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Which matters most? The name on the front.......

........of the jersey or the name on the back. That statement was made by Mike Golic this morning on his radio show.

When all of a sudden a fan is challenged to root for someone they've disliked intensely for years, and at the expense of a touted prospect, it can be a little bewildering.

But as Lou Gramm from Foreigner once sang, "The damage is done". In my view, we all need to hope that he is a thoroughbred champion who has another rally left in his career. That he is someone who will rise up to the challenge of winning over Cub fans and in bringing home the prize.

I think it wise to at least be open minded; once the shock wears off.  :c-)

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i hated this guy

as much as anyone, mostly when he was with the Cardinals, and had a mild dislike for him even when he was in LA.

But now that he’s a Cubby, I’ll be pulling for him as much as any of the other 24 guys.

I don’t expect him to get the Nomar treatment, but it would be appropriate if Cubs fans showed a little respect for him today.

"I don't want to be a product of my environment. I want my environment to be a product of me." Frank Costello

by kalamazoo_cubs_fan on May 15, 2008 8:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Cause he strikes me as a real respectful man himself?

I certainly want the Cubbies to win with his help or not but I don’t owe this guy anything. Best way to win me over (as if this matters to him) hit 1.000 the rest of the season and win a WS. Then we can talk about respect.

Calm down.

by Kinky Reggae on May 15, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

We root for laundry...

That’s the way it is these days. The fact that he was a Cardinal is irrelevant to me. Hopefully he has something left in the bottom of the tank. I doubt it, but hopefully I’m wrong.

by SouthernCub on May 15, 2008 8:40 AM CDT reply actions  

What's interesting is...

... when he was traded from the Angels to the Cardinals in 2000, quite a number of people I knew wanted the Cubs to go after him. The Angels got Kent Bottenfield and Adam Kennedy. Kennedy at the time was a top infield prospect, and Bottenfield - who pitched two years for the Cubs, 1996 and 1997 - had just finished an 18-7 year with St. Louis, a 30-year-old pitcher who had just made the All-Star team.

Edmonds, meanwhile, had spent half of 1999 on the DL. At the time it looked like a steal for the Angels.

Obviously, it wasn’t. Bottenfield flopped and Kennedy, though decent, never produced for the Angels anything close to what Edmonds did for St. Louis.

Most of us don’t like Edmonds. I personally think he has nothing left, and if he starts off poorly, he will get booed to the level of Todd Hundley or LaTroy Hawkins.

However, if Hendry and Piniella are right and Edmonds suddenly starts hitting again, I’ll be very happy.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 15, 2008 8:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Adam Kennedy
Kennedy, though decent, never produced for the Angels anything close to what Edmonds did for St. Louis.

Except for Game Five of the 2002 ALCS, of course.

It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.

by Josh Timmers on May 15, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, true.

But overall, his career has just been OK, not great.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 15, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

plus

the cards have kennedy now again

"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto

by CubbyBlues on May 15, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

As soon as he puts on those pinstripes

He is a Cub and I will support him, I will be working the game today so it will be interesting to see how the crowd reacts. I for one hope that Hendry saw something that no one else did and edmonds has a great season with us

"We Are Not Fair Weather But Foul Weather Fans, Brothers In Arms In Streets and The Stands." -Eddie Vedder, Someday We'll Go All The Way

by ryanbrixenivy on May 15, 2008 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

So you won't support him

When if the Cubs wear the alternate blue tops today?

It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.

by Josh Timmers on May 15, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Cubs don’t usually wear the blue tops unless Z is pitching (exception, the Sunday night game in St. Louis).

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 15, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good to know

Mike Golic still has all his clichés memorized.

This diary is shocking. I had no clue people actually quoted Foreigner.

It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.

by Josh Timmers on May 15, 2008 8:59 AM CDT reply actions  

You're giving Golic too much credit

They’ve probably got cue cards or a cheat sheet on the desk for him

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan

by snley on May 15, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Foreigner...

I made the suspect fit the evidence in this case Josh….once he was signed, the debate no longer mattered and “the damage was done”. Then, the lyric came to mind. Would it have been better had I quoted Churchhill? “Never, Never, Never, give up.” Or maybe Dr. Henry Lee at the OJ Trial…..”something wrong here.” How about Bill Clinton..”step into my office and we’ll talk about the first thing that comes up.”

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 15, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually Doc Holliday/Val kilmer would have been better

“I’ve not yet begun to defile myself.”

BBWAA's name should be changed to "Power in the hands of Fools"

by cubfever7 on May 15, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

But I’m hot-blooded. Check it and see. I’ve got a fever of a hundred and three.

It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8 lbs. 1 oz.

by Josh Timmers on May 15, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Personally...

...I’m standing in the rain, my head hung low. I couldn’t get a ticket. It was a sold out show.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by daver on May 15, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Golic

sucks, but I like Mike Greenberg.

Soriano should hit 5th. Period.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on May 15, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's going to be tough

seeing as how I spent the better part of the past 5 years wanting to see someone put one in his ear, but he is a Cub now and because of that I will be hoping that he does well, if anything else simply because him doing well for the Cubs would really mess with Cardinals fans.

---AC 00 00 00 - Believe

by mjk83 on May 15, 2008 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Cheering for laundry...

Obviously we can love/dislike some Cubs more than others, but it’s always hard when someone you despise puts on the blue pinstripes.

Aside from this Edmonds debacle, my least favorite Cub was George Bell – hated that guy when he was in Toronto. However, they did get Slammy for him from the White Sux!

Soriano should hit 5th. Period.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on May 15, 2008 9:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Honestly, what choice do we have but to "root for the laundry"?

