Welcome the first big lineup change for 2008
With the probable signing of Edmunds tomorrow the Cubs will employ yet another lineup change in CF. If you are a Cub fan as I am, I have lost count as to how many starting CF'ers the Cubs have sported since let's say Adolpho Phillips and Ted Savage. Anyone have a old bubble gum card of Phillips or Savage to share? I can name a few notorious others, Don Young, then there was Bill North, Rick Monday, Bobby Denier, Doug Glanville, Corey Patterson, Kenny Lofton, but most have been quite forgettable as Jacque Jones will become.
Can someone help me with some other notables in CF, can't recall the ROY CF'er in '89 but there must be many.
Alright now discussing the new lineup for at least against RH starters.

It appears with Soriano leading off more games with a run the Cubs will keep him in that newsreel spot.
But I think then Fukudome moves to #2, it is a can't miss getting someone on base often in front of two RBI machines in DLee and ARam that this will be done.
There Piniella has to make a decision, Edmunds in the 5th hole or Soto? He will probably put Edmunds and see what happens, followed by Soto, DeRosa and then Theriot.
Although when Z and Marquis pitch he should look at Theriot batting 9th and getting a leadoff hitter in front of the lineup again.
If Edmunds bats 821-OPS it will be a monster lineup...IF
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Jerome Walton
Doug Dascenzo, Mitch Webster, Alfonso Soriano, Sammy Sosa, Dave Martinez, and Brian McRae just off the top of my head.
This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by HectorVillanueva on May 14, 2008 8:04 PM CDT 0 recs
I still can't believe we ACTUALLY let Soriano play CF.
I mean… seriously. I cringe everytime the ball’s hit in his direction… IN LEFT FIELD. How could our brain trust ever think he was capable of playing CF?
Pulling that quad last April was the best thing that could have happened to our ballclub… or who knows how long he would’ve been misplaying well hit balls in CF for.
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by SackMan on
May 14, 2008 10:36 PM CDT
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is he really that bad in left
I don’t see it… Show me some defensive metrics at least. I don’t trust them as much, but it would still be better than your opinion. I wouldn’t say Soriano is good, but everyone hates his play. Just in case someone says it, those misplays after Soriano got off the DL were obviously not the norm.
by ecbc on
May 14, 2008 10:45 PM CDT
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I trust my eyes.
And my eyes tell me he’s a loafer, who’s afraid to make a play near the wall, and he often misplays the ball bouncing in the corner. His only defensive asset is his arm… and if not for his fumbling around, guys would never run on him… but, hey; maybe he’s a genius and muffs the ball on purpose to bait them in.
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by SackMan on
May 14, 2008 10:50 PM CDT
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Thanks for the
great specific examples and overall perfect description of Soriano. Now tell me without looking it up, how many balls were hit to left field on, say, May 1, 2008? What was the result of each one? Now how about for every game Soriano has played in left field? Oh, you don’t know? Unless you can memorize every single result and list all of Soriano’s deficiencies, then memorize all other left fielders’ plays and show to me that Soriano is worse than the average fielder, I really don’t care what your eyes tell you. People forget and tend to remember abberations more than normal play. How about I say my eyes tell me Soriano is the greatest defensive left fielder ever? Do you trust me yet? Thats why we use stats, because we can’t possibly remember all that happens in baseball, so we need something that will give us at least a pretty good overall picture.
by ecbc on
May 14, 2008 11:12 PM CDT
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Fielding sabermetrics
are the least predictive. As SackMan points out, Soriano just doesn’t look smooth in LF. I doubt many would claim he gets good jumps on the ball. And heplays the ball off the wall poorly. So, aside from his great arm in LF, I have to agree that Sori is the weakest link in our defense.
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by tharr on
May 15, 2008 6:53 AM CDT
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Soriano throws well.
That’s about the only thing he does well defensively.
To ecbc above, your post is one reason why some people really detest people who like to use statistical analysis. It’s condescending and rude.
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by Al on
May 15, 2008 8:27 AM CDT
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Well said Al
I have said this before and I’ll toss it out there one more time; if it’s the ninth inning, bases loaded and the Cubs are up by a run, Soriano is the last person on the club I want to run down a ball to make the last out.
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by MPH73 on
May 15, 2008 8:49 AM CDT
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id rather
soriano run it down, than edmonds.
