Where are you hearing information on Edmonds? (Unlikely your giving away your source, but doesn’t hurt to ask) As soon as today? Everything I’m hearing is speculatory. I’m against Edmonds on the Cubs completely. I don’t see this having a good effect in the clubhouse.

Is just lke Lou’s keeping Soriano at leadoff. We used to rag Dusty for his
“veteran” fixation and inability to admit a mistake ( walks clogs the bases) I believe
this move shows they are more similar than we would like. This is really a very good
team but I sincerely believe Lou is messing it up to some degree. The ONLY good thing
re Edmonds is that it is early rather than end of July when Cubs have traditionally done
this crap. I give him 3 weeks at the outside. This move is like Lou ( and I believe it was
Lou) bringing up E-Pat when Sori was down. I think at least he will change his mind
fast when he actually sees Edmonds play but I find it incomprhensable that Lou even
bothered to read a scouting report on him.

that once the decision was made to refuse Pie regular playing time, Jim Edmonds becomes one of the best options open to us.

Edmonds got some decent pre-season projections and worked hard in a very rigorous off-season training program.

I’ve been afraid that we would trade valuable resources for Ken Griffey Jr, so to keep our trade resources and have a guy that we can dump without losing anything is good. And unlike options like Coco Crisp, there is still a slim chance that a fully realized Edmonds would outhit a fully realized Felix Pie.

The worst case scenario I see here is that Edmonds pulls a Fontenot – he beats up on some bad pitching for a month, pads his stats and coasts downhill off those stats for the rest of the season. If Edmonds doesn’t hit, his defense in CF is not good enough to play on a championship team.

Just to add fuel to this—
At this stage of their careers, Pie is far superior defensively to Edmonds. If he (Edmonds) had anything left in the tank, SD would not have released him. They eat $4 million and have had no production from any of their OFs all year.
Andres Torres at Iowa would be a better option if Lou does not want to let Pie play. Torres is a switch hitter, hitting .331 with 21 walks in 130 plate appearances. HIs OBP is .431 and he is slugging .487.
As you said Al, Pie has never been in the lineup for any extended period of time. When you are hitting as well as the Cubs are, every guy in the lineup does not have to hit .280 or better. You can afford to let one guy struggle at the plate if he can help you defensively.
If three or four other guys were struggling, it would be difficult to play Pie more. But now is the time while most others, including Soriano the last couple of days, are hitting well.
I have been a backer of Hendry since day one and if he does bring in Edmonds at Lou’s insistence, I for one will be sorely disappointed.

terrible game, terrible move. Bah.

...ah, how good that Estes match-up looked 24 hours ago!

Dan

I see a bit of a common thread in several of Lou’s decisions this year: He has high hopes for this team, but he is wary of the Cubs’ unfair late-season schedule. So, I suspect, he has decided that this team must go to the lead early, to use a horseracing analogy. He is managing in April and May like he is in a late-season pennant race.
The pieces that point to this, to me:
- Pie’s truncated trial in center.
- Rich Hill’s quick exodus to Iowa to fix his mechanics.
- Overuse of best reliever, Marmol, in non-save situations.
- No extra days of rest for Z, and few for Fukudome.
—Jim “I’m done” Edmonds.

We just have to hope that Lou doesn’t wear this team out over a long season.

There is a bright spot here. The Wrigley crowds have, in recent years, needed a Cub to boo, whether it was Corey Patterson or LaTroy Hawkins. I can think of no one in sports I’d rather see get this abuse than Jim Edmonds. Felix Pie may be welcomed back from Iowa like a conquering hero.

If that’s all Edmonds does for this team, and it’s probably all he can do, it will be enough.

I had a bad feeling going into yesterday nights game. If you look back at the Cubs blowout wins, the next day they have laid the proverbial egg. The only exception being the back to back blowout wins in Pittsburgh in April.

maybe Lou knows something about Pie that we don’t know? Injury, sudden case of the stoopids…? Maybe he’s not fitting in with the team’s checmistry? I hope it’s something cause this makes no sense to me.

I think aquiring Edmonds may end up being better than you guys think. Let’s just wait and see. I do hate having another former Cardinal on the team, but from a managers position, that point is mute. I do agree that Edmonds is not the quality outfielder we are looking for, but he might make up for that by his hitting. As pointed out in other posts recently, Edmonds typically gets off to a slow start. With the quality hitting that our Cubs have been doing so far, they might just help him get back in to the swing of things, and he might even be able to squeak out those important hits that we need to keep from leaving RISP stranded. Heck, he might even contribute to a few extra wins. And if he fails, Reed Johnson is great to have if Edmonds ends up getting benched.

I know many of you have him in your fantasy teams. It will be hard to lose him. But he is gone! And just in time.

Félix Pie cannot hit major league pitchers at the moment. It’s obviously not a matter of lack of playing time. His swing is horrendous and his lack of plate discipline appalling. The only thing the club will miss partly is his defense, but the Cubs can do with Reed Johnson as a 4th OF and CF defensive replacement for Edmonds.

As Lou well said recently: “Some kids develop and learn their skills a little later than others, and you have to be patient with them. But at the same time, we’re not in a rebuilding situation here.” The Cubs aren’t Tampa Bay or the A’s. This is a contending team. Lou gave Pie his due chance and he blew it. The important thing is to win and Pie isn’t helping. I’m not willing to keep waiting until next year, again.

Now, wheteher Edmonds is done or he’s the right answer is another matter. I thought Edmonds was done, but his PECOTA projections are decent. Be that as it may, time will answer that question conclusively.

with Al, but Lou is playing guys from the farm. Non pitchers include Soto, Theriot, Fontenot, and a little bit of Cedeno. So I can’t exactly call him Dusty Baker.

