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Open Thread: Cubs vs. Padres, Monday 5/12, 7:05 CT

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San Diego Padres
@ Chicago Cubs

Monday, May 12, 2008, 7:05 PM CDT
Wrigley Field

Randy Wolf vs Carlos Zambrano

Partly cloudy. Winds blowing in from center field at 5-15 m.p.h. Game Time temperature: Around 55.

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We are six weeks into the 2008 season. Raise your hand if, on March 31, you knew all of the following teams would be in the following spots on May 12:
  • The Florida Marlins would be in first place with the best record in the NL
  • The Cincinnati Reds would be in last place with the second-worst record in the NL
  • The Tampa Bay Rays would be 1.5 games behind the Red Sox, in second place in the AL East, five games over .500 for the first time in franchise history
  • The Oakland A's would be in first place with the second-best record in the AL
  • The Detroit Tigers would be in last place, six games under .500
  • And the San Diego Padres would have the worst record in baseball and be nine games out of first place.

That last may be the most perplexing of all the above bullet points. The Padres have had four straight winning seasons, made the playoffs in 2005 and 2006 and missed last year in a tiebreaker game (and Michael Barrett is still waiting for Matt Holliday to touch the plate). What happened to this team? (And no, I didn't see any hands raised, including my own.)

Whatever it is, please don't wake them up till Friday.

Today's Starting Pitchers
Carlos Zambrano
C. Zambrano
Cubs
vs. Randy Wolf
R. Wolf
Padres
5-1 W-L 2-2
1.80 ERA 4.14
38 SO 38
14 BB 15
3 HR 2
vs. SD -- vs. Cubs

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Carlos Zambrano 5-1 8 8 0 0 0 0 55.0 47 11 11 3 14 38 1.80 1.11


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Randy Wolf 2-2 7 7 0 0 0 0 41.1 37 19 19 2 15 38 4.14 1.26

Randy Wolf is only 2-5, 4.35 lifetime vs. the Cubs, but he has handled the current club's hitters pretty well. In 100 career AB among hitters currently on the Cubs roster, only Aramis Ramirez has homered off Wolf and they are a combined .190/.239/.270 in those 100 AB. Time to turn that around tonight. Wolf faced the Cubs as a Dodger last year on May 27 and threw six shutout innings in a game the Dodgers eventually won in 11. Before that he hadn't faced the Cubs since 2004.

Z, as I wrote yesterday, has been solid all year long, and is 4-1, 1.94 ERA in seven lifetime starts against the Padres -- that is his best ERA against any NL team. As good as Wolf has been vs. Cub hitters, Z is even better against the current SD roster. Hitters on San Diego's active roster are 4-for-47 (2 doubles, both by Brian Giles), with 17 strikeouts.

Here's what happens when I write that kind of stuff, and then say, "It's going to be a coolish, no-wind evening, a pitcher's night." When I say that, that's when we have a 10-9 game. As long as the Cubs win, that works for me.

Note of interest: former Dodgers GM Paul DePodesta, who is now working as a "special assistant" in the Padres front office, has just started a blog. Hat tip for the link to our SBN Padres site Gaslamp Ball. Careful if you go over there -- some of our best posters have been banned at GSB.

Today's game is on cable in Chicago and over the air (what a novel concept!) in San Diego. Also see the MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2008 version)

Baseball-reference.com game preview

Today's overflow comment thread will post at 8:30 pm CDT.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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SUCKERS.

For all those people that said we missed out on Webb and Owings IMO the DBACKS missed out on our boy Z.

WOLF—-LIGHT EM UP

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 12, 2008 3:43 PM CDT   0 recs

That's true

but the issue wasn’t whether or not the Cubs are a good team—the question was whether the D-Backs were a good team. The D-Backs look a lot better when Webb pitches.

I think the D-Backs are a pretty good team. Probably the second best team in the NL. I think the Cubs are better—and we showed it by sweeping them. If Zambrano had pitched, we’d have looked better too.

It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.

by Josh77 on May 12, 2008 4:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No offense, no offense

did I mention no offense?

The bulpen has failed. However, Hoffman hasn’t blown a save for a few weeks. (That’s because he has had few, if any chances.)

This is a station-to-station team. No speed. Nada. Zip. Can’t hit for power (but will have a better chance on the road, then @ Petco—especially w/ Giles.

Maddux has been acceptable. No run support. Peavy - very, very good. But one mistake, and this team cannot overcome it 3 of 4 is essential. However, in today’s paper - THEY were hoping for 3 of 4.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 12, 2008 3:45 PM CDT   0 recs

They were hoping to only lose 3 of 4

or they were hoping to win 3 of 4?

