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"Cubs poised to sign Jim Edmonds on Wednesday"

Just as soon as he clears waivers on Wednesday.   And passes a physical.   Or so says Gordon somebody of the Chicago Sun Times.   Go to the Sun Times webpage and check it out.  

I've said for a few days Jim Edmonds was at least worth exploring.   Looks like Jim Hendry did a little more than just explore.    I think this is a good minimal risk move.   If it works, then great.   If it doesn't, then no great shakes.  

Bye bye Felix Pie.  

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please don't do this.

CUBS WIN CUBS WIN CUBS WIN

by GarlicFryCubFan on May 12, 2008 9:56 PM CDT   0 recs

provide a link.

I bet you can’t.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2008 10:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

sorry, that's not supposed to be in reply to you.

I don’t think it’s real. I think he’s lying.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2008 10:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

CUBS WIN CUBS WIN CUBS WIN

by GarlicFryCubFan on May 12, 2008 10:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think

it’s a fishing expedition. I don’t think it’s going to happen. If it does, it’s a monumentally stupid move.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2008 10:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I can see a new lineup for now

Against RH starters

LF Soriano (when Soriano’s sore leg needs a rest once a week, Johnson or DeRosa)
RF Fukudome (this will be the manager of the year award winner)
1B D-Lee (will Ward see 10 games at 1B this year?)
3B-Ramirez (hard to sit Rami)
C- Soto (except once a week when Blanco plays)
CF-Edmunds (when Cubs play against RH starters)
2B DeRosa (simply a solid player but can play everywhere in a pinch)
SS Theriot (until the turnaround kid squeezes more playing time)

OKAY where is the DeRosa Rotation?

Against LF starters

LF Soriano (again occassionally Johnson or DeRosa playing that gimpy muscle)
SS Theriot or Cedeno
1B D-Lee
3B Ramirez
RF Fukudome
C Soto
2B DeRosa
CF Johnson

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on May 13, 2008 12:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

When Fukudome...

...gets to the 2-hole, I think he will hit there against RH and LH pitching.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on May 13, 2008 9:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ha

this is stupid as hell, whatever, we’re kicking ass right now.

"Anytime I want to throw 95 or 96 (m.p.h.), I can throw it. But it's not how hard you throw in the big leagues. It's how you locate your pitches and learn to pitch the game." - If Zambrano has truly figured out how to pitch, look out.

by kylejo on May 12, 2008 9:56 PM CDT   0 recs

i will say this

if jim edmonds is even a shadow, a SHADOW of his former glory days self, our lineup will become so terrifying.

but if he does what he will almost certainly do, which is suck TREMENDOUSLY, then he better be gone by the all-star break.

and finally, if he somehow gets it back – WOW (i only see point 2 as a real possibility, so i think this is probably the dumbest idea ever EVER)

"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto

by CubbyBlues on May 12, 2008 10:00 PM CDT   0 recs

ps i mean

why not just get barry bonds? HUH??! he’s still awesome as AWESOME

"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto

by CubbyBlues on May 12, 2008 10:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Edmonds has no baggage

he can be prickly, sure, but in a hitters park like Wrigley… well, if he’s got anything left at all he’s a yet another legit power threat to add to the line-up. depending on the money involved, which i’m guessing isn’t much because he was released, this could be one of those ‘no risk/high reward’ signings.

all that said, however, I’m one of those people who thinks Edmonds in likely done.

by Petrie000 on May 12, 2008 10:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

this is dumb

Plus I would have to leave the “jim edmonds is the gayest baseball player ever” group on facebook.

CUBS WIN CUBS WIN CUBS WIN

by GarlicFryCubFan on May 12, 2008 10:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

haha

I think I’m in that group too

by ams05g on May 12, 2008 11:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That sounds like a very offensive group

Gay as in homosexual or gay as what kids think is the cool way to use gay these days?

by Arbusto on May 13, 2008 6:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, it is.

It’s also NOT permitted language at BCB. To the poster who said this above, don’t do this again. Thank you.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on May 13, 2008 7:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The logic is all there...

Cubs have a need in center field.
Felix Pie isn’t the answer.
Reed Johnson is not an everyday player.
Lou Piniella insists he needs more left handed power.
Like it or not Jim Edmonds has had an exceptional career.
Jim Edmonds is a former multiple Gold Glove centerfielder.
Jim Edmonds has nearly 400 doubles and 400 HRs in his illustrous career.
Jim Edmonds is a winner, albeit with the hated St. Louis Cardinals all those years.
Jim Edmonds sports a World Series ring.
Jim Edmonds costs nothing and is minimal risk and all upside for the Cubs.

===

I telegraphed this move several days ago and was thrown under the bus here. Oh well. The move makes all sorts of sense for the Cubs. If Edmonds can play a couple days a week in complement to Reed Johnson then the Cubs are a better ballclub. That’s all that matters.

Just win baby.

Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.

by MDBNIU on May 12, 2008 10:08 PM CDT   0 recs

You forgot

Jim Edmonds sucks now
Jim Edmonds is 38
Ted Lilly is at best a #4 pitcher and Soriano can’t do anything but strike out and wear voodoo paint. Oh wait.

by ecbc on May 12, 2008 10:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Disagree

“Ted Lilly is at best a #4 pitcher …”

Yeah. But only on the Red Sox or D-Backs.

Everyone else – Nope. You’re wrong. NOT a number #2 agreed, but certain #3 based on yesterday’s performance.

by The E-Man on May 12, 2008 10:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

uh...

he was being sarcastic – hence the “oh wait” at the end

"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto

by CubbyBlues on May 12, 2008 10:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Um, Sean Gallagher pitched "yesterday".

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 13, 2008 8:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The cubs do NOT have a need in Center Field.

Jim Edmonds is not the answer for a question that doesn’t need to be asked.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2008 10:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sign Willie Mays!

He’s got several GGs in CF, and is high up on the HR list too!

by berselius on May 12, 2008 11:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Whoops

Frustrated fan beat me to the punch

by berselius on May 12, 2008 11:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

All you care about

is being vindicated. I’m beginning to think you aren’t really a Cub fan and all your “diehard” protests are so much overcompensation for the fact that the only you’re really a fan of is creating multiple internet monikers to poke fun at things you know nothing about-sabremetrics-and to rile up the fans of a team you don’t really care about—the Cubs. Go away. You are a pestilence on this board.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 13, 2008 6:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

stupid move....

both pie and johnson will put up better numbers this year than edmonds….......if they wanted to get another guy why not sign kenny lofton? atleast theres a possibility of him being a solid contributor.

by cubsmania on May 12, 2008 10:11 PM CDT   0 recs

YES!

Kenny Lofton! get him instead

CUBS WIN CUBS WIN CUBS WIN

by GarlicFryCubFan on May 12, 2008 10:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

right...

a slap-hitting speed threat that, well, can’t run anymore ‘cuz he’s on the wrong side of 40… you honestly think he’ll give you anything we’re not already getting out of Pie? Edmonds can atleast be a valuable bat off the bench if nothing else… unlike Lofton.

by Petrie000 on May 12, 2008 10:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

not saying kenny would be good

but i think theres a better chance of lofton being good than edmonds…...

by cubsmania on May 12, 2008 10:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed

He is worth a shot. I remember the Cards signing a supposedly over the hill Will Clark several years back and he went crazy down the stretch. Probably won’t work but if they catch lightning in a bottle here….....LOOK OUT!!

by plenz on May 12, 2008 10:11 PM CDT   0 recs

Yep

You hit the nail on the head. This is one of those moves attempting to catch lightning in a bottle. Best part of it is that it costs the Cubs virtually nothing to conduct the experiment. But think for a moment if Edmonds does indeed have something left in the tank…all of a sudden our lineup and bench are downright scary.

Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.

by MDBNIU on May 12, 2008 10:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I sense another Gary Gaetti..

Minus the 30 something good games he gave us…

"The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball"

by Bump Bailey on May 12, 2008 10:16 PM CDT   0 recs

Dumb Move

The logic for this move was set forth by MBIDU. However, it is badly misplaced. Here is another player who will have about the same value.

Cubs have a need in center field.
Felix Pie isn’t the answer.
Reed Johnson is not an everyday player.
Lou Piniella insists he needs more left handed power.
Like it or not Wille Mays has had an exceptional career.
Willie Mays is a former multiple Gold Glove centerfielder.
Willie Mays has more than 400 doubles and 400 HRs in his illustrous career.
Willie Mays is a winner, albeit with the hated NY/SF GIants all those years.
Wilie Mays sports a World Series ring.
Willie Mays costs nothing and is minimal risk and all upside for the Cubs.

Edmonds has been done since the 2006 season. Kenny Lofton is a bad choice but he’s available and a better choice. Edmonds will lose the Cubs games. Its an assine signing.

by frustratedfan on May 12, 2008 10:19 PM CDT   0 recs

thats where MBNIU is wrong

the most isn’t cost free…it could cost the cubs a few losses if they give him a shot to play and he continues to suck it up…...I don’t understand how the cubs think edmonds will be better than pie/johnson

by cubsmania on May 12, 2008 10:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

not only that

but they have to make room for Edmonds on the roster. Who gets sent down?

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2008 10:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

it would force

pie to go down….which is stupid. pie struggling is better than edmonds now.

by cubsmania on May 12, 2008 10:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

.178, 1 HR, 6 RBI .265 OBP .233 slugging

Yeah, that’s EXACTLY what the Cubs need in a clutch moment.

Please.

This stinks. Unless Pie gets better soon, which is only gonna POSSIBLY happen if he plays more, give Reed Johnson the job – the guy’s earning it daily – and send Felix back to school.

We do NOT need this Edmonds. Great guy

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on May 12, 2008 10:20 PM CDT   0 recs

RJ's

not earning the job daily – but he’s better than edmonds is at this point

"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto

by CubbyBlues on May 12, 2008 10:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL, this is about as smart

as getting Jason Kendall or Craig Monroe last year. Actually, it’s way, way dumber. Did you see how bad the Padres were tonight? THEY CUT JIM EDMONDS FOR A REASON. I live in San Diego, believe me when I say this guy has absolutely nothing left in the tank.

by paulucla on May 12, 2008 10:21 PM CDT   0 recs

Exactly. Let the kids play.

Last year, we added Kendall, who couldn’t throw a runner out to save his life, instead of bringing up Soto to the big show. Them in September… it was evident that Soto was a much better option.

Just let Pie play… and grow.

Cubs 2008 (22-15)
Home (14-6) | Road (8-8) | 1-Run Games (4-3) | Extra Innings (4-2)
Updated on May 11, 2008

by SackMan on May 13, 2008 7:28 AM CDT to parent up   1 recs

+1

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on May 13, 2008 9:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I could never root for getting Edmonds...

Hes is my most hated player ever in baseball and i doubt that i stand alone saying that. Plus yelling profanity at Jim Edmonds isnt very fun if hes on your team

by fuku-domenation on May 12, 2008 10:23 PM CDT   0 recs

Well....

I strongly suspect if Jim Edmonds spent all those years doing what he did for say, the Dodgers or the Red Sox, instead of the hated St. Louis Cardinals then most of the naysayers would be singing a much different tune.

Look, at one point we all hated Jim Edmonds. He was real easy to hate in St. Louis.

But looking via objective lens at this move??? It’s all upside and no downside for the Cubs. Edmonds isn’t coming to Chicago to play everyday at bat 3rd folks. Rather he is coming here to hopefully be a solid guy coming off the bench and complement Reed Johnson in center field.

The MISSION is to get better, win ballgames and WIN A FLIPPIN WORLD SERIES !!!! If Edmonds can help play a small role in that mission then I’m very happy.

P.S. Kenny Lofton stopped being a good center fielder 5 years ago. And Lofton has no power. Piniella keeps saying he needs left-handed hitting power.

Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.

by MDBNIU on May 12, 2008 10:26 PM CDT   0 recs

I haven't heard

piniella complain too much in the last week and haven’t heard him saying he desperately needs left-handed power

by cubsmania on May 12, 2008 10:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

what upside do you keep talking about?

He’s history.

It’s over.

Let him be remembered elsewhere.

Besides, Reed Johnson’s got a cool goatee that he could braid with bits of iron.

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on May 12, 2008 10:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not hard to understand

On the surface Jim Edmonds fits the bill of what the Cubs are looking for. Most importantly, he costs virtually nothing. If he continues to suck like he did in San Diego then his days in a Cub uniform will last a matter of weeks and he will be faint asterick in the Cubbie history books. But if he proves he still has something left in the tank then he could be a fine addition to this ballclub in it’s all out pursuit to win a World Series in 2008.

Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.

by MDBNIU on May 12, 2008 10:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

every game Edmonds sucks

is one game of 23 year old Pie’s development wasted. Quite frankly, your judgment sucks. Pie has a higher upside than Edmonds and is playing better and is a better future fit. Learn to look at things objectively instead of assuming Pie sucks.

Not to mention Edmonds’ defense is definitely worse than Pie’s right now

by ecbc on May 12, 2008 10:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd agree except

Pie can’t HIT. Hitting is part of a baseball player’s gig!

He is simply over-matched at the plate. Do we need Pie as just a defensive replacement right now? Or can he work on hitting fundamentals at the AAA level until he finally figures it out?

by The E-Man on May 12, 2008 10:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

check his numbers.

he’s hitting better than people think.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2008 10:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I will

right now…

by The E-Man on May 12, 2008 10:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I just did.

He SUCKS at the plate, unless you think this is ”...better than people think.” Which “people” is that? I think you are delusional, possibly?

23K’s .222Av. .286 OBP
I did not do spits but would assume they are worse against LHP.

by The E-Man on May 12, 2008 11:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

BTW -

the above is in 63 PA’s. He is striking out a third of the time!

by The E-Man on May 12, 2008 11:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

look at his numbers

lately. He’s been doing better. He’s 23. He’s the future of the outfield. Unless we toss him in the crapper for a washed up old outfielder.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2008 11:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No, no, no!

I have NEVER stated what you are inferring: “toss him in the crapper…”

It is no secret that he needs to correct bad habits as a hitter. It is an automatic out! Why MUST he do this when he is starting against RHP – which he is not succeeding at anyway? This is not his fault! Let him gain more confidence and come back up again. There is no shame in this. It has happened to countless successful MLB players.

by The E-Man on May 12, 2008 11:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why are you

completely ignoring Edmonds’ terrible numbers and the steady decline in his numbers in recent history?

by ecbc on May 12, 2008 11:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I am not ignoring his

suckage.

Reed Johnson had a suck year last year too. Baseball is funny that way. Please read other posts – Pie is locked up. He ain’t going anywhere. Period. He is the “Golden Boy”.

However – he is struggling mightily at the plate. His struggles are not helping him.

IF – again, IF, a former MVP, Gold Glove CF has something left in the tank, what harm is there in exploring this when there is NO RISK to the Cubs?

by The E-Man on May 12, 2008 11:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

IF Pie

can develop in the next few months or weeks to become a good center fielder, whats the harm in exploring this when there is NO RISK to the Cubs? Really, whats the difference in risk between Edmonds and Pie? Edmonds has been declining; you can’t just attribute his far past and set it equal to the more recent history. Pie is a young prospect. Pie has a bigger upside than edmonds.

by ecbc on May 12, 2008 11:19 PM CDT to parent up   1 recs

Except it won't happen for Pie

He’ll never hit major league pitching with that swing. The elephant in the room is this…the Cubs have all but given up on Felix Pie working out.

Steve Stone said this a couple weeks ago on WSCR. And he was right.

Bring Greg Maddux back home for a 2008 World Series run !!!

by MDBNIU on May 12, 2008 11:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

...

Haven’t you heard about how the Cubs have been working with Pie to shorten his swing? Did you watch the ball game when he did do that and ended up getting 2 hits? Guess not.

by ecbc on May 12, 2008 11:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?

