieved he got 350 last night even though I consider it a meaningless number
It sounds nice but is no different from 349 or 351 in terms of his record. I am rooting for 355
when he passes the evil ANTI- Maddux to move into 8th place all time. I really wish he would
play one more season at which point he would almost certainly become the winningest pitcher
of Modern ( post 1930) baseball.

by Doggie Stalker on May 11, 2008 12:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Interesting.

I think you’re right re: the Cubs. At this point the only way he comes back to the Cubs is if they have a need due to injury, and I won’t go around rooting for that.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 11, 2008 12:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

While you're waiting for the Cubs to call it...

...tune into NBC and watch Orel Hersheiser play in some poker tournament. He just went all-in with an Ace-five off-suit and won. Now he’s the overall chip leader.

Can’t decide if this is lame or not. Clearly he’s had some success, at least in this tournament. He has three signed baseballs next to him – evidently each time he beats someone, he has them sign a ball. So he’s advanced at least three rounds.

Guess it would be kinda interesting to have an all ex-baseball player poker tournament, just to see the likes of George Brett against Rich Gossage, Kirk Gibson against Dennis Eckersley, Robin Ventura against Nolan Ryan… ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 11, 2008 11:48 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I think those match-ups...

...would be exciting to watch, no matter what the hell the guys are doing. Put em in a room and let’s watch.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 11, 2008 11:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i'd like to see

Dave Kingman versus Mark Fidrych

That would be fun to watch

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on May 11, 2008 12:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Farnsworth and Wilson?

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 11, 2008 12:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

What is the policy on rainouts with tickets? Do you get an opportunity to go to the make up date or any date? How do you go about getting the new tickets?

by luv4cubs2 on May 11, 2008 11:57 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

It all depends...

Sometimes, you can use today’s tickets for the makeup or can exchange them for another game.
Last year, there was a game against the Cards canceled and they made new tickets for that game…so the original tickets were worthless…they would announce whatever they decide…

by bergs55 on May 11, 2008 12:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

They did something new with season tickets this year.

They gave us tickets marked Game A, Game B and Game C and told us that they’d be good for makeup dates as announced. I assume if today is postponed, season ticket holders will be told to use “Game A”.

For other tickets, you would have to buy a new ticket for the makeup game. Today’s ticket would be good for a refund, or toward purchasing another one, but you couldn’t use today’s ticket for a makeup game.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 11, 2008 12:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

yikes .. it looks awful

and I’m sure the wind is going to be very nasty ..

But watching one of the most dominant pitchers in the game today take on an older and formerly dominant one would be sweet.

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on May 11, 2008 12:03 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Not under these conditions.

Ask yourself if playing today would be worth getting Z injured.

That ought to tell you what the right thing to do is. Call it off.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 11, 2008 12:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I just got back into town..

and I see what you mean. The wind is so strong it snapped the cab door back hard enough to almost break my leg.

What really annoys me though is that I bought box seats just this this morning from Cubs.com on a game they know they’re not playing; or at least have no business doing so.

by Damen Jackson on May 11, 2008 12:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

lineups?

they out yet?

by MJMars on May 11, 2008 12:10 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I wonder if Ron will be back...

...he’s been out for awhile now.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 11, 2008 12:16 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Ron who?

Santo? I didn’t know he was out.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 11, 2008 12:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah. He sounded like the Grim Reaper last week...

...and has been out the last few games.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 11, 2008 12:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Whatshisname has been filling in for him...

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 11, 2008 12:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Dave Otto

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 11, 2008 12:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

If Otto were playing for the Cubs today...

...and had a rather bad stretch of pitching woes (not that hard to imagine) and BCB readers were up in arms (no pun intended) against him, and it got to the point where we started posting “Otto!” whenever something bad happened on the field, and then suddenly, miraculously, he turned it around and started pitching like a superstar, winning/saving games left and right…

...would we start posting “OTTO!”? ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 11, 2008 12:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

We'd have to post "EVAD"

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 11, 2008 12:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

1000 internets awarded to you, sir

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on May 11, 2008 12:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i believe his name is

“Not Pat Hughes”

game over! - ARAM FOR MVP on May 5, 2008 7:32 PM EDT (down 3-0 to the Reds in the 1ST INNING)

by joeschmitt on May 11, 2008 12:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs