Revised with Breaks: TO DGU & ALL THE LOU HATERS
In Response to DGU: Who Believed Lou should have let Pie take his at bat rather than have Ward hit:
When it was evident Melvin was going to stick with his righty in that spot with the game tied, the question is who gives us the best chance to drive in some runs. With Soriano already in the game defense positioning isn't an issue so you can freely remove pie if you choose to. So, now the question is what left handed bat, do you want opposing the righty with game tied at 4-4 bags loaded 1 out? Daryle Ward is our most powerful left handed bat, & second best left-handed hitter behind Fukodome. He is much more of an RBI threat than Pie. Ward is a lot less likely to strike out than Pie and Ward does not chase pitches with the propensity that Pie does. Ward has made his living coming off the bench as a pinch hitter who provides a big left-handed bat with great power along with good command for an RBI man. When are pinch hitters with big bats generally used late in game situations with games on the line up/or down a run or 2. Ward has made a career coming up and performing in spots like these. You want to know how valuable Daryle Ward is, especially to our team that is heavy with right handed bats, read what his former manager Bobby Cox thinks about Ward. When Cox learned Atlanta could not re-sign Ward and that Hendry snatched up Ward, Cox got the news while driving and drove off the road he was so angry.
Daryle Ward gave us an advantage in the match up facing the pitcher and Ward gave us the best chance for success in that spot. Meaning he gave us the highest percentages of not striking out, and at least driving in 1 run(the go ahead run) with a sac fly or even a bases loaded walk while any hit would drive in at least 1 and most likely to. It turned out that’s exactly what he did he jumped on first pitch fast ball for a 2 run RBI double for the win. Lou made a sequence of great decisions by out thinking Melvin and thinking ahead to put his ball club (our CUBBIES) in the best possible position to try to win a ball. Every pitcher, manager, & opposing player would have rather faced Felix "free swinging" Pie with the game on the line than Daryle Ward because it is very easy to get Pie out after getting ahead and there are many times you do not even have to throw a strike to get Pie out & most of the time all you need is 1.
Felix Pie still has a lot of potential for great success, and the ability to make substantial offensive contributions to help this team win this year. He needs to continue to work hard, like all of us have been hearing. If he listens to sweet swinging Lou, and Gerald Perry and shortens up his swing while developing a better eye, and focusing on fundamentals he can really help us out in a stretch of the season. We have already seen him have some nice pressure filled at bats that have helped us win ball games or put is into a position to win ball games, the hit in Pittsburgh, we all know about the homerun at home against the Mets, but even in a losing effort in Cincinnati he had a nice at bat in the top of the 9th down 5-3 facing Francisco Cordero. One of the leagues most respected closer’s who typically locates well and has a very solid fastball with some nasty off speed pitches, and with tools like this you would imagine he would have had his way with Felix especially in the 9th inning. As I recall, Fontenot singled with 1 out right in front of Pie, and Pie quickly fell behind 0-2 and at this point I though he had no chance against the high heat, anything off speed, or a fastball low & away because he tries to pull everything. But to his credit Felix fouled off a couple and took some nasty pitches for balls that he normally would have swung at, and soon worked the count to 2-2 I believe before lining a low and away fastball to left center gap just over the shortstop because his head stayed on the ball he shortened up his swing a little bit and instead of trying to pull everything he stayed with the pitch and hit it to opposite field to get on base and help us get in a position to win the game, even though we did end up winning that game Fontenot at home, D lee's ground out, Felix helped his team get in a position to win.
We all know at 23 he’s still young and needs at bats to improve but when you have the quality of team we do with the line up we have when your ultimate goals are much higher than just developing young talent and improving Pie's approach at the plate there are times he’s going to have his bat taken out of the game or be out because of a double switch. We all know his defense is special and looks like he possesses a lot of the same tools & talents defensively that Andruw Jones used to win himself all those gold gloves. That caliber of defense in Center Field is hard to come by and is an asset to have especially at Wrigley Field with the wind. Coupled with the fact Pie has nothing left to prove at the minor league level, he hit well over .300 at triple AAA every time he went back down last year yet he could barely sustain .250 in the bigs. That’s just the MLB, and the fact Felix got away with a lot of his bad habits at Iowa was, because he is so athletically gifted and possess so much raw talent. Lou did the right thing reconstructing his swing and approach at the plate because he was not going to sustain success at the highest level at his old approach. We all know the more at bats a youngster like Felix gets the better he will get and the more comfortable he will become at the plate. I think the more Major League at bats he gets the better or just a short week or two in AAA with that hitting coach that came up to Wrigley that understands Pie's tendency and understands the new swing that he needs to master. I think the AAA Iowa is not ideal and only should be done under an emergency of pitching arms, and if it is done should be very brief and only as a last resort. Everyone including Me, wants to see what Pie can do with all his god given ability, and yes at times it is a little frustrating at times when he gets limited at-bats when he’s working hard to improve but I am sure he is learning more and more with every passing day in the bigs and with every at bat he does get. However everyone in the Cubs organization wants to see Pie develop including Lou, if he didn't he wouldn't have spent his own attention to work specifically with him I do no think he is in a pissing war with Hendry and the cubs front office over the use of Pie. Lou himself has said Pie has proven himself in AAA at the plate & that its time for him to learn & come into his own at the Major league Level.
Once again everyone’s goal's and wishes throughout the cub’s organization is Winning Championships, Division, N.L., & World Series. When winning is your main concern there are many times the process of developing young talent is slowed down a little bit just to win. Look at Soto as an example & last year with all the catcher problems we had with Blanco’s, neck the fight & trade of Barrett for Bowen, then Bowen for Kendall & having Koyie hill up. Koyie Hill is not a major leaguer, Soto is but we where in a tight playoff race and there where some kinks Soto had to work on & he still does this year but at the time bringing up a kid in the June & July and throwing him in the middle of a tight playoff race is a tough call to make. It did however work out he came up in September and blew Lou's socks of and got two starts in the NLDS. It looked like he should have been up earlier but with a position as pivotal as a catcher and with our organizations goal of winning it was a tough call to make. Although Pie & Soto's situations are different they are similar in the sense that because Lou is weighing the task at hand of Winning Now versus Pie's development, and I think it is the smart thing to do. In a perfect world we could have both but it is not and we are forced to trade off a little bit wouldn't you rather be winning than be losing and have Pie starting everyday & have to endure many mistakes that young kids make? With what the moron said above what if we were focused primarily on developing Pie and we let him take the at bat and he struck out or hit into D.P. and game stayed tied at 4 and we wound up losing in extras and wasted Marmol n Woody? Everyone on here would want Lou's head. Remember Upton's play on Saturday taking his time allowing Soriano to gallop home?
By the way baseball is a team game there are times it is better for your team if the bat is out of your hand and that’s how it is with Pie right now and I cannot honestly believe that you can say with a straight face that you would rather have Felix "free swinging" Pie up in that spot yesterday than Pinch Hitter deluxe Daryle Ward? If you do your crazy and should stop posting and start watching the games to learn something. With what I said above that’s not to say Lou is giving up on Felix Pie it is just that his emphasis is on winning now as it should be with our current lineup & situation you only get so many chances to win & you have to do what ever you can to capitalize on those and take advantage of those in an effort to get in the best possible position to win. So, after that lets please try to tune down the Lou Bashing at least on the Felix Pie situation -- god knows nothing can stop the Fonzi lead off talk but halting the pie nonsense would be nice. I think there are still plenty of people here that cannot forget and escape Dusty.
Lou has won 3 World Series rings, two as a player, and one as a manager. He has been Manager of the year two times in his career, and had a case to be made for last years. He has been to the post season as a manager 6 times and has taken three different teams to the post season. He tied a record winning 116 games I think. How many of the so called manager experts on here that beat Lou like a school boy can compare to those accomplishments on any level.
Lou knows his team better than any of us, he knows information about them that is important & that we the fan does not know about. Just because he does not sound like a Scholar in post game press conferences everyone on here thinks he’s a moron and they think they can manage the Chicago Cubs because they manage their sons little league team or watch every single game like we all do. Lou is just about as good as they get, we are lucky we have a manager like him there are plenty of games from last year we won as a result of him the 2-1 win at the cell with the squeeze play, that last series at Wrigley at home when Dempster got in a jam in the 9th turned out to be a big game, changing rotation to get Big Z an extra start by using the all-stark break to his advantage, Managing a bullpen, not scared to make moves or bump veterans for younger kids that were playing better than Jaque Jones and Cliff Floyd among many others such as Cesar Izturis. It took a full season but Lou has finally exterminated the Dusty free swinging approach and implemented the patented Lou Piniella patient offense.
Lets cut this guy some slack and praise him he has done a lot of good for our beloved Cubbies, lets not lose sight of all the good that he has done keep in mind nobody is perfect and nobody can predict the future and what’s going to happen with 100% certainty. Lets enjoy the ball club that he has help molded, lets sit back and enjoy this summer, I am willing to let his track record, resume, accomplishments, and more importantly his 3 world series rings speak for themselves as opposed to some blogger with limited baseball experience and knowledge who thinks he knows more than Lou Piniella.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation, Bleed Cubbie Blue, or Al Yellon, editor-in-chief. FanPost opinions are, however, valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.
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Thats way too long for anyone to read.
paraphrase it and then i’d like to read it
"This ball's got a chaaaaaance.....(YES!!! YESSS!!!!).....GONE!!! CUBS WIN, CUBS WIN!"
by FutureGroundscrewMember on May 12, 2008 3:23 PM CDT 0 recs
Ditto
this is like the War and Peace of BCB
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on
May 12, 2008 4:04 PM CDT
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Absolutely! Right On!
I couldn’t believe how long that post was, WTF? This is a blog and most of us come here when we find Readers Digest to be too wordy. 10,000 Monkeys on CRTs and keyboards could have said whatever it was in 50 words or less.
by DudeVf11 on
May 12, 2008 9:23 PM CDT
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Well...
I like Doughnuts.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 12, 2008 3:26 PM CDT 0 recs
No- not the doughnut soliloquy again no...........

"Baseball is like church- many attend, few understand." ~ Leo Durocher
by The Lip on
May 12, 2008 3:29 PM CDT
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STOP!
Are you sweating oil? Dick Cheney would like to have a word! :P
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 12, 2008 3:35 PM CDT
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Tax Break?!
"Baseball is like church- many attend, few understand." ~ Leo Durocher
by The Lip on
May 12, 2008 3:39 PM CDT
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I'd just hook
my forehead up to my gas tank.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 12, 2008 3:43 PM CDT
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Yah we know.
I was told to do this, I do appreciate your response when you actually took it seriously.
by Mikey06 on
May 12, 2008 3:30 PM CDT
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I don't know what was Doughtnutsirder
The fact that you’d spent the time to post that, or the fact that I read it.
Or, the fact that I was amused by it.
by Shanghai Badger on
May 12, 2008 3:38 PM CDT
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LOL, sorry -- still no can do.
Have you considered bullet points?
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on May 12, 2008 3:27 PM CDT 0 recs
It's better than before
At least this is readable.
by Madison Cub Fan on May 12, 2008 3:27 PM CDT 0 recs
Three and a half hours till game time.
I am confident everyone can spare 10 minutes.
by Mikey06 on May 12, 2008 3:29 PM CDT 0 recs
Try 20.
OK, OK…I’ll stop. I swear.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
May 12, 2008 3:30 PM CDT
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speaking of which
GAME THREAD! PLEASE A GAME THREAD!!! I CAN’T GO ON MUCH LONGER!
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 12, 2008 3:35 PM CDT
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So Bobby Cox drove his car off the road, eh?
wonder if he got ejected out of that one too?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on May 12, 2008 3:30 PM CDT 0 recs
That was the story.
He was on his cell phone with John Scherholz(sp?) I believe—-the great GM for the braves during their run, and when he told Bobby they lost on re-signing Ward to the cubs he was so pissed and surprised he drove off the road.
by Mikey06 on
May 12, 2008 3:32 PM CDT
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You're overreacting to criticism of Piniella...
First – no one is saying they hate Piniella. No one that I know of is saying Piniella is a terrible manager. There are simply some things that Piniella does that aren’t very wise, in the opinion of many (i.e., overusing Marmol, over-reliance on mediocre vets instead of youngsters, etc).
But just like Piniella gets praise for things that go well, he shouldn’t be immune to criticism for what some think is a short-sighted viewpoint. Yes, Piniella has a lot of experience and has had a lot of success. He’s widely considered to be a very good manager. That doesn’t mean he’s flawless. And ignoring flaws simply because he’s good at some things doesn’t make any sense.
And you can enjoy the team and the success we’re having while being critical of certain aspects. The two are not mutually exclusive. I like Piniella. I love the Cubs. I’m very happy we’re winning. That said, there are things I’d like to see done differently.
by SouthernCub on May 12, 2008 3:31 PM CDT 1 recs
This is an excellent three-paragraph summary.
To the fanpost writer, try doing it this way in the future. Sheesh, even I don’t write stuff that long most of the time.
Also—I would prefer if you don’t reference individual posters like you did in the title. “To All The Lou Haters” would have sufficed.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 12, 2008 3:33 PM CDT
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Hey, Al,
It’s kind of an honor to be called out by name. Now I may have something to put into a signature, maybe “Designated Lou Hater” or “DiaboLou Advocatus”?
by DGU on
May 12, 2008 3:34 PM CDT
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LOL
Perfect!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 12, 2008 3:35 PM CDT
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Hey Mikey06 -
I’m reposting my original response and then I’ll post more in response:
I read through everything you had to say and am glad to have a conversation with you about Lou’s managing.
I know it may be not be clear from my last few posts, but I was very impressed with Lou last year and tend to think he’s been a good manager. There are a number of things that I can easily give him praise about (and in fact did in my post you orginally responded to).
My main concern is that Lou’s managing decisions this year seem short-sighted. In a blog setting I’m not going to say that very humbly, because that’s not the way these things work. It would get old if we always put caveats into our posts (of course, I’m just a fan and don’t know much, etc, but I’m wondering in all humility and with fear and trembling if perhaps…). But, yeah – it is true – Lou knows a lot more about baseball that I do. That doesn’t mean that on one particular issue, I might be right about something and he isn’t. It also doesn’t mean that we fans can’t gripe a little here and there even if we are wrong.
Ok, more in a minute or two.
by DGU on May 12, 2008 3:32 PM CDT 0 recs
Yes I read this earlier.
I appreciate the constructive criticism and feedback instead of acting like a baby like most others. I appreciate the chance to discuss our opposing viewpoints in this forum. Read below from more by me.
by Mikey06 on
May 12, 2008 3:38 PM CDT
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It's just common courtesy...
The format didn’t show a lot of courtesy to your fellow readers. If you don’t show them courtesy by providing them something legible, why should they be courteous to you in return?
by SouthernCub on
May 12, 2008 3:42 PM CDT
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LSA.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
May 12, 2008 3:50 PM CDT
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I thought the post was great,
well thought out and in a terrible format. However, I don’t think anything less of him for the length of the post. He was speaking from the heart and I commend that.
by bap on
May 12, 2008 6:02 PM CDT
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Also, please don't put your titles in all caps.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on May 12, 2008 3:35 PM CDT 0 recs
Marmol is a young kid.
Who was a starting pitcher as late as last year. Like I said people still have the Dusty syndrome. Also, if you notice most of the times you guys say Marmol is getting overused is normally a spot in the 9th. I believe Lou wants to give marmol some experience of getting the last 3 outs to finish the game regardless of score. So down the line in which there are spots we need marmol to get the last 3 outs he feels more comfortable.
And Kevin Hart has some good tools but he did not exactly excel to start the year and with Fox’s stuff, his velocity is higher than I thought right now I like the makeup of the pen with Lieber jumping back in. Lou gives every chance to the young player I cannot seriously believe you think he favors veterans. He favors success and winning nothing else.
by Mikey06 on May 12, 2008 3:36 PM CDT 0 recs
Marmol was never a starting pitcher last year.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
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Continuing...
I want to be clear that I do not think Lou made a tactical mistake if his only goal was to win yesterday’s game. Quite the opposite. He showed off his smarts and got Ward (the best man for the job) in the position to do the job.
Rather, I made the case that his tactical goals are too short-sighted, that the Cubs need to be thinking about what puts them in the best position to win in October and November. A confident and producing Felix Pie will help our club win in the Fall.
Remember, it was a tie game when Ward came in. If Pie struck out or grounded into a double play, the game would not have been lost. We would have flipped our lineup over and had the best bats coming up in the 9th and (if necessary) 10th.
I’m glad we won yesterday. When I came to BCB, I expected to post something in celebration (and thought my original post ended celebratory). But I decided to respond to Al whose post said Lou was beyond criticism (or something similar). I don’t think he is beyond criticism. Again, that doesn’t mean I think he stinks.
It means that when I look at the Cubs and I see the kind of talent we have in Soto, Pie, Cedeno, and Hill, I think – this club may not be locked into a window of contention that ends in 2010. This club could be a favorite in the NL Central for the next half decade. But it seems like the Cubs are making decisions that are cashing in that potential for a kamikaze run this year.
Don’t get me wrong. I want to win now. I just think the best way to win now is to develop your rookies just like the Rockies and Diamondbacks and Indians and Red Sox and even now Yankees are doing.
by DGU on May 12, 2008 3:38 PM CDT 0 recs
Pie/Lou
I agree that Lou is not beyond reproach, but I am a supporter . . . . I would have also liked to see Pie hit and come through in that situation.
Although, had he batted and failed, would that have been “more bad” than success would have been good?
by Shanghai Badger on
May 12, 2008 3:42 PM CDT
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That's a good question...
Building confidence is a tricky proposition.
by SouthernCub on
May 12, 2008 3:43 PM CDT
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If the score had been 3-4
with the Cubs down, then pinch-hitting for Pie makes sense, because even the best hitter fails to get on base 3/5 times and Pie even more so. If he had failed then, it would have been very tough.
The score was tied, however, so failure wouldn’t necessarily had been crushing, especially with the top of the order coming around.
by DGU on
May 12, 2008 3:45 PM CDT
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you still
have to do the switch. As you said, even the best hitters fail 3/5 times. You can’t just say that the top of the order would be likely to score; it would actually be more likely that they don’t score. You also can’t say that its ok because its tied. an opportunity is an opportunity and you can’t waste any one because they are not common. You certainly would like to not have to play extra innings. In the situation, we had bases loaded 1 out. What we want is at the very least a long fly ball for a sacrifice fly. Daryle Ward has more power and at this stage a better eye and thus is more likely to hit the ball farther. Remember all we need is a sac fly so even if we give meaning to the meaningless poor start Ward had, he still was physically more applicable to the role.
Failure isn’t crushing only if we win. If we had lost, I certainly would have been mad that we squandered an excellent opportunity, especially if it was by not making a percentage move.
by ecbc on
May 12, 2008 4:24 PM CDT
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The question is - what is the more important opportunity?
There were two opportunities in the game – one to give Felix a kickstart to his confidence that might pay off in 3 or 4 wins over the course of the season. The other was to hit Pie who was probably 10% more likely to take the lead and probably win that game right then and there. I’m making the case that in a tie ballgame at home the former was the opportunity you did not want to miss.
by DGU on
May 12, 2008 5:00 PM CDT
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But I don't know about that
As you said that confidence MIGHT pay off. However, its certainly hard to prove that it would. Certainly, his big homerun after which he pumped his fist and was very excited hasn’t lit him up to a degree we would call a turning point and it was obvious that really excited him and gave him confidence. Anyway it doesn’t really matter as Lou doesn’t seem to want to play him. Unless it really jumpstarted him to a 5-5 day or something Lou won’t want to play him…
by ecbc on
May 12, 2008 6:39 PM CDT
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After Pie's HR
This is actually kind of shocking. After Felix’s HR, he did get hot.
The HR was Apr 21 and he played again the next day and went 2 for 5.
Then he was benched the 23rd.
He played again on the 24th and went 2 for 3 with a RBI.
He was benched again on the 25th.
He got to play the last three innings on the 26th and scored a run on a HBP.
He was benched again on the 27th.
The 28th was an off-day.
On the 29th he got to play the last three innings, had a sac fly and a walk.
He finally got to start another game on the 30th and went 0 for 4 with a walk.
So Felix’s HR got him hot, then he didn’t get to start for a week.
by DGU on
May 12, 2008 7:50 PM CDT
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If you don't win games when you can now
you don’t need to worry much about October. I will trust Lou’s judgement over second guessers anytime. It amazes me how many baseball genius’ post on message boards. Baseball pays pretty good and yet, rather than getting into the game, people feel that message board posts are meaningful to show others how smart they are in their knowledge of baseball. Sorry, but I really find that funny.
by cubswin on
May 12, 2008 6:20 PM CDT
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Great post
Lou Piniella is an outstanding manager. Best the Cubs have had in my 31 years of being a diehard. Problem is that it gnaws at people that Felix Pie and a few others (Matt No Tool Murton) haven’t been provided, in their pea brains, wondrous opportunity. Well, Felix Pie sucks. Not Lou Piniella’s fault. Sean Marshall sucks too. Again, not Lou Piniella’s fault.
Funny thing is the Lou critics give you a blank stare when you say the names Geovany Soto and Ryan Theriot.
Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.
by MDBNIU on May 12, 2008 3:42 PM CDT 0 recs
I'm pretty sure hitting is a tool...
so Murton has at least one tool.
But, then again, you’ve been wrong many times before. Why should I try to correct you now?
by SouthernCub on
May 12, 2008 3:44 PM CDT
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Matt Murton sucks
Hence why he is toiling away at Triple A hitting singles and otherwise smelling up the joint.
Matt Murton = Not a Big League Ballplayer
Thanks.
Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.
by MDBNIU on
May 12, 2008 3:46 PM CDT
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Debatable..
but “No Tool” is incorrect. So you are wrong. Again.
by SouthernCub on
May 12, 2008 3:47 PM CDT
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No,
Matt Murton is in AAA because there’s no room in the roster. He doesn’t play center—if he did, Reed Johnson wouldn’t have been hired.
By very definition, Matt Murton IS a big-league ballplayer. He’s been to the show. And he will be again, probably, for some other team.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 12, 2008 3:47 PM CDT
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Wrong answer
Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.
by MDBNIU on
May 12, 2008 3:48 PM CDT
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Sigh...
you just don’t have a clue, do you?
You’re on the verge of going on my ignore list…
by SouthernCub on
May 12, 2008 3:49 PM CDT
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and I JUST found the picture for ya.
Oh, Blue Mike… you make me wanna
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by drewishdrewid on
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Correct...
players with an ~.800 OPS are big leaguers. MDBNIU is correct in that Murton has no future with the Cubs. He is incorrect in saying that Murton has no tools, and he’s incorrect in saying that Murton isn’t a Major League ballplayer.
by SouthernCub on
May 12, 2008 3:49 PM CDT
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Murton couldn't hit it out of the infield when he was up.
He has terrible stance and some questionable at best fundamentals.
by Mikey06 on
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he had
8 homeruns in a year where he only played in 94 games. 13 doubles, too.
Obviously, he can hit it out of the infield.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 12, 2008 3:56 PM CDT
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Ha thanks again.