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 12, 2008 3:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maddux "acceptable" ??

But for the game he threw himself on the grenade and gave up 9 runs to the D’baclks
his ERA would be well under 3.
Did I MENTION no offense. It is a joke. Maddux for instance gave up 7 runs in the
three games he pitched after AZ and had not a single win. Also the vaunted BP has
been erratic. However never underestimate them. Their starting pitching is probably
the best 1-4 in the majors but 5 is a major problem and since 1-4 get no run support
they get few wins.
How desperate is this team. Maddux was used to PINCH RUN a few weeks back.
Enough said .

by Doggie Stalker on May 12, 2008 4:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ummmm

Marquis has pinch run, or haven’t you noticed?
Maddux is notoriously bad against AZ—with any team he’s pitched with. Look it up.

Maddux took his lumps in the game you mention—but he was left in, as their bullpen was taxed.
He gave the Pads innings they needed.

I’m not a big Maddux guy anymore, but overall—he’s pitched much better than I expected. He’d help a contender.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 12, 2008 8:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How's Chris Young look?

And… will there be a beaning in this series, after the Young-Lee fiasco last year at Wrigley? (I believe Z took a no-no into the 8th that day) Correct me if I’m wrong. and we lost late 1-0. Heck of a pitching duel.

Cubs 2008 (22-15)
Home (14-6) | Road (8-8) | 1-Run Games (4-3) | Extra Innings (4-2)
Updated on May 11, 2008

by SackMan on May 12, 2008 6:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wolf started out hot,

but he’s been teed up in 2 of his last 3 starts, and lost the one in between despite giving up just 2 ER. Here’s hoping for an offensive outburst tonight. SD scares me a bit though. Thy kind of seem to have that “wounded animal” look about them. The Cubs better take care not to take this team too lightly.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 12, 2008 3:45 PM CDT   0 recs

Isn't Jody Gerut

the starting CF for the Fathers now?

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on May 12, 2008 3:46 PM CDT   0 recs

I think he

is splitting time with someone. Not sure who….maybe SDSmoothJazzMan can clue us in.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 12, 2008 3:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gerut

is splitting time with half their farm system.

"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella

by Lou In Blue on May 12, 2008 3:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah,

I kind of figured that from checking the game logs. Their outfield is a big hunk of bad baseball.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 12, 2008 3:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Justin Huber

is the most likely to split time with Gerut

"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella

by Lou In Blue on May 12, 2008 3:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn't take them lightly either

sometime, they have to display SOME offense. However, one NL scout has described the Pads as the ‘least athletic team in the league.”

Gerut, is indeed—in CF

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 12, 2008 3:46 PM CDT   0 recs

Ahhh...memories

of his great Cub career come flowing back to me.

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on May 12, 2008 3:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought the White Sox

were the least athletic team…..well a close second I guess

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 12, 2008 3:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Even the White Sox

have guys like Cabrera, Ozuna, and Alexei Ramirez….check the Padres roster. There’s not a lot of speed there….

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 12, 2008 3:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

THEY were hoping to

take 3 of 4 from the Cubs. They’ve given up on Hairston.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 12, 2008 3:48 PM CDT   0 recs

I could see a split,

but 3 of 4….not bloody likely.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 12, 2008 3:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Which shows

how bad they are. They should be “hoping” to sweep us. They can’t even dream of that, so they’re just “hoping” to win the series.

It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.

by Josh77 on May 12, 2008 4:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah but I remember when they made a run

at Dome. thank god we were able to outspend them for him.

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on May 12, 2008 3:49 PM CDT   0 recs

They're fans are still pretty pissed about that too.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 12, 2008 3:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why we get banned at GSB i guess

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on May 12, 2008 3:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

it wouldn't have helped much.

and soured him completely on MLB ball.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2008 5:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hairston is splitting time in LF

w/Paul MacAnulty. But he’s out of CF.

Their bid for Dome was never REALLY serious. It’s the old “big bad teams with plenty of money beat us.”

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 12, 2008 3:50 PM CDT   0 recs

I am surprised at this

I though Kevin Towers was serious on getting him. Also letting Cameron get away was a mistake, 25 game suspension notwithstanding.

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on May 12, 2008 3:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed

on Cameron. Dumb! Cheap!

by The E-Man on May 12, 2008 3:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I wish we could've added Cameron to platoon in CF. Man... he loves hittin at Wrigely.

But… can’t complain about Reed Johnson.

