A Total Loss
Did you ever have an experience where you went somewhere, did something, and yet when it was over, you felt like you hadn't been there at all?
That's what last night's 4-3 Cub loss to the Padres feels like this morning, basically because it was raining so hard for most of the game, it seemed as if it were taking place somewhere else than where I was sitting, hardly able to see most of the action under my umbrella in the left field corner. Except for the Typhoon Game in 2003, when it was far windier and colder than it was last night, I don't think I recall ever seeing any game played for that long (well over an hour) when it was raining that hard.
As a result, Khalil Greene's three-run homer and Jody Gerut's RBI double, all the San Diego scoring in one inning off Jason Marquis, was about all the two teams could muster; after the fifth inning there were only four baserunners (Geovany Soto, who singled in the 6th; SD's Edgar Gonzalez, who singled and doubled, and Aramis Ramirez, who walked).
It got so bad that Jeff, Howard and I finally gave up and left after the 7th -- I couldn't see any more, having to hold the umbrella so low, and the only thing of significance that we missed were three shutout innings thrown in relief by Michael Wuertz (finally! Lou doing something sensible to save his bullpen).
Incidentally, if you thought you saw me in the first inning holding up the big blue umbrella, you were correct. I received two text messages and three phone calls right after -- none of which I actually was able to answer, because as I discovered, somehow the ringer on my phone got turned off.
Anyway, here are some photos from last night, and after that I'll have some more things to say about something that's been debated at length here over the last couple of days. Thankfully, the Cardinals also lost last night, so the Cubs remain a game ahead in first place.
LF corner; you can see my blue & white umbrella in the lower portion of the photo
Cubs pitchers have abandoned the bullpen for the dry oasis of the dugout
Right field bleacher fans raise umbrellas
The hard-working ground crew tries to keep the infield dry
Click on photos to open a larger version in a new browser window. All photos by David Sameshima
It does appear, from everything I have heard and confirmed, that the Cubs are indeed going to sign Jim Edmonds, possibly today, and that he may be in uniform at Wrigley Field on Thursday. I simply do not understand this at all. This move is clearly driven by Lou Piniella, who seems to have a fixation: "I have to get another lefthanded power bat." Well, Lou, got news for you: Jim Edmonds isn't a lefthanded power bat any more. He's got a .233 SLG this year -- that's lower than three of the Cubs' starting pitchers (Z, .481; Ted Lilly, .364, Jason Marquis, .313). It's lower than Felix Pie's SLG (.286), the player who Edmonds will likely replace on the roster. Why not just play Pie and see how he can do? As I noted yesterday, Pie hasn't started more than four games in a row this season. How can you possibly get into any sort of rhythm, learn the pitchers, etc. if you're not getting at-bats?
Pie's defense and baserunning are also far superior to Edmonds' at this stage of their respective careers.
I really don't know why I even have to write these things. They should be obvious. I have consistently complimented Lou Piniella in this space, most recently on Sunday when he completely outmanaged Arizona's Bob Melvin. But Lou seems to have a blind spot where Pie is concerned. Do I think Felix Pie is a superstar, or even going to be one? No, I don't. But I think he can be a serviceable platoon center fielder, and if he played against RHP and Reed Johnson against LHP, the Cubs would be just fine.
The signing of Edmonds smacks of moves the Cubs used to make under the Wrigleys, a dying ownership group that tried to grab hold of names they had heard of, trying to squeeze one more drop of blood out of the proverbial turnip. I can't count the number of times in the 1970's that Cub management traded for or signed fading stars, but here are some of the most egregious examples:
1973: bought Rico Carty from Texas on August 13. Carty won the NL batting title three years earlier when he hit .366 with 25 HR and 101 RBI. But by 1973 he was done, couldn't run any more, and was a DH that the Cubs tried to force into the outfield. He hit .214/.276/.257 in 22 games for the Cubs (sound a bit Edmonds-like to you?) and the Cubs then sold him to the A's. Later he was picked up by Cleveland, where he had some decent years as a DH.
1978: traded for Davey Johnson on August 6, five years after his 43-HR season for Atlanta. Johnson did hit .306/.393/.490 in 49 Cub at-bats, but he was done, never playing after that.
1979: bought Ken Henderson on June 28, five years after he had a 95-RBI season for the White Sox. He was only 33, but hit .235/.361/.333 in 81 Cub at-bats. That prompted them to bring him back the following year, where he hit .195/.333/.305 in 82 AB before being released on July 20.
1980: traded Karl Pagel (the 1970's version of David Kelton and Jason Dubois) for Cliff Johnson on June 23. Johnson had some power -- he had hit .270/.347/.520 with 20 HR in only 304 AB for the Yankees and Indians the year before -- but the problem was, he didn't really have a position. He came up as a catcher, but was terrible defensively. He played first base OK, but the Cubs had a first baseman (Bill Buckner). During days when Buckner was hurt (often), they tried Johnson there... and also played him three games in left field, which was an absolute disaster. That whole team was; it lost 98 games. The Cubs sent Johnson to Oakland for a minor league pitcher who never panned out and he had some decent years left as a part-time DH, mostly for Toronto.
1981: the most laughable example, and one I'll never forget. Jack Brickhouse started one broadcast in June by telling us how excited he was that the Cubs had picked up a former star outfielder, and then we learned who it was: Bobby Bonds, purchased from the Rangers, making the Cubs his eighth team in seven years. In his very first game as a Cub on June 4, 1981, he got injured in the field in the bottom of the first inning, breaking his wrist, and was out for two months. He hit .215/.323/.380 in 45 games and retired.
The point is, why go back to the bad old days? Of the five Cub teams mentioned above, none of them had winning records and only three of them (1973, 1978, 1979) even marginally contended. The 2008 Cubs are already the best team in their division and are winning games without making moves. I'm not going to say anything about Jim Edmonds' supposed bad clubhouse presence or the way he allegedly hotdogs every catch he makes or the fact that he used to be a Cardinal (who cares? He isn't any more); those may be factors in whether you acquire a player, but the bottom line is: Jim Edmonds at this stage of his career is a bad baseball player. The Cubs may be looking to catch "lightning in a bottle" as they did in 1998 when they signed Gary Gaetti. But Gaetti had hit .265/.339/.454 for the Cardinals with 11 HR in 306 AB when St. Louis inexplicably released him on August 14, 1998, and the Cubs actually needed a third baseman at the time. Five days later the Cubs signed him and arguably, without him they wouldn't have won the wild card.
That's not the case this year. The Cubs can win without Jim Edmonds. He's not a good fit. Jim Hendry, please. Stay away.
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Thanks for the pic.
I was trying to make a screen cap but couldn’t.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 14, 2008 9:06 AM CDT
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I saw you too Al
wierd thing is, it sounded like Len and Bob referred to you as security guy “Dave”. I caught myself thinking why is the security guy sitting in the bleachers? and then I thought why does he look like Al?
Are you security?
Anyway, it was a very gratuitous shot.
Calm down.
by Kinky Reggae on
May 14, 2008 10:54 AM CDT
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The security people wear Cub jackets....
... so I could see why he’d think that, BUT—you’re right, why would a security guy be sitting in the bleachers?
I got the usual fee for my appearance: zero.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 14, 2008 12:59 PM CDT
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reminds me of the old newsgroup days
when someone would post with a subject of “another Al Yellon sighting”
by LT on
May 14, 2008 2:01 PM CDT
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LMAO
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 14, 2008 2:14 PM CDT
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we saw you setting it up on the TV.
It’s not going to rain today, is it?
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 14, 2008 9:20 AM CDT
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No.
Supposed to clear out by afternoon.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 14, 2008 9:33 AM CDT
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wewt!
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 14, 2008 10:12 AM CDT
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There was a closer shot of you in the 4th inning, Al.
Why Soriano was batting. You were wrestling with the umbrella. I guess that’s why they showed you then.
by Fraggin Judge on
May 14, 2008 10:12 AM CDT
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hey, we can bring food
into the stadium, right?
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 14, 2008 1:08 PM CDT
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Al
Where are you hearing information on Edmonds? (Unlikely your giving away your source, but doesn’t hurt to ask) As soon as today? Everything I’m hearing is speculatory. I’m against Edmonds on the Cubs completely. I don’t see this having a good effect in the clubhouse.
"What a great call! Your doing a fantastic job, but people expect me to come out here and be upset. So I'm gonna kick some dirt, you understand?" - Lou Pinella
by Lou In Blue on May 14, 2008 9:01 AM CDT 0 recs
Agreed.
Don’t need him whining about playing time on our club that otherwise seems to have great chemistry right now
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by PurpleLineToWrigley on
May 14, 2008 9:02 AM CDT
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I agree with you.
I hope they change their minds today. Or maybe he’ll fail their physical.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 14, 2008 9:06 AM CDT
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Al,
I keep having this horrible visual of Edmonds, in a Cub uni, face turning purple and his body going rigid in the batters box as he shows up the umpire on a random ball or strike call.
Yuck.
by N Oakley on
May 14, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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Ugh.
But yeah, I can visualize that too.
Try thinking of nicer things. Got to get this out of our heads!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 14, 2008 9:33 AM CDT
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MY GOODNESS
I couldnt remember why when I was younger he was my least favorite player of all time and thats the reason…...the dropped shoulders and attitude when a tough strike went against him.
PLEASE STAY AWAY PLEASE STAY AWAY
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"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
May 14, 2008 9:59 AM CDT
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Will Carrol
behind the Baseball Prospectus subscriber wall also said his sources were telling him that the Cubs would sign Edmonds and that in the worst case situation, Pie would get a month in AAA to “salvage” himself. It was in yesterday’s Under the Knife.
by DGU on
May 14, 2008 9:07 AM CDT
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What is he trying to "salvage"?
...he doesnt get to play!
I am not arguing with you here as you have just posted what Carrol wrote, but lets say Pie goes down and hits .350 and Edmonds hangs around .250, someone is going to tell me Lou is going then bench Edmonds and bring Pie back up?
Doesnt add up…Lou just doesnt have any faith in Pie, period.
Felix Pie must play everyday!
by JB 23 on
May 14, 2008 9:11 AM CDT
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Since when
is a 23 YO outfielder at the “salvaging” stage? If Carroll didn’t hear that directly from his source, that’s some pretty shoddy sports journalism…
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
May 14, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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Carroll (misspelt his name first time, sorry)
has it as a direct quote:
“Dave Van Dyck had it first, but sources confirmed to me that the Cubs are working to sign Jim Edmonds. One told me ‘at worst, it’s a bad couple of weeks that buys some time for [Felix] Pie to go to Iowa and salvage himself.’ “
I agree that the quote is disheartening at how some in the organization view Pie.
by DGU on
May 14, 2008 9:14 AM CDT
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Wow.
Just….wow. That’s a pretty discouraging statement considering it came from inside the organization. Why would you toss 455 AB at a 25 YO Matt Murton in 2006 and not afford a 23 YO Felix Pie (an much higher-rated prospect) the same chance? And then to completely quit on him and say he’s got to “salvage” himself….that’s reprehensible.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
May 14, 2008 9:19 AM CDT
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And what does "a bad couple of weeks" mean?
How many losses does that add up to? Absolutely ridiculous.
Nanika Ga Okoru!
Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.
by dat cubfan daver on
May 14, 2008 9:38 AM CDT
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Exactly.
Why not just say “We’re going to punt the next couple weeks because we’d rather have Reed Johnson and Jim Edmonds in CF and Pie working on his swing in AAA, than taking a chance on the next couple weeks while Pie works on his swing here in the bigs.” Because that’s the gist of this comment.
Jim Hendry can’t be happy such an appallingly callous remark got out.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
May 14, 2008 9:44 AM CDT
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Hendry is the boss
He needs to tell Lou NO!!!
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"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on
May 14, 2008 10:00 AM CDT
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Well, we don't know
which side of the Pie divide Hendry is on…
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
May 14, 2008 10:01 AM CDT
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I think we do
Weeks ago, there was a “divide” in opinion in the “top rank” of Cub management on F Pie. It’s been clear since Opening Week (copyright MLB) that this really meant Lou vs. Hendry.
"Is there anything he can't do?" ~Len Kasper, 4/5/08, on Kosuke Fukudome
by JohnM on
May 14, 2008 10:21 AM CDT
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Perhaps
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
May 14, 2008 10:22 AM CDT
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I think that's right, and...
... Jim generally trusts Lou (and Lou has been right a lot of the time), so he gives Lou a lot of rope on who he (Lou) wants on the roster.
In this case Lou happens to be wrong, but Hendry’s apparently going to give him his way.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 14, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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I do want to add
that I like the mode of Hendry giving his managers what they want, even as frustrating as that was with Neifi and the like under Dusty. I like that general philosophy of how a GM and manager should work.
by DGU on
May 14, 2008 12:55 PM CDT
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They should work TOGETHER.
The GM shouldn’t just blindly give in to everything the manager wants. Sometimes the GM has to stand up and say no. Now is one of those times.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 14, 2008 12:59 PM CDT
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Oh, yeah,
I definitely agree with that, too. I see how what I said above would indicate a one-way relationship. You’ve worded it well.
by DGU on
May 14, 2008 1:02 PM CDT
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For example...
... I’m certain that Piniella must have gone in to see Hendry after the Barrett/Zambrano fight and told Hendry he wanted Barrett gone. He was right about that, and Hendry accomodated him.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 14, 2008 1:03 PM CDT
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I don't know if he needed to tell Hendry privately
after he said in a press conference, “Get me someone who can catch the … ball.”
by DGU on
May 14, 2008 1:04 PM CDT
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True.
But I’ll bet he gave Hendry a mouthful in private, too.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 14, 2008 1:05 PM CDT
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Oh, to be a fly on that wall...
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
May 14, 2008 1:05 PM CDT
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Yeah.
Not a lot of gray area in that remark.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
May 14, 2008 1:05 PM CDT
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Signing Edmonds
Is just lke Lou’s keeping Soriano at leadoff. We used to rag Dusty for his
“veteran” fixation and inability to admit a mistake ( walks clogs the bases) I believe
this move shows they are more similar than we would like. This is really a very good
team but I sincerely believe Lou is messing it up to some degree. The ONLY good thing
re Edmonds is that it is early rather than end of July when Cubs have traditionally done
this crap. I give him 3 weeks at the outside. This move is like Lou ( and I believe it was
Lou) bringing up E-Pat when Sori was down. I think at least he will change his mind
fast when he actually sees Edmonds play but I find it incomprhensable that Lou even
bothered to read a scouting report on him.
by Doggie Stalker on May 14, 2008 9:03 AM CDT 0 recs
Let me say this
that once the decision was made to refuse Pie regular playing time, Jim Edmonds becomes one of the best options open to us.
Edmonds got some decent pre-season projections and worked hard in a very rigorous off-season training program.
I’ve been afraid that we would trade valuable resources for Ken Griffey Jr, so to keep our trade resources and have a guy that we can dump without losing anything is good. And unlike options like Coco Crisp, there is still a slim chance that a fully realized Edmonds would outhit a fully realized Felix Pie.
The worst case scenario I see here is that Edmonds pulls a Fontenot – he beats up on some bad pitching for a month, pads his stats and coasts downhill off those stats for the rest of the season. If Edmonds doesn’t hit, his defense in CF is not good enough to play on a championship team.
by DGU on May 14, 2008 9:12 AM CDT 0 recs
That IS the worst case scenario
Because they’d stick with him through September/October based on early success.
by Shanghai Badger on
May 14, 2008 9:14 AM CDT
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That's the worst case scenario
but there are also good scenarios. Edmonds’ 90th percentile PECOTA has him at .276/.364/.495 and Bill James was even more optimistic with .268/.372/.496 as his full projection. And remember, PECOTA was adjusting down for Petco.
by DGU on
May 14, 2008 9:19 AM CDT
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Sure, but those were before the season
I don’t think he’s shown much so far to support those projections.
And that doesn’t even get into the attitude issues or defense.
by Shanghai Badger on
May 14, 2008 9:26 AM CDT
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Agreed.
Projections for a 38-year-old injured player are just that—numbers on a sheet. They don’t take into account injuries or attitude.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 14, 2008 9:34 AM CDT
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Al,
Maybe your or someone could educate me. With averages starting in 2004 of .301, ‘05 .263, ‘06 .257 and ‘07 of .252 and HR totals of 42, 29, 19, 12 and OBP in matching decline, how do James and PECOTA estimate pre-season that there will be such a uptick?
by N Oakley on
May 14, 2008 9:47 AM CDT
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I can't, because stats aren't really my thing.
But it would seem to me that declines of that nature for three straight years would NOT serve to predict an uptick, particularly going to a worse hitters’ park.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 14, 2008 9:49 AM CDT
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The 90th percentile is by definition "best-case scenario"
And PECOTA’s overall projection was much lower for him, I think in the range of .340/.420 for OBP/SLG, and of course he had a 10th percentile projection that probably looked pretty dismal.
As for how the sausage gets made, you might scan baseball prospectus and see if they have some free articles on that. Some of the things PECOTA can look at are differing rates of flyballs, groundballs, and liners to see if Edmonds was tending to get a little unlucky with where his batted balls landed. It can “see” things us casual fans can’t see as well.
Bill James doesn’t say how he does his thing, but I’m guessing he expected Edmonds’ #s were dragged down by the concussions and that if he was healed, he’d make a revival of sorts.
I would say the jury is not out on Edmonds (though I haven’t watched him and I respect the Padres organization; but then I also respect the Cubs organization, so I lean back and forth). It’s not too late in the season for him to turn it around. But in a few more weeks and I start to reconsider preseason projections.
by DGU on
May 14, 2008 1:01 PM CDT
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Concussion
was in June 2006 – playing against the White Sox – and he was diagnosed with post-concussion syndrome about two months later. I’m no MD, but remember reading lots of stuff aout PCS during that time, and the effects don’t generally linger more than a few months. In short, I don’t think that Bill James’ projections for 2008 should have been influenced by Edmond’s recovery from PCS, but I could be wrong…..
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by ChiTown CardFan on
May 14, 2008 1:20 PM CDT
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OTOH...
... some football players have to retire after concussions.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 14, 2008 2:01 PM CDT
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Enough of the PECOTA and Bill James
and anybody else that crunches numbers, zodiac signs, family trees. Edmonds is Edmonds, no thank you.
Cubs well Lou is putting the screws to Pie
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by Grockcubs on
May 14, 2008 11:30 AM CDT
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Prove Us Wrong, Jim
I hope Edmonds does for the Cubs what Gaetti did in 1998. However, I’m not expecting that. Well, if Edmonds thrives on criticism, there’s plenty to be found at BCB. Show us you are not a washed up has been outfielder. Good luck, Jim. You’re going to need it.
by memphiscub on
May 14, 2008 11:45 AM CDT
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In addition --
Just to add fuel to this—
At this stage of their careers, Pie is far superior defensively to Edmonds. If he (Edmonds) had anything left in the tank, SD would not have released him. They eat $4 million and have had no production from any of their OFs all year.
Andres Torres at Iowa would be a better option if Lou does not want to let Pie play. Torres is a switch hitter, hitting .331 with 21 walks in 130 plate appearances. HIs OBP is .431 and he is slugging .487.
As you said Al, Pie has never been in the lineup for any extended period of time. When you are hitting as well as the Cubs are, every guy in the lineup does not have to hit .280 or better. You can afford to let one guy struggle at the plate if he can help you defensively.
If three or four other guys were struggling, it would be difficult to play Pie more. But now is the time while most others, including Soriano the last couple of days, are hitting well.
I have been a backer of Hendry since day one and if he does bring in Edmonds at Lou’s insistence, I for one will be sorely disappointed.
by ceegeewow on May 14, 2008 9:14 AM CDT 0 recs
meh
terrible game, terrible move. Bah.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on May 14, 2008 9:22 AM CDT 0 recs
Don't forget we have Peavy and Maddux coming up now...
...ah, how good that Estes match-up looked 24 hours ago!
Dan
Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.
by dtpollitt on May 14, 2008 9:28 AM CDT 0 recs
Lou's impatience
I see a bit of a common thread in several of Lou’s decisions this year: He has high hopes for this team, but he is wary of the Cubs’ unfair late-season schedule. So, I suspect, he has decided that this team must go to the lead early, to use a horseracing analogy. He is managing in April and May like he is in a late-season pennant race.
The pieces that point to this, to me:
- Pie’s truncated trial in center.
- Rich Hill’s quick exodus to Iowa to fix his mechanics.
- Overuse of best reliever, Marmol, in non-save situations.