Everyone is going off on this poor guy Mikey and you back him. Go figure. Thanks for the same crap AGAIN

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
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we gotta find you another picture to use.


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by drewishdrewid on
May 12, 2008 3:51 PM CDT
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LOL. I think getting a "Great post" from MDBNIU just about says it all.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
May 12, 2008 3:51 PM CDT
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There you go again with the diehard thing...
dude you ever know a guy who never gets laid but is always talking about getting laid?
I think this is you. You talk about your diehard as iff you are convincing yourself. Your approach to this discussion, along with every other one is absolutley, totally, ignorant and stupid. Why don’t you give listening a try sometime?
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on
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as I said in the other thread
I don’t think anyone’s a Lou Hater here. Nor does anyone suggest that because he’s not the most articulate guy in the pressroom (personally, I think it’s an act) that he’s stupid.
Pie deserves the chance to play. I think that given hindsight, pinch hitting Ward is the right decision, of course—on the other hand, Ward could have struck out, and then what? Yes, Ward gives you the better percentage.
People are just saying "what if". What if Pie had been in the situation, rather than benched, and HE’d hit the game winning hit? That would be an incredible confidence booster. Might help the kid turn completely around. that’s all.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2008 3:43 PM CDT 0 recs
Im prett sure its an Act
Out in Arizona last year, me and my buddy used to bet horse at an OTB bar at ASU.. Lou and Sinatro used to always come in. My buddy is a great horse handicapper after first day Lou and or/Sinatro would come and sit by me and my buddy as my buddy would give him picks. The way he is on TV is definitely an act his voice sounds nowhere near the same as it does in person for an hour or two at an OTB. Funny thing last day we where there no what LOU said his biggest concern of the season was? Our bullpen. I was schocked to hear him say that especially how he talked about it last year in press conferences. But he said I know our line up will hit, and he said he had confidence that our starting pitchers will surpass what they did last year so thats why the bullpen was his biggest concern.
by Mikey06 on
May 12, 2008 3:47 PM CDT
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I do agree with you on this point.
I think Lou’s senile old man act in press conferences is used to run circles around the media. The fact that he can intimidate the Chicago press into not asking him if he thought about something is similarly impressive. It’s their job to grill him. They shouldn’t apologize for doing it.
by DGU on
May 12, 2008 5:02 PM CDT
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Lou was right, it was a stupid question
Lou’s been in baseball for over 40 years, of course he thought about it. Some halfwit from a low rated station asks as if he was asking some deep question. I’d treat the press like the low IQ people they are also. I’m sure Lou thought the question was insultingly stupid and I agree.
by cubswin on
May 12, 2008 6:39 PM CDT
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We may have won we may not have.
And I do not understand why you would rather win in 10,than win in regulation. You win the game at the chance we got in the 8th if we used pie and he hit double play than struck out then we needed a hit rather than a sac fly and say that did not happen and we went to extras we would have had to burn more pictures that way. And even if Pie was producing in September/October and we where in the same spot in a playoff game or an important game and Pie was 3/3 we still should have Ward Hit. Ward will always be a better hitter than pie will ever hope to be. Pies greatest tools are glove, speed, arm, and speed on bases. His bat will never be one that is above average
by Mikey06 on May 12, 2008 3:43 PM CDT 0 recs
It's a debate of today versus long-term...
DGU said already that playing Ward there was the best chance to win YESTERDAY. His criticism had to do with the long-term development of Pie. You are arguing apples and oranges right now.
by SouthernCub on
May 12, 2008 3:46 PM CDT
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This just into the WGN Sports Desk...
Felix Pie STILL sucks. Dan Roan with details on the WGN 9:00 News.
I’m tired of all the Comic Book Store Clones insisting that Lou Piniella is screwing up Felix Pie. Felix Pie can’t hit major league pitching.
End o’ subject.
Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.
by MDBNIU on
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We all tire quickly to the comic book store clones....
....and clones in general as this thread is beginning to demonstrate.
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