"Anytime I want to throw 95 or 96 (m.p.h.), I can throw it. But it's not how hard you throw in the big leagues. It's how you locate your pitches and learn to pitch the game." - If Zambrano has truly figured out how to pitch, look out.
by kylejo on
May 15, 2008 8:59 AM CDT
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I'd rather have Soriano do it than Ward...
or Soto. But aside from that, among our four regular OF, I agree that Soriano would be the last one I’d want chasing down a ball.
by SouthernCub on
May 15, 2008 9:00 AM CDT
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He also covers more ground than most LFers.
That’s 2 plus catagories. So between range, arm, and catching , he seems like a plus fielder to me. And that is what my eyes tell me as well. Just because he makes more memorable mistakes doesnt mean he is a worse fielder. do you want a fielder who can never get to balls, and never even attempts to throw out base runners, but catches everything hit directly to him?
This is a lot like the Cedeno vs Theriot defensive debate.
by californiachicagoan on
May 15, 2008 4:32 PM CDT
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I was a bit rude
I really meant it as an overall “you” ... if you know what I mean. I was just trying to make a point, though I did kinda direct it too much at him.
I completely agree that stats for fielding are not as good as most stats. I said this in my post, that I don’t really like them too much. But still, I was making the point that these defensive stats are much more reliable than what a fan’s eyes see. They aren’t that great but I’m still going to trust them over someone’s opinion. And to note, I don’t think Soriano’s defense is necessarily good by any means, but people tend to criticize it to the point it is just underrated.
One more thing. While I’m sorry for most of what I said that was too directed, I completely defend the first sentence that was filled with sarcasm. All he did in his post was overexaggerate. I really don’t care for statements that have no basis except for one’s opinion and sound like MDBNIU.
by ecbc on
May 15, 2008 4:37 PM CDT
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no fumbling
last night. He even caught two or three on the run. Well, jog, but still.
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by drewishdrewid on
May 15, 2008 10:33 AM CDT
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The 2 other M's from the 70's
Jerry Martin and Jerry Morales.
by rlpete on May 14, 2008 8:35 PM CDT 0 recs
Martin played more right field
I remember – my friends and I used to remind him of his (.235) batting average during warmups when he was trying to get his contract redone.
As I recall, he wasn’t really happy that someone was taking notice.
by MN exile on
May 14, 2008 8:58 PM CDT
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I don't think so
Baseball reference has him listed as the CF in both 1979 and 1980.
In 1979 Bobby Murcer and Scot Thompson were in right field.
In 1980, it was Mike Vail.
Now I’m sure there were times (some extended) when he was in right field with Miguel Dilone or Jesus Figueroa in CF. But I remember Martin in CF (Where he was a rock) a lot more than in RF.
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by Josh77 on
May 14, 2008 9:08 PM CDT
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Jerry Morales
He of the basket catch. Our LL center fielder tried to catch it like him and our coach just about had a stroke.
by Not Bruce Froemming on
May 14, 2008 10:26 PM CDT
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"Tarzan"
joe wallis….....Bill North
OMG have we had some shitty players!
by plenz on May 14, 2008 9:03 PM CDT 0 recs
Center fielder from the Cubs best team 1906-1908
Jimmy Slagle played ten seasons – I loved this guy. He could cover ground. Much like Felix Pie.
We need Felix back!!!
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by Cub Fan Mike on
May 15, 2008 8:18 AM CDT
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#2
Fukudome OBP is .001 higher than Theriot. I don’t think Lou is going to change anything yet…
by ak123 on May 14, 2008 9:05 PM CDT 0 recs
TUFFY RHODES!!!
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by ilovepie on May 14, 2008 9:59 PM CDT 0 recs
huh?
Is lou really considering batting Edmonds 5th? I would think its pretty obvious who should bat 5th…
by ecbc on May 14, 2008 10:03 PM CDT 0 recs
if fuku was even moved, which Idoubt
and it would still be obvious who should bat 6th
by ecbc on
May 14, 2008 10:05 PM CDT
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Lance Johnson
Sarge Junior
Michael Tucker
Aramis Ramirez- NL MVP
Kosuke Fukudome- NL ROY
Carlos Marmol- Rolaids Relief Man
by sheamcmurray on May 14, 2008 10:16 PM CDT 0 recs
We Don't Need Him
He Doesn’t Fit. Why Did We Sign Him?
Sure I’ll cheer for him but heck, this sucks. I much rather see Pie play :(
by GoCubbies34 on May 14, 2008 10:26 PM CDT 0 recs
Juan Pierre
It takes like the 9th or 10th post for him to come up?!
by IllinoisCubs on May 14, 2008 10:35 PM CDT 0 recs
Um... we all took the BLUE PILL after that season.