Felix Pie must play everyday!

by JB 23 on May 13, 2008 12:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he doesn't.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 13, 2008 9:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The elephant in the room

is your incredible ignorance, which is made all the more monstrous by the fact that Jim Edmonds has sucked worse that Pie, as bad as Pie has been at times.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 13, 2008 6:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree with this statement in part

Lou has given up on Pie. Other members of Cubs management have not, but it doesn’t look like they have what it takes to stand up to Lou and do the right thing.

by DGU on May 13, 2008 7:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pie has looked much better at the plate

His swing is quicker and a little shorter, he isn’t flailing at the low inside breaking pitch, and he’s much more patient.

His defense is far superior to Edmonds.

If the Cubs want to take a real chance, Barroid is a free agent.

my owner buys me the expensive cat food, but i'll just eat this dvd shrinkwrap and that bug over there

by dr stabbingworth on May 13, 2008 9:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Totally agree.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on May 13, 2008 9:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

edmonds

is proving he can’t hit either anymore….so why not atleast have the defense.

by cubsmania on May 12, 2008 10:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Take your argument up with Jim Hendry

Felix Pie can’t hit major league pitching and I strongly doubt ever will. You, and others on this blog, take strong objection to that viewpoint. Instead of getting inflammatory against me, why don’t you instead take up the cause with Jim Hendry. You can tell Jim his judgment sucks instead of me.

Thanks for playing our game. Vanna will show you off the stage now.

Lou, stop being obstinate...bat Soriano # 6.

by MDBNIU on May 12, 2008 10:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

poor debate tactics

will get you nowhere, Thurston.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2008 10:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We don't have a means to talk to Hendry

Just like you don’t have a means to process information after you make up your first opinion. We give you stats all the time to completely disprove your points yet you repeat the same thing over and over again. Really, what’s your evidence that Pie will never hit? I can back my side up with his fantastic minor league numbers and his very young age. You have not even a years worth of very sporadic playing time. But you still ignore the stronger evidence? Why?

But if you can get me in touch with Hendry, I guess I would like to talk to him.

Thanks for playing our game. Vanna will show you off the stage now. I don’t see the relevance in this, but I’ll just randomly spit out some words.

by ecbc on May 12, 2008 11:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pat Sajak here.

Vanna, show him what he’s won!

Apparently, not a case of baseball smarts or you’d see that JIM EDMONDS CAN”T HIT MAJOR LEAGUE PITCHING. Get a clue.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on May 13, 2008 6:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and when he boots the ball

repeatedly, losing us games, then what?

Also… “its”, not “it’s”. Punctuation. Learn it.

2008: The year we put it all together.

by drewishdrewid on May 12, 2008 10:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Irony

If you’re going to grammar troll, make sure you use it properly.

my owner buys me the expensive cat food, but i'll just eat this dvd shrinkwrap and that bug over there

by dr stabbingworth on May 13, 2008 9:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank you

For a little sanity. And MDBNIU, I don’t always agree with your posts, but on this one. I’ll stand right beside you. This is a smart, risk-free baseball move. So what if Edmonds was a Card? He could help the Cubs, which is what we all want. And imagine the scouting reports he might be able to give.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded." -Jim Frey

by lapetino on May 12, 2008 11:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

this has nothing to do

with who hates or likes Edmonds because of his former team, his arrogant attitude, or his sexual orientation (whatever that may be….) – This has to do with Jim Edmonds being 38 years old and being a horrible player at this point in his career who was released by the WORST team in the majors. If the MISSION is to get better, there are plenty better options.

Embrace the Goat and It Shall Be Undone

by hawkster34 on May 13, 2008 12:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As usual, your selfish need to vindicate your own ill-informed opinions clouds your judgement to the point of ridiculousness.

Saying there’s “no downside” to Jim Edmonds is flat-out wrong. He will hurt this team’s defense and he will drag down its speed on the basepaths. Personally, I’m choosing denial when it comes to this topic. I will NOT believe Jim Edmonds is a Cub until he is actually standing in centerfield in Cubbie blue. End of line.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by dat cubfan daver on