We are Cubs fans. Are we supposed to root for every single player who has ever worn the uniform even when he leaves?

I’m not an Edmonds fan, but now that he is a Cub, I want him to do well. I don’t expect him to do well, but it’ll help the team if he does.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 15, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Golic is an idiot and Greenie is a sissy

but besides that, there’s one guy who said this during a certain HoF speech just three years ago. I’ll copy that here now. I don’t believe an introduction is necessary…

“Make a great play? Act like you’ve done it before. Get a big hit? Look for the third base coach and get ready to run the bases. Hit a home run? Put your head down, drop the bat, run around the bases. Because the name on the front is a lot more important than the name on the back. That’s respect.”

...but I should anyway: RYNE SANDBERG – Cooperstown, NY – 31 July 2005

by blackhawk24 on May 15, 2008 9:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Greenberg is a sissy... but that is what I like about him.

They are an odd combo… but they are better then most of the other guys on ESPN radio

by Madison Cub Fan on May 15, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Five Stages of Grief

1. Denial and Isolation. “Jim Edmonds is not now, nor ever will be, a Chicago Cub. Leave me alone. No, seriously, leave me alone!”

2. Anger. “Freakin’ Jim Edmonds?! Really?! REALLY?!”

3. Bargaining. “OK, look, maybe he’s got something left in the tank. He is a left-handed slugger. And he’s hit a lot of home runs at Wrigley. Maybe he can drive in some runs at key points in games and…and…(Daver deteriorates into deranged, cackling laughter)...”

4. Depression. “But, seriously, Jim Edmonds? That smug Cardinals guy? Oh, man…I just can’t go there. Poor Felix. He seemed so happy.”

5. Acceptance. “Jim Edmonds is a Chicago Cub.”

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by daver on May 15, 2008 9:55 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Future Prediction!

“Jim Edmonds was released by the Cubs today after going 2-for-35 in his first eight games.”

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on May 15, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I should check into whether there are five stages of relief and happiness.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by daver on May 15, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Revisit stage 2:

JIM EDMONDS GOT 35 AT BATS?????????

"This is the kind of thing … that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose." Marty Brennaman

by Bildo1805 on May 15, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

7

With 7 men left on base in his first game…I really don’t know if he’ll get 35 at bats. This sucks, Cardinals fans are laughing at us.

by BigFuko on May 15, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice one!

That’s funny and just what I needed while I struggle to get past Step 2.

by Mike Vails Evil Twin on May 15, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think I'm at Stage 3 right now.

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by daver on May 15, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Meh is my response

I sincerely doubt this will make a dent anyway, just like the Craig Monroe deal last year. I just think its poor managment as far as Pie is concerned; they might as well get rid of hiim now.

The team leads the league in runs scored, theyre way over .500, so what would be the harm in letting Pie hit eighth for the rest of the year? I seem to remember Dustin Pedroia struggling mightily last year around this time, and he turned out fine.

Jimbo needs to heed the advice of Axl Rose…just a little patience.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on May 15, 2008 10:15 AM CDT reply actions  

Nice G'n'R reference!!!

So nobody has to see the scroll bar on my posts!!!!

by McRipper on May 15, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

He also needs to lay off the Night Train...nudge, nudge.

(JOKE!)

Nanika Ga Okoru!

Oh, and remember, folks: Alfonso Soriano is NOT batting leadoff. He's batting first.

by daver on May 15, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

YES!!!

One of the more underrated songs of all time. That song kicks ass.

So nobody has to see the scroll bar on my posts!!!!

by McRipper on May 15, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

D-Lee

D-Lee played for that team below Georgia in 2003. We absolutely love him now as a Cub.

by memphiscub on May 15, 2008 10:20 AM CDT reply actions  

The Marlins aren't the Cardinals

I won’t cheer for Edmonds. Won’t boo him either. Just pretend it’s all a bad dream until they release him. It’s a poor signing and a waste of resources. No sense in getting worked up about it either way.

As for the cardinals fans moaning – Jim McMahon played for the packers once and chicago still claims him. Same thing’ll happen with Edmonds and St. Louis. Unless he really is the selfish, resentful jerk many think he is. Then it’s probalby good riddance.

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by Gibbon Jockey on May 15, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dugg for the "Foreigner" reference

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by dtpollitt on May 15, 2008 11:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Panic, fear, anger...

The 2-35 is silly and represents about 8 games, and besides who gives a rats ass if redbird fans are laughing. Their team should be as well-positioned as the Cubs are for the division.

Besides I’ve said since the story broke Edmonds is a stop-gap until they figure out what they can do with Felix. If they catch lightning in a bottle (unlikely but not impossible) who knows, otherwise I don’t think Felix being back by mid-late June is out of the question.

Now…..if Felix’ development regresses or he simply doesn’t improve enough and Edmonds is servicable enough, who knows what’ll happen to Felix.

by blackhawk24 on May 15, 2008 8:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Edmonds got one of the 2 today, LOL!

But seriously it isn’t a big deal and i agree with your post. This team could have kept going with Pie on the roster but they are taking a zero risk gamble that either Edmonds can still hit some and field some at a level that’s somewhat better than Pie, which doesn’t ask for much, until Pie can get something together to warrant a return.

Pie probably wasn’t going to improve on the bench. Edmonds is a known and aging player—he’s old.

I enjoyed watching Edmonds play when he was younger and good. Anyone who can piss off Zambrano is okay with me. (I am a fan of Zambrano the productive pitcher, not Big Z the screaming jackass who can’t take his own medicine.)

by DudeVf11 on May 16, 2008 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hate A-Rod...

But I’d really love to have him on the Cubs.

by wrigleyrocker12 on May 15, 2008 9:00 PM CDT reply actions  

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