I had forgot about him till now… thanks a lot.
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by SackMan on
May 14, 2008 10:37 PM CDT
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Damon Buford, Willie Wilson and Mell Hall
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by SackMan on May 14, 2008 10:41 PM CDT 0 recs
Oh... and Roosevelt Brown... Darren Lewis... Tom Goodwin
And one we should never forget: Brant brown
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by SackMan on
May 14, 2008 10:46 PM CDT
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Rosie had sick minors numbers...
was surprised he never worked out…
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by fischisgod on
May 15, 2008 12:16 AM CDT
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Ahh... yes. Another one of our fine CF prospects
That never did squat.
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OMG. Chico Walker!
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by SackMan on May 14, 2008 10:56 PM CDT 0 recs
Jose Cardenal spent some time there in the early 70's
Am I getting that old?
by DaveinHouston on May 14, 2008 11:15 PM CDT 0 recs
Right, he had #1....
...I’d rather see Dome wearing it!
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by CaughtInTheVines on
May 14, 2008 11:27 PM CDT
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Heres what i posted on a DMB fan board....
I feel like i am living in the twilight zone… I am legitimately excited about Jim Edmonds coming aboard. This is a guy that I have hated since he became a red bird when i was in eighth grade. Eight years later IF he has something left in the tank (which both our scouts and Greg maddux think he does) this is the type of upgrade that could do wonders for our ball club.
Do not be surprised if tomorrow Dome is hitting second where he should be and Edmonds is hitting fifth. THis will help Aramis and Lee (who is slumping) by putting an OBP machine in front of them. I think this will really help our offense. We were not going to play Pie anyway for whatever reason so this transaction needed to happen. We paid him 284,000 for one year. and if it doesnt work we will cut and run and never look back. There is only positives in this. Except for if Carlos punches him in the eye. I am about to link two articles. The first of which is the one which talks about why we are signing him and the second of which is the players reactions….
On another note I love Lou and Hendry but I think they have really mis managed Pie… This is pathetic that we are sending him to AAA. At least there though he can hit consistently and hopefully get his stroke back….
It pains me to say this but can we please give #15 a chance…. ANd by a chance i mean a 2 week stretch…. That is all. I respect peoples differences. But lets give it a chance.
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by fischisgod on May 14, 2008 11:47 PM CDT 0 recs
Here Here!
The negativity on this board really gets on my nerves sometimes. Just go with it and trust your club!
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by Fukumania on
May 15, 2008 7:31 AM CDT
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Actually
There is only positives in this. Except for if Carlos punches him in the eye.
That might be a positive, as well.
Seriously, I’d like to think of myself as being objective. But I can’t stomach this signing, only because he was a Cardinal and his demeanor on the field. I know many posters say that shouldn’t matter. But I will enjoy the cubs less now that he is on the team.
by TC Cubby on
May 15, 2008 7:40 AM CDT
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I'm with you man...
I like the move, there is something that Pie isn’t doing to adjust and with Johnson playing better than him the at bats aren’t there and the only way Pie is going to get better is by playing. Edmonds is a low risk move. We’re paying him a PRO RATED league minimum, its not a whole helluva lot. If the scouts and Greg Maddux are right and he was starting to swing the bat better than this move could look genius. Worst case senario Edmonds flops, Pie struggles in Triple A, Edmonds gets cut and Pie is back in the majors as a platoon player. I’d like to see PIe get the at bats, give Edmonds a chance to prove he still has some gas in tank and we run away with the division:)
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by mkcubs21 on
May 15, 2008 7:41 AM CDT
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why?
why would we bat edmonds fifth and not soto? has soto not shown that he takes walks and should be a table setter for a guy like edmonds, who is normally swing and a miss, or swing and hit it a long way?
if lou bats edmonds fifth, and soto sixth, lou is proving once again he is clueless when it comes to filling out a lineup card.
"Anytime I want to throw 95 or 96 (m.p.h.), I can throw it. But it's not how hard you throw in the big leagues. It's how you locate your pitches and learn to pitch the game." - If Zambrano has truly figured out how to pitch, look out.
by kylejo on
May 15, 2008 8:03 AM CDT
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Undercover Angel
[ heh heh… now you’ve got a real crappy sappy song running through your head, don’t you… ;-) ]
Don’t forget Angel Pagan.