Cubs 2008 (22-15)
Home (14-6) | Road (8-8) | 1-Run Games (4-3) | Extra Innings (4-2)
Updated on May 11, 2008

by SackMan on May 12, 2008 6:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I am not surprised by the Reds

2008 Cubs: Why Beat A Team in Regulation, when you can beat them in extras?

by Chanman25 on May 12, 2008 3:51 PM CDT   0 recs

Look back at their $$$$

record. They haven’t signed a legit free agent Kevin Brown. (position player, that is.)
Maddux came cheaply.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 12, 2008 3:51 PM CDT   0 recs

That...

is the most embarrassing thing about the Padres franchise. I vividly recall Lucchino and Moores lamenting over and over and over and over in the local press about Quallcomm/JackMurphy “not being a financially viable ballpark”. They get their sweetheart deal, along with the cash-cow land around the park, and they’ve put NOTHING from that windfall back into the team. And the sad part is, the Padre’s fans just keep shelling out the $ to watch them. The last couple years of success have been more a product of the West sucking than San Diego having a legit playoff team…see their record in playoff games the last few years.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 12, 2008 3:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LSA!

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on May 12, 2008 3:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah and look at the Chargers situation

That will not end well either. The city of San Diego has a lot of issues

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on May 12, 2008 4:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, Petco

is an enjoyable place to watch a game. (Might it be Wrigleyesque in the future?) People like going there. However, attendence will fall is the team stays in last.

No windfall profits yet—those buildings you see around Petco are barely occupied. The condos are less than 50% sold. Much of the office space is still empty

I believe the football situation will solve itself - in Chula Vista, eventually. The ‘new stadium’ proposed for LA has a better chance than any of the previous proposals - but the developer (I”m forgetting his name ) wants a piece of any team. The Spanos family WILL NOT stand for that. A football stadium will eventually happen in this county—but it’s SO hard in California to do ANYTHING.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 12, 2008 4:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Petco

Great time to be selling office space in California, too.

It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.

by Josh77 on May 12, 2008 4:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gallagher is taking Lieber’s spot in the rotation.. supposedly/hopefully depending on your perspective. So who will be facing Peavy?

by Schizo on May 12, 2008 3:52 PM CDT   0 recs

Marquis or Lilly

unless Rich Hill comes up in the next day or so…

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 12, 2008 3:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And, on the Ex-Cub front...

Will Oh-MAN! is up to 3.07ERA, with 15 hits in just about 15 innings…1 HR and 1.51 WHIP.

I did not hide my contempt for this joker last year, and I’m curious where his stats will end up in ‘08. Hopefully, Ascanio will provide up some value when Lou burns out Marmol’s arm due to overuse!

by The E-Man on May 12, 2008 3:53 PM CDT   0 recs

Are you serious with burning out marmols arm?

I see we have another pitching coach or perhaps Dr. James Andrews has graced us with his presence on this board. It would have been fitting years ago when he made quite a pretty penny of prior n woody.

by Mikey06 on May 12, 2008 6:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

See it's

smarmy little comments like this one that get you in trouble with the posters in here.

by sue369 on May 12, 2008 7:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cameron was pissed

at the Pads inattention to him. He signed with the Brew Crew for just a tad more that what the Pads offered—way, way late.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 12, 2008 3:54 PM CDT   0 recs

GSB is now putting the blame

where it belongs—on management.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 12, 2008 3:55 PM CDT   0 recs

Which is where it should be.

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on May 12, 2008 3:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This team has drafted badly

and has hung their hat at finding inexpensive talent. That works for a while, but eventually you sign Jim Edmonds. And you fail.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 12, 2008 3:57 PM CDT   0 recs

Can you say "Matt Bush"

They could have had Stephen Drew or Jered Weaver, who were considered the top two talents in that draft. But they got cheapassed and drafted Bush because he’d sign cheap. (To be fair, everyone thought Bush had first round talent. Just 12-18th pick talent, not #1 overall talent.)

Spending that money on Drew or Weaver would have been a lot smarter than throwing a lesser amount away on Bush. And now they’re throwing away money on Jim Edmonds that could have been going to Stephen Drew.

It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.

by Josh77 on May 12, 2008 4:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Zambrano will slice thru San Diego like a Cusinart

San Diego is REAL, REAL bad. That’s what they get for assembling the sabermetrecian “brain trust” of Sandy Alderson, Paul DePodesta and Grady Fuson to interfere with Kevin Towers.

Hey Sandy, how is that Mark Prior thing workin’ out for ya?? Ha-haa.

Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.

by MDBNIU on May 12, 2008 3:59 PM CDT   0 recs

Yeah that is one signing they should not have made.

maybe he is cursed??