I understand Lou’s impatience with Pie, but as Al has pointed out, he hasn’t given the kid a fair try….especially with Johnsons down to .254 now, so I think Pie should be playing ahead of him personally. At least then you have a bat off the bench.

Hopefully Edmonds can give us a little bit of production and Pie can prove himself yet again in Triple A. That’s what I don’ get…he’ll hit .354 down there. We all ready know that!

Very powerful and descriptive word attached to Felix Pie by the Cub organization. You can throw all the slings and arrows my way you want, but it seems clear the message.

or does Lou just not like him? I really dn not undersage this aquasition

I was also in the RF bleachers, closer to center top row with a large black umbrella. I gave up in the 6th after the pitching change.

Did anyone else not get a bat in their Soriano bobble head box? 1 of ours had one and 1 did not. A few other people I talked to were missing theirs too. I wonder if that is a sign???

Of what’s he’s going to do by the end of the weekend. We’re playing the Padres and the Pirates….I just hope we don’t get a false sense of hope if he does well against them.

Is there any reason we can’t toss him aside like the Pads did?

Felix Pie has failed on his own. Jim Edmonds is a minimal risk move in hopes of catching lightning in a bottle for a short-term stretch.

The organization has made current assessment of Felix Pie and what is best for him and the team in CF. Whether Jim Edmonds happened to come along or not, I doubt very seriously that is altering what the Cubs intended to do with Felix Pie at this point.

Edmonds 0 for his last 20 with one walk
Pie 5 for his last 19 with one walk

And Pie’s is more of a bench role than Edmonds who was getting consistent AB’s.

With Rich Hill, Sean Marshall, and Hoffpair (sp), Murton, and Pie starting down in Triple A, Iowa should go undefeated this year!

Edmonds during BP as a Welcoming Gift?

Serious question. Lets eliminate for a moment the strong emotion on both sides of the tracks for Felix Pie.

Reed Johnson is a nice complementary ballplayer, but everyone would agree that he is not suited for everyday duty. Lou Pinella keeps clamoring for left-handed hitting power. Okay, so now we have framed the need for centerfielder….preferably a shorter-term fix who can play alongside Reed Johnson, hits from the left side and has some pop. Do we want to trade away top prospects to acquire this commodity? I sorta doubt it since what really is needed is a complementary ballplayer given the otherwise impressive strengths of the lineup and bench. Do we want to spend tons of money on the solution? Again, why, especially if we seek a shorter-term fix?

Well, this all leads to the path of Mr. Jim Edmonds. Off hand I can’t think of anybody else who might be available and fits the criteria. If Edmonds doesn’t work out, then you cut him and move onto “Plan B.”

So if not Jim Edmonds, then who else makes people on this blog happy?

Understanding that you don’t like to boo the home team, I must ask, is it OK to boo Jim Edmonds?

Lets look at some of the positives Jim Edmonds brings to this Cubs lineup?

-Low cost/low reward player
-Some (Stress some) pop from the bench
-Experience in the league
-Playoff experience
-He’s not Brian Roberts (sorry) I’m reaching.

Any more positives?

Edmonds clears waivers today? Is there a standard time or does it adjust per employee?

Pie is getting the royal shaft, no way to look at it.
Only argument that could be made if Pie has started 35 games and would be hitting .220, then OK, but this guy I don’t think has started 3 games in a row all year, am I right?
Bad move if Edmonds comes here. His arrogance is tough to take.

I live in the St. Louis media market (southern Illinois). The TV newcasters live for the Deadbirds. None of them seemed disappointed when Edmonds was jettisoned. They knew he’d reached his end. Lou’s a smart baseball guy, so I’ll trust his judgment—but I’m scratching my head over this one.

Gotta love Cub fans. This is a GOP site to ask Obama questions he’s been avoiding. Look at the last question on the page.

Pretty funny question

I mean, he is obviously the second coming of Hack Wilson for us

As Boboby Knight once said-“when rape is inevitable…......” and you know the rest. Folks-i truly dislike Edmonds more than almost any MLB player, BUT…....
1.) He had a severe calf injury in the spring-no wonder people say he’s lost a step.
2.) Towers and Hendry are friends-they’ve talked about the guy at length-i promise.
3.) Maddux and Barrett have undoubtedly been talked to about him. Maddux publicly said he was turning it back around-Towers said publicly they’d have kept him had their record been better.
4.) Pie=Jacoby Ellsbury? No way-not yet. Ellsbury hit .353 in his VERY FIRST 116 AB’s with an OPS of .903. Felix in his first 240 AB’s hit .217 with an OPS of .596.
5.) Pie can hit every day in Iowa-if Edmonds sucks, no biggie. Financial risk is minimal-cut him and bring Felix back-assuming he’s hitting well in AAA.
6.) Jim Leyland on team chemistry-
“All that [stuff] has been media [stuff] for years - great chemistry, great clubhouse. That’s the biggest bunch of [baloney] in the history of sports. Every time somebody wants to talk about great chemistry, [forget] the chemistry in the clubhouse. I’m interested in winning games, period. I don’t know who came up with it, but the worst word ever used now is chemistry. That’s something you take in school. That’s a class you take. If he gets people out, he’ll be fun in the clubhouse. If we win games, I’ll be fun in the clubhouse. If we don’t, I won’t be fun in the clubhouse, either. He’s a wonderful, wonderful person with a great personality. We’ve got a bunch of them.”

Relax folks—this is high potential upside with minimal risk.

Gammons stated that we wanted to acquire a power lefthanded bat for the lineup. Was this wanted during the offseason? If so, then why didn’t we try to make a trade in the offseason. I am sure that this didn’t begin immeditaely when the season began. If Lou and Hendry do not like Pie, then they should have traded him in the offseason for some outfielder