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by ballhawk on May 14, 2008 11:51 PM CDT 0 recs
Jim Hickman
Put up some strong years, But my all time fave has to be, as mentioned above, Joe “tarzan” Walls.
No Edmonds please, LOU give peace a chance, and play Pie, Goodness Gracious
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by Grockcubs on May 15, 2008 6:39 AM CDT 0 recs
Edmonds officially on the Cubs roster
seems unreal.
I have tremendous mixed feelings about this. If he produces (as in hitting .270, 20 HR) then it might not be a bad signing. However he could really tank and fall hard, leaving Pie with no more options. This isn’t a no-risk move, but it won’t have that many downsides if he can produce..
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by Chanman25 on May 15, 2008 6:48 AM CDT 0 recs
The lineup
Here we go again. Let’s replace Theriot at #2 with Fukudome because he gets on base much more often.
Fact: Theriot OBP is .418. Fukudome OBP is .419. People, look at what the numbers tell us. Theriot is doing a great job batting #2 and Fukudome is great as #5. We’re scoring more runs than anyone in baseball. Why on earth would anyone want to tinker with something that has been beyond everyone’s wildest dreams? It ain’t broke. There’s nothing to fix.
As for Edmonds. He’s hit .151 the past 30 days. He looked done last year when we saw him. I’ll keep an open mind, but I’ll be shocked if he brings anything to the table for us.
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by tharr on May 15, 2008 7:05 AM CDT 0 recs
so what's the lineup?
Soriano LF
Fukudome RF
Lee 1b
Edmonds CF
Ramirez 3b
Soto C
DeRosa 2b
Theriot SS
Or will Edmonds hit much lower in the order? Wasn’t our intentions to sign a CF LH batter to bat inbetween Ramirez and Lee?
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by Chanman25 on May 15, 2008 7:12 AM CDT 0 recs
goodness
the thought of moving soto down that far in the order makes me want to throw up.
"Anytime I want to throw 95 or 96 (m.p.h.), I can throw it. But it's not how hard you throw in the big leagues. It's how you locate your pitches and learn to pitch the game." - If Zambrano has truly figured out how to pitch, look out.
by kylejo on
May 15, 2008 8:04 AM CDT
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"Down that far"?
Let’s see. Soto batted sixth last night. He’s sixth in that lineup. Where is the difference?
Also, I don’t see Edmonds hitting ahead of Ramirez. He’ll likely hit fifth.
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by Al on
May 15, 2008 8:28 AM CDT
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Agreed...
let’s hope he can do something.
With regard to the debate about moving Fukudome to the #2 spot:
Currently, Theriot and Fukudome have a virtually identical OBP. That would indicate that Lee and Ramirez have not suffered due to a lack of an OBP machine in the #2 spot so far this year. However, I don’t expect Theriot to continue to maintain a high OBP. I suspect Fukudome will be the better OBP guy, and thus make a better #2 hitter.
That said, this all depends on Edmonds providing any value in the #5 spot. If he continues to be atrocious, then the lineup adjustment is a negative one.
by SouthernCub on
May 15, 2008 8:45 AM CDT
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down that far
as in, the lineup posted by Chanman. and it still makes very little sense to bat edmonds higher than soto.
"Anytime I want to throw 95 or 96 (m.p.h.), I can throw it. But it's not how hard you throw in the big leagues. It's how you locate your pitches and learn to pitch the game." - If Zambrano has truly figured out how to pitch, look out.
by kylejo on
May 15, 2008 9:00 AM CDT
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haha
as in, i didnt actually count out the order of the lineup and assumed he was further down.
"Anytime I want to throw 95 or 96 (m.p.h.), I can throw it. But it's not how hard you throw in the big leagues. It's how you locate your pitches and learn to pitch the game." - If Zambrano has truly figured out how to pitch, look out.
by kylejo on
May 15, 2008 9:02 AM CDT
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Ivy, good to see the pic
Looks like you’re enjoying Colorado, even if it is a forced exile.
Take note, folks, for all the flack Ivy Walls gets sometimes for his long posts, he at least puts his real picture on the site.
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by zambranofan on May 15, 2008 7:15 AM CDT 0 recs
Thanks....I like the background best....and yes it is a medical exile
Don’t any of you become exposed to that nasty black mold in a sick building. You end up really screwing up your immune system and becoming pan-allergenic and permanently reactionary to mold. My joke is that the reason they have wild fires out here is that there is no mold to make great soil, the stuff just dries up and becomes an accelerate—-trouble is you can’t grow anything either.