- No extra days of rest for Z, and few for Fukudome.
—Jim “I’m done” Edmonds.
We just have to hope that Lou doesn’t wear this team out over a long season.
There is a bright spot here. The Wrigley crowds have, in recent years, needed a Cub to boo, whether it was Corey Patterson or LaTroy Hawkins. I can think of no one in sports I’d rather see get this abuse than Jim Edmonds. Felix Pie may be welcomed back from Iowa like a conquering hero.
If that’s all Edmonds does for this team, and it’s probably all he can do, it will be enough.
Vote for experience -- Woody for closer 2008!
by mlf on May 14, 2008 9:37 AM CDT 1 recs
I agree with all of your points except...
... the ones about Z and Fukudome. Z’s thrown on a very regular, dependable schedule, and shows no signs of fatigue (and had a fairly low pitch count on Monday).
Fukudome doesn’t need days off. Most of the regulars don’t at this time of year.
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by Al on
May 14, 2008 9:45 AM CDT
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Super Z
Zambrano is (knocks wood) indestructable, so I guess it’s a trivial complaint.
Fukudome’s never played a 162-game season, as one of the Tribune stories pointed out. And it’s a new league for him. He could use a little extra rest, I’d say. After all, look at all the time he spends on the basepaths!
Vote for experience -- Woody for closer 2008!
by mlf on
May 14, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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Someone can correct me if i am wrong...
But i do believe the Dragons season was about 150 games with playoffs.
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by HIGGY on
May 14, 2008 9:56 AM CDT
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True.
What’s different here is the travel. Japan’s a small country and almost all the games start at 6 pm. Dome may have to get used to the travel and the different starting times. However, they don’t seem to be bothering him so far.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx
by Al on
May 14, 2008 9:57 AM CDT
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Wait a sec...
Unfair schedule? I dont agree with this because it is May, you dont know what teams will be like in August/September (unless you were referring to the amount of away games in September – then i would agree).
But to address your points:
- I agree with the Pie thing, he is a drag at the plate, but he could use more of a chance.
- Rich Hill is not who we think he is. He is not very good and he is affraid to challenge hitters. That is what it is, and right now there is no place for a pitcher like that on this roster
- I think the overuse of our pitchers is Larry’s problem. They guy seems to avoild all conversations when it comes to our pitching.
- Fukudome gets his rest when he wants it. and in regards to Z, how would he get extra rest?
No need to Boo Edmonds, if he stinks it was a low risk signing, it may not be a good one, but all he has is upside (dont bash me for this), what i mean is he is at the floor now, he cant go any lower. Unless he is a clubhosue cancer – but he did win a WS.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on
May 14, 2008 9:49 AM CDT
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Lots of September road trips to teams we look at as rivals in the NL: Brewers and Mets, if I recall off the top of my head.
Vote for experience -- Woody for closer 2008!
by mlf on
May 14, 2008 9:55 AM CDT
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his team won a WS.
And there’s too much consensus that he actually is what people like to accuse Soriano of being—a whiner.
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 14, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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He was apart of that team.
My bad.
What does he whine about?
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on
May 14, 2008 10:27 AM CDT
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apparently everything.
pitches he doesn’t like, visiting clubhouses he doesn’t like, the quality of the beer at the salvation army…
2008: The year we put it all together.
by drewishdrewid on
May 14, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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Wow.
I don’t think I have ever read you evaluating Hill before. I respect your judgement, about pitching especially, and when you say he is not who we think he is…..wow. I see, like most everyone, him not challenging hitters, but believed it was more a confidence thing. If I’m reading your comments correctly, you see more problems than I would have considered. I’m going to watch more critically than before. This is one of the reasons I love BCB.
"Baseball is like church- many attend, few understand." ~ Leo Durocher
by The Lip on
May 14, 2008 11:26 AM CDT
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LMAO!
There is a bright spot here. The Wrigley crowds have, in recent years, needed a Cub to boo, whether it was Corey Patterson or LaTroy Hawkins. I can think of no one in sports I’d rather see get this abuse than Jim Edmonds. Felix Pie may be welcomed back from Iowa like a conquering hero.
If that’s all Edmonds does for this team, and it’s probably all he can do, it will be enough.
Well done.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07
by gary varsho on
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