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on May 12, 2008 4:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What does sabremetrics

have to do with the fact that SD has a bad baseball team?

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 12, 2008 4:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

it has nothing to do with it.

by Canseco's Roid Party on May 12, 2008 4:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly.

It was sort of a rhetorical question, but AI half wanted to see what sophistry MDBNIU could weave to justify that statement.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 12, 2008 4:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not Al,

But I wanted to see that. No idea why I typed Al.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 12, 2008 4:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe it's a subliminal

ad Al has running through BCB…

by Emelie on May 12, 2008 5:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gotta be it.

I now have my tinfoil hat on top prevent an further subliminal manipulation. ;-)

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 12, 2008 5:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

jesus

srsly, just ban him (Al) or ignore him. Reading twenty posts after he posts once is reallyl annoying. Can we talk about baseball?

my owner buys me the expensive cat food, but i'll just eat this dvd shrinkwrap and that bug over there

by dr stabbingworth on May 12, 2008 5:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You must be

Al’s sock puppet.

by DGU on May 12, 2008 6:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

lol.

No, no, just an unfortunate slip of the finger.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 12, 2008 6:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Red Sox drink....

....from the fountain of Bill James, as you so put it in the other thread. The weird disdain for stats and certain players is boring.

"Baseball is like church- many attend, few understand." ~ Leo Durocher

by The Lip on May 12, 2008 5:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

question?

I am going to the game Sunday (1:20)

what time would the bleachers open? and when would be a good time to get there to get front row seats

by Rezze21 on May 12, 2008 4:01 PM CDT   0 recs

2 hours prior to the game they open

Get there at aroun 945 or 10 to tell you the truth, when the gates open RUN.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 12, 2008 4:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

if i got there at 10:45-11

would I be ok? whats the latest I could get there to get a good seat? every seat is decent right? except under the scoreboard

by Rezze21 on May 12, 2008 4:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Get there at 11 and I guarantee

you will get a great seat. Honestly I hate sitting in the front row of the bleachers because the wall is rather tall and tough to see over. Front 3 rows near the well in left is where I would recommend.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on May 12, 2008 4:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

His lil' elbow

still another owie! Another setback this weekend, as has already been posted here. He’ll shut it down for a bit. He’s truly the unicorn, here. You have heard of him—you never see him.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 12, 2008 4:01 PM CDT   0 recs

Very Surprised About Rays

I am glad to see Tampa doing this well. This team is going to fade, however. If the Rays can somehow finish with at least 75 wins, they are going to be the greatest team in franchise history. That sure is condemning with faint praise. Before this season, the Rays had gone through the worst 10 year period of any franchise since divisional play began.

by memphiscub on May 12, 2008 4:02 PM CDT   0 recs

They'll fade

but I bet they win around 81 games, give or take three or four games.

I like the “Rejected T-Shirt” idea ESPN.com had for the Rays. It just said “Tampa Bay Rays—Laugh while you still can”

If they continue to run the team smartly (which they’ve done since getting rid of Namoli) they’re going to win the AL East sometime in the next five seasons. Next year wouldn’t be impossible. They’re just in the wrong division.

It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.

by Josh77 on May 12, 2008 4:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

All the high draft picks

are starting to pay dividends. And they have another one this year. They have drafted very well. The question will be how many can they keep in a few years?

I would not be surprised if they finish with 75 wins. That division isn’t quite as strong as it has been. Toronto has fallen off. Baltimore is still Baltimore. Even the Yankees won’t take nearly every game from the Rays as they have doe in past years.

by rlpete on May 12, 2008 5:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They could pull a Marlins

Invest in one or two good free agents and a couple bench veterans and make a run based on excellent pitching.

my owner buys me the expensive cat food, but i'll just eat this dvd shrinkwrap and that bug over there

by dr stabbingworth on May 12, 2008 6:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They may be real real bad

but they always play the Cubs well—they always do. So don’t count your chickens yet, bud.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 12, 2008 4:02 PM CDT   0 recs

Yep

I believe they did this before, was it in the early 80’s or thereabout? I always forget.

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on May 12, 2008 4:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Kevin Towers tells sports radio

“bringing in Jody Gerut gives us a bit more payroll.”

The league minimum give you MORE payroll? Whatta maroon.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 12, 2008 4:04 PM CDT   0 recs

Wow,

lol your post is so funny. Your a moron. You called somebody a maroon, like the color. lol, talk about irony…

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying" - Michael Jordan, the one and only...

by LPLancer23 on May 12, 2008 4:16 PM CDT to parent up