This turned out to be an informative and funny string to distract the angry mob about Edmunds. The moral of this post is Edmunds is merely fleeting…just wait a few months and I promise you he will be on the pile of CF memories. Actually when you look at it all if you could get Pierre for a reasonable price he would look pretty good there even with his “weak sister arm strength”, he is left handed, could bat second and at least ably catch the ball while running the bases. But he is far too expensive.
Now as for Pie (and Cedeno and also Hill), there are few genuine CF’ers out there, funny thing is two LA teams have two each under big contracts, actually LAA has three. Seattle has a RF’er playing CF. All in all there is but a handful, and less who bat left handed. SS is another concern as are left handed starters. Developing players so they can play at a MLB level every time out is tough—-more mentally and in the team concept and why teams like veterans. Young players have to overwhelm the league with talent to stick, and Pie has not. Cedeno appears to be on the cusp but Theriot is saying no everyday.
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by Ivy Walls on
May 15, 2008 9:01 AM CDT
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Edmonds
should hit 8th until he shows he’s more than a .178 hitter.
Soriano should hit 5th. Period.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on May 15, 2008 8:40 AM CDT 0 recs
yep
derosa can get on base in front of him. prove yourself edmonds. this “veteran treatment” is counterproductive.
"Anytime I want to throw 95 or 96 (m.p.h.), I can throw it. But it's not how hard you throw in the big leagues. It's how you locate your pitches and learn to pitch the game." - If Zambrano has truly figured out how to pitch, look out.
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what are you talking about counter productive
Do you know the first order of business is to welcome an established and accomplished player (even if he is on his last legs) to the team. Counter productive is treating him like a rookie. Edmunds and the Cubs chose each other….choosing is a big deal.
Now after things get settled he will find his level and if he is productive you will nash your teeth and forget what you said and cheer his accomplishments and contributions while strongly bemoaning his shortcomings.
If he sucks…..he will be cut a check for the remainder of his $284K and retire.
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by Ivy Walls on
May 15, 2008 9:08 AM CDT
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if you want to win the game
put the best possible lineup on the field. thats all that matters, edmonds isnt going to feel sorry for himself and go 0-4 with four k’s just because his feelings are hurt hitting 8th. he has enough inentive to play well, and batting him 8th would hopefully just light a fire under his ass to prove himself. the guy will hit .250, k a bunch and have some good at bats. the exact same thing youd get from pie at the plate.
"Anytime I want to throw 95 or 96 (m.p.h.), I can throw it. But it's not how hard you throw in the big leagues. It's how you locate your pitches and learn to pitch the game." - If Zambrano has truly figured out how to pitch, look out.
by kylejo on
May 15, 2008 6:51 PM CDT
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Totally agree
He is replacing an 8 hitter put him there. I dont mess with the top 7 right now AT ALL.
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by Hammer on
May 15, 2008 9:21 AM CDT
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Agreed
Mr. Towers, tear down this wall (er, I mean give us back Greg Maddux) !
by MDBNIU on
May 15, 2008 9:45 AM CDT
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I'll guess the lineup will be this....
1. Soriano
2. Theriot
3. Lee
4. Ramirez
5. Kosuke
6. Soto
7. Edmonds (CF) or DeRosa (2nd)
8. DeRosa (2nd) or Johnson (CF)
9.
Mr. Towers, tear down this wall (er, I mean give us back Greg Maddux) !
by MDBNIU on May 15, 2008 9:44 AM CDT 0 recs
Edmonds isn't going to start as much as people thinnk...
I doubt we see a straight platoon. Reed Johnson is still going to see a lot of playing time, to include against RHP.
Mr. Towers, tear down this wall (er, I mean give us back Greg Maddux) !
by MDBNIU on May 15, 2008 9:46 AM CDT 0 recs
actually I think Lou plays hot hands and good matchups
One thing is it appears that Edmund’s is tardy on fireballer…so don’t play him against might FB’ers but those who throw soft….by all means.
Second will be not to wear him down for this acquisition is as much about September and October as it is to solve the situation in that it improves the bench and allows the coaches to coach the game and not try to bring along a player who is not ready yet.
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by Ivy Walls on
May 15, 2008 9:55 AM CDT
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Never gonna happen
but the lineup I want is:
Fukudome
Lee
Soto
Ramirez
Soriano
DeRosa
Theriot
Johnson
with Edmonds between Soriano and DeRosa when he plays.
by californiachicagoan on May 15, 2008 4:40 PM CDT